Battle startups still look a little slow, but man is it pretty.

Any word on the story? Is it still "10 year old with only his/her mom goes on a journey to collect Pokemon, defeat 8 gyms in a fairly specific order, and somewhere after the 7th gym have a throw down with the leader of the Big Bad"?

It's been that way since RGBY and I'm sick and tired of it.

>>26487
You're just upset that Black, White, Black 2 and White 2 dialled it back down to saving the world from being ruled by an evil organization instead of saving all life on the planet/in the universe.

>>26488
If Plasma was actually out to do what they claimed they would, that would've been interesting. Unsurprisingly, they were another evil team that wasn't Team Rocket, so people complain.

Personally, I'd rather have an open world roguelike sorta deal. You can challenge the gyms in any order and they scale depending on how many badges you have, for starters. Once you clear the league, you can go off routes which were sanctioned for safety reasons. And you can accept daily challenges from trainers as the champ. Hell, they could do ANYTHING with this series and they don't because it prints money as it is.

>>26489
>roguelike
>and pokémon
Is that not just Mystery Dungeon?

And yeah that should have gone with the thing from the Adventure manga where they point out that releasing tame animals into the wild is a really bad idea and thats why Plasma most be stopped.

I'm always surprised to find out there are people who play Pokemon for the story.

I can already tell that the long pause between the battle starting and the bottom screen becoming functional is going to piss me off by the time I'm halfway through with the game.

I know that the ridiculous zooming in animation every time you entered a door last gen was just mind-boggingly long and frustrating. There is no reason for there to be blank screens where you cannot do anything when no action is taking place by now

>>26492
Face it, the days of quick start battles died with Red, Blue, and Green and they're not coming back.

>>26492
loadtimes.

>>26494
Given the fact that other DS games or 3DS games are much better at hiding or minimizing those load times, there's still no reason for it.

I mean take something like animal crossing. Yes there are still load times, but they're so minimal that it's not an issue.

>>26495
Hopefully there's still an option to turn off animations and that it improves the situation.

>>26491
It's not that I play Pokemon for the story, it's that changing the story might make me interested in Pokemon. We've had the same damn gameplay and story for the main Pokemon games since RGB. Hell, Yellow had more of a different story than the following Gens.

Every game can be boiled down to what I posted in >>26487: "Fatherless kid goes on adventure to collect Pokemon and 8 gym badges, and sometime after Gym 7 faces off against the leader of Team Badguys, then goes on to beat the Elite 4." It's not even tradition at this point, it's either stubbornness or lack of imagination.

Why do the bad guys have to be Team Whatever?
Why does the big showdown have to always be after Gym 7 but before the Elite 4? Why does there always have to be 8 Gyms?
We have 18 types now, and only 12 of those see themed Gym Bosses. Why do we have to do them in a certain order and always start from the same, sleepy hamlet?
I've always been a fan of >>26489's idea with the scaling, or each gym has "tiers" and you go back to fight a higher tier as your Pokemon become stronger (this is also how they would make a Pokemon MMO work.)
Why do the past games/regions get paltry lip service and one or two cameos, if anything? Prof. Oak seems to be the only thing really tying them together now, even Bill has been forgotten. Gold/Silver was awesome because once you complete the region, BOOM, you get access to last gen's region to see how it has changed and get those badges. I'm not saying each game should have to include every prior game's region (though that would be awsm, and great for a Wii U entry in the main franchise), but having just the prior with a few changes would be great in extended the life of the game beyond "collect more pokey manz".

The narrative of Pokemon is so dull and repetitive that even having the cliche twist of the Elite Champion revealing himself as your dad after you defeat him would blow my fucking mind.

And this is just the story. I can complain for hours about the gameplay, as well.

tl;dr: It's like we've been driving the same damn 1965 Chevrolet Impala for forever. Yes, it's still a nice car, but there are cars with far better gas mileage and safer interiors now. But instead of getting a new car, we just keep adding trinkets and racing stripes to the Impala, changing the type of tires now and then. Replacing the engine or the interior would do worlds of good to make it interesting again.

>>26499
But that not a problem when you have tons of other cars and vehicles.
Its the same with other samy nintendo game.

>>26500
>Its the same with other samy nintendo game.
At least they sometimes try to significantly change up the gameplay in those.
Except for the NSMB series. That's pretty much a constant.

What do we get in pokemon? One more person to team battles and a nonsense rotation mode. And really, we don't need that much. The game design is solid. It just wouldn't hurt to put more variation on how you actually progress through a story.

I don't hate them? I like the pre-gen 3 color schemes though. No more random clashing markings please.

So you can upload Pokemon to "the cloud" from a new 3DS app with an annual fee, but you an only transfer from XY and BW2 and you can't store "hacked" Pokemon.

>>26505
So not only would I have to buy B&W2 (and most likely beat it) in order to trade Pokemon over to XY, then pay money to store them on the internet where nothing bad could ever happen and I have access to them all the time totally; but I can't trade over my GTS Pokemon because Game Freak and Nintendo get ruffles in their panties that people "cheat" to get their 30000 DLC timed event exclusive Pokemon so I can complete my Pokedex?
No thanks.

Good hacks are indistinguishable from real pokemon. Stop being bad at hacking.

It's going to be 500 yen= $5 a year. I can't even image your financial situation if you can't save up $5 in a year. I recommend not buying X or Y. How do you even own a 3DS?

Also no shit you have to buy an older Pokemon game so you can transfer pokemon from it to new game. What, were you planning on materializing them out of the fucking aether or something? What? Why is this even a thing.

>>26504
I like Venusaur but Blastoise looks like it was drawn by some bootlegger and Charizard is just fanfiction-tier.

>>26507
I have Black and it was shit, so I don't want to buy BW2. It's for the DS and they've made shit crazy backwards compatible in the past so it's not unrealistic to think they could have made that game compatible or hell why not just trade between games like in all the other iterations?

I don't want to pay for something that's been in every other game for free. I don't give a shit about storing 3000 Pokemon. I can't imagine the kind of person that would need that. All I give a shit about is transferring my old ones.

I know you're mad that someone dislikes something you don't, but if you're going to get that bent out of shape about it, the internet isn't a good place for you.

>>26504
SO HYPE, MOST DANCE!
Boys Are Back In Town Thin Lizzy

>>26509

Bank and Transporter work for all gen 5 games. It's not for DS, it's for 3DS. Trade between gens hasn't existed since gen 2. There will be more a free trial for more than a month if for some reason you're so poor that you can't save up less than 2 pennies a day for it.

Have fun.

Holy shit I just realized that for 5 bucks I'll be able to endlessly start my games over and over without losing pokes or having to buy a second copy to use as a temp storage box. HELL YES.

Megastoise looks pretty great, Venasaur looks... pretty uninspired and un-mega and Charizard... looks like gen 5 and gen 1 fused. I'm not sure how I like it.

>>26509
That's what Bank is going to be for, though.
Bank will be how you transfer Pokemon forward from now on.

>>26511
Oh man I hope Heart Gold counts as a Gen 5 game because I traded in all my other DS Pokemon games so I could put it toword a 3DS...

Also I think I'm the only person who likes Mega Charizard, I will say his little arm nibs are a bit off though.

>>26519
Nope!
BnW only.
Hope you can find one cheap.

But I love the Bank even if its going to be a pain to put all my GBA dude into Pearl/SoulSilver then all of them into Black.
Good thing I can watch movie or something at the same time.

>>26520
... well it looks like I not only need to buy a copy of Black or White, but one of the DPP's... and then beat it.
Fuck my life.

>>26521
Wait, no; just a copy of Black or White (since B2W2 are more expensive)
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Migrating_from_ruby_to_soul_silver._What_exactly_needs_to_be_done

This week on Pokemon Smash Masuda is going to show us the same Mega Mewtwo well all know and love
ポケモンスマッシュ！
Or is it??

>>26530
Well back when MegaTwo was first shown, they said it would be one of its forms, so I can't say I'm too shocked here. Just means that some pokemon will have more than one Megastone most likely.

>>26520
For some months now I've been working on a list to easily track which of my games have which Pokemon and which ones I am missing (I extended it to all post-GBA games in case others would like to use it). I have Emerald, FireRed, SoulSilver, and Pearl, so it's going to take some time once the list is actually complete.

Starter evolutions, spoilered for anyone who wants to be surprised.

Oh god Chespin why are you a balloon, I might get Froakie instead now

>>26533
Never mind, I take that back.

Chespin might still end up a knight since Fennekin looks like a mage and Froakie looks like a thief and those were the ideas /vp/ has been throwing around since the beginning. Knight Chespin is all I ever wanted.

