Fuck.

Is dat some dreambubble Mindfang, or did Vris get a MAJOR wardrobe upgrade?

Well this is odd. But I guess that's to be expected from a post-dreamself dream. Let us not forget the horror show that was Jade's first post-dreamself dream.

I'm assuming she's the Vriska/Mindfang from the troll's pre-scratch session. At least, that's the best justification I can think of.

That Sufferer's symbol sure is pretty brazenly displayed, don't you think?

What the fuck is going on here?

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>>61827
That's not the end of the weirdness. Her glasses are all...cat's-eye and Redglare/Terezi-esque. And her hair is cut short. The hell is this.

AWWWW SHEEET
Pre-scratch mindfang up in this shit.

You know, it's worth mentioning that all ectobiology creations are combinations of two people..

Terezi + Vriska = Mindfang?

Karkat + Nepeta = UU?

>>61832
I thought that was just how it worked for people and trolls had weird genetics made from buckets.

>>61825
>>61827

I thought she was pre-scratch babby Mindfang too, but the Sufferer came from the post-scratch universe! Why would she be wearing that symbol?

I ... I have to admit I am a little tired rather than intrigued

>>61834
I thought symbols and things were re-used constantly between pre and post scratch universes, like bunnies and things. That's still a good question, though. Did the sufferer's symbol mean something different pre-scratch?

> fashionable outfit
> cheerful
> inexplicably troll-christian

oh shit it's a fantrollified vriska

get in the car

What?


What?


Yup, I have been thoroughly confused.

>>61832
Mindfang and the ancestors are all their own paradox clones though, like with the alpha kids. This is likely just plain ol' pre-Scratch Mindfang.

Everybody break out the gaudy v-neck SWEATERS, it's time to get introduced to the pre-Scratch trolls!

>>61835
What if alpha trolls = pre-Scratch trolls? UU had red half-cancer cufflinks. It was said that Karkat's cover story was prepped in advance. Maybe the red/gray cancer symbols have something to do with this.

>Goody two shoes first session Vriska
aw shit!

Honestly, if this does imply we'll be seeing pre-scratch trolls, I would really not mind, frightening fan business aside. In fact, I'd welcome it.

Meh

>>61840
That's what I've been thinking. I mean, with all the build up of pre-scratch trolls, it would just be weird not to see them actually do something.

I hope in my heart that at some point in the comics, the O-kids,the Alpha kids,the Trolls,the Ancestors,the Pre-scratch trolls,the Exiles, the Consorts, and whatever sprites are still active, all find themselves in one cramped area, and someone(Dave) mentions that there are ENTIRELY too many people involved with this shit to get anything done.

This has become a clusterfuck of titanic proportions and I'm loving every second of it.

hussie stop

we didn't need this

Is this going to reach Bleach level of cast, so many characters with many of them useless and poorly represented in the writing, except Hussie will get off on killing them off in short-order instead of keeping them alive through all sots of horrible inujuries even though they should be dead?

>>61848
The fact that it hasn't already is just weird. Maybe if he killed a few more characters first. Also, it could mean more characters like Feferi who do maybe one or two things and then die. They're always fun.

There's so many fanarts of this Vriska/Terezi bitch already, jesus christ

>>61852
I don't get off on random pointless culling so no

>>61848
Well fortunately for you, these guys are already dead

GO HUSS GO.

>>61856
Nepeta has by far the largest pool of humorously deformed reaction images. I love it.

Oh look. More characters who are also probably going to be shoddily introduced and never used. Does this mean we have to deal with pre-scratch ancestors too?

Oh wait, they've all probably been pre-killed off. How convenient.

>>61854

From the eyes, this character is already a ghost. So no killing necessary, it's all in the past.

Dead people in dreambubbles don't do much beyond talking to visitors (or at least, for now), so it's not like the story is threatening to fall apart.


Also, Dead Jake dreamself=>dream bubbles visits for Jake, nice. Not sure why I didn't see it coming!

Retro nerd librarian look. Post-scratch Mindfang was into prose. I get the feeling this one's some kind of novelist.

>Jake has a little <3????????

oh Jake, even you don't know what you're into

>>61866
Well at least this one might not be a horribly evil bitch so Jake won't look like such a wanker when he brushes off all the shit she did. Or maybe she'll be worse? Who knows

>>61866
It's actually a little <????????
Three of the four quadrant symbols can be written starting with a less-than sign.

