What the shit?

>While the patterned purple mom-gooey scarf is pretty slick, is it from the Alpha or Beta Rose?

Pretty obviously from Alpaca Rose, I think. Beta Rose's scarf was solid pink, and we saw it get all the way to Beta Mom, to be taken and then discarded by Bec Noir after her death. Also, we've seen how much energy it takes to send or receive things beyond the scratch; this scarf didn't take so much energy.

>Next page
>SPLAT
>EOA6 prt 2

>>62457
>Alpaca Rose
Someone draw this.

Oh god, please let this mean Fluthlu is happening.

I wonder what Roxy will meet first out there in the void.

Characters in the dreambubbles? The horrorterrors?

Maybe she'll get splattered by the meteor carrying the lab. That would cause some fun reactions from the characters on it.

>>62459
Yeah, okay, this is a fitting punishment for someone who can't spell Alpha and doesn't have the luxury of blaming it on a spell checker.

I guess we have to get the dead kid count up to 4 somehow.

>>62460
HOSHIT

>>62461
>>62464
>>62463
Maybe the rest of Act 6 will be the r-kids getting killed off in more and more ridiculous and unpredictably tragic ways.

>trapped in a void.
MY GREATEST FEAR.

Well, if anyone's going to get trapped in a void, I'd imagine at least the Rogue of Void's got a fighting chance.

>>62469
Her dreamself can help her out.

why does everyone think she is going to die? she might just get stuck there.

>>62471
Maybe because in Problem Sleuth, being on the wrong side of the window when it was unpowered was not good. (Unless you're talking about people who think she's going to get bisected somehow, in which case I don't know.)

Dear GCat.

You are an asshole.

>>62355
Can't unsee that now.

In other news, the music contest winners have finally been emailed.

I wonder who won.

>>62478
Oh man, I hope the winning songs are good. I haven't been super thrilled with the last few albums... I feel bad about that, though, uh.

>>62478
I hope this person was one of the winners:
http://hscontestcatalog.tumblr.com/post/17120439693/wickedcadence-obviously-with-a-name-like

>>62480
Really? I thought Vol. 8 and Song of Skaia was pretty ace.

Well.

Now we know what being Voidstuck is like.

that is the most ridiculous haircut

I mean srsly wtf

>>62485
f yeah, more seadwellers!

Personally, I am hoping for one hairstyle that is held up with a tie of some sort. Preferably on a girl with long hair. That would totally make my day.

anyone else getting devil/hell vibes?

what the shit?

So I guess the void is just where you hang out after being killed sans dream bubbles/erased by time travel now?

welp

I assumed that this was another Dream Bubble, and "the void" is just the furthest ring? So Roxy just fell into a Dream Bubble when she missed the exit.

>>62485
Why do I feel like she'll challenge Roxy to a game of b-ball, 90's style.

>>62488
Damn, beat me to it.

why

why are we getting more trolls.
can we please have a new intermission so i can finally be excited to read homestuck again?

>>62494
So we can get back to TROLLS!

>>62494
>>62495
Hussie should switch it up and introduce new humans.

>fenestrated wall unplugged

Oh damn, GCat you done it now

>fall into void

Cool, I like where this is going, Horrorterrors time ahoy!

>land

Okay, no horrors, fine whatever, time for introspective void wandering I guess

>player silhoette

oh no

>zoom in like the author has done a million times already

no no no

>it's absolutely another troll, complete with bland personality and a weird hairstyle to draw in "punk" pariah fanbase
>awful costume design

NO NO NO NO NOOO

HUSSIE NO

I'm out, will check back in June. FUCK THIS SHIT.

>>62497
>judging the personality of a character who hasn't spoken yet
>assumes a character design is to draw in a new fanbase
Shit son, I ain't one for white-knighting, but do you even think about the words you make your fingers make before you hit that reply button.

Haha, punk-Condesece is great

Because it makes perfect sense.
The Empress is Feferi, and she rules with happiness and compassion.

So just how does a teenager rebel against happy and accepting parents?

"PUNK! YEAH! ROCK OUT!"

Its was either that or goth.

good lord this fandom is fast

So I guess this clears up that we are in fact seeing the ancestor-kids. Babby Mindfang, now babby Condesce.

Is it me or do these alpha/pre-scratch trolls all look a bit too Terezi?

>>62497
That's cool how you can judge personality based on literally nothing.

Mostly I'm hoping Roxy's non-rifle strife specibus will come in awesome handy right about now. After all, these kids are supposed to be no push-overs.

:(

>>62502
Hussie's just not that great at character design.

gasp, this is so suspenseful.

Man Fef looks so cool and this new chick looks lame and is mean :(

This is shameful to all us Pisces out there :(

>>62509
At least we're still in the story now.

At this rate the kids will never even make it in to the session.

I don't know how to feel about these Kid Ancestors. On the one hand it would be interesting to see how they were like, but on the other-hand they could really bog the story down in my opinion. I wouldn't have mind seeing them in a flashback that explained what happened to them by Kindfang, but to introduce all of them would take too much time.

>>62511

Jane was all ready to enter about 3 minutes of reading ago.

Huh. Guess we might be about to get an answer to the slightly weird question "What happens if you're physically in the dream bubbles and fall asleep/unconscious anyway?".

I like evil Feferi. She seems nice.

2/12 pre-scratch Ancestors reintroduced!
10 more to go! Woo!

>>62513
While that would be pretty cool, and I'm guessing that Roxy will just flip over to her dreamself which is probably still hanging elsewhere in the bubbles, I say we should have a bit more faith in Roxy's abilities. Though this pre-scratch Condesce (Punkdesce? terrible, nvmd) seems to be pretty slick herself, flash stepping everywhere.

Hey, why DOES she want to knock out Roxy? She obviously had the chance to poke her instead of choke her, but why bother? Sheer vindictiveness towards invaders of her bubble? Part of some scheme between her and GCat? What could she possibly gain from this action?

>>62509
I already like this character much more than Fef.

"Count woolbeasts, bitch!" hehehe, that's just priceless.
Also "hey, a strange an unknown creature, let's attack it!" type of reasoning makes a pretty entertaining character.

Please note : all trolls we've met were pumped up to the max by the remade universe to power through the game. Just like the teens/new kids.
Those old trolls are all the dead selves of players who failed the game.

>>62515
We're only seeing dead-selves of the old trolls. If they had activated the scratch, at least one of them had to be alive to do it. So there's probably less than 10 new trolls out there waiting to be sorta reintroduced.

>>62506
I like this new character's design. The long hair is ridiculous, she'd be walking all over it. But on the other hand if like Feferi she used to spend all of her time underwater, it wouldn't be as much of a problem.

>>62519
I'd say that depends on whether the people wiped out in the Scratch go to the bubbles or not. Or maybe that player started the Scratch, then died regularly to all the monsters before it was completed.

Ugh, I hate these situations where I have no idea what's going on.
Why did GCat do this?
What happens to a player whose physical body is trapped in a dream bubble?
What's up with kid!Condesce?
:/

moar hussie moar

>>62523

Dirk just needs to plug in the window and Roxy can leave/escape. Not sure what this glubby bitch is up to, though, and whether she's benign or not. Maybe this is just her way of saying )(I!

Which update had this?

>>62526
At the end of [S] Frigglish: Fast forward to Jaspersprite, click on the pink horseshoe that blinks in the bottom right corner.

So
Kid Condescence
Kid Mindfang
Who wants to bet UU is Kid Karkat with properly developed horns?

I think UU is actually a seperate troll who somehow led to being the reason the pre-scratch trolls failed, explaining why the auto win post scratch troll session didn't have her.