More new Pokemon. Won't spoiler these, hope that's okay.
>dem dinosaurs

Fucking disgusting.

>>26533
>Ya blew it

>ow the edge

>>26535

Better than MegaMewtwo at least.

>>26533
>sultry bipedal fox with a skirt
No way this won't be the next big new flavor of the year for a certain "fandom".

>>26534
On second thought, the two on the bottom left are strong candidates. No idea what they're supposed to be though...

>>26535
OH SHIT FRIZA

>>26537
Because Garchomp needed more power.
I'm starting to wonder if that once touted fake list of megas is fake after all...

>>26534
Top right makes me think of a mean Agumon. So, yeah, we Digimon now.

>>26537
>No Gigain chainsaw chest
Missed opportunity

Paint a skull on its torso, change the blue to black and the red to silver, splash on a little blood and you have a good start for a fantasy death metal album cover

>Mewtwo has two Mega Evolutions! The latest one is called Mega Mewtwo X and is exclusive to Pokemon X. It is Psychic/Fighting, has Steadfast as its Ability, and its Mega Stone is called "Mewtwonite X." The original Mega Mewtwo is obviously called Mega Mewtwo Y, is exclusive to Pokemon Y, is Psychic-type, can learn Hypnosis, and its Mega Stone is called "Mewtwonite Y."

>Mega Garchomp has Sand Force as its Ability.

>Fairy-type is super effective against: Fighting, Dark, and Dragon; weak to: Steel and Poison; resists: Fighting, Dark, and Bug; is not very effective against: Steel, Fire, and Poison; and is immune to: Dragon

>Steel's Dark and Ghost-type resistances are gone now. (!)

>Hariboogu is Chespin's evolution, Grass-type, and learns Mud Shot. Teerunaa is Fennekin's evolution, is Fire-type, learns Psycho Cut, and has a twig in its broom-like tail (will it evolve into a witch or something?). Gekogashira, Froakie's evolution, is Water-type and learns Bounce.

>Two Fossil Pokemon are revealed: Chigorasu (the brown T. Rex) is a Rock/Dragon type has Hard Chin as its Ability, which increases the attack of moves involving the jaw, like Crunch. Amarusu (the blue Pokemon) is a Rock/Ice type and has Freeze Skin as its Ability, which changes all its Normal-type attacks to Ice-type attacks and boosts their power as well.

>Torimian, a white Normal-type Pokemon (the one from the Pokemon Direct), has Fur Coat as its Ability, which cuts the damage from moves that come into contact with it in half. A new game mechanic allows you to trim its fur to change its appearance. Round Eyes is a new Fairy-type attack it can learn. Nyaonikusu (Meowstick from the leaks), a Psychic-type cat, has major gender differences. Each gender has a different set of movepools, with the male's movepool being more aggressive and the female's being more supportive. The male can learn Miracle Eye whereas the female can learn Extrasensory (the female is on the left, the male is on the right). Nyaonikusu has Keen Eye or Infiltrator as its Abilities. (the two Pokemon on the left of >>26534 )

>For some reason Parting Shot, Geomancy, and Oblivion Wing are listed as unknown types (???) even though Geomancy was originally announced as a Fairy-type move and Oblivion Wing was announced as a Dark-type move.

>There are five scientists associated with Team Flare: Kuseroshiki, Momiji, Bara, Akebi, and Kolea. Team Flare's goal is to create a beautiful new world. (They are probably dicks about it though)

>You can customize your clothes and hair at a Salon/Boutique. A famous actress named Karune helps you.

>The first X/Y TCG sets will be named Collection X and Collection Y.

>Clemont and the female playable character are seen in the XY anime promotional poster with Ash. Will they be his new traveling companions?

SCIENCE!
Now with more miniskirts!

>>26541
>>26533
>Teerunaa is Fennekin's evolution, is Fire-type, learns Psycho Cut, and has a twig in its broom-like tail
Huh... Hoping it'll turn out to be fairy; but a witch Pokemon sounds pretty cool. Even cooler if the three starters end up as western Sword and Sorcery RPG character archetypes

>>26534
Guess it would fit in with the whole Fighting/Dark/Psychic secondary triangle that's also rumored, if Chespin is Fighting, Fennekin is Psychich, and Froakie is Dark.

...You know what?
No. I hate this gens designs. They are awful. I was trying to give them a chance, some of them look kinda cute, but good God so many of these suck to me.
>>26533
Why is a stick just coming out of its tail?

>>26545

It's a broom handle. Because its tail is a broom. Because it's a witch.

Also ur opinion sux lol

>>26546
>Also ur opinion sux lol
It's allowed to suck. It's an opinion.

The broom tail looks dumb as hell.

>>26547

I think your opinion is dumb as hell.

and I'm allowed to say that cause it's my opinion.

>>26549
Yeah. I know.

>>26545
Actually I thought almost all of the new mons were great until this latest update.

Pokémon X and Pokémon Y: Evo…

>character customization
Yes, you can cross-dress.

>>26552
Oh wait maybe not, I just realized the poses differ so it's probably a girl. How sad.

I just had a dream where Chespin would evolve into a head of lettuce.

>>26546
It's a witch, but it's not a broom handle.
It's a magic wand.

>>26557
Well... that's kind of dumb then.
Why not have it just hold the "wand" rather than jamming it in its tail if it can come out like that?
Eh... maybe it'll get a broom for its final evo.

>>26559
Because then it looks like a broom handle.

>>26559
It's tail is the "straw" of the broom handle this is actually a rather impressive thing to miss.

It still strikes me as kinda sloppy and cumbersome from a design perspective. Hopefully her final form will look more coherent.

http://pokebeach.com/2013/09/evolutions-aurorus-and-tyrantrum-revealed-new-xy-tid-bits

Tyrantrum's getting a permaspot on my team.

>>26567
>after capturing a Pokemon, the Pokemon you used to battle it will now receive experience points!
Okay, so that's one of my long-standing complaints addressed. Still not enough to make me get X/Y, though.

>>26567
>An interview between Gamefreak and gaming website Polygon has revealed that Pokemon introduced in X and Y will NOT have Mega Evolutions.
...what

>>26569
Don't want to ugly up the new guys just yet.

>>26570
It was revealed at some point that Mega evolutions are unique to the region and the tower may play a big roll in them... so why the hell would the pokemon native to the region not have mega evos?

>>26571
They are already naturally mega and their original forms are now lost to time.

>Team Flare's goal is to create a beautiful new world.
So they're a slightly less pretentious Team Galactic. Dollars to donuts they'll play with the "the real beauty is inside you"/ "just be yourself" / etc. trope at some point in the story.

>>26571
I stand by what I said.

>>26573
Don't forget that they'll just be totally evil mustache twirling complete bastards and instead lack any degree of sympathetic resonance/ understanding with the player.

So, I can't be the only one pissed off at the new DLC Torchic can I? I mean really? It wasn't bad enough they do timed event exclusive Pokemon (needed to complete your Pokedex), but now they're doing it with items too?

>>26578
Well at least they're handing it out.
They plain forgot to find a good time to give away the lock capsule.
I guess they realized it was going to be hard to sell an event that gives away an item that does nothing until the next generation comes out.

New rumors:
http://pokebeach.com/2013/09/new-set-of-x-and-y-rumors

>>26582
>Fairy Dunsparce
Eeeeeeeeeeee :3
Too bad an evolution is unlikely to be in the works.

Gamefreak really just needs to get over themselves and admit their games aren't perfect and give stat buffs to Pokemon that need them rather than just trying to fix things with evolutions.

Seriously? And this is as someone who actually likes Honedge.

>>26589
Absolutely disgusting.
I just hope its only a 2 stage-er. 'cause evolite, ya' know?

>>26589
>Sword evolves into two swords
>Two-headed bird evolves into three-headed bird
>Brown lump evolves into three brown lumps with angry eyes
Seems pretty par-for-the-course.

>>26589
Just wait until Triblade that can learn Tri Attack is revealed.

Am I the only one who thinks it looks sort of like a torso with arms? So maybe a 3 sword evo would be like a more complete body. If I had any talent at image manipulation at all I would have made something better than this pic. Basically the "head" would be a bigger Honedge and the legs would be bigger tassel arm thingies.

>>26591
Which is a shame because those are the worst.

http://pokebeach.com/2013/09/rumor-new-pokemon-greninja-hawklucha-and-binacle-revealed
If these are legit I'm definitely sticking with Froakie. Just hope the crazy folks won't turn Hawlucha into a Lucario based on the fact that its feathers look kind of like a camel toe or anything though.

