I'm glad he's alive, I still hope he's the one to kill English.

I love them scotty dogs :3

Didn't Hussie say that he's not going to directly affect the story beyond that yellow yard junk?

So....Andrew Hussie is dressed as Fanart UU?

>>62961
Yeah, but Hussie's a lying monster with no human soul

>>62956
Pretty sure he's only permitted to live because one way or another he's out of the story. Kind of like Ms. Paint!

>>62964
Yeah. He's "alive" here but only because he's permadead in the actual story.

>>62965
It could be somehow related to the Alpha Jack Noir sleeping right now.
As in, this is the dream he has when he sleeps. Being babyfed by a strange man in a troll costume.
I might have meant to say nightmare.

>>62967
So Alpha Jack Noir's dreamself is.... Alpha Jack Noir?!?!

>>62968
No, no. Alpha Jack Noir is the Jack Noir that was clocked by the White Queen in Jane's session. The Jack Noir that's being taken care of seems to be the Jack Noir that blew up Snowman's troll universe heart thing.
So Alpha Jack Noir would be dreaming about Spades Slick, I guess? And Bec Noir is flying through sessions.
Basically, we've seen three iterations of Jack Noir and I don't think a single one of them have died yet.

>>62969

Is it safe to assume Hussie likes Jack too much to ever kill him off?

>>62970
He was originally going to be the next main character.

Of course Hussie fuckin' loves him.

>>62970
I dunno... Hussie really loves killing characters off.

Hussie's love is being torn two ways!! Oh noes! Which will prevail!

>>62969
The troll session was also an alpha session.

Explain that, atheists.

>>62970
Eh, he has spare ones.

Aw Shit

I guess we can add Hussiebot and Ms. Paint to the dead character pile.

Is Hussie really making those self inserts part of the plot?

WELL SHIT

Oh don't you motherfucking DARE.

>>62977

He already did.

If Ms. Paint dies, I'm out for good.

>>62977
I'm interpreting metaworld shenanigans as metaworld shenanigans. i.e. this is all just goofing around until we see it mess with the room John and Jade are in.

MS PAINT NOOOOOOOOO

>>62982
Oh shit, LE actually can mess with John and Jade while they are crossing between windows. What's happening right now with Ms Paint and Andrew is completely inconsequential because they are essentially non-characters, but if he is in the same realm as the windows then...

OH NO! POOR MS. PAINT IS TOO FROZEN IN FEAR TO RUN!

>>62978
don't you touch her you son of a bitch she is purer than anything you'll ever know-

Oh shit. This is what white knights feels like. ):

NO NO NO NONONONONOnononononononononohgod

Hey guys, maybe it won't be so bad. Maybe, he'll just take them prisoner and hijack the comic like Scratch would have. I kind of want to hear what this guy has to say already. He's only spoken like once.

>>62978
I can't get over how silly his stance is. It's like he's straddling an invisible horse.

Oh LE, how i love your design, even if it looks kinda silly right now.
>>62984
Hussie said their traveling is only like, 3 milliseconds in his time. That seems to imply that, from the time Hussie put the coat over the fourth walls to now, they probably passed through. It seems unlikely that LE will be able to do much to them, or that he'd even care to right now.

>>62989
He's a huge guy staring down a tiny woman. His wide stance is to accommodate the fact that he's leaning forward.

Ms.paint becomes English's new harbringer of doom.

guys, guys relax

she's the title character

>>62995
She is. And LE is taking over Homestuck. Ms. Paint is doomed.

>>62996

LEadventures.com somehow seems not as good a name. They better not cave to these British influences and change the name just because some large angry green man told them to.

>>62998
Sounds more French to me personally.

>>62998
Hussie confirmed for selling out to the Reddit audience.

>>62990
>It seems unlikely that LE will be able to do much to them

Well, he DOES have the ability to make time itself his bitch, so there's that.

What.
The.
Fuck.


That's all I have to say on the matter, really.