>>62529
But even the adult Sufferer didn't have propper horns

I think maybe she is a mutant ectoclone of karkat, kind of like mutie's relationship to jaspers, only her mutations made her into less of a mutant than her ectocester

and that is why she isn't a redblood freak with nubby-ass hornses

>>62530
I agree. She has already admitted to knowing a lot about the Teens' world, lives, personalities and future to the point of actually writing fanfiction about them. I'm thinking she might be a troll from the "new" session they all will enter ~*"afterwards"*~ (and let's face it, Kanaya repopulating that universe with trolls is gonna happen), which would explain how she knows so damn much about them all. She's probably just trying to insert herself into their story as the thirteenth troll, which is something writers of fanfiction are quite well-known for.

dont understand why people have to assume they're ancestors

i refuse to call them mindfang and condesce

theyre scorpio and pisces until hussie says otherwise

i aint making any presumptions here

>>62533
Weeell, they're trolls, they look 13, they're dead, they look a lot like the Ancestors and Scratch already told us about a bunch of dead 13 year old trolls who were the pre-Scratch equivalents/clones of the Ancestors. Seems like a reasonable assumption to me.
Except for UU, of course. I'm inclined to agree with the posts above yours for that one.

>Hussie saying this Act will be much shorter

Sure it will, pal. Sure it will.

>>62535
More recently, he said that it will probably still be shorter, but not much.

>>62535
Why would anyone be complaining?

>>62534
sure its a reasonable assumption

but i think ill stick to not assuming anything until its outright stated at which point i will happily accept this

but till then ill hold off on assuming

i mean i find theories fun and i think its the most likely theory!

but yes

>>62532

>future troll that guarantees the success of the session and serves as a plot catalyst to make sure they win/dump random bits of sburb information

What a horrible fucking character in retrospect. Christ.

>>62538

Shitty pacing?

>>62541
Im Relieved That We Have Not Met Such Characters Earlier In This Story
/sarcasm

Well, as somebody who has always been a big fan of the Condesce, I like this new reveal.

>>62537
where and when did he say that ?

>>62546
In this tumblr answer binge.
http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/14210746202/mad-answerins
>A6 will probably still be shorter than A5. But it could wind up being close.

Personally, I just feel it necessary to point out that Hussie is totally comparing the projected length of Homestuck to the length of The Lord of the Rings.
>"It's about 350K words. The LoTR series is almost 500K. Will probably be of similar length when done."

http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?45912-COMPLAININ-BOUT-HOMESTUCK-%28Hate-Through-the-Gate%29&p=6121519&viewfull=1#post6121519

>>62549

Fuck it, I'm out. "Just wanting to see the ending" isn't enough to put up with another act 5.

>>62551
Well, if your opinion on Act 5 as a whole is that you had to put up with it, then yeah sounds like it's a good idea for you to stop reading Homestuck.

a year and a half is a LONG TIME to put up with something and not quit it

>>62554
There's no telling when enough will be enough, but when you truly feel the need to stand up and walk away, it's hard to deny.

>>62555
Something like that happened to me with Naruto, I kept reading it LONG after it turned to shit.

Then one day something just broke and I was like "Thats it, I'm done"

>>62550
Considering that the words in Homestuck are almost all dialogue (which tends to be much more information-dense than narrative) and LotR was very dialogue-light, and that Homestuck establishes setting and quite a bit of action through visuals, it's not really a fair comparison.

There's a LOT more content in Homestuck than there is in Lord of the Rings. By the time it's done, there will probably be more than in even much more sprawling novel series - arguably more than in ANY single-narrative novel series. (I'm not counting novel-length serials that run for hundreds of books, but don't have a single narrative thread running through them.)

Whether you consider that a good or bad thing is, of course, up to you. ;)

Also, Hussie is totally cheating with the length of Act 6. Bet you dollars to cents he "won't count" the Intermissions when comparing it to Act 5.

>>62558
Cool. All Houmstaka is good houmstaka. Except parts with Eridan.

Guys.

It's March.

>>62561
obligatory abortedslunk march eridan is obligatory

>>62562
reported

>>62563
reported

>>62563
Posting march Eridan is against the rules?
Can't say I'm surprised. :U

>>62558
Seriously? The setting in homestuck isn't as complicated as you make it out to be. Where are you getting these great levels of complexity and detail from?

The shitstorm cometh

>>62558
Seriously? The setting in homestuck isn't as complicated as you make it out to be. Where are you getting these great levels of complexity and detail from?

Rufio's apparently caught up to Act 2.
>I’m Homestuck again.

Slightly related, some random person's liveblog of reading Homestuck. I sure do wish I could read it for the first time again... so much confusion and wonder...
http://readinghomestuck.tumblr.com/

Anyone else have links to people who recorded their homestucking process?

>>62568
Probably from paying attention to the narrative and the interactions between its 8 or 9 planes of existence, as well as within each plane of existence, that only sort of obey the laws of causality (and not double posting). Believe it or not, a lot of people would (and do) find it all a little confusing.

Give a little credit where credit is due. Figuring out where and when things in Homestuck are happening and how they affect other things is something of a tangled mess if you haven't been following carefully from the beginning and have yet to wear out ALL of your good note taking pens. Some of us can remember everything without having to "study" the material more than once, but that's fairly rare among the fandom, much less the general population.

tumut

^^^ Best face

Looks like UU is a two man show. Is that really her brother or will it turn out to be Schizophrenia.

Now what's all this nonsense.

tumut looks like a flipping the bird emote

>>62571
schizophenia is not dissociative identity disorder, they are nothing like at all. please stop confusing the two, thanks in advance.

also i'm going to be a bit mad if it IS DID because it's usually a pretty stupid plot device/character trait that is very, very rarely done well. also now it reminds me of dumb people on tumblr pretending they have anime characters living in their head who possess them sometimes. if she is just pretending/playing characters/is a parody of those tumblr people i can forgive it.

More trolls! More Gamzeeish shenanigans!

This is exactly what tip story needed.

I saw the pester symbol and flashed back to that whole ~ATH business. Hmm.

Or maybe it has something to do with logical negation, instead.

Yay, the brother is here!

If we stick to the "one genetic code per player" rule, there isn't a brother and a sister but it's just one person with two identities. Which would fit with the fct that "uranian" is both male and female.

At this rate I won't be surprised if every prescratch troll has a UU chumhandle.

>>62573
Wasn't that the intended effect?

>>62578
You... might be on to something... Would be a kinda funny subversion to the diverse genetic code handles, especially for a universe whose apparent sole purpose was to make more universes that might be able to do something other then get eaten by Lord English.

Brb, wearing out another good note taking pen.

I love how this uu is blatantly is supposed to represent the part of the angry fandom who is tired of these extra character shenanigans and wants "the story to get back to the plot". It's the complete opposite of UU.

UU and uu are us
different sides of the fandom

>UU
>uu
>u
>you
Homestuck is saying to us "this is you"

First thing I think of when uu says he's going to kill them all is that it will result in them getting god tier, although it seems like that would be too obvious and simple. Sollux saying they were all going to die has mostly come true, except for Karkat, Terezi, and Gamzee.

>Dante thinks Jade is hot


HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

So yeah, seems like we're dealing with two distinct groups of trolls here. One group of dead trolls who continue the Ancestors' "troll society" (or possibly "bad fanfiction zone") theme, and one group of living trolls who continue the old "internet stereotypes" theme, only with Homestuck fans.

>meta bullshit

haha, see guys, look! he's us! look! clever hussie, so clever!

these are some of the worst logs I've ever read in the comic, sucking all wit and charm out of the story in order to make a few "playful jabs" at the community

Angry uu(Sufferer or a split personality of UU's?) makes some fucking good points.
We're now getting to see prescratch troll ancestors, what the fuck next, pre scratch original trolls? Get the fuck on with it Huss.

yeah the further meta stuff is a bit...

