Hussie, where are you even going with this? Thinking of bringing back Vriska to fix the shipping grid, or are you just going to troll us by making it disappear 4evur/give it to Jane after she dies (i mean roxy had the void ring didnt she, and jane has been noted to be peculiarly lifeless for a life player) ???

Are Nepeta and Feferi cat-prop and fish-prop now, since they lost the ability of on-screen dialogue?

... Why is the thread title a link to the Skullgirls DLC Kickstarter? How is that relevant to Homestuck?

I remember a time when there was nothing I wanted from Homestuck more than for Vriska to come back to life. And now that there's a chance, I just don't feel it anymore.

::::(

You don't care because death has no meaning in homestuck. You already have Vriska in the dream world, and now the prospect of a ring that returns life just doubly negates it.

It doesn't matter to anyone whether or not she can come back to life because she's not coded as dead in the first place. There are very little ramifications to being "dead" here because she can still interact with everyone and have adventures and shit, and she still makes appearances in the story where she talks and does stuff. The only consequence is that now she has white eyes.

The countless safety nets that prevent characters from actually dying that exist in Homestuck also cheapen the grief of living characters. Like Terezi's lament about killing Vriska is tarnished because actually she can just fucking walk up to Vriska and talk it out and tell her she's sorry. There's nothing preventing her from doing that.

It's not entirely nothing in that they're stuck outside of the sessions/universes proper, not that that matters now that floating around in the furthest ring is now apparently where higher level stuff happens anyway. I figured they'd be kept back by the arbitrary limits of the bubbles in some other way, like a special dungeon somehow repelling bubbles or being spiky and popping any that get near, or the focus of the comic actually returning the things happening inside the sessions, but so far that hasn't happened. Honestly, though, it's not like they even need the ring to come back to life for real. Just captchalogue an image of them and spend the giant pile of grist needed to make a replacement body, then summon their ghost to inhabit it.

>>71852
And why does it tell me that I should care about Skullgirls for the purpose of supporting e-sports? If anything that deters me from helping it.

>>71855
So it's like Dragonball Z without the halos.

>>71858
It's like Dragonball meets Bleach. Death means fuckall, new characters are introduced whenever the author gets bored and crowd out the old ones, and there is a perpetual raising of the stakes & power levels that makes earlier plot events and accomplishments irrelevant and new ones unrelatable.

Remember when winning Sburb and creating a new universe against all odds was at the forefront of the plot? What the fuck is at the forefront now? What is this even??

>>71854
I think Jane has to wear the ring for them to be brought back to life.

>>71859
Making a new universe never really interested me in the first place since it was just something the game was compelling them to do. If they could lose the game without getting destroyed by Paradox Space, the worst that would happen is a bunch of things we never heard of or had a reason to care about never existing, whereas failing to stop the destruction of their home planets, and even forgetting to save Derse, always seemed like more of a real loss. Lord English destroying everything such that even distant, unknown emptiness is torn asunder is at least more plausibly a goal worth sacrificing Earth to prevent.

>>71859
I think aradia's line about wanting to watch the whole place fall apart is the hint to that. Defeating English must mean also destroying the Medium, SBURB and all its incarnations, and maybe the whole cycle of isolated universe creation/destruction as well. It would all collapse on on itself Zebes-style.

... we will assumingly be told in the future why this is a desired outcome.

>>71859
That was always a thing. It's just that they were fucked with from the very beginning by an even bigger troll than even the readers are aware of at this time. Whenever LE was talked about, he posted a picture of that summoning server. Let's take into account what Scratch said. Hussie didn't know what the plot of homestuck was supposed to be. He thought about it much later. He's basically just coasting from the beginning rather than from the Saiyan arc of Dragonball like Toriyama did.

>>71862
Wizardy Herbert is a pretty big nod to that. Much like how SBAHJ was Dave's subconscious providing eerie foresight, WH is Roxy's counterpart that outlines everyone's situation. One more thing to link the two TGs.

We need Roxy's fanfics anyway since Dave is apparently too busy to update the damn comic >:[

>>71865
Well he did pass the job off to Davesprite. With any luck that's what he set out to do when he left John. Or maybe he'll go off and save Roxy, thus allowing him to make a SB&HJ/WH crossover comic-with-extra-bookwords.

>>71866
Considering that hussie made that SBaHJ anthology a while back, I think it's likely that there may not be any future SBaHJ comics.

>>71863
I know he didn't have a clear idea of what the plot would be. That should be fairly obvious to anyone who has read Homestuck.