Ms Paint cancels Feed Injured Carapace: Interrupted by Time Demon Pimp

Brace yourselves guys, this comic is about to get-
>>DEEP

Woah woah woah, back the fuck up.
LE vs Hussie would be one hell of an epic show down.

>>63005
John and Rose vs. Jack would have been, too, but it wasn't.
Probably other instances, too.
Given an opportunity, Hussie will always choose "joke" over "epic showdown". And given that his in-comic avatar has, to this point, done nothing but make jokes . . .

(ok except that one time that it actually affected the story, but that was fucking hilarious anyway)

>>63005
>Hussie
>good in making fight scenes

HAHAHAHAHA, good joke.

I don't think this is going to be epic. I don't think it's going to be a joke. I think it's going to be short and brutal and no fight at all.

I think Lord English is going to kill Hussie's avatar and we won't have a narrator any more. He's going to use brute force to change the very structure of the narrative.

>>62990
the problem with this is that he's carrying the head of hussie's robot. if the obvious implication (he killed it) is true, then...
1) he can move at the same speed as hussie's robot, i.e. fast enough to affect the boat before it makes it to B2
2) he met hussie's robot, which means he might very well have already been in the room where all that nonsense is happening

so while nothing lord english does from now on is likely to affect john and jade's transit, there's a real worry that something has already happened.

MS paint memorial thread soon

>>63008
That'd be, like, so meta.

>>63021
Too meta to be practical. I doubt it.

Here we go again.

Yeah this is without a doubt the single most pointless stable time loop in Homestuck so far, and that's including the "friendship is not an emotion" one.

God I missed those memos.

I used to really like Karkat but I find it hard to read convos with him and unbearable to read memos when he talks to him self. Hope this goes somewhere else fast.

Oh come on Hussie, now you're just mocking us. You could have had Karkat vent his feelings regarding Rose and Dave without creating a ten minute time loop. >:/

As obnoxious as these memos are, I have to say: It's about time. Everyone knew Karkat's blood color and didn't really give a shit. It makes sense that he'd eventually stop typing in gray.

>>63027
But that means he noow types in the same colour as Dave.

And really, why DOES he need to type in his blood colour?

Actually, it's a different shade of red from Dave.

karkat's red is pure #ff0000, while dave and autoresponder are #e00707.

Pssht, I'm more worried for LE than MS.P

>>59790

>>Prospit dames take shit from no one.

This is going to end in a whole lot of telling instead of showing, isn't it?

But then again what timeskip doesn't.

>>63044
'Cept Hussie doesn't need the excuse of a timeskip to tell instead of show.

>>63047
He needed some way to age the characters.

>>63055
I may have phrased it in a confusing way.

I was saying even when not in a year/s long timeskip Hussie has often had the character mention in passing something notable having happened without actually showing it.

>>63047
Can you really fault Hussie for not SDTing absolutely everything when there's so much stuff happening?

I mean let's take one really specific example. How about.... Die's voodoo doll. Hussie tells us "you're gonna jump to a timeline where he's dead." Okay. How much does that actually tell us, as opposed to what we're shown? We already saw Die use his power a bit earlier, and we already knew that he jumped from a place/time where Itchy was alive to a place/time where he was dead. So the only thing it's really telling us is that he wasn't arriving from the past or the future. That would have taken fucking forever to show. Like, you could dedicate a story arc the entire length of the intermission to showing just that and not much else. It would just be a huge waste of time HAR HAR HAR.

How about the stuff we were shown? Let's see. Inserting and removing pins triggers the time jumps. Each pin corresponds to a character. Timeline selection is predicated on the deaths of the characters whose pins are inserted. We learned this stuff by observing how Die used the doll before Slick killed him. It didn't actually get explained. Every time the rules were mentioned thereafter, it was in a way that assumed the reader already understood more or less how it worked.