>>26598
No, the new furbait is the fire starter. No contest.

All right!
Pre-ordered X!
I'm not really that hyped about it, but I decided to give it a try.
I'll still be playing Animal Crossing a lot though.

IT'S HAPPENING

Spoilers: http://instagram.com/kosthedin

>>26603
Guess I'm staying away from Pokemon-related places for the next two weeks.

Please, someone tell me that Chespin's third evo is decent. That's all I need to know. I don't want a picture, just confirmation that it looks decent in a way that's either goofy or badass

>>26604
No starter evos yet.

Pokémon X and Pokémon Y: Mega Charizard X!

>>26607
So aside from Clauncher; they're just going to give Pokemon Y all the good stuff aren't they?

>>26604
Nope, it's terrible and Furfox's is even worse. I feel validated in my choice of Froakie. All of its evos are at least decent if not amazing, and better than the Oshawott line.

>>26609
>They all look fine
>The tears still fall like rain because they aren't what people imagined they'd look like

>>26610
I came in with no expectations for any of the finals, but Delphox looks really lazy as hell, and Jaegernut would be cool if its proportions and stance weren't so bad.

I'M THE CHESNAUGHT BITCH

SO FUCKING EXCITED!!!!!! IT'S EVERYTHING I WANTED

>>26611
The transition seems a little extreme when you compare how the mid evolutions changed from the first forms.
We sure these aren't something like mega evolutions or something?

If real I'm going with Chesnaught, but I'm not all that impressed with the designs this gen.

Maybe I'm shallow, but I'm more for stats than looks. I mean, I still use pokes whose designs I like, but it's a chore having to make an entire team supporting them.

>>26611
Way to spoiler the spoiler faggot.

>>26615
Oh who even gives a shit. Nintendo's going to be slapping them everywhere anyway.

>>26611

It'll take some getting used to, but I suppose I'll go with the frog or the fox.

I think Chesnaught would be better if he had a different head. Right now, even though it has a serious expression, it's pretty cutesy.

Fox is ok, I wish the stick didn't disappear though.

I'm trying to wrap my head around how frog's tongue works. Is it coming out of the left side of his mouth or the right side?

>>26611
I was all set to dismiss Froakie but then they go and pull a toad ninja on me. Now I need him on a team with Shiftry and Shedinja.

>>26618
See, these are so much more believable.

>>26618
I think I like this fox a lot better. The long skirt, huge ear tufts, and lack of wand just don't look good.

>People hate the new designs for many, complex reasons.
>One is that the games have gone from being semi-grounded in overall design to being a lot more flashy.
>Another is that the aesthetic went from being 90s anime to modern.
>One is that both Pokemon and trainers are a lot more "bombastic" in their designs, leading to many pokemon looking overdesigned.
>Another is that the artists are plainly running out of ideas.
>Another is that they keep on trying to make new pokes into mascots, designing them to look more human and relatable, instead of just being animals.

>You can't explain this to modern fans without 7 essays and tons of image examples.
>You can't explain this to modern fans without being written off as a 'genwunner' or a 'nostalgia fag'.

>>26611
>Best starters in ages.
>Worst 3rd evolutions ever.

Fuck me.

>>26627

lol

Just shut up and quit the franchise you baby. There is such a thing as outgrowing something.

>>26627

In fact, let me deliver the finishing blow. Now get out.

>>26629
Sweet dick willy, what the fuck is this?

>>26629
It would look better if it didn't have actual keys on the bottom.

>>26629
Oh Lord.

>>26633
Okay. So those bottom keys aren't natural.

That's...better?

>>26634
What the hell are they supposed to be based off of anyway? Are they one of those 1000-year old objects come to like in Japanese mythology like wanyudos and kasa-obakes?

>>26635
Just...keyrings.

>Every time a pokemon is released that's based off a fucking object people complain
>Every. Single. Time.

>Nobody even raises a fucking eyebrow at the one that's just a round metal orb with an eyeball, three screws and a pair of fucking magnets.
>FUCKING. MAGNETS. HOW DOES THIS WORK?
>Oh wait it's okay cause it's apart of the original 150 so it gets a pass.

You people I swear sometimes.

>>26637
But I hate Magnimite.
It even has the worst kind of secondary evolution. That being to just add another one.

When did I ever say the original 150 where universally good?

>>26638
The important thing is that you're consistent.

>>26639
Well thank you.

>>26637
>strawman
>"These were shit too" *points to pokemon that aren't garishly overdesigned with 5 wings and 8 spikes*

I don't think you get it yet.

>>26641

>strawman

>You can't explain this to modern fans without 7 essays and tons of image examples.

>pokemon that aren't garishly overdesigned with 5 wings and 8 spikes*

Teach what you preach you piece of shit.

I was kind of looking forward to this current gen and most of the new Pokemon revealed up to Pyroar looked pretty good, but the new ones since then have been pretty ugly looking. Of the leaked designs the only ones I don't dislike are Binacle's mecha evo and that one cute goo dragon.

>>26642
>getting this mad at Moe

>>26642
>Typing up a legitimate response just to be countered with "b-b-but... genwunner... :("

>>26627
>>26628
Neither of you are gamers.

>>26645

lol

You think you deserve a legitimate response. I'll be over here enjoying my awesome monsters while you blubber incoherently like a flat earth creationist.

PS The Magnemite family are awesome and you guys suck. Litwick family too.

>>26646

>gamers

Everything else about this gen looks great, but some of these designs I do not care for at all. Think I'll just bother to catch the prior gens unless I find some particularly interesting ones from this gen.

>>26649
It's certainly better than the shitfest that was Gen 4, and most of the new Pokemon don't outright suck, but a lot of them aren't really that good either, and having mostly crappy looking starters isn't really helping its case. I still consider Gen 2 to have the best ratio of great to bad Pokemon designs.

>>26650

Personally I consider gen 2 to have the best ratio of "completely forgettable" to "wait that was from gen 2?" designs but whatever. If we only look at the amount pokemon we like, I'd probably rate them 5>1>6>4>2>3. If we only look at pokemon we hate, it'd probably be 6>5>4>3>1>2 (where 6 is the most hated and 2 is the least).

But the thing is who cares about the pokemon you hate. If I come across a Klefki I'm just going to box it and never use it ever. Same as a Mr. Mime or whatever. The only ones that matter are the ones you like, because you're actually going to be using them.

>Barbaracle
>The Nightmare Fuel Pokemon

>Having been tormented its entire life about its hideousness, this Pokemon grew to resent the Human race and now exists only to bring about its utter destruction.

Sudden realization: With Greninja confirmed as Water/Dark, team starter (Bulba/Torchic/Froakie) is all set to go with no type overlaps! Water/Fire/Grass/Dark/Fighting/Poison

With such a wide selection of pokes my team of 12 different types, only one poke from each generation team might happen. I mean it probably won't because there are so many neat things I want to try but it's POSSIBLE at least.

I don't know why but I just can't get over how ridiculously cute Goomy looks. Pumpkaboo kitty is also pretty great.

>>26629
What the ever-loving fuck.

Now I won't be surprised if a plant-type hat rack is revealed.

There's a lot more mega pokes than I thought there'd be. Something tells me they'll either be overpowered or useless for taking up the item slot, probably both depending on the poke.

>>26647
>>26652
>The Ugly Binacle

Everyone died not because of its ugliness, but because it evolved and killed them all.

>>26657
I'm sure the ugliness helped.

>>26666
Too fucking cute.

>Less than 70 new Pokemon
>Barely any new ground or poison types
>Level and difficulty curve laughable
>No challenge mode
>Endgame is just a battle tower and a safari zone
wow it's fucking nothing.
A+ 10/10 gamefreak.

>>26668
What about everything else?

>>26668
It does take a while to add all that stuff you know.
They need a product now and then they'll have time to work on the good stuff to have it ready for Pokemon X2 and Y2.

So that leak was some idiot game store employee (looking for work now, I'm sure) giving his friend the game early. Then Nintendo came and took it away.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/nintendo-takes-back-leaked-pokemon-x-cart-flying-culprit%E2%80%99s-hometown

>>26670
You think they're gonna add anymore new Pokemon for the sequel?

>people are complaining about not enough new Pokémon
>they don't care that Game Freak doesn't bother balancing all the crap that already exists

Pokémon fans deserve what they get. They are too stupid to demand better.

>>26673
We've long sense accepted that they're never going to balance it.

>>26670
>It does take a while to add all that stuff you know.
Like all those ugly megaevolutions, pokemonami, slow battles, and a world that can't even handle the 3DS' name feature.