I'm considering taking a break from homestuck, not permanently but maybe until more updates have built up so I can blitz through them like I did up until the trolls were all murdering each other, his weaker sections are alot easier to read like that.

>>62587
Actually, if you'd fire up those gray cells and think a while back, you'd come to realize that characters that are parodies of internet subcultures or stereotypes were in Homestuck from the get-go. Your problem seems to be that this time, one of those stereotypes applies to you.

>>62590
The difference is that all the previous trolls (with purrhaps the exception of Nepeta) are more general internet stereotypes. With UU and uu this is Hussie basically going; IS THIS YOU, MSPA FAN?

>>62591
You forgot Gamzee.
But alright, point taken, their stereotypes are somewhat more specific, although a good deal of that will again vaporize if you're reading archivally.
But anyway, to me this seems like a pretty neat way of taking the theme to its logical conclusion. He started out with parodying internet subcultures and is now parodying the internet subculture that he created when parodying internet subcultures. That's the kind of playing with reader interaction that Hussie's been doing for ages on a somewhat larger scale.

Hehehe, Hussie is poking fun at the "just get on with it!!!" crowd.

This is awesome.

Internet subcultures that had partly inspired Homestuck were used as the basis for the Trolls who created the universe of the players.

Then the "subcultures" created by Homestuck are used as the basis for the trolls populating the universe created by those same players.


I think the parallel drawn here is just priceless.

>>62593
Agreed. Most of them won't even get it, though.

I'm starting to believe what people were saying about Dirk being a self-insert for Hussie in the comic, or at least someone who mirrors Hussie and represents many of his feelings, moreso than his literal avatar character.

>>62595
Do you really think so? its extremely blatant.

>>62598
Seeing as a large portion of the more enthusiastic Homestuck fans didn't seem to get that UU was an extremely blatant parody of them...
Self-denial and idiocy are not forces to be reckoned with, even if cynical fans often tend to come off as more intelligent than your average fangirl.

wow dirk logs are literally him not doing anything
a+ character

>what the joke behind UU is

fanfiction and shipping is fucking obnoxious and irritating

>what the fans think of UU

omg she writes fanfics too? omg shes so cuuuuute!

>>62590

I'd be fine with these stereotypes if they were actually done well, instead of being shoved into the comic without tact, humor or grace.

We're just getting these reset trolls fucking shoved into our faces one after another. It has nothing to do with me being insulted; if anything I'm insulted my stereotype had to be written with such mediocrity .

Somehow I'm starting to think they're not trolls
uu and UU seem like complete opposites. Sort of like the whole creation and destruction thing going on between Prospit and Derse.
If anything they're that two-player session Sburb was built for.
What if UU isn't actually a troll, she just dresses up like one because she's a big fan of the players?

>>62606
Those players are humans. Not trolls. And I'm pretty sure she referred to herself as an alien in a conversation with one of them.

>>62607
UU and friends are actually human, the Teens are secretly Trolls, whatta tweest!

>>62607
Just because she's an alien doesn't mean she's a troll.
She's just a different thing altogether.
And there's nothing saying she doesn't idolize the trolls, in fact her appearance supports that she does.

>>62611
You're saying that when we have an alien that idolizes humans and has the horns and skin color of a troll, it's most likely that it's in fact not a troll but a third kind of alien that idolizes trolls as well as humans and therefore cosplays as one.

Some food for thought.

Ophiuchus is made up of two constellations, Ophiuchus and Serpens.

>>62612
No, I'm saying that UU idolizes both the trolls and the humans.
She doesn't have horns or grey skin, she's like Hussie during Act 5.1, she's merely dressed up as a troll.

>>62615
Yeah that's exactly what I said. And hey, it's an okay piece of speculation.
But citing the fact that she looks like a troll as evidence for her not being a troll? Come on.

Remember when people thought Rose was Ophiuchus because of her chum tag? I think she's supposed to be "therapist" to these guys instead.

>>62617
...eh, exactly why do you think so?

wow would you look at all these uu's in here

>>62606
Now that, that would be funny.

Hey, is the black thing in the foreground supposed to be uu or what?

>>62622
It's just a creepy horse statue or something.

So, this is the biggest company I've ever seen advertise on Hussie's site.

Think about the implications!

>WHAT PART OF INTRIGUING SOCIOLOGICALLY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND.

>>62625
H3Y D4NT3

1S TH1S YOUR SHOW????

1T 1S 1SN'T 1T!!!

H3H3H3H3H3H3H3!

By the way, he confirmed on his Twitter last year that he does have a role in one episode that he's very excited about.

Have some possible UU's

>>62628
Oh my god, proportions are normal and yet they're so hilariously /anime/

take away the horns and I can imagine them staring in the next persona game

>>62631
I think mainly its the 'uniforms' that make them look persona-ish

Whenever anyone says anything rude about Homestuck angrily, people can just say "you're just like uu get mad nerd xD"

whoopee!

>>62633
Yes. Finally. The perfect comeback.
Now nobody can make fun of me on the playground.

uu is becoming more interesting by the minuet. Also we know who Dirk's denizen is now.

Now I'm severely curious about where the hell UU and uu come from. A two player session, while it has been speculated to be the minimum possible, is not what I expected to see in canon anywhere.

So, what universe are these guys from? Post-Scratch Alternia, same as all the trolls we know and love? Pre-Scratch Alternia? Either way, they would have to be a second session coming out of that planet, because the main sessions we know about from Alternia are the Pre- and Post-Scratch ones involving our 12 friends and their ancestors.

Waaay way back, when Rose was writing her SBURB FAQ, we did see reference to other players who had started their session to varying degrees, but apparently none got anywhere near as far as Rose was when she stopped writing. But it was apparently possible to start things off. And of course we can't know for sure what happened with all of them. It's certainly not necessary to write a FAQ as you're playing.

The BIG QUESTION: Is it possible to have two "successful" sessions come from the same planet?

Successful meaning that your session gets at least as far as Ectobiology, so you are "predestined" to enter your session and make yourselves. The only special requirement I can think of would be that all "successful" sessions would need to finish getting all their players in the game at around the same time due to circumstance, i.e. meteor-pocalypse.

My thoughts: Sure, why not? After all, lots of people have more than one child, so if they're successful, why couldn't one species/universe spawn two sessions? You know, propagation and all that.

>>62637
I still think they're the original session, the one that Sburb was suggested to be designed for.

Just watch as UU and uu are actually the same person with split personality, with one dream self for each Prospit and Derse, exactly like Sollux.

One person session.

>>62639
is that what uu meant by fighting for supremacy?

>>62640
Dream selves are people too! Individuals with their own feelings and ideas maybe!

Yaldabaoth? Looks ominous.

>>62637
Since they are communicating like that, they're probably just 1 universe away. Meaning that these Trolls are either from post re-Scratch or the Universe this session will spawn (from what UU said, almost certainly the latter), if they aren't from John's universe.

We know the kids and teens are supposed to get there and help win Sburb alpha, creating a new universe. The trolls, including Kanaya, are supposed to come with us. kanaya's role is to repopulate the new universe with trolls. She lost the matriorb, but we saw it appear again thanks to Jane's recipe modus.

Since we've already seen the players extract the code of an item from one it is used to alchemize, it would be possible to extract the code for the matriorb. They weren't able to duplicate it due to ludicrous cost, but once again the recipe fetch modus has shown us that different recipes can cause different prices, and the modus can show various (all?) possible combinations.


This theory is simple, explains everything about this situation and ties up various loose ends without any contradiction that I could see. So I'm sticking with it for now.

>>62637

Do we know that the pre-scratch trolls all made it into the session?

Could be that the other eleven or so were all killed off before the game even started.

What if uu and UU are , right now, on a planet where a SBURB session has already occurred? That would fit into the billions of corpses thing uu mentioned right now, and into the fact that UU's computer looks like an Exile terminal. The most likely candidates for the planet would probably be pre-Scratch Alternia or post-Scratch Earth.t

So uu is just fucking Karkat at this point?
I mean, thats his personality. And he values ambition.