A ton of other stuff has gone down exactly the same way. A lot more stuff has never been explained at all. What the fuck are fraymotifs? We've never been explicitly told, but we saw a couple in action. Is that enough showing? How much is enough, anyway? Does it have to be 100%? Is it just not permissible to have any telling at all?

>>What the fuck are fraymotifs?

Special moves in the game, what the hell aren't you grasping about them?

>yfw this is all in preparation for UU/uu and Karkat talking, so we don't have walls and walls of varying degrees of gray, like in the past.

Haaaa, Karkat, how I have missed your memos!

>>63077
He knows that, you idiot. He says as much in the very post you're quoting. His point is that it's never actually said, but only shown.

>>63077
>>63080
Admittedly there's a big difference between never outright explaining something but still making it clear what happened and how it works, thanks to a general assumption of intelligence and knowledge of basic video game tropes on the part of the reader (such as in the case of fraymotifs) and "Ha ha, man remember when X happened that was crazy too bad it'll never be explicitly depicted onscreen".


That being said, I think that we can assume that the kids/trolls roadtrip through the hell dimension is shaping up to more or less lack offscreen character development and be more like the Homestuck sitcom in space we'll never see.

>The Switch
>Good Luck Chuck
>My Best Friend's Girl
>All movies about the protagonist losing the girl he loves to another guy
Karkat...

>>63082
Huh, Karkat losing Terezi to Dave or something? Ugh not the kind of drama I enjoy.

Also Terran/Xenos relations are wrong and heretical.

>>63083
I would've found it hilarious, personally.

>>63083
>Huh, Karkat losing Terezi to Dave or something? Ugh not the kind of drama I enjoy.
Less that and more him worrying that he'll lose her.

Well, people have been theorizing from early Act 5 that Karkat and Terezi would wind up living out the typical flirtation-conflict-happy end (or something like that) plot arc that tends to feature in his favorite genre. So maybe this is all part of that narrative obstacle in the middle - which, as >>63085 notes, hasn't really been directly dealt with yet.

>>63082
Also, I think those all end with the protagonist getting back together with her. Then again, sometimes the protagonist was actually the "other guy" in the first place?????? And it would be weird if Dave were in the Dane Cook position considering his blog posts.

So now I'm confused. And everything is as it should be.

Personally I can't wait to see what happens in the dream bubble they're about to pass through. It would be a little lame if it were the same trip we already saw Roxy take, but I'm probably saying that because I don't know what everyone else could have been talking about. Probably interesting things we'll never hear. ):

Oh, but wait, Roxy's dream trip was when everyone else who's alive (or at least Rose) were asleep. Maybe it will be a different bubble? Or maybe they'll be there in dreams as well as physically like the kind of weird time stuff that's supposed to happen in the Furthest Ring.

>>63085
I guess it's worth noting that when people are overly anxious about their girlfriend breaking up with them and moving onto this one other guy, she often does. Not because anything you believed she may be thinking behind your back was initially true, but because having to deal with crippling insecurity, mistrust and undue jealousy is annoying as fuck to deal with on a constant basis.

If that's what's happening here, I love you Karkat, but this was totally your fault dude. Like 100% totally your fault and I'm not feeling for you at all here.

>>63081
The first is "show don't tell", the second is a noodle incident. They're basically complete opposite.

Sweet.

Lifey Thing Confirmed for Heals++
Feferi's Lifey Thing is her blood color, not light blue like Jane's. Maybe specific powers aren't tied so strongly to the aspect colors?

What does this MEAN?

>>63094
it means that some aesthetics of god tier powers are tied to a player's personal mythos. jane's color is blue, and feferi's is amaranth, so their powers are colored accordingly.

it's like aradia's ghost zero wings, or vriska's 7+1 pip wings.

A Fef back in the comic? Is this like an early birthday present?!? More of the best troll hussie plz.

Eridan looks like a duck.

Yay WV! I am so happy about it.