>>26674
This.
It's been 6 gens and their only solution to bring old Pokemon up to current gen expectations is to mess around with their egg and TM pools. Maybe give them an evolution or a mega, but it doesn't fix most of these Pokemons core problems which are terrible stats.

>>26668
Don't forget 3 electric types.
Honestly the lack of new Pokemon is more frustrating simply because there are still a lot of type combinations that have yet to be covered, but Gamefreak keeps shoveling out the same combinations.

>>26670
So we should be happy and eagerly gobble up yet another half finished product in the meantime?
Personally I've canceled my pre-order. I'm real tired of Game Freak pulling this shit. Introduce a new feature like challenge mode, then promptly take it away, or clipping out Gym Leader rematches completely and saving them (yet again) for the next wave of games this gen.

So unless they do a slew of free DLC, I have surpassed my tolerance threshold for this.

>>26673
>>26674
Adding the Fairy type was about balancing, by reducing the supremacy of the Dragon type. While we're not certain of the mechanics yet, right now it's looking like dual type moves are going to also work toward balancing, by giving STAB moves that deal different damage types so, for example, Fighting type Pokemon have effective ways of dealing with Ghost types.

It sounds like you're not talking about balancing, you're talking about homogenization. What, you want all final-evolution Pokemon to have the same stat totals or something? What's the point in having this many Pokemon if they're all equally usable? Part of the fun of the game is figuring out effective ways to use seemingly non-competitive Pokemon, like Smeargle.

>>26677
Fairy types where a nice thought and all, but it wouldn't kill them to go back and give say, 7 more points in all of Beedrills or any of the other trash-tier Pokemons stats to make them a little more viable.
A good movepool can only take you so far if you don't have even half the stats to back it up.
Their policy seems to be "Well that one old Pokemon is pretty bad... how about we just make a new one rather than try to fix the old one? We can fill our quota much easier."

>>26677
>It sounds like you're not talking about balancing, you're talking about homogenization. What, you want all final-evolution Pokemon to have the same stat totals or something?

Because there is currently exactly one good team and other options are all objectively inferior, right? After all, everything that isn't crap must be exactly the same!

Why do you accuse me of wanting to destroy any difference between Pokémon? You don't actually believe that making currently useless Pokémon viable in some way can only be done by making them copies of already good Pokémon. Do you have any more idiotic assumptions you would like to put into my mouth?

It is possible to have variety in a game without objectively inferior options existing. Pokémon is not the only game in existence and it sure isn't the best one.

>Smeargle

Terrible example. Smeargle already has a mechanical purpose and would still have it even if it couldn't be used in battles at all. It doesn't need any changes, unlike a lot of other Pokémon.

>>26673
>muh balance

Pokemon has never had balance, because the amount of people who give a shit about the meta are even smaller than the amount of people who play grand strategy. When I reach the endgame, I usually just catch the legendaries and then focus on the beauty contests and breeding.

The actual combat in pokemon games was always shitty. Stadium was probably the only time it was ever legitimately fun for me. I can't imagine there's a huge audience in favor of "fixing" it when so many better collection/grinding RPGs like Disgaea, DQM, and Megaten exist.

>>26668
>Less than 70 new pokemon
They better not be counting Megas.

>>26680
So, you're saying that most of the people who would have cared about the sort of game Pokémon had a chance of becoming moved on to better games?

>>26680
>They better not be counting Megas.
Thankfully they're not.

>>26680
Mega evolutions don't count since they're not actual evolutions since they're in-battle only and don't have Pokedex entries.
That said, numbers are currently showing that MegaGarchomp has, by far and away, the best Attack stat out of every single Pokemon. Get ready to break out of Ubers and into the Elder-God tier.

>>26681
There are still a few sad people holding out hope for something better. I pity them.

>>26684
>Not waiting for the 3rd game in a gen so you can actually get the complete game rather than a "rushed" beta.
People never learn, least of all Pokemon fans.

>>26684
Preorder canceled.

>>26686
There's an Over 9000 reference too.
Then again old dated meme's are nothing new for Pokemon localizations.

>>26685
I don't know why it took me so long to get this, but you're right. Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, B2/W2 were all great games. Their predecessors....not so much. I think I'm gonna wait for Zygarde's game and get a game that's been polished a bit more

>>26684
I don't get it. What's the problem with fedoras?

>>26690
The problem is actually with trilby's, but the people that wear them call them fedoras because they're clods. These people are usually neckbeards who whine about women because they only ever get friendzoned and will love to tell you how much of an intellectually superior specimen of the human race they are simply because they are enlightened atheists.

Pretty much just imagine your stock pimple faced trench coat wearing highschool neckbeard and then give that person the most pretentious attitude possible.

That's it. I'm just gonna wait for pkmn Z.

>>26692
I can't believe it's not Dragon/Bug type.

>>26693
Of course not.
That would be a unique and interesting typing.

>>26692
I will be so angry if thats happens instead of X2 & Y2.

>>26695
Why?

>>26695
>3DS
>XY & Z
>Three planes of motion in a 3D environment are X, Y, and Z
Come on, at least TRY

>backstory of Kalos was there was a huge war involving mass Pokemon genocide
>Team Flare's motive is to sacrifice the souls of thousands of Pokemon to fire a superweapon that would nuke Kalos back into the Stone Age

That would explain the preponderance of new ghost Pokemon and a lack of new species in general.

>>26698
Thank you for using spoilers

>>26692
Not so much to you
Also Gamefreak really just needs to fuck off with Dragon types; especially legendaries and psudos

>>26678
Beedrill is an early peaker. It is designed to be a powerful player for the early game, and be replaced by better Pokemon as you get further in the game.

It's important to remember that a lot of Pokemon are designed around and balanced toward the single player game, rather than being made for multiplayer. Early evolution doesn't mean anything in multiplayer, but it can mean a lot in the single player game.

>>26700
Which is why GameFreak should really consider reevaluating that premise.
The single player aspect has always been easy as shit. Sometimes more-so than others.
That's why the challenge mode was great. If gave you a chance for an actually challenge in the game. Unfortunately you had to beat the game first and also they removed it in XY because, as always, it's two steps forward, three steps back for new gens.

As for Beedrill, I only used it as an example and as far as BW is concerned, evolution doesn't exist under 40 anyway.

>>26701
How would you propose making a game like Pokemon "difficult?" It's a menu-based RPG. The only two options really are low-difficulty or high-grind. Especially in something with options as limited in scope as Pokemon--improving the AI isn't really going to make much of a difference in difficulty, so it's pretty much just raising the levels or the stats of enemies.

They've elected to not rely on grind, which makes sense as they're targeting children primarily. So what choice do we have for a low-grind, high-difficulty menu-based RPG?

I think expanding the move pool to six moves, or maybe making it so that your Poke can switch between two dedicated move pools without overlap would make the game a lot more interesting and less tedious due to having more room to experiment with play styles.

>>26698
Dat second spoiler. Taking that as true, WHY? Every other Teams end goal in some way lead the Leader to be be better off than he was before. How would nuking the region lead to the leader gaining more powah? Does Team Flare have vaults or something?

>>26702

>The only two options really are low-difficulty or high-grind.

Hue. Play some Megaten, scrub.

>>26703

Every pokemon can learn all it's moves and get all its EVs at once. You pick 4 moves and 510 EVs for battle. Call it "battle strategies" or whatever. Boom, every problem solved. It even solves the HM problem since you can just teach a poke an HM and don't pick it for battle.

>>26704
They're a bunch of Nazi analogues who want to remake the world in the image of what they consider beautiful. They feel society has become too materialistic and obsessed with wealth or something apparently.

>>26703
Or the "move pool" is up to eight different moves, and the moves available in battle can be set up any time outside of battle (or only at Pokecenters, if they want to be force more forward thinking.) Maybe you can switch out moves during battle, but it costs you a turn...

>>26697
But the only 3D we get is in the battles.

>>26705
I have. Like any other turn based RPG, sufficient grinding makes it easy.

>>26700
If the game is "balanced" for single-player then why did Dragons need a counter-type? Dragons are late-game monsters, and for a single-player game they'd be supposed to be overpowered.

Seems like incoherent design to me.

>>26702
>How would you propose making a game like Pokemon "difficult?"

While not really that difficult, making battles in the main game more like Pokémon Stadium (i.e. opponents with actual teams instead of random underleveled junk) would be a big improvement.

>They've elected to not rely on grind, which makes sense as they're targeting children primarily.

Wouldn't mindless busywork be more appropriate for children (since they lack the experience to recongize grinding for what it is)?