>>62648
Not entirely. Karkat never had those jigsaw/murderer elements.

Yaldabaoth is the creator of physical reality, evil false God in gnosticism.
Hmmmmm.

>>62648
Nah - s' hard to put a finger on it, but uu's threats and invective are different somehow. The creative orgies of profanity are there in force, though.

anyone else think we're gonna get a
[s] Dirk: ascend to the highest point of the building
Soon?

>>62653
Got to wonder exactly what the relation is between the kids and their denizens.
Hephaestus was the humble god of forgers. Echidna was the mother of monsters.

>>62654
uu is like a mix of the worst aspects of Karkat and Gamzee. UU is like a mix of the best aspects of Nepeta and maybe Feferi? And they seem to be set up like Equius<>Nepeta but very dysfunctional.

>>62662
So she'll be getting killed off like those other wasted trolls?

>>62663
Yeah maybe.

I don't really care either way, to be honest. I like the human characters but I can't get into the new trolls at all.

>>62663
She's 50% of a session. She won't be as easily killed as Nep.

>>62662
looks as though i'm the only one that likes uu.
karkat fucked up at every turn and always tried to pull off this morbid and sinister persona, when he was really just this kid that wanted to look ominous in front of his friends and actually cared deep down about his teammates.

uu is either the perfect embodiment of heartlessness, or succeeds in portraying it very effectively.
chances are it's the latter and he'll end up changing later on in the story...

guys what if uu and UU live on the pink moon of alternia

>>62667
Then they have very exotic housing.

>>62666
I didn't say I disliked him, just that the way he talks is reminiscent of both characters at their worst (which is, for Karkat, pre-game, and for Gamzee, the Veil). He has only had one dialogue and talked to one person and we don't really know anything about him, so liking/disliking him at this point feels like jumping the gun. I can't say he's an instant favourite; for now he feels like a simple derivative of other well-established people with no traits that are uniquely him, but he might develop past that.

A lot of people hated Equius for being abusive and horrible with no redeeming traits when he first talked to Nepeta--because that's what it looked like--but once he was formally introduced it turned out we were wrong about most things. I think it will probably be the same way for uu, but I am not sure if I am going to take to him as well as I took to Equius.

>>62670
HOW ABOUT NOW????

>>62678
Well, it is kind of cute that he calls Cal a juju.

Poop. It's happening. Which is kind of exciting, but I can't help but be worried about Dirk not plugging in the window.

I'm guessing the repetition of phrases is making fun of how we regurgitate memes

>>62685
It's also hinting at Dirk remembering stuff from pre-Scratch.

Anyway, looks like Hussie setting up another mini-EoA? Maybe a third Dave: Ascend kinda thing?

>>62662
They sound more like kismesis and moirallegance at once.

>>62685
what? no, hussie's been doing that the entire story.

>>62685
Silly man, Hussie loves repeating patterns, motifs, phrases etc.

FURK YAHR!

Still. Unclarified thing: Was this area between windows:
- A dream bubble that Fef-like-troll hangs out in? (Didn't Feferi have to request those be made specifically?)
- A spot in the deep void (not a bubble) where Fef-like-troll hangs out? (Then why the dream-scape like background?)
- Some heretofore unknown type of area that still counts as "VOID"?

i can't help but think those sound effects should've been "not in actual danger" and "who cares" or something like that

Disturbing cosplay is disturbing...

If only Hussie updated with this on Leap Day...

holy shit look at that sweet air

'lil lady's got some serious legs there.

Maybe it's just low gravity thing.

>>62700
Or, perhaps, even an underwater thing.

>>62701
I'm gonna go with a mind over matter thing.

She fell up.

It was a STRONG jump, clearly. Void players confirmed for crazy strong?

>>62704
>>62702
I'm guessing that void players have some extra abilities when inside the void.

She can jump good.

What is even with all the scrutiny over this, goddamn.

Could be low gravity. Or no persistent gravity at all if it's a dream bubble. It could be a thing only if you want it to be.

I wonder what would happen if that window was turned on while dead pre-scratch empress was standing on it. Do you think she would fall through to Dirk's apartment? Can that even happen?

Also, did anyone else think it was funny how sad she looked when Roxy jumped away?

>>62713
She just wanted to say hello ;_;

>>62718
>>62713
<--

No but really it's just the curved points on top of her glasses that make her look that way

>>62713
I'd give you even odds that she'd evaporate like some Homestuck equivalent of imaginary selves busting through windows.

>>62681
I think that the Cal in Dirk's real self's room is a dud created by Gamzee. It was given to the Dirk of B2 by John when Dirk was born in B1. This must be the subtle glitch that Doc Scratch talked about a while back. In universes destined to undergo the scratch, there's a flip-flop with the paradox clones. The Cal in Dirk's Derse tower is a hardcore cursed artifact. It will be given to Jane who will give it to the Dirk Strider of B1 after she creates him in B2. Cal will wind up in the trolls session via Jack Noir, who will use it to capture a doomed Aradia bot that will travel back in time with Cal and go through a portal via a meteor. She will slam into the ground with the poorly stitched Cal (stitched by Dirk after Dave cut him up), who will be broken into pieces. Aradia will find these pieces along with John's dad's wallet (stolen by Jack Noir and thrown with Cal). She will have Sollux deliver the pieces to Kanaya who will fix Cal up. Kanaya will bring Cal to the ectobiology lab, where it's giving Gamzee all these evil suggestions. Gamzee as a bard is pretty unpredictable. A bard can make or break a session as suggested by UU. uu said that Cal's eyes looked dead, so it might be a dud. I want to know who put Cal in Dirk's room. It might have been Lord English's juju.

I remember when Dave was going through the room. I thought it was Dirk that was moving Cal around. Dirk did take the Ninja sword off the wall to prepare an asskicking for Dave. Dirk was going to give his Sburb game to Dave after the asskicking. Seeing as we have great insight into Dirk's personality, we know that asskicking was for Dave's own good. I mean Big bro gave Dave the only bedroom while he slept on the couch.

>>62726
Jane's not gonna create anybody. They already all got created in the beta timeline and copied by the scratch.

>>62727
That's not how it works. The trolls' session was also scratched but Karkat still created everyone int he ectobiology lab.

>>62728
The trolls' sessions were pretty glitchy also. Doc Scratch mentioned that in the pre-Scratch trolls were created from a session that were not their own.

>>62728
Here's the difference there: the session from pre-Scratch Alternia didn't do ectobiology. It got its players from post-Scratch Alternia; Doc Scratch mentions this in his villain monologue about how fucked Alternia was from the beginning.

Which leaves two possibilities:
1) the "normal" way for things to work is that every session does its own ectobiology, whether or not it was the "original" session.
2) the normal way is that only the original session does ectobiology, and every subsequent post-Scratch session is a branch timeline in which the meteors arrived in a different order.

I originally interpreted Doc Scratch's comments as implying #1, but there's evidence for #2 being the scenario in force here - specifically, that Jane's copy of Sassacre seems to have an inscription from her to Poppop. Also, Bro still has Li'l Cal, all the Bunnies ended up where you'd expect, &c.

>>62730
I just took it to mean that the meteors arrived on the other Earth. Lord English is going to make an appearance during the session. He could be on Jakes Island waiting for Jake to enter the session so that he can go too.

>>62730
No, I think you're misinterpreting things.

In normal sessions, ectobiology creates babies which are sent back in linear time to become the players and their ancestors. If the session is scratched, the ectobiology in the post-scratch session creates the post-scratch iterations of the players. There is no crossing between pre-scratch and post-scratch sessions. They are entirely separate.