Seriously, even Dirk's moment of total fucking awesome didn't get as much fanart as the first sight of this chick is getting. Shipping and Character pics of her as far as the eye can see.

It's kind of over the top when we don't even know anything about her yet.

>>61875
Well, UU got fanart BEFORE we knew what she looked like. The fandom's just like that.
Come to think of it, I'm surprised I haven't seen any fanart of UU's "brother" yet.

>showing ALL 12 OF THE PRESCRATCH TROLLS

>>61877
Get Ready For "HIVEBENT: THE SEQUELING"!

>>61875
We know she's some sort of Mindfang, the most badass and fan-popular of the ancestors. Good enough.

>>61880
So its vriskafags & mindfags all the way down huh?

Enjoy your overrated rapist if you want, but you're still jumping the gun.

>>61877
Don't forget their ancestors, that is, pre scratch Karkat and the rest. We gotta see those guys too!

it could just be that vriska changed her clothing

>>61886
Oh god.
500 pages later, IT'S TIME TO SEE THE PRE-SCRATCH ORIGINAL TROLLS
NO HUSS NO

Pre Scratch likely had 13 players, including UU. The scratch might remove the 13th sign for some reason.

At this point, it pretty much goes like this, right?

John's Session scratches into Jane's Session which creates PreScratch Trolls' session which scratches into Karkat's session which creates John's session until infinity.

Isn't that....uh....isn't that horrifying?

>>61895
How long do you think The Husster could keep such a recursive plot going and still have a number of diehard fans? I'm thinking its a fairly long time, though thats mainly due to the staying power of fanaticism.

>>61895
>It's all a causality loop of SBURB sessions.

This is definitely an older theory from when how the scratch ACTUALLY works was found out. Still not confirmed yet (and neither is that we'll see all the incarnations of every troll ever, so stop panicking).

So, dealing with the best in story evidence we have, I would like to remind everyone of this little tid bit.

>UU: it is the day whereafter the legendary octet of mUtUal progenitoriety will come together and heal a great breach in paradox space.
>UU: a day delivered throUgh eighty billion years and foUr distinct Universal instances worth of Unfathomable tUrbUlence.
>UU: and while the emerald eye of this storm is fixed in the abyss forever
>UU: today yoU are poised to escape its scowl once and for all.
>UU: by skaias gUiding light, yoU may leave behind its tUrning arms of bright coloUrs and mayhem, and secUre peace for yoUr cosmic progeny for all dUration.

So, Green Sun business as a whole is a "great breach" in paradox space (kind of a funny thought). Most notably though is the "secure peace for your cosmic progeny" bit. So, at least as far as UU knows, things will sort of be fixed up by the end of things, and the universe created jointly by the kids, either using the tadpole that got dropped in the Forge or some other means, will be a safe place free of Green Sun dirtiness, and likely everyone will escape there.

Funny thing is, this still leaves exactly all the options open for how things actually go down. The kid's Alpha session could end up making the Pre-Scratch Troll's universe and they all simply find "elsewhere" to go. Or the Pre-Scratch Troll's universe was made by some other species, probably the Squiddle's session, and the kids' frog will be some other place to live free of Green Sunniness. Or they could make a new universe and it's still trapped in the Green Sun's influence and they still have to escape elsewhere (though this is only possible if UU's prediction is incorrect; unreliable narrator is not a thing Hussie is above).

RANDOM FARFETCH'D IDEA

UU is from the universe the Kids end up making. I know that evidence points more towards her being from the Troll's Pre-Scratch universe and having some source of info about the sessions to come "after" hers. But, it's not necessarily impossible that they make a universe of Troll's that's NOT the Troll's Pre-Scratch Universe. Probably.

So, looking at the right side of her hair... I think maybe it's just normal Vriska.

>>61898
And Kanaya's actually John in disguise? Brilliant!

What if she's not a new character but instead she's just a crazy dream Jake's having.

Like a normal, non prophetic dream???

I really like how the curled up tinkerbulls just kind of fly off Jake's sprite. Reminds me of when the kids would get shit out of the way by jumping on tables and kicking and scooting stuff off.

>>61900
Hahahahaha

>>61901
I like how Jake was out for maybe a minute and all the bulls were like, "Oh! It must be naptime!"

>>61902
Not to mention they seem to have no problem curling up next to him despite having just killed like four of them in the last hour.

>>61875
it makes perfect sense when you realize the vast majority of fans started reading the comic in act five and skip any part not abut the trolls.

Aside from hair, Jake's dreaming about a blue alien girl. Dead!Vriska could easily have wound up looking like this just to troll.

>>61907
actually he's dreaming about a grey girl wearing blue

she is not neytiri tier at all, 0/10 would not bang

>>61906
I hope you're not serious, cause if you are then you're kind of delusional. Yes, that group exists, but it's a minority, and not a big one.
They just tend to a) be kind of loud and b) stick in your memory because you and the people who led you to believe they're so many get so very mad at them.

>>61909
The real reasons behind the fanart wave are these:

- She is a new character, when Dirk putting HB's head on a pike was an establishing moment of greatness from an existing character.
- Dirk's scene was, well, a scene. They take more time and effort to draw than a portrait. It is easy and simple for an artist to barf out a bust of Young Mindfang (??) though.
- People really loved Vriska and Mindfang, and they are excited that perhaps they are back in the story after a year's absence. She also bears resemblance to Terezi, and people also really liked the Terezi-Vriska dynamic which was, again, put to rest a year ago.
- I guess people really like her design? I think it is kind of sucky but whatever, I'm probably not in the majority.

>>61909

Most of the fandom really did start reading in Act 5, though.
Like, factually.

>>61914
yep. including me (act 5 act 2, right after jade: enter) and, i'm sure, plenty of people here.

>>61914
Are we going to make that a bad thing? Are we all going to be Homestuck hipsters who say "Yeah I was reading Homestuck BEFORE the trolls"?

>>61915
I started reading right around the time Horrorstuck was becoming a thing. So, around halfway through 5.2.

Even so, that's more than a year ago at this point. Act five is LOOOOOOOONG.

>>61848
More like Dragon Ball levels.

>>61911
It's been a year since that?

Also, ok wait everybody. Are we talking about where the story was when people decided to read through HS, or are we talking about where people started to actually read the story, like excluding previous pages? Because the latter makes no bloody sense to do. That's like opening up, shit any book, and reading it from the center of the book. That's really bizarre.

>>61920
what are you talking about, nobody does the second one

>>61921
Lots of people did the latter with homestuck

>>61921
Yes there are D:
Apparently the pacing of the first act is extremely off putting, and some people really don't give a shit about characters who aren't trolls.

Dude. I've run into folk who thought the alpha kids were just gender-flipped beta kids.

>>61923
Those are horrible people that need to remove themselves from the genepool.
If anything its when the story focuses on the trolls or thier ancestors that it will reach its lowest point, dragging on seemingly forever.

>>61922
>>61923
ha ha ha yeah yeah funny joke guys

uggghh

>>61923
i am pretty sure that those people are only mythological beings at this point. if they only read for the trolls and about the trolls--having skipped at least half of the story--they have dropped it as homestuck no longer has anything to offer them. considering most of them are dead and the story has long since turned its eyes back on human players and all.

>>61930
That's right. They quit reading and now they only care about fanfiction, especially the troll-centric AUs.

A lot of them never read the comic at all. Any of it. There are a couple moderately well-known fanartists who have never read a single page of Homestuck and just heard about the trolls from other fans.

And now you know the story of how the homestuck fandom transformed from a little group of dudes who all knew each other's names, to a pretty weird bunch that some of us on +4 had fun making fun of while drunkposting, to a horrifying cancerous blight. The next step is troll otherkin. I don't dare find out if they already exist.

I don't understand why so many people like to obsess over how other people read and interpret the comic

Seriously, what do you get out of it besides getting mad at these random people. Yeah turns out there's a lot of weird and dumb people out on the internet WHAT AN ATROCITY

>>61942
You know what I hate? People whining about people complaining about wierdo's.

you know what i hate

whining about stupid things that don't matter to anyone

shut up

>>61945
You first

Ok, so Jake had a non-Prospit dream. Therefore many of us conclude his dreamself is dead. Especially him dream meeting a troll points to this conclusion.

I'm bringing this up because of Jane's LIFEY THING. Still not conclusive at all, but a lot of us are hoping that her LIFEY THING basically revived her dreamself after the ball dropped.

What my Hope is (haha) is that somehow Jake's Dreamself doesn't stay dead, since it would be unsymmetrical/unfair/just plain suck if Jake were the only one who didn't even get a chance to achieve God Tier.

Hopeful speculation:
Jake's dreamself is in a coma, not actually dead.
Jake's dreamself is dead, but Jane's LIFE explosion revives him.

That latter would explain his VOID encounter with presumably Pre-Scratch Mindfang. Anyone know what time frame Jake's recent blackout is relative to when Jane's dreamself gets Jack'd?

>>61908
Congrats on being the last post until this one actually talking about the comic and not circle jerking.

>>61951
If you really don't want to keep it going you should stop talking about it. I mean, thats the logical course of action.

Anyway there's gonna be a loophole even if he is truly dead on the dream-side, and its not like a...allergy coma. or he becomes LE instead of going god-tier of course.

>>61952

Honestly I'm rather worried about that. Scratch and Rose's Conversation is what I'm quoting here:

>Because, much like the decisions you must face to complete your dual suicide missions, you have two ways of achieving godhood to choose from.
>TT: Two ways?
>TT: By dying on the Quest Bed on my planet, and some other way?
>Yes.
>TT: Is there another Quest Bed somewhere?
>Yes. Good guess, Seer.
>TT: Where?
>What difference does it make? You already know where the first one is. You have the choice to go there right now and take your own life.

Doc Scratch plays with his cards up. He never says things that are false, only lies of omission, which, apparently, aren't actually lies in his not-eyes. You might think that his "Good guess" reply to there being two Quest Beds leaves room for a loophole, but not only does he say "You already know where the first one [quest bed] is", but we know from canon that there are Quest Beds in the center of the moons of Prospit and Derse.

The only ways we've seen anyone ascend to the God Tiers are 1) having your normalself die on your planet's quest bed, which then combines/transfers your consciousness into your dreamself which becomes God Tier, and 2) having no physical self alive and having your dreamself die on a Prospit/Derse Quest Bed.

As anyone who's read the comic should know, just because we've seen some cases doesn't mean that we know the actual rules being followed, just that each thing we've seen follows the rules as they are, even if we don't know them.

Again, while this type of skepticism would normally leave room for speculation on other ways to achieve God Tier, Doc Scratch's words are the exception here. There are two "ways" to get to God Tier. Scratch said that's because there are two Quest Beds for each player. And every God Tier we've seen has ended up in their dreamself's body.

But maybe I'm being too harsh. We STILL don't know the limits of the Quest Beds. It may be that planetary Quest Beds only work on physical selves if they have a dream self to occupy. It may be that the moons' Quest Beds only work on dreamselves that don't have a physical body they connect to. Or it may be that moon Quest Beds work on any incarnation of a player, and just use the one that's there on the bed. Or it may be that all quest beds are the same, and they just prefer to shunt you into your dreamself if you have one, and will make do with the body on them if that's all that you have. The point is we really don't know.

Hmm, I started out pretty doubtful, but this is leaving quite a bit of room for HOPE. (hee hee)

>>61956
Wait, doesn't kissing a dying "real"self cause the dream self to become the "real"self? Thus maybe it's not that a dream self must die in the center of one of the kingdom's moons but rather a "real"self. Jake would have a chance to got tiger if this was the case.

>>61957
Nah, being a revived dreamsele is different. You get to fly because it's convenient for the story.

>>61960
The only ones who flew after they were revived would be Sollux and the Derse siblings. Sollux could always fly and maybe Rose and Dave were just moon hopping and just looked like they were flying? They both already could jump pretty fucking high and maybe Derse has low gravity. Not a strong argument but, you know...

maybe everyone can hover on derse and prospit, it's not a property of the body at all, it's the environment

if the waking self managed to get to one of them, they would be able to fly too

problem solved

Sometimes I think I analyze and over think Homestuck things way too much and feel bad about it. Then I come here.

Thanks guys :3c

(update)
Welp, that settles that!
no it doesn't

What the fuck was that?

JANE YOU DAMN TIGHTASS
*HOW* DID YOU EVEN MANAGE TO FUCK THIS UP
UGH

WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING

hussie what the ever-loving-fuck did you do now?

>Neither side was willing to put themselves out until the other one did
>Dirk is the only one willing to blunder out of his magical phone booth and make a ballad-inspiring play for Jake's throbbing beef truncheon
>Jake confirmed for crush on dead troll catholic mindfang

Right, so Jake x Roxy OTP is quickly becoming where I'm placing all my bets.

That is the Greatest Face I hope it becomes a callback every five panels

Dang, the brobot is being really weird, haha. What's it up to?

Also oh my god, Janey. I really want to know what Roxy's reaction to Jane's response will be.

oh janey janey janny jany

DAMNIT JANE YOU WERE SOOOO FUCKING CLOSE AND YOU BLEW IT

YOU

DUMPSHIT

My guess is that she isn't going for it because she wants Dirk have a chance with him. Kind of like how Rox didn't go after him for Jane's sake. When Roxy inevitable gets pissed at Jane for this she'll end up being a hypocrite.

Of course, that's just my take on this.

>>61977
I don't think so, we got a reaction shot of Jane doing The Greatest Face when it was impossible for Jake to see her. She would have looked disappointed in having to lie to Jake about her feelings.

it's ogviously a conspiracy

oh god

wait

the condesce

she really DOES have feelings for jake and this is the condesce's brainwashing taking place

jane x NOBODY canon

>>61979
Rather than a conspiracy, I think a more simple explanation for Jane's actions will do.

>DAVESPRITE: ahahahaha you fucked up

>>61979
i think its more likely batterwitch, not spiderbitch

>>61973
Jefferson Starship - Jane

she got put on the spot and choked like a little baby!!!!

source: experience, her face in that panel is a familiar one

i made a pretty much perfect copy of Jane's face while reading that

secondhand embarrassment all up in this bitch

Single greatest panel in homestuck so far?

I'd say so.

>At this point, it pretty much goes like this, right?

>John's Session scratches into Jane's Session which creates PreScratch Trolls' session which scratches into Karkat's session which creates John's session until infinity.
No, right at the beginning UU said that Jane (and pals) were going to break the cycle with their session. So that means that this won't happen.

>>61972
>Dang, the brobot is being really weird, haha. What's it up to?
Obviously, he's ripping out his own heart to give it to Jake.

Jane "Nope, I don't want to go out with you."
Jake "Ha OK, because I'd have said yes if you had asked."
*Jane headsplodes*

>>61972
i think it's up to this:

>TT: Maybe he should just rip his heart out of his chest and pound it into green gravel there in the jungle with his hella strong robot arm.

Don't forget that part of the Baroness' brainwashing is "DO NOT REPRODUCE." It's entirely likely Jane just joked pretty hard, but it's equally likely she has no clue why she's saying no.

So I'm...uh...wait.

Does Jane really not want to go out with Jake, or did she just fuck up so hard she redefined fucking up for a generation? :?

>>62001
Well, it's certainly not the former and most likely she just choked on the spot, though >>62000 also brings up a possible theory.

Oh, Jane. What are you getting yourself into?
Or, of more immediate concern, out of???

Holey Shat. These faces are the best.

oh my god this is gold. I can't breathe

>>62006

She looks like she's in pain. It has to be the crockerganda talking.

Laughing like a motherfucker though.

>>61982
CALLED IT

>GT: Now please dont take me as saying im about to go leaping into his arms or anything.
>GG: Heh.
>GT: That would be a bit brash.
>GT: Haha could you imagine??
>GG: Whee!
+ Jane's face

I lost it.

>>62000

That actually makes quite a bit of sense. Turns out this is quite of bit of a disconcerting turn of events!

Although it would have been an interesting way for a brief to switch up this stupid shippy stuff by making Roxy a giant lesbian or something. But the novelty probably would have worn out. So instead we have the batterwitch mind rapiing Jane. Much more interesting!

lol did gross nerd want to kiss her clonebrother?? gross

>>61999
heh, check that shit out. got that all kinds of correct. B)

Jake x Dirk, it will happen, it MUST happen! Manly picnics only, to hell these finicky dames.

I bet those fucking shades knew this would happen once they inceptioned Roxy into telling Jane and Jake to air their feelings immediately.

I'm also liking the "batterwitch brainwashing caused Jane to shoot herself in the foot" theory.

the only happy ending to this is at some point in the comic time/universe shenanigans leads to like three or four jakes hanging around so everyone can have one.

This is the most magnificent thing I've seen in a long time.

>>62021
But if the Jakes come from alternate timelines won't all the people who want to have sex with Jake in thier