>>26705
>Megaten

Are the main series games better in that aspect than Persona 3 and 4? Even without level threshold for fusing better demons you'd still need to grind for better skills.

>>26696
Well I did not want to rant but...
I waited for "Gray" last time around and that ended great did it not.
Espeally with me being really anal about playing games "in order".
So if they brake this new 2 trend and bring out a Z(the coolest letter) in green(my fav color), I WILL FLIP A TABLE!
And still buy it...

All you have to do to make pokemon more challenging is take away all of the safeguards pokemon has:

-Instead of only being jumped by wild pokemon in tall grass, you get jumped everywhere (like how caves work) except cities.
-Wild pokemon attack in groups of 2-6. Not like horde battles either; every one of them is a full power wild pokemon. These are pre-set enemy groups that might have some form of strategy (for example, 3 Golbats might spam confuse ray at you to prevent you from attacking 2 selfdestructing Gravelers). In exchange, you use 3-4 pokemon in battle.
-Repels are less effective. They only reduce the amount of wild pokemon encounters. In exchange, pokemon roam the field and they have to touch you to enter battle. However, they are very aggressive and difficult to dodge.
-Big dungeons like Viridian Forest and Rock Tunnel between every town, replacing the wussy nearly empty routes. No doctors halfway through. More random dungeons like the Lavender Town pokemon tower and Silph co.

And some exclusive to pokemon:

-All trainers have a full team. In exchange, there are less trainers in dungeons, but no too many less.
-Going into a Gym locks you in like at the Elite 4. Gym leaders have 2 or 3 pokemon that cover their weaknesses, and their specialty pokemon have good coverage moves.

Bonus Change: A significantly more radical version of Gen 5's exp formula that makes leveling beyond enemy levels extremely difficult but makes catching new pokemon up trivial.

Basically, what makes pokemon easier than most RPGs is that there is very little attrition (which means there is little resource management) and that you pretty much only fight battles on your own terms. With these changes you are constantly in danger, but also able to quickly build teams for certain situations. If it gets balanced right nobody would ever forget that Escape Ropes exist ever again!

god I'm so unhyped for gen 6 that I'm making my own gen 6 in my head

>>26712
Let us break away, Anon, and create our Generation. With blackjack, and hookers.

In fact, forget the Generation.

>>26712
>Instead of only being jumped by wild pokemon in tall grass, you get jumped everywhere (like how caves work) except cities.

Fuck no, uncontrollable random encounters are the worst kind of artificial difficulty. The rest are OK.

>>26715
Honestly that's not so much of an issue if the game has wild pokemon visible all the time instead of true random encounters

>>26715

Random encounters are gross. Abolish random encounters. What I mean is relentless onscreen enemies.

I guess since I'm going full "impossible delusion" mode anyway, it'd be neat if they had different behaviors. Like, *small rodent shadow* would hunt you down, *small bird shadows* would come at you in groups, while *small bug shadow* would ambush you when you get under a tree to pick up an item ball.

hey guys hey guys pokemon X and Y come out in 2 days!
you ready for an amazing adventure in the world of pokemon!?
no? nobody?
ok.

>>26717
Ya those are ok

>excited?
>No gym rematches
>No challenge mode
>fewest number of new Pokemon added yet (would be trivial if not for...)
>No rebalancing of old pokemon
>Reportedly one of the easiest and shortest games yet
>Buying it anyway in a vain attempt to try and reconnect with friends since I have none in Gainesville
>Pre-ordered X
>New Y exclusive seahorse evolves into dragon/poison
>my face when

>>26719
>No gym rematches
>No challenge mode
>fewest number of new Pokemon added yet
>Reportedly one of the easiest and shortest games yet
Okay. There's no way I'm touching this now.

I'm actually quite glad it was leaked.

>>26720
Did you really need more new Pokemon? It was already over 600 and the selection of available Pokemon in a single game is the highest it has ever been so verity isn't an issue. What kills me is that they didn't bother to try and rebalance any of the old ones. AGAIN.
They added some really interesting things like Mega Evolutions (which should have gone to weaker Pokemon), Poke Ami (which will be gone next gen; shocker), and super training for easier EV boosting.
On the other hand GameFreak keeps stripping features out like rematches that are only in the second wave of a generation. That's bullshit and everyone knows it.
I'm hoping for DLC since Nintendo can finally do that now; however it'll probably just be timed event exclusive legendaries and megastones.

I'm buying it, and I'm giving it a day to impress me. If it fails to impress; the game will suddenly fail to save my games and I'll return it for a refund and most likely wash my hands of this tripe forever.

It's not so much the fact they only have 70. Its that so many of them look really dull and I was banking on the idea that I would have a bigger pool to pick out some decent ones.

But really, hearing that it's shorter, easier, and doesn't even utilize the 3D out of battles (I'm actually one of the people that use the 3D all the time and was looking forward to seeing the world with depth.) And things like pokemonami and the stupid looking megaevolutions really aren't pulling me in.

This whole thing seems to be a case of style over substance, only I hate the style. Oh well. Maybe the sequel will be better.

>>26721
I'm more annoyed that most of the new Pokemon seem to be pretty terrible stats-wise, plus their designs are mostly crummy. I'd rather they focus on making a few Pokemon with interesting typings and are useful than a glut of new trash that I won't be using anyway, and unfortunately the new generation is neither.

Oh man oh man maybe I'll end up getting one of these games after all. You can tell just by looking at it that it hates, and possibly hungers. 10/10 design would murder children with again.

>>26725
>Houndoom is X exclusive
>Houndoonite is Y exclusive
>YFW you'll never troll as hard as GF

I got it too and its first fail is not having red plastic for the cartridge.
I miss that...

>>26726
Version exclusives getting megastones? It's more likely than you think.
11 hours remain

>>26727

That hasn't been a thing for like 2 gens dude.

Well I guess pokemon black but that doesn't count.

>>26728
> they could have looked worse they could have gotten the heracross treatment.

Damn this version is disappointing by the minute. I can see why Nintendo got so fucking worried the designs look awful. I hope volcarona has no mega.

>>26730
>Pokemon disappointing
HOLY SHIT STOP THE PRESSES
This is totally unlike the last 3 gens.

>>26725
And it is clearly a flying/ bug type. Good. We needed more of that.
its ability is rumored to turn normal moves it uses into flying type

>>26731
They had issues but this is a lot worse than the last three gens put together.

>>26732
>Bzzzzt!
"What are things people say about every new gen?"

You're right though. Fucking keychains man

Wow. We sure do whine about a lot of things without even playing it.

>>26735
I complain about the things I've seen. Not about what I have not seen or played.
Please pay attention.

>>26729
The same can be said about other flaws.
But I love the minigame and petting.
And miss the following from Soulsilver.
I waited for that for so long after seeing it in Yellow and now its gone again...

>>26737
Would you rather have a sprite follow you while being able to press A to poke it or whatever OR would you like to be able to pet and interact with them like ami does for you?
In any case, that shit's gone next gen anyway.

>>26738

Follower. I'm purposefully not going to amie because it has in-battle benefits. Trying to squeeze as much difficulty out of this rock as is practical.

MegaPinsir base stats looking like 65/155/120/65/90/105 using my shitty calcs.

>>26739
Well if you ever want anything that has happiness as an evolution requirement good luck.
Me I will enjoy petting my foxslut and eventually my Feraligator bro from SS.

>>26740
>Sharp rocks dig into Mega Pinsir!
I'm looking forward to using him, but his typing is a pretty big liability and I'm not sure a flying Return is going to be worth it. We'll see though.

>>26741

But rocks won't dig into Mega Pinsir. They'll dig into normal Pinsir. It already resists ground so no immunity isnt a big deal.

>>26741
>Well if you ever want anything that has happiness as an evolution requirement good luck.
Do walking, leveling, and items not work anymore?

>>26712

>-Instead of only being jumped by wild pokemon in tall grass, you >get jumped everywhere (like how caves work) except cities.
>-Wild pokemon attack in groups of 2-6. Not like horde battles either; every one of them is a full power wild pokemon. These are pre-set enemy groups that might have some form of strategy (for example, 3 Golbats might spam confuse ray at you to prevent you from attacking 2 selfdestructing Gravelers). In exchange, you use 3-4 pokemon in battle.
>-Repels are less effective. They only reduce the amount of wild pokemon encounters. In exchange, pokemon roam the field and they have to touch you to enter battle. However, they are very aggressive and difficult to dodge.
>-Big dungeons like Viridian Forest and Rock Tunnel between every town, replacing the wussy nearly empty routes. No doctors halfway through. More random dungeons like the Lavender Town pokemon tower and Silph co.