The constant escalation and introduction of new characters even in the "endgame" chapters is something that is present in a lot of shonen manga. Unwillingness to permanently write out old characters to make room for new characters is also a thing that happens a lot, leading to a hugely bloated cast. Both of these things tend to affect the structure and quality of the story negatively and are often the result of the author not having a clear idea of where he wants the story to go. The lack of editing and direction have really been catching up with Homestuck lately. Yes, I know it is a problem intrinsic to the format, because it is impossible for him to go back to edit out or change significant portions of his story. That doesn't mean it's not a glaring, festering issue and a huge disadvantage to serial updating works in general, it just means it's a glaring, festering issue he can't fix at this point. Which really sucks.

I wonder what earlier parts he would have cut out or changed, given the chance. I know he says he wouldn't because it is exactly the way he wanted it, but I also think that's a big fat lie.

>>71862
Her whole line about readying the manor for a lord's arrival, AFTER the point of bringing up defeating LE gives me eerie thoughts that Hussie may have the audacity to have something worse lurking out there behind the scenes. More so than LE; like something behind even him. Hmmm...

Vriska doesn't know shit about leadership.

so are these characters just ollieing out because the hussmaster doesn't know what to do with them again?

And Vriska is a terrible pirate. Like, truely awful.

>>71870

I always saw Vriska as more of a "Lancer" type of character. Like Starscream, Falco, or Kai Shiden. They want to be the leader but tend to fuck up badly when given the opportunity. Personally, that's why I always wanted to see more Karkat and Vriska interaction.

>>71875

A thought that just occurred, would that would make Terezi to be The Chick that the Lancer and Hero fight over? I suppose Dave fills in the Lancer for Karkat's Hero pretty well too for that matter.

>>71869
isn't english the lord though?
and really, what other candidates are there? alternate callie (in a cruel to be kind way?), the horrorterrors (who don't really give a shit as long as caliborn gtfo's) and... well, possibly whatever being which rules over the cherubs and/or created "existence"/sburb/the universes (basically anything that isn't the void) in the first place

Try to click the replay button on the LADIES panel.
Go ahead.
Try.

>>71871
On the one hand, it does make sense that they'd be sick of Vriska's shit and ditch her. On the other hand, I can't shake the feeling that those guys are about to get mouthlasered, which would be a super transparent way to get them out of the story, but that's Homestuck.

I am clinging to the hope that Sollux is literally incapable of being killed permanently. He'll become a half-ghost that keeps splintering into more ghost/living pairs and Hussie can kill him over and over all he wants.

>>71871
>so are these characters just ollieing out because the hussmaster doesn't know what to do with them again?

Maybe. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they all DO get ghost-killed by Lord English like Vriska said they would.

I'm fine with Tavros leaving the group, hell I'm kinda proud of the little fucker for finally ditching Vriska, since that actually makes sense for his character arc. The way Sollux said he was leaving was funny so I'm fine with him going too. I just don't like Nepeta or Feferi leaving after they just got here and haven't had any speaking lines since they did. It feels like Hussie is making a joke out of how pointless and inconsequential these two characters are, which kinda sucks if you actually like them.

>>71878
Thankyou for pointing this out to me.

>>71879
He's had a million opportunities to get rid of superfluous characters he didn't like (i.e. everyone escaping right now) and yet he keeps bringing them back. If they get lasered here that probably won't be the end of them because he can't make a character death stick for the life of him.

All the non-godtier players just left. All the godtier players are staying.

Coincidence?

>>71883
Actually this brings up something I hadn't thought of.

If a god tier ghost gets ghost-killed in a way that isn't just or heroic, do they come back to ghost-life?

>>71884
Maybe we're about to find out!

>>71883
Everyone's about to die, and Hussie (for some reason) didn't want to kill the non-god-tiers off.

I assume something else will kill Nepeta during their egress.

>>71877
Hal

>>71877
Don't you remember Gamzee is the most important character in Homestuck? He's also already known to have been responsible for setting up Caliborn to enter his session. Though if true that could easily mean that as part of his plan he'd be setting himself up to be hypnotized into serving Lord English, only for that to be what motivates him to create said plan.

>>71888
Gamzee engineered his own creation. He's a living Juju.

>>71882
tell that to AR, WQ and WK ;_;

>>71884
I'd assume not, since god tiers are a condition of Skaia's game, and dream bubbles and the outer ring in general fall neatly outside that jurisdiction. The reason we can see game elements like captchalogues in dream bubbles at all is because those preexisted as separate yet SBURB-compliant things.

>>71890
I don't think they count because to be perfectly honest I don't think he ever thought of them as true characters.

>>71895
Like hell AR doesn't count. If he's not a proper character then neither is PM.

>>71896
Look, I know it hurts. I love the carapaces. They have been the only characters I have consistently adored.