What happened with the trolls' session is that Karkat created the pre-scratch trolls and the pre-scratch trolls created him. They crossed the streams. You are not supposed to cross the streams. This may or may not have happened in the human session as well, because all items carried with the babies John created are still present in B2. Maplehoof's size difference is evidence that B1 was its own loop, but that can be explained away, so currently it is impossible to tell.

>>62734
It's unknown whether the glitch is caused by Lord English as his calling card or if it's just a coincidence. There is evidence to support the former. Lord English will most gather all the heroes up and proceed to blow their fucking minds and make them rage with how much manipulation that he caused. I have reason to believe that he was the one who actually created the cursed Cal, and Gamzee's Cal is a dud.

>>62735
I'm not sure though. Hussie's probably going to come up with something more complicated.

>>62734

Nice pic, it clears up a lot of confusion that's been hanging around, I think. Of course, as always, we still need MOAR DATA to be sure of what really happened, but what this picture shows is, what I believe to be, at least, the correct interpretation of Doc Scratch's little spiel.

Anyway, the update: I love this particular little callback at the end. Most of the time Jane's appearance and behavior overwhelmingly reminds me of John, but these occasional little snap shots (another one being Jane in the "sleep" pose) remind me that she's Jade's ectobiological mother too. It's nice.

And here... we... go.

>>62737
>>62734
can you guys link me to where this is suggested?

>>62739
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005953

>>62740
thanks bro

>>62734
Maplehoof's size difference is not the only thing. There is also the inscription in the Sassacre and the wear and tear on the modified bunny.
On the other hand, the fact that those items are there in the first place, and all of them, does point towards the swap theory.
I'd say it's pretty obvious that this is what Hussie meant when he said he'd have to start fucking with the theorists (uh, to a greater extent than usual, that is). The problem is that we don't know if he's fucking with us by having the items be there or by having them be (seemingly) unusable.
>>62735
As for that Cal, well, it was created by Gamzee via the whole chucklevoodoo business, and that leads right back to his religion, the Mirthful Messiahs and therefore Scratch/LE, so I'd say there's definitely a potential for a link to the Big Man there.

This is from the readinghomestuck tumblr, talking about John's first fight against the GIANT ogres on top of his house on LOWAS.

>Wow, John sure is getting his butt handed to him.
>Good thing Nanna is a healer class.

In retrospect, this is HAHAHA hilarious.

I think uu just implied that Gamzee's juju is a dud. The one in Dirk's tower is so obviously fucking cursed though. I know Jane is going to give that one to Dirk Strider, so that he could travel into B1. I was confused when I saw that Cal in Dirk's tower, but then I remembered that Gamzee is a bard which makes him unpredictable.

I don't know much about homestuck; I have a bud who reads it a lot though. She confuses me when she talks about it; for the longest time she was talking about the trolls and these kids, John Jade, Rose and Dave. But now they've like reset the game are dead now, and the game is being played by these other kids who are the other kids (John & co) family from that timeline.

What is going on? I can't follow what she's talking about; what are the alpha and beta timelines?

>>62746
I'd suggest you read it yourself, but if you're too impatient, here's a brief summary.

John, Jade, Dave, and Rose are four friends who play a newly released video game that lets them interact with each others' houses and build stuff. They quickly find out that the game's true purpose is to get them into another realm called "The Medium" before the earth is sterilized by meteor shower. If they complete their tasks, a new universe will be created.

John discovers a laboratory with a computer that is locked on a family member of each kid; his grandmother, Jade's grandfather, Roes' mom, and Dave's older brother. The machine then creates a clone of each ancestor and uses their genetic data to create a clone of each kid, mixing Nanna and Grandpa to make John and Jade, and mixing Mom and Bro to make Rose and Dave. These eight babies are sent to earth at various times, effectively meaning that all of them came from The Medium and were destined to become involved in the game.

Creatures called trolls (who had been bothering them with un-blockable IM messages for years) tell them that they played the game that created the human universe, but because of something the four kids did, they were unable to claim their reward in the new universe. They can see every point on the human kids' timelines on their computers, and they tell them that their session will not succeed. A plan is hatched to reset the human universe and escape their failed sessions, retreating to the new one that will be begun from a slightly different universe.

In this new universe, the roles of ancestor and child are reversed; the clones apparently fell to earth at the opposite times, resulting in a new session with four different kids. That is on who the story is focused right now, with John, Jade, Dave, Rose, and the trolls all traveling to the new session.

>>62746
Well, the easiest way to find out would be reading the thing, obviously.
But since it's kinda long and not everyone's thing anyway, the gist of alpha and beta timelines is this:

Let's say you travel into the past and kill your grandfather before your mother is conceived. Classic grandfather paradox. The way Homestuck decided to deal with the paradox is splitting the timeline in two at that point. The timeline you were born in is called the beta timeline, the one you are in now, but will never be born in is the alpha. One thing about people from beta timelines in Homestuck is that they tend to die soon.

Now the thing with the resetting is kind of a different affair, and you may be confusing it with the timeline business, because it also uses with the words alpha and beta. Homestuck is, originally, about four kids (John, Rose, Dave, Jade) playing the beta version of a video game, SBURB. Needless to say, there are lots of shenanigans and whatnot, and their universe ends up being "reset", or rather destroyed and a "backup copy" created. That copy has a few changes, though, and one thing is that the kids and their parents switched places, so that the parents are now the ones playing the game. That game, in the new universe, is still in its alpha stage.
So, timelines and this are different things.

It should also be noted that the original kids managed to escape the destruction of their universes and will presumably be joining the "swapped" versions of their parents soon-ish.

>>62746

Hmm, how best to explain this to someone who knows nothing about Homestuck...

So there's the Kids, the four kids who play the game (John, Jade, Rose, Dave). And there's also their Guardians, who are their genetic parents (Nanna, Grandpa, Bro, and Mom). The 'game' is actually the birthing process for a new universe and creates a sort of pocket universe called a Session within a big mass of confusing inter-universal Paradox Space called the Medium for the game to be played in. Although the game is largely played within the Session, it has implications for the timeline of the originating universe (for example the game itself actually creates the people who will play it, closed time loops are fun).

So the Kids and their Guardians enter their Session. And they fuck it up really, really hard. So hard that they now have no chance of winning, and have to pull the plug on the whole game. They do this by causing a Scratch, a hard-reset function within the game, which will wipe the session and universe clean and start it over again from the beginning.

In this new universe, though, the roles of the Kids and Guardians are swapped: the new kids your friend's talking about are in fact Mom, Bro, Grandpa and Nanna, but younger and we now know their names. Likewise, we now have Grandpa John, Grandmom Jade, Mom Rose and Bro Dave.

The Kids from the original Session escaped the scratch via Shenanigans, and are now travelling to this new session. The main action now follows the Alpha kids as they enter the Medium and make preparations for their arrival (although they don't really know that that's what they're doing).

Is that comprehensible?

>>62748
This is why I fucking hate how everyone calls them the alpha and beta sessions. It's impossible to explain anything to someone who doesn't already know 95% of what's going on.

>>62747
>>62748
>>62749
Oh dear god, we're not trying to explain the infinitely immense train wreck that is homestuck's plot again are we?

>>62749
I feel it's worth pointing out that it was actually Karkat who fucked over the beta kid's session by rushing the frog breeding in their session.

>>62752
If you want to get into all the minutia of how and why, we'll be here all day.

>>62751
Nah. Just summarizing one or two key aspects.
Also, are you by any chance trainwreckanon?

>>62746
Listen, if you're honestly interested in finding out what all of this bullshit means THE ONLY place you're going to find any answers starts right here:
http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=001901

No matter how well versed someone is in Homestuck's story no one is capable of summarizing it in a way that can help you understand.
Though don't be surprised if you get bored reading the first 100 pesterlogs and begin to lose interest.