You could've said this all a lot faster by just saying:

>I wish I was playing Final Fantasy 6 instead of Pokemon

https://vine.co/v/hHgHq3Lp6n0

http://www.gametrailers.com/reviews/na07ps/pokemon-x---pokemon-y-review
I agree with this so far.

So basically you can have the wifi club on at all times, that's pretty neat.
I've been throwing my pass powers at random people in order to level them up.

Probably my favourite gen since 3. I love the new additions, the upgrades, the story, etc.

Even the minigames are fun as hell

>>26751
>The minigames
God help me... I'm not even at the third gym and already I have a fully EV trained Farfetch'd, Finneken, and Honedge... I can't stop. And petting my Pokemon and feeding them? Oh god it's like crack...

>talking about what version to get
>everyone's talking about getting Y, because everyone will get X
>everyone gets Y
>EXCEPT for me
>now everyone needs my assistance to trade
>set up favor system for Pokemon
>have people doing my homework and buying me lunch for the next few weeks
The Muppets - Maniacal Laugh

>Vivillon's wing patterns.
>Separated by IRL nation, and in some cases, regions.
>Canada has three, maybe four regions.
>United States has fuck if I know how many.
>Best patterns are in Norway and fucking India.

It's almost as if Game Freak wants me to have an aneurysm.

I like O Powers, they're easier to use than Pass Powers
It made us all playing at once more interactive since we could ask everyone else to load us up on Pass Powers to get through a difficult battle.

>>26637
There's a line between GEEWUN and not being able to criticize anything without BUH MUH MAGNETON.

At least Magnemite wasn't a literal magnet with a face on it. And Magneton had a fairly realistic reason why it's three Magnemite.

>>26758
And I'm pretty sure Dugtrio is no one's favorite in terms of design.

>No postgame
>Catching Zygarde
>Catching the roaming Legendary birds
>Catching Mewtwo
>Finding all the hidden mega stones after the upgrade
>Rematch against Serena
>The battle mansion
>The other battle thingy where you can also rematch the gym leaders
>The Looker quests
>NO. POSTGAME. CONTENT.
>2013

>Dedenne
>Super cute, super cool
>Resistant to electric, flying, fighting, bug, dark, immune to dragon.
>Only weak to poison and ground.
>STABs with no redundant coverage.
>No evo

Fuck you John Gamefreak. Emolga was bad enough but this time you've gone too far. Pikachu is a three stage family dammit

>>26761

*is IN a three stage family

>>26761
And just like Pikachu and its clones, its movepool and stats are nowhere near memorable or noteworthy.
At best it will only ever be UU.

>>26763

Ha. Now there's optimism. It's never going to be anything more than mid-NU, at best. I wish GF would have made it more like Marill instead of just more junk.

Pokemon Company really hearts Lucario, don't they.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/696959-pokemon-x/67488169?page=17
>If you save in Luminose City in the streets, you'll glitch up and be frozen where you saved.
>You can save inside buildings and possibly in front of doors
>Only way to fix it until a possible patch comes out is to reset your fucking game.

I think my friend saved in Luminose. I need to talk to her ASAP.

>>26766
... how the fuck do you miss something like that when you're testing?

>>26767
They all always save in the Pokemon Centre, too.

>>26767
By not performing a save data sweep for all areas after the final-final build.

>>26766
I keep feeling more and more vindicated about skipping.

Known Megas:
http://www.serebii.net/xy/megaevolutions.shtml

>>26772
...and we're sure this is a one time thing right?

>>26773
The stones are reusable, but once you've used one Mega Evolution, you can't use another in the same battle.

I mean generation wise.

>>26776
It's gamefreak so who the fuck knows?
The story has them tied specifically into that region and the tower in the center of one of the cities.

Also wondertrading. It's fun, until you get a japanese pokemon because all they do is trade common fresh caught garbage.

>>26777

I only wondertraded once. Gave a Skitty (because cats hunt rabbits, get it?), got connected to a Japanese player. IT'S ON.

Got a Wailmer instead. Sorry Japfriend.

>>26778
>>26777
>WonderTrade with Candadian
>Get a Skitty
>It's Male
>Has Normalize
>Nature is detrimental
>Tailwhip, Foresight, Attract, Tackle
>Make it forget Tackle for Protect
>WonderTrade it again
>Japanese player
>ohboyherewego.jpg
>Flabébé
>Start spamming him with "NICENICENICENICE"

>>26772
Mega Alakazam and Mega Heracross are actually kind of cool.

Some of the MEvos are cool but if given the choice I would still sacrifice every single one of them for an equivalent number of new pokes.

>>26781
Given how poorly Gamefreak handled a fair share of the new Pokemon (especially fairies in general)I have to respectfully disagree.
Rather I wish more/ different Pokemon got Megas since they have made it DAMN clear they will never bother to try and rebalance the stats on any Pokemon.

Still no love for Farfetch'd. Seems that every standard Pokémon from RBY that had no evolution line has one or a Mega form except the lovable duck soup... (well, and Lapras and Tauros.)

>>26781
That just means we'd've gotten Bidoof #3 and Pidgey #4, like in Black and White. So many of those Pokémon were insanely generic and clones of already-existing, generic Pokémon.

I would have rather seen the MEvos stick around, but turn into branching evolution paths (hopefully with more design attention than "we added spikes and horns!") So instead of using the Whateverstone to turn Alakazam into Mega Alakazam once during battle, you would level up a Kadabra while hopping on one foot or something and it evolves into Prestopocus.

...Actually, considering the accelerometers in the 3DS, Gamefreak could have made a requirement for evolving a Pokémon to be shaking the 3DS, but this would have been novel and have hilariously unfortunate consequences.

Most mega evos are terribly designed. Just adding more of what it is, and not in any good way. Gives me an x-treeme 90s vibe.

>>26783
>considering the accelerometers in the 3DS, Gamefreak could have made a requirement for evolving a Pokémon to be shaking the 3DS
Did gen 6 not have enough one-off gimmick evolution methods for you?

>>26784
This. It's basically spikes everywhere.

>>26785
No.

>>26785
>Did gen 6 not have enough one-off gimmick evolution methods for you?
Having not played X/Y and not read into the Pokemon deeply, I'm not aware of this gen's gimmick methods. What did they do this time?

It looks like for the X and Y series, the EX mechanic will return, but expand to include Pokemon that can Mega Evolve instead of just being Legendaries only.
EX cards that always count as Basic Pokemon so you don't need to sink 4 turns into playing your Mega Charizard X/Y

>>26786

>>26791
Go back to your scarf shops monster!

http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/user/L-390-8033-W/timeline

>>26790
SUPERMEGAULTRA POWERCREED GO!


>Be WonderTrading last night
>Not even on second gym yet
>Trade a box of Zangoose with Hone Claws and Shadow Claw and Drifloons
>Japanese players keep giving me garbage
>Down to the last few
>Receive Trapinch, Noibat, Axew, Gible, and Goomy right after one another
>HOLY SHIT
>Give each of them a Nice! + level 2 capture O power
>Walk into the grass
>It's a godamn Bagon
>Catch it
>Go to the caves and get the Jaw fossil because T-Rex
>It's a godamn dragon too
>Adamant Nature
I have never raised a dragon Pokemon, but now I have a shitload of them... should I try and do a mono run or what?

Finally got the game. All I have to say is that, while I was incredibly disappointed with everything I had seen and heard about it, it's actually really fun to just play. It's fun to move around on skates and pet pokemon and shoot soccer balls and dress up. And it's great how big the pokemon selection is. I've only been playing 10 hours and I've already stalled on the badge quest just trying to catch everything in all the routes. Wondertraded once and got a Litwick, too embarrassed at my currently shitty pokemon collection to try any more. Maybe when I breed some Bulbasaur I'll start sending them out.

People like Bulbasaur, right?

>>26795
>Leech Seed and Ingrain
Yes I like Bulbas.

Also I feel you on that; I am only one badge deep and already I have two boxes filled with Pokemon and have been spending all my time Catching, EV training, petting, and WonderTrading and I got the damn thing during a Midnight Release.

Pokémon Amie: Matt's Expert T…

Apparently some old pokemon DID get some stat retcons. Beedrill and Butterfree have been spotted with too much Attack/Special Attack, respectively.

Do we make a separate thread for Vivillon collecting? Would really kill for a Monsoon or a Tundra at some point...