But he liked them even less than he likes Sollux.

Roxy and AR are probably the only truly selfless characters in all of Homestuck. Both have sacrificed their own safety for the safety of complete strangers. As great as PM and WV are, even they can't claim that. If AR isn't important, then well shit

i really don't like where this is going

ship officially fucking sunk
suck it lameos

damn how horrible does Vriska have to get before I can't pity her anymore

Rev up those Vriska morality debates!

>>71902

I won't call this ship dead until the very end, even if Vriska gets "double dead" here.

John was pretty much right with how Vriska had been acting, particularly since she died, though. And I think Vriska knows it, which is why it hurt her more.

Aradia's creepy background grin is delightful.

Oh my god, I'm Vriska. I'm a horrible and conflicted person.

But I guess mostly horrible ::::I

>>71905
she's not hurt, she's pissed
her personal wimp flew away into the void, as did half of her crew
her 'friends' called her out on being horrible and stupid
she was bad enough to make the only other guy stupid enough to pay her any attention go running
AND she lost her one shot at being restored to life. TWICE.
basically all she's got now is whatever is in that cave. she's trying to get into john's good graces again so he'll give her the ring
(of course we all know that whatever happens john won't be giving her the ring any time soon, possibly because she's gonna die any minute now)

>>71909

That is... certainly a way to interpret events, I will admit.

>>71909
>she's not hurt, she's pissed

Can't she be both?

Why are Aranea and Meenah sticking around? Please don't tell me they're gonna bite it. :*(

>>71871
There's a reason for that.

All that sounded real weird coming from Vriska. Not the meanings but how she said them.

I guess you could consider this the epitome of a Thief of Light, or something. She's 'stealing' the Light/Fortune (in the fate kind of sense) from a bunch of void ghosts to get her hands on a weapon that will defeat the only thing that is a threat to her.

Basically, stealing someone else's fortune/continued existence to increase/extend her own.

I'm 8ad, and that's good.
I'm not good, and that's not 8ad.
There's no one I'd rather 8e than myself.

>>71921
I just wanted some cake ::::(

Eh.
I still don't like her.

>>71919
Maybe because she's never had to go on the moral defensive like this before.

inb4 the treasure is the jack who killed callie's dreamself

So Hussie is basically saying Bat Vriska is the hero Paradox Space deserves.

Sorry bro, not buying it.

>>71926
Actually, Vriska is saying that.

>>71927
Vriska is a fictional character. She cannot write Homestuck because of this.

>>71928
Hussie is saying that Vriska is saying that her actions are justified. If you can't separate what a character thinks from what the author thinks, I'm afraid you're sorely missing the point of reading fiction.

I think I'd care about this whole issue more if the people Vriska was getting killed weren't the most expandable. one-dimensional bunch ever.

>>71930
Yeah, that's fair for not caring about it from a perspective of how it affects the story. But in terms of what it says about who Vriska is, it's a bigger deal than it is in terms of how big a deal their deaths are to the plot.

They're redshirts, they were basically MADE to die. We lose little to nothing from their deaths. But that doesn't mean that the monster that killed them / let them be killed was justified in doing so. In-universe, she's still wantonly leading people who are following her to oblivion, and she doesn't feel bad about it.

They're all just offshoot versions from doomed timelines who were fated to die from the beginning anyway.

Now to see if Rose has become the lushy bimbo everyone suspects she has.

>>71932
So we can trust you to pull the plug anyway when someone miraculously survives a terminal illness. Good to know.

I swear, if Rose and Kanaya's hate-relationship leads to Kanaya knocking down the Can Town I am officially done with homestuck. All those cans better stay EXACTLY where they are.

Since when was it a hate relationship?

>>71932
That's true, but Vriska with Aranea's help is mind-controlling them into doing this, or they're just joining the herd because it's instinct for trolls to convene, so they're not only being condemned to nonexistence, which is unsettling in and of itself, but it's without them having any say in it. That's the most off-putting thing about Vriska's methods for me.

>>71936
Since Karkat said something about how if he'd auspisticized between Rose and Kanaya, Kanaya would have been able to auspisticize between Terezi and Gamzee, apparently. I think it's more likely they're just dysfunctional or argumentative and Karkat interpreted it as blackrom. Maybe. I'm neutral towards Rosemary so bluhhhhhh i don't caaaaaaaaaaare

Rose has mapped can town in her "responsible historical documentation." I don't need to see any text to know she's sloshed.

>>71938
i think she's pretty much perpetually drunk these days, sadly
i guess it's kinda like the whole ordeal with the life and void rings
one lalonde has to be drunk at any given time, while the other one must be sober

I'm kinda disappointed in Rose. If there's someone who should know better than hiding from her purpose and losing herself in the void, it would be the once-corrupted fucking Seer of Light. I hope this habit of hers hasn't got all that much to do with her relationship with Kanaya or I'm going to be kinda sad as well.