The only person capable of convincing you to read Homestuck is yourself, of that you can be certain.

>>62754
No, sorry.
Have no idea what you're talking about...

>>62756
Oh, there's just this one anon over in HSG who's always bitching and easily recognizable because he can't not use the word "trainwreck".
Sorry for suspecting you.

So the Beta Timeline is Jade, John, Dave and Rose and the Alpha Timeline is Dirk, Jane, Jake, and Roxy.

In John's time they played a game and couldn't win and reset the game causeing time to re-set itself and make The Alpha Timeline players and their game is the finished version; while John and all the other kids on earth were playing a unfinished version? (He told me that all these kids on earth died because they couldn't figure out the rules to their game. That made me sad.)

Do I have it down?

>>62755
He could always read the recaps.

REAL (SHORT) EXPLANATION: Homestuck is basically Jumanji, if they were playing a computer game instead of a board game.

>>62758
You missed something important: The beta players aren't dead! They escaped from their game session, and they're traveling through the outer reaches of space and time to try to help the alpha players win their new session.

>>62759
BAM.

>>62759
No he can't.
Reading the reca4ps won't nearly capture the full experience, the recaps are there to remind people of menial or complex aspects in the story that were forgotten along the way.

Reading a bunch of paragraphs of what happened while excluding all of the humor and all of the imagery isn't the way reading Homestuck was intended and would bore the fuck out of anyone who attempted such.

>>62745
How is the one in his tower obviously cursed? It looks just like all the others and it doesn't move nor does Dirk even go near it.

>>62758
Yeah that's pretty much right. John's group did actually figure out the rules pretty fast, but their game session was still unwinnable because they were basically sabotaged.

>>62758
We don't really know about how "finished" any of the game versions were. In real life, an alpha is less complete than a beta. Then again, the original kids are bringing some parts of their game with them, so hopefully the combination will end up "working".

Plus, there's another aspect with this time-travelling incredible hulk mobster demon pharaoh pirate pimp manipulating the game for his (still mostly unknown) purposes, and he seems to have his long, green claws all over the reset universe.

>>62762
Look at that ton of fuck and tell me with a serious face you expect ANYONE to read that and still be compelled to read homestuck.

>>62766
>Plus, there's another aspect with this time-travelling incredible hulk mobster demon pharaoh pirate pimp manipulating the game for his (still mostly unknown) purposes, and he seems to have his long, green claws all over the reset universe.
Just call him a demon. Please.

>>62768
Nah. That's way less fun than listing all influences that went into his character design.

>>62769
Aw shit I forgot the ventriloquist puppet. And the pool stuff.

>>62766
To expand:

Software in the alpha stage of their development are missing features. In the case of Roxy's group's game, they are most obviously missing the ability to prototype, making the game unwinnable. Alphas are, for that reason, never given out to the general public to playtest. They are not complete games. Jane alone was supposed to be sent her copy; Roxy, Dirk and Jake took their copies supposedly without the company's consent. Probably no one else in the scratched world knew about it or had any chance whatsoever of playing it.

Betas DO contain all features but are glitchy as fuck. Sometimes they are released to the public--or a section of the public anyway--so a larger group of people can find and report bugs before the final release. This is exactly what happened with John's version of the game; it WAS known to people outside of John's small social circle (ex. Gamebro) and it WAS presumably sent to more than just John & co.

With the trolls, we have no idea how the A1 trolls got their games, but we do know that Aradia and Sollux made a complete game for their group only, so it's unlikely anyone else got a hold of it. This alone makes the alpha/beta dichtonomy stupid because Sollux's game was not an alpha game, it was a "final" (but untested) version.

The only pattern to be garnered from this is that scratched worlds are very specific in who gets the game, and it is limited to one group. Unscratched universes may spread their seed wider. This makes sense because an unscratched universe may have multiple sessions to ensure at least one of them succeeds and creates anew daughter universe; a scratched universe is a second chance for a single group of players who fucked it up the first time.

Please use that A1/A2/B1/B2 naming scheme instead, it is so much simpler and less confusing.

>>62773
>>62765
Yes, but all of the other kids who got the beta were unable to win because they couldn't figure out the complex rules of SBurb and died. So the only session that worked from their timeline was theirs, I pretty sure something Rose had stated that.

>>62774
Which then makes Rose's session the seed that grew when the others failed to launch. It doesn't mean that every universe only has one surviving session, or if the universe is guaranteed that at least one of its sessions will make it. It is the same reasoning why some animals lay a ton of eggs: most of their progeny is going to die before adulthood, so the more eggs they lay the better the chances of some of them living.

Running the gauntlet is obviously difficult and it relies mostly on luck, so virtually all sessions fail. I believe that's what Rose said.

>>62774
>Yes, but all of the other kids who got the beta were unable to win because they couldn't figure out the complex rules of SBurb and died.
We don't know that for sure. We can only say that none of the players who wrote walkthroughs survived, and even that's not totally certain.

The infamous eight planet session from the lab console in act 3, along with fedorafreak's message log, are pretty strong evidence that someone else from B1 Earth managed to get pretty far in the game.

>>62771
You also forgot the frog or crocodile or whatever the fuck kind of amphibious life form he's supposed to be.

>>62777
Crocodile, for extra reference points when associating him with clocks and pitting him against the guy with the arm/hand prosthesis.

But he doesn't bear any resemblance whatsoever to a crocodile or a frog. Aside from the fact that he is green. And most crocodiles and frogs aren't even green?

>>62779
Green frogs have been portrayed in the comic both as actual living frogs and as illegal iconography.

LE has no hair or ears but very prominent cheeks and eyes. And obviously he's green. These make him look pretty froglike to a lot of people! His clawed/elongated hands and feet are more croclike than froglike, but still help.

Why does Hussie keep blatantly implying that Jake is going to become LE. We all know that Hussie's will most likely pull a 180 and give him a crazy origin story involving Cal.

>>62781
He hasn't implied Jake will become LE at all. He has LE propaganda everywhere but that only gives them some sort of a connection.

Jake becoming a huge green world-eating monster would be kind of stupid.

>>62782
I agree, but this is homestuck we're talking about here.

>>62784
Indeed, not having stupid things happen is just not in Hussie's style.

I guess this is as good a place as any to ask this:
What is up with GCat's mouth/snout/nose?
There are panels showing it (sort of) working like a proper cat mouth, but in normal panels like this one, it just looks like a really fucked up human nose or some of the like.
Can anybody help me unsee this?

Proper cat included for reference

it kind of looks like sbahj nose

>>62786
andrew is just pretty bad at drawing animal faces
see: bec

He probably should have traced Jaspers' face and left out the eyes/nose.

>>62786
>>62788
Bec was more of a stylized choice. As such, GCat's nose and body shape is somewhat of a callback to Bec's appearance. Granted, it's just more cat-like...sort of.

>>62794
A part of me shudders to think of what we as a fandom have done to him.

>>62798
he's probably used to it due to avatar

>>62803
Oh yea that's right huh. Okay that fucker can take it.

>>62803
god, imagine all the furious zutara fans he must have put up with at conventions. woefully misinformed people who thought he have had a hand in destroying their beloved ship, people who were under the impression he was literally zuko and talked to him as if the character's decisions were his own, people who asked invasive personal questions about who he was dating/if he would date katara's actor/etc.

>>62794

Aww, he was spoiled after all. I was wondering how he even got right before act 3 without someone telling him that.

>>62809
If it's any consolation, it was the Huss who spoiled him.

>>62811
no it was twitter user andrewPussie or some p inserted in it :(

>>62808
I'm pretty sure he ships Zutara too.

>>62814
I find that hilarious for some reason.

Anyone know whats up with the PUASE? Think Hussie is just busy selecting track art for the fan album? Or is this just a hiatus? I don't think it could be a flash, this would seem like a pretty weird time to have one.