Stats have been crunched and are within the "reasonable margin of error"
http://serebii.net/pokedex-xy/

>>26801

Kalos, the Everyone's Stats Suck region. Seriously I can count the ones that aren't absolute balls on one hand. It's so bad that the conspiracy theorist in me says that they might be leaving them intentionally shitty so they can evolve them later.

>>26802
So, even adjusting for the low number of new Pokemon, it's about the same as every other gen?
Ok then.

>>26803

With a rough and quick count, and ignoring box legends, I counted 25 in Unova and 7 in Kalos. That's a pretty big difference.

All other pokemon go home, it's over.

So have any of you seen the creepy girl in that one Lumiose building yet?

#666; the littlest god that could:

Vivillion
Modest nature
252 special attack
252 speed
4 in whatever you want
Compound Eyes
Sleep Powder
Quiver Dance
Hurricane
Bug Buzz

>90+ accurate Hurricane and Sleep Powder
Sweeps so hard it has a secondary job as a maid taking out the trash.

>>26801
I was really hoping that dragalgae was going to be decent. Oh well, gogoat still falls within useable, and he's one of my favorite designs.

On a whim I decided to grab Pokemon X today ( I wanted Mewtwo X since I like Fighting Type 'mons) and... Holy fuck, this game is hand-holdy as fuck. I mean, shit, I've been playing this game since I was eight, pretty much, I know what the fuck I'm doing, guy. You don't have to throw four hanger-ons on me at once, goddamn. Apparently Black & White 2 was worse?

I like that go you can gain experience while catching a pokemon.

On the other hand this game seems way too easy (You get your starter's element move right off the bat?!) and I feel like I'm tripping over all these goddamn Pikachus.

Seems pretty okay so far.

I'm so glad the id lottery is back.
I've been wonder trading pretty much everything I have away~

>>26810
This game definitely feels more hand holdy than previous games. Getting pokemon to love you via Poke Amie gives you massive in-game bonuses (bonus exp, extra critical chance, survive kos with 1 hp, a whole laundry list of benefits) and super training lets you EV train quickly without needing vitamins or pokerus.

I'm not complaining. People who wants more challenge can avoid Poke Amie and I'm glad EV training is more transparent.

>>26810
Black & White 2 were WAAAY worse.

How bad could Black and White 2 be?

>>26815
Modern shooter tier unskippable tutorials.

EVERYWHERE

>>26788
Inkay evolves when its level is above 30 and you hold the 3DS upside down when it levels up.

>>26788
Holding the 3DS upside down
Leveling up in the rain
Having a dark Pokemon with you
Max happiness is Pokeami
Level up with specific move (two Pokemon have this)

Keep in mind only 69 pokemon where added

>>26815

The only thing I really remember being bad about B2W2's early game was the unskippable movie making tutorial. I'm really glad XY got rid of the huge extraneous minigame that has nothing to do with the rest of the game. I'm also really glad they let you run from the start (seriously what do you mean you don't get THE ABILITY TO RUN right off the bat what the shit), even though they end up doing the same thing with the skates anyway.

I'm going to be so pissed when they invariably take away the skates next gen.

Aside from the actual Pokemon, what is the difference between the versions?

>100 TMs
>1 Fairy

10/10 GF

>>26813

I'm not too far in, so I haven't come across the Pokemon Amie thing yet. So far I like the game alright, I have noticed I'm mainly using my Torchic over my Froakie more (this may be due to some unresolved issues from my rom of Pokemon Emerald fucking up when I was halfway through and I lost all my progress and Sableyes) and there's a lot of improvements in the game (Exp share, skates, etc), but I do have some issues with the game that basically boil down to personal preferences. I wish the game was a little bit harder and I wish my rivals/friends were different/didn't exist. The latter has been an issue since gen 3, but I feel like it's been worse in gen 5 and now six. I really preferred it when your rival was more insulting/dismissive of you, rather than telling you how special and amazing you are all the time. It makes the battles with them feel more intense, like "Fuck, Blue, there's no way I'm letting myself loose to this scumbag" and it felt more meaningful to beat that jerk at the end of the game, and it forces them to acknowledge you. I don't know, I just started and already I feel like too many people are presiding me in game for winning a few fairly easy battles.

It's probably just nostalgia, but I kinda like the older games better where it feels like it's you and your battle pets against the wilderness and the mafia.

>>26822
Pokemon Amie is present from the second you get your Pokemon--you just have to change the touch screen HUD to the Pokemon Amie.

Things you can name your Aegislash besides 'Excalibur' and 'Masamune'

Oathkeeper. From Song of Ice and Fire. Brienne of Tarth's sword. It's twin sword is Widow's Wail, but that's too long to fit.

Hrunting: Beowulf's Sword

Vajra: Sword of Hindu god Indra

Mournblade and Stormbringer: Twin swords from Eternal Champion

Brightkiller: Lancelot's sword

Legbiter: Sword of the Viking King Magnus Barefoot

Caledfwlch: Excalibur's original name

Lightbringer: Another Game of Thrones sword, but damn near every piece of fiction set in a fantasy setting has a sword called Lightbringer. I'm pretty sure it's in Final Fantasy too.

Orcrist: Goblin-killing sword from The Hobbit.

Narsil

Confodore

Gladius

Ragnell

Ulfberht

Falchion

Galantine

Frostmourne

Zangetsu

Kitetsu

Kusanagi

Missiletainn

Sparda

Godric

Hexcalibur

Ragnarekt

Bansheeld

Espadoom

Claymourn

Fi

>>26825

I named mine Kas.

When he evolves I will re-name him Agni+Rudra.

Final one will be Harpe+Aegis

>>26823
I'll probably leave it off.

>>26825
>I'm pretty sure it's in Final Fantasy too.
Yeah, in the Final Fantasy 6 Advance re-translation of Final Fantasy 6, Illumina got retranslated as Lightbringer. The original name was most likely just a space constraint thing anyway.

>>26820
Anyone?

>>26818
>Holding the 3DS upside down
Oh, they actually did use the gyroscopes. Neat. Seems rather 4th wall for the game, though.

>Leveling up in the rain
Aside from the weather being random, this isn't much different from location- or time-of-day-evolution.

>Having a dark Pokemon with you
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mantyke_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29#Evolution

>Max happiness is Pokeami
Eh, they had to have something related to the gimmick du jour. Doesn't sound too different from Friendship, anyway.

>Level up with specific move (two Pokemon have this)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_that_evolve_with_certain_moves

So nothing terribly esoteric. These don't bother me near as much as other things about the game.

>Tyrunt used Bulldoze!
>The wild Roggenrola endured the hit
>The wild Roggenrola endured the hit
>The wild Roggenrola endured the hit
>The wild Roggenrola endured the hit
>The wild Roggenrola endured the hit
>The wild Roggenrola used Sand Attack
>The wild Roggenrola used Sand Attack
>The wild Roggenrola used Sand Attack
>The wild Roggenrola used Harden
>The wild Roggenrola used Sand Attack

I defended you, you piece of shit game. I defended you and THIS is how you repay me?

>>26830
Yeah, as it turns out amie friendship isn't the same friendship.
You can't trigger normal friendship evolutions with amie.

>Route 1 is literally just a 5 yard line between towns.
>Feel the compulsive need to max out Special Training as soon as I get a pokemon.
>I have made no actual progress.
Oh boy...

>>26833
Please see
>>26752

It has been a week and a few hours since I bought the game... and I JUST got the second badge.
Three boxes of Pokemon... and now Goomy eggs... all the fucking Goomy eggs...

>>26833
>>26834

Tell me about it. It almost feels like they're stuffing too many things for me to try out between Gym 1 and Gym 2. The Battle Maison, breeding, the fishing rod, the bike, berry farming, the hidden item detector, the fossils... all between Gym 1 and 2. Couple that with the amazing new Exp Share, and I accidentally overleveled my best pokes to 31+ before the second badge and lost control of them. I had to catch and train Scraggy with fighting moves to get the second badge.

>>26832
Yes you can. I did it with my Azurill.

>Low HP doesn't change the music.
Aww...

>>26837
Ya that was one of the few things I really liked about Black and White.
At least the beeping only lasts for a few seconds before disappearing this time though.

I finished the first gym and got to the central city, and I don't know why, but all my motivation to continue playing just vanished.

>>26840
That's usually what happens to me around gym 6
You'll put it down and then restart a few months later.
Until then, if you're sick of it for now and aren't that far along, I would LOVE to have any of your starters or megastones.