>>63098
Took me a moment to realize this was a flashback. For a second there I thought everyone had just let him bleed on the ground for a year.

I am not smart.

Anyway, is anyone else looking forward to the possibility of WV having spoken (well, probably typed) dialogue? I'm really interested in seeing if he actually has conversations with the other characters.

>>63097
haha
i know right

>>63100
>Anyway, is anyone else looking forward to the possibility of WV having spoken (well, probably typed) dialogue?
Yes, oh yes.

Eridan's nun-duck-foofy-pants-combo god tier is the best god tier

Wait, the dream bubbles can actually affect real world, and anything can appear in them, thanks to the doomed timelines? Doesn't that basically render all death and failure irrelevant, since Hussie can pull anything he wants out of there?

>>63103
Even better than CANON?

>>63104
Basically, they don't even need Dragonballs/Life players.

>>63104
They can't leave the dream bubbles. They are prisoners in the dream bubbles except Sollux who's a half-ghost.

>>63104
The Furthest Ring has certain traits that limit its effectiveness as an emergency response to death and failure:
1) Dreaming ghosts probably can't leave the bubbles.
2) It is almost impossible to find one's way to a particular destination.

So while these rest stops offer our heroes some insurance on their way to the B2 session, they're not a thing they'll be able to double back and exploit once they arrive.

>>63104
Isn't that exactly what Karkat was talking about?

>>63104
>>63109
>>63110

Exactly. Recall that Rose was able to select THE most fortuitous path for them not only to reach their destination but to complete all their objectives, including getting there safe with hopefully (haha Eridan) as many advantages as possible. Not a guarantee or free pass to anything by any means, mind you. They don't get infinite help and they only have one shot, but it is the Seer's job to thread the eye of the needle.

What I'm honestly interested in seeing right now is what a fully realized Prince of Hope and Witch of Life can do, and what that illuminates about the Prince and Witch classes, as well as the Hope and Life aspects. How does a Maid differ from a Witch? What exactly is in the domain of Life versus Doom? What does Hope even represent as an aspect? What are the limits on how loosely the Prince title interprets "one who destroys x, or caUses destrUction throUgh x,"?

I'm just a terrible metagamer and will now stop typing questions and instead begin patiently waiting to (hopefully (Eridan haha)) get the answers as we go.

>CCG: IF WE ARE TO TAKE SOME LESSON FROM THAT, WHAT IS IT!
>CCG: "TRY TO BE GREAT AND SUCCESSFUL, BUT MAYBE NOT TOOOO GREAT AND SUCCESSFUL?"
>CCG: OR MAYBE DON'T TRY AT ALL IN SOME CASES! BECAUSE IF YOU DO, SOME GIANT FUCKING SQUID IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE IS GOING TO BE LIKE, NOT SO FAST, MY HIDEOUS MONSTER PLANS BEG TO DIFFER.
>CCG: DON'T YOU THINK WE'D HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF IF WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT ANY OF THIS DREAM BUBBLE SHIT?

This is one of the more messed up points in the story. Imagine an alternative timeline where the trolls played the game correctly, doing their sidequest, listening to the choice their Denizen tells them, not rushing the game, everyone getting godtier, making a healthy universe and leanring valuable lessons, only to find out that's not what the Elder Gods have planned in your fate.

>>63115
Yeah, but we've seen people can survive when not in the 'right' universe, its not a total death sentance like when you time travel without looping is it?
...Unless they only survived long enough to cross over into the 'right' universe so they could play thier role?
This really is fucked up.

>>63117
I could see why Karkat's bitching to himself. He should talk to Rose about it or something.

>>63115
>making a healthy universe

I doubt Paradox Space allowed them to get that far, or the tadpole universe died at some point.

Great to see Feferi again, but wow that is the worst color combo ever.

So now that he's addressed the issue, will Hussie actually DO something about death being meaningless, or is he just typing all this because he thinks it'll make people shut up? Calling one's self out like this is pointless unless you intend to try to change.