I'm just asking because I'm not that ensconced in the Homestuck community, so I wouldn't know if people know the reason behind this or not.

it's a hiatus. and it seems a very good time for a flash. Dirk ascending, Jane entering the medium, Jake transportalizing the bunny and Roxy fighting her way through the dersite exiles(?). A lot of shit's about to go down.

>>62815
It might also be because he's helping with the release of the music, but from what I've heard, Hussie has no involvement over the selecting of the art. That's mostly just, uh... Radiation?

>>62819
Hussie is a signatory to the music contracts, so that'll take up some of his time, but not much. More likely he's just busy with the flash.

so do u guys think hussie will make the target date of 4/13? seems to me like it's really coming up soon, but.

>>62837
4/13/2013

>>62838
yeah, but that's not three years from 4/13/09.

>>62837
I think this flash will be done before then.

Wait okay maybe I'm an idiot.

But Gamzee has two mirthful messiahs, right? One lowercase, one uppercase. One who is happy, and one who is murderous.

That sounds eerily similar to the UU's

>>62843
Didn't Huss state it to be LE and Cueball?

>>62844
He did.
http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/12341136347/le-factoids
> LE has always been around influencing troll culture from the start, and it seems he was always the embodiment of the mirthful messiahs the highbloods worshiped, since he was really two beings, Doc Scratch and LE, both “mirthful” puppet-based entities, in their own ways.

>>62843
>>62844
>>62846
I'm not convinced that this doesn't mean LE and Scratch aren't the UUs.

So I guess the new album is going to drop when the next flash arrives?

I'm really excited to see both contest results...

what
what happened guys

First time in Homestuck I've ever actually thought "I suddenly understand jack shit".

Did they not even get to start playing? Are you kidding me?

Huh. Seems the "years in the future" theory was spot on.
Also, yeah, what the fuck.

I love how the HOMESTUCK label is attached to the sun just like the Prospit and Derse labels are physical things.

>>63864

It seems like Jane entered... and then the Condense came from a defense portal to Earth that way... then... it's years in the future? Were Dirk, Roxy, and Jake stuck on Earth for years (???) before they enter, if they enter? While the empress makes it her own, brings a horrorterror to raise the sea level, start building her empire?

I don't see why the other kids couldn't enter, unless those data files that were put up on the internet deleted themselves, somehow. Weren't drones coming for Dirk right away, according to uu? What was causing the shaking if not?

I suddenly don't understand anything.

I'm not sure I understand what happened.

Are Dirk and Roxy in a different timeframe from Jake and Jane? So the IMs went back in time?

aaaaaaaaaaa

>>62866
Basically, it seems that this person is right:
http://ahpoordogsbody.tumblr.com/post/17702479075/get-this

We've been jumping back and forth between two different timeframes for the entire act, with Dirk and Roxy's being several years later than Jane and Jake's.

>>62867
>So the IMs went back in time?
Wouldn't be the first time. Trollian had similar functionality.

I will say that this does explain some things, like where those exiles came from and why Roxy's speech is littered with trollisms.

Also, I know I can't be the only one who was thinking, "Come on, Lil' Seb! Jump in! Be the hero!" Really, this flash is a major downer because it means that all future progress in their session is pretty much pointless.

Also, how did Jade enter if she didn't break her thing? The tree just disappeared and she went poof. Shouldn't she have stayed and gotten smashed by the meteor that was supposed to be coming?

>>62870

Maybe her entry item symbolizes THE END OF ALL GREENERY ON EARTH

Or something.

>>62870
>all future progress in their session is pretty much pointless.
How so? Their Battlefield will not reach its final stage, sure, but that's Jade is bringing a spare.

> Also, how did Jade enter if she didn't break her thing? The tree just disappeared and she went poof. Shouldn't she have stayed and gotten smashed by the meteor that was supposed to be coming?
The effect of her entering looked quite different from the other examples we've seen. There's definitely something weird going on here.

Dang, now I feel bad for not calling it was Condesce's ship instead of a meteor.

I had to watch it a few times before I got what was up.
The Condesce just don't stop becoming scarier. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I don't think I've ever seen such a savvy villain in my life.

The big question is whether this difference in time also apply within Sburb. Do they all occupy the same "space" of the timeline, or do this presumably vast amount of years separate them even within their session?

>>62868

Damn, this person CALLED some shit. This theory so NEATLY explains so many things, also why we never see the ground outside around Dirk/Roxy (we see New York/Houston WITHOUT the Teens) until now. And it's certainly the kind of thing about which Hussie would leave clues like that scattered around.

The ONLY alternative that I can think of would be that the Condesce time-bumped the remaining Teens to "years in the future (but not many)" after Jane entered. But that doesn't make a whole lot of sense

>>62870
> Also, how did Jade enter if she didn't break her thing? The tree just disappeared and she went poof. Shouldn't she have stayed and gotten smashed by the meteor that was supposed to be coming?
>>62872
>The effect of her entering looked quite different from the other examples we've seen. There's definitely something weird going on here.

There is something weird going on. I'm pretty sure that it's the fact that Jane didn't get to prototype anything. Also, if you watch [S] Jade: Enter, you'll see that when her house disappears, it's not too different looking then when Jane's did. I think the main difference here is that it took long enough that Jane got to take a look at the "meteor" that stopped and floated over her house for a bit. If it were a normal meteor she would have been fried and that would have been the end.

This was probably, again, because she had no prototyping. All the other kids prototyped before they entered. And since SBURB is kinda "always there" due to having an independent time line, I wouldn't be surprised if the game just had "dud" entry items for getting players in when their session doesn't prototype. We've had hints that it's possible to "play" without prototyping, but have never seen the consequences until now.

So I guess we're going to see the infamously dreadful consequences of failing to prototype. Apart from being unable to grow a universe, I mean.

I feel as if the Teens' lands are going to be much grimdarker than anything we've seen prior.

I don't know what the hell just happened.

And I'm not happy about it.

>>62843

More evidence.

"Calmasis, who throughout the series plays the roles of antihero and chief antagonist. Calmasis convinces fellow disciples to rebel against Zazzerpan's vaunted Complacency, and one by one hunts down each wizard. All twelve are killed but the Predicant Scholar himself, forcing a showdown."

Gamzee intended to kill all 12. UU is linked to Calmasis.

Just saying I think there is more going on here.

>>62878

Shit. CALmasis, Lil CAL.

Calmasis also has an outfit terrifyingly similar to Doc Scratch.

Perhaps UU and uu really are incredibly linked to the Cueball and English.

>>62874
Sburb has a separate timeline entirely, and stuff tends to happen between it and outside places like Earth and Alternia when it's most convenient (time shenanigans!). I imagine when everyone gets in the game it'll be not too long after Jane, although the idea of her having years to max out her character and then get stuck with fuck all to do is amusing.

The Alpha kids have the shittiest luck.

I know the Beta kids are supposed to step in and save everyone, but I was hoping that when they did the Alpha kids would have at least a few legs to stand on.

So what? We chalk this up to a failed session and Dave goes back in time or sends some one pack in time to give them a better chance?

>>62883
Nah. That's been done, and overusing it is just boring. No more creating non-alpha timelines.

Did Andrew have a really bad experience with Hamburger Helper as a kid or something?

>>62885
I think it's kinda necessary in this situation don't you?

>>62887
No? Earth is pretty much fucked, yeah, but that's inevitable anyway.
And it's not like all the R-kids are dead or something.

Jane and Jake might be.

>>62889
Yeah, and the meteor might have crashed into Cthulhu while we weren't watching.
Just assuming offscreen deaths doesn't seem very reasonable to me.