I wonder what Roxy would say about this shit though.

>>71942
With all the crap she's going though with Condy she's probably going to join her.

I'm not so much sad about Rose as I am kinda miffed at Hussie. I'm a struggling alcoholic and this is pushing my buttons.

but that said, I guess I don't see the point of Rose drinking so much right before they arrive at the session. I mean, sure, I have a hard time controlling myself, but if I know a bunch of friends will be depending on me at a certain time, I can at least rein it in so I can keep my commitment.

If YOU"Re disappointed just imagine Roxy who got her act together because she's was afraid of disappointing her slime mother.

>>71944
If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure he's presenting the way Rose is handling herself as troubling and irresponsible on her part, not something that's full of lulz and sunshine like he's making light of alcoholism. Certainly none of the readers seem to find it delightful, and Kanaya doesn't seem to be delighted by it either.

>>71938
Just you wait. Can town and its impeccable layout will prove integral to the impending end battle.

I dunno about it being directly involved in a battle, but the map could end up in the hands of the carapace people Roxy saved, who might misinterpret it as plans for an actual town and build it.

can town = home stuck
rose = andrew hussie
kayana = his loving wife, ryan north

>>71944
>bitching about a fictional story depicting a character with a problem just because you were an alcoholic pussy once too

Looks like Rose/Kanaya is next on the chopping block

Hussie's on a roll

Weep not for your sunken ships, for we have the glory of John/Roxy to look forward to. (I habeeb it!)

>>71952
my biggest shipping-related question is who dirk will hook up with
i mean out of the guys who still are alive we've got only got john (not gay), dave + davesprite? (incest), karkat (who'll end up with terezi cmon), jake (who'll end up with jane cmon) and... gamzee (ew)

i mean there's no way to fix the whole grid unless dirk does an "only for you" with roxy and john ends up with vriska (or aradia, at least she's still alive).. i wouldnt be surprise if hussmeister does go down that path, but i'm afraid the outrage from the tumblrites over "ruining" a gay character would be overwhelming (bcuz cmon sexuality aint fluid)

>>71953
Maybe not everyone will hook up with someone at the end

>>71953
Dirk will build a robot body for Equius, and they will get STRONGmarried.

>>71955
Equius creeps him out though. Or at least the Equius + AR sprite did, which might have put a damper on POSSIBLE ROMANCE

John/Roxy is a pretty good ship but I don't know if John is really her type, I mean she was the only one of the four alpha kids who wasn't in love with Jake (I am counting Jake himself as someone who was in love with Jake because I'm pretty sure he is) and John is a lot like him in some ways.

>>71954
hupla pls

>Vriska scolds John for almost leaving right before seeing the treasure
>We cut to a different scene right before seeing the treasure

>>71953
What makes you so certain Jake and Jane are gonna hook up at this point? Jake is currently kicking his own ass over having ruined all of his friendships because of relationshit and Jane said pretty much flat out to Dirk that she was more in love with a fictional action hero Jake that only existed in her head and the real deal wasn't all that great

The way the Alpha kids are right now I can't see them doing more than patching up what's left of their group and just being a bunch of friends

>>71955
How would they get Equius' ghost into it? Only Aradia was able to exist as a ghost outside of the dream bubbles because they hadn't entered the game yet.

>>71956
Roxy was head over heels in love with Jake, but promised to not go for it out of Jane's sake because she is an awesome bro.

>>71960
No, she was into Dirk. I think she said Jake was hot in a flippant, jokey sort of way to tease Jane, but she did not have a crush on him.

>>71953
Sollux is alive too.

>>71962
Sollux has a harem of flying, high ranking ghost ladies at this point. And possibly Aradia.

Alright so Rose is in a bad bad way.

>>71935

Well I said I would and I'm not gonna back out of it. Goodbye homestuck, at least I dropped you for a just and noble reason.

goodbye rose/kanaya you will not be missed

>>71956
>>71960
Hmmm, I meant it as a joke, but those are some interesting things to wonder about. I don't think we really know what happens to characters who die outside of the game, but from Vriska's explanation of why getting the doomed timeline ghosts doubled killed is acceptable to her, it seems that non-players just don't end up in the outer ring at all. Aradia's case is a bit odd, as she had ghost-related troll powers in addition to being destined to take part in Sgrub. It might be that being a sprite could allow Arquius to just go and posses a robot body by flying into it, but in that case they might not be separable by something as easy as taking the robo-glasses off the robo-troll.