>Males can pass on secret abilities if bred with a female of the same species
>Females can pass on moves now
>Baton Bass Speedboost Blaziken
>Bellydrum Aquajet with Huge Power Azuril
>Potentially Cloyster with Water Shuriken

Behold the most random illogical buffs of all time

http://www.serebii.net/xy/updatedstats.shtml

Needed a buff: Alakazam
Totally fine: Luvdisc

The best part of Wonder Trade isn't getting some potentially awesome pokemon (Like a Level 47 Banette I can't use yet) but finally sharing my gift of naming my mans dumb names when I catch them with the entire world! I've traded with people from Japan, the States, England, and France so far, and I like to think that all of them were either upset or confused by what they got. Like the person in Osaka who got my Kakuna named "BEEEESSSS."

>>26845
OH GOD NO, NOT THE BEEEES! ANYTHING BUT THE BEEEEES! AAAARGHAAAAAH!!!!

>>26844
>Buff Beedrills attack
Yaaaay!
>Buff Scolipeeds attack who is a better Beedrill anyway making him still better in every way
Oh come the fuck ON

Also willing to bet that list isn't complete yet.

>>26844

Updates to the update chart! Notable additions: Staraptor's special defense, Azumarril's special attack.

im so happy omg

Ooh, babies can inherit Poké Balls from their mothers.
Finally the type of ball the Pokémon is in won't be a give away to if it has egg moves or not.

I didn't want to get cold.

>>26860

Maximum comfy achieved.
Postorder restored.

A woman in Lumiose's Boutique Couture mentioned there's a discount coupon for that store somewhere. Anyone know where it is?

>Receiving gift Pokemon still requires you to have room for it in your party
>STILL.

>>26863
Especially since they've shown they can implement the "your party is full. Make room for x?" thing when you get Xerneas. There is no reason the entire computer can't be on the bottom screen

I have a question for everyone. A serious question.

Why is it that, when arguing about which gen is the best, people pretend the new games don't ALSO have all of the improvements the old ones did?

Like someone will say that gen 4 is better than gen 5 because it did the physical/special split, but in gen 5 moves were also split into physical and special individually. Or, someone says gen 5 is better than gen 6 because it introduced infinite use TMs, but you can use TMs infinitely in gen 6, too. I actually saw someone say that gen 3 is the best because it introduced running.

Now this wouldn't bother me too much if people were talking about which gen had the best improvements. But when people say Ruby and Sapphire are better games than X and Y because you can run?

>>26865
Because they don't. For instance, (H)G/(S)S had an entire region as part of the after-game, day-based events, and the ability to bank some of your Pokedollars with your mom, all of which were things I greatly enjoyed.

D/P had the extremely useful Pokétch, but they got rid of that for B/W.

For actual battling or Pokemon stat adjustments, they will stick around (until they're adjusted again), so if that's all someone cares about then, yes, the games don't degrade in that area.

>>26865
>why do ... people pretend the new games don't ALSO have all of the improvements the old ones did?
Because they don't. See: Every single third game in a gen.

There are also things to consider such as difficulty curve, Pokemon selection, post-game, etc.
XY is fantastic; but its postgame is completely laughable.

Land's Wrath Ground Physical 90 100% 10
Earthquake Ground Physical 100 100% 10

What's up with Land's Wrath? They wouldn't make a legendary's signature move worse than a first generation attack that everyone and their mother gets, right?

>>26866
>>26867

Oops I undermined my point a bit with my wording. I don't mean actual legitimate problems people might have with missing features, like walking pokemon. I mean stuff that IS in later games, but that people pretend are not.

Like if gen 7 comes out and it has pokemon amie, there are people will still say that gen 6 is the best because it has pokemon amie. That's stupid, but it's going to happen, I guarantee it. And if gen 7 DOESN'T have pokamie people will instead just look back on it wistfully instead of upholding it as something gen 6 has over 7. It's all backwards! It's like only the improvements that are carried forward matter.

>>26864
The gift Pokemon in this case are usually given to you because they REALLY want them in your party. I don't think I'd really recommend the entire PC being available at all times.

Also in the case of people lauding improvements from one gen to another: in Gen IV the physical/special split was an exciting improvement. In Gen VI it's just expected. Gen IV there would be getting praised for moving the game forward, not necessarily the effects of the split itself.

So why does the 3D randomly start working in caves and shit?

>>26870
It's not about having your PC available at all times; if the Pokemon you catch in the wild are instantly transported to your PC, why can't Pokemon that someone gives you also be instantly stored?

>>26871
Because Gamefreak is too busy making Pikachu Side Game 37 and they know that fans will eat up X/Y even if they half-ass it. Admittedly, their half-ass is better than the full-ass of most, but still...

With some people talking about the already alluded-to 7th region I'm suddenly reminded of this image from a while back. What if the this new region isn't a new region at all, but merely southern Kalos? I know some people are hyped for ~secret new pokemon~ from a ~secret new region~, but this seems more likely.

>>26873
It does make a nice setup for B/W2-like expansion. And, the southern part of the Kalos map is very cloud-heavy, Nintendo's favorite way to hide as-yet-inaccessible areas.

Why does Rhyhorn control so terribly?

I'm happy

You son of a bitch

I love this game, but goddamn it the cameras angles are so fucking bad jesus christ. I get it, you wanna show off the pretty new 3d character models, but I need to actually see where I'm going

http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/user/L-390-8033-W/timeline/27d0a430-3f2d-11e3-bed1-068eb584e58c?type=0&k=X_.9Y

I wonder if there were any problems with the development of this game. It's just far too conspicuous how big the gap between the first and second gym is compared to gyms 4, 5, and 6. It's also really weird how little the gym leaders and other important characters show up compared to black and white. I mean I only got to slightly past the 4th gym in those games but it seemed like, at the very least, I always met the gym leader before fighting them, there were events in every town, and I was just constantly being jumped by any of Cheren/Bianca/N for battles. I thought the game was going to be really long and interesting but after Gym 3 and Korrina it just kind of fell down and didn't really get up. Does it get better after the pokeball factory, at least? The pokeball factory was such a pathetic "dungeon" that it pretty much sapped any enthusiasm I had. Seriously even compared to Mt. Moon it's pathetic. Does it ever get back to gym 1-3 quality or should I just stop playing now?

>>26881
3D only works in some places.
Only 70 new pokemon.
Minimal postgame content.

Sounds like something was up with it. Maybe focus was shifted to the world detail and 3D designs.

>>26882
It does take a lot of work to make all those pokemon models.

>>26883
Yeah, I'm definitely thinking that the 2D-to-3D conversion process and so on is what ate up a ton of the budget. Hopefully now that they've got it set up future games will have more new content put into them. But it's Game Freak, what am I thinking.

>>26884
Yeah, Pokemon X2 and Y2 are going to be great.

>>26884

I hope that gamefreak doesn't use that as an excuse to use the same models for years and years without any real updates. That'd be pretty terrible, wouldn't it, MEGATEN?

>>26886
Honestly, the models are spot on.
Aside from some resolution improvement, I don't see what would need to be changed.

>>26885
If that happens, it will be what makes me give up Pokemon for forever.

>>26888
>being shocked for a third/ forth game in a gen when it has happened literally every single time for the past 5 gens
'kay

>>26889
I think he means the "both games getting a sequel instead of just a 3rd game" thing.

Yeah, third version is definitely Z.

But I do think we'll see a new set of games in 2015. Dunno if they're going to try something new since they're probably not remaking ruby and sapphire, or if they'll go straight to gen 7.

Remember when we thought Grey would be a thing?
The 3rd Dragon practically screamed grey.

>>26889
See >>26890

I'm actually interested in the potential for Z, and at this point it's 50/50 if I'll pick it up. But if they do X2/Y2 then I'm out for good.

>>26891
I would be interested in a Ruby/Sapphire remake, but only if they can cut down on how much fucking surfing you do in the second half of the game.

>>26893
Relevant.

>>26893
>I'm actually interested in the potential for Z ... But if they do X2/Y2 then I'm out for good.
What's the fucking difference?
You're still buying the same game more or less with added features that should have been in XY. The only difference is that one option has only one game that is more or less a feint re-imagining, and the second option has two and is a loose sequel to XY.

>>26894
>The trumpet silhouettes in the background.
10/10

Long shot, but any Halloween happenings in Pokemon?

Does this count as a happening?

I've never gotten shinies before now. Just got a shiny Charmeleon and two shiny Teddiursas from the Friend Safari. The two Teddiursas were from the same safari too.

>>26901
What are these? Fakemon or reskins?

>>26908
Hidden legendaries.

I think they're based on jewelry.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6935996/updated-pokerap-with-all-718-pokemon

>>26909
Top one looks related to Carbink.

Does tipping people do anything?