>>62887

As >>62888 said, there's still plenty chance for all the Alpha Teens to make it into the game. Roxy and Dirk simply need to fend off Crocker Drones while they do it. Plus, it's smack-in-the-face obvious that SBURB is up to and beyond its neck in weird time shenanigans and circumstantial simultaneity.

Just look at Jane's Dreamself Death and Dirk's finding out about it on Derse being something that happened "simultaneously" to both Jane and Dirk on Earth. Pretty sure that player's Dreamselves are "synchronized" in the game relative to when each enters from the Session's perspective, even if things don't match up perfectly back on Earth. After all, to the Session all of Earth's history is just a bunch of points to choose from, and SBURB and other software has been known to just do things across spacetime.

So, who's going to be Dirk's Server player? Seems like Jake will have to be it if Dirk wants his flushed plans to go through the way he has planned them. But then Roxy would be last in, and like Dirk it looks like she needs to get out fast. Bluh, what a mess.

So, if the Condesce didn't arrive at Earth until the time when Jane was entering Sburb, then who was Betty Crocker? It couldn't have been the Condesce since this update shows she wasn't around yet.

>>62886
No, but he played Dragon Age 2.

wait, so who was the Betty Crocker that gave jane her surname if the condesce hadn't arrived yet?

>>62895
Time shenanigans?

>>62895
She works for Lord English, so she may know some Time Majykks.

>>62895
It might not have been the Empress arriving, but rather just her ship + her forces.
After all, she did have a history of coming to planets under the guise of a peaceful ambassador, before taking it over.

So the Alternian Empire are actually the Combine?

the condesce IS crocker but she had to build up her massive drone army for a while. as it was it was just her. and taking on the entire planet alone, even with cool powers, is suicide.

>>62895

I totally answered this question, but I threw the answer over in the Ideas and Theories thread, since it's basically just my theory instead of a canonical answer.

Click only if you want to read my long winded protein chute expulsions.
>>62902

>generic army of minions approaching

And this is why reading Homestuck is like pulling teeth for me.

We KNOW the remaining R-Kids will fight through the Condesce's armies. We KNOW they'll enter the Medium. Why is this being dragged out? For Gog's sake, what is the point?

Hell, if Hussie had thrown a Subjuggulator or two into the Flash I would have gotten interested. That would have shown that the Condesce actually intends to kill them, rather than just being another Villain of the Year that leaves the story without ever speaking or doing anything non-generically-villainous.

Hell, Lord English himself hasn't done anything remotely interesting since he ate the Handmaid.

I may have missed something or be reading too much into one particular thing, but are we SURE the other kids are going to enter the session?

I'm referring to this from Jane's intro page:
Your name is JANE. As was previously mentioned, you are poised for an ELITE OPPORTUNITY to test the SBURB ALPHA. It is so elite in fact, you are the only of your kind invited to playtest!

>only one of your kind

wouldn't that mean she's the only human to enter or am I missing something?

>>62906
>invited to playtest

the other kids have copies of the alpha too

I assumed that Poppop would get prototyped AFTER entering the session, since post-entrance prototypings affect the sprite but not the rest of the game. Now that he is stuck in space and most likely wont get prototyped, who will it be? Lil Seb? Dad? GCat?

Also, Roxy and Dirk being in the future reveals something. The reasons Jane didn't believe their guardians were dead was because in her time they weren't. Rose and Dave were probably killed during the Empress' take over.

. . . Was that G'lb Golyb at Hellmurder Island?

Doc Scratch was the one who gave her to trollkind in post-scratch Alternia. But then she died, so this can't be the same Gl'b Golyb. Where did this one come from? I doubt it could have been a present from GCat . . .

Anyone else notice that when Jane is looking at the 'meteor' coming down you can see the Homestuck title floating next to the sun in the upper left corner?

Thought that was kind of a nice touch.

>>62906
The other kids are on Prospit and Derse too, meaning they'll enter.

>>62911
Either the Horrorterrors sent a new emissary to earth, or the Condesce somehow cloned her. Since the first has some grave implications concerning the allegiance of them tentaclebeasts, I hope it's the latter. I just really like the idea of the horrorterrors being, well, sorta not horribly murderous or working with LE :#

>>62914
But the horrorterrors do work with Lord English.

Though it is kind of hard to talk allegiances when we have hardly any clue about motivations of the forces at play.

Am I only one who repeatedly hears themes of Homestuck in King Crimson's songs?

>>62915
We don't really know that. All we know is that the Horrorterrors are trying to stop the creation of new universes, that LE devours universes after they die, and that something -or someone- is killing the Horrorterrors. That could imply a whole lot of things, ranging from "LE and the Horrorterrors are working together" to "the Horrorterrors and LE are enemies."

Personally, I don't really want them to work together. Based on what we know, the Horrorterrors are opposed in every way to Sburb and BSlick. English, on the other hand, is reliant on this act of creation to survive, or whatever he gains by eating all those universes. Not to mention that LE is the most likely to be the one who is killing the Horrorterrors.

>>62918
But the horrorterrors aided LE on several occasions, seem to have worked with Scratch to manipulate Rose and the rest of our heroes.

>>62905

When the hell did he eat the Handmaid

>>62918
>that LE devours universes after they die
You know, about that...
Am I mistaken in thinking that the only reference to him "devouring" universes was this:
>He has the entire cadaver of the expired universe to pick apart at his whim. From its birth through its swelling maturity and tapering decay.
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003992

Cause that always sounded more like a metaphor for "do whatever the fuck he likes in it" to me.
Although what with the universes literally being frogs I guess he could, also literally, eat them. Lord French much?

>>62921
Addendum:
Found another description to what LE does.
>Doc Scratch, like Bec, is a virtually omnipotent being, with all the same powers. Unlike Bec, he is an intelligent host to those powers, and is therefore also omniscient. His job is to pave the way for the arrival of his employer, an indestructible time traveling demon called Lord English. Lord English can only enter a universe upon its death, at which point he travels back in time to an earlier point in the universe's lifespan to assume leadership of his gang of mobsters called The Felt.
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005138
No mention of any universe-devouring.

Two down...

>>62924
Anybody translate the Daedric/Trollian yet? He, a little lazy to do it myself.

>>62925
If history is any judge, it probably means "BUT NOT MANY."

>>62926
Ynam ton tub.
So yeah.
But not many.

so, we getting another hussbot intermission?

>>62932
he is going to be dressed as kamen rider

>>62934
I'm thinking Dirk's wifebeater outfit

Could also be calmasis. Although that might be too close to that felt outfit he wore at one point.

>>62934
I hear tell it's spelled "common"

>fresh from the butler

Ewwww.

I completely forgot about the baby bird thing

Oh my god I can't breathe, this is hilarious, of course he'd canonize that one question, oh my goddd...

I guess we get a better idea as to what UU is wearing, at least. That's pretty cool.
And what's with Slick's new robot eye???

>>62942
he was in the universe when it blue up

it's not strange that he'd need some rebuilding

Arthour looks so happy :D

>>62936
You are Lord of the Ridiculously Close Guesses.

>>62942
First is the robotic left arm and now it's the robotic right arm and face. By the type this story is over he will be fully agumented into a cyborg killer.

Also it seems to be time for a new thread?

Ms. Paint is such a sweetheart~

ack is it time for the new thread yet

Liquorice soup sound pretty gross to me, but at least Slick is in Butler Heaven.

>>62948
Explains why Arthur's there.

>>62947
You know, that picture would have made a lovely 135 header, but then you had to go post it. d:

More to the point: How did Slick get here? Unless Hussie's Avatar nabbed him for rehab through some fifth wall shenanigan, I don't know how else he could have escaped after shooting Snowman.

*shrug*

>>62950
Hussie will probably show us how he and Ms. Paint ended up there.

>>62950
I know, I'm sorry! It was done in the white-hot grip of Update Fever. You understand.

(But I think the scottie-origami would be just as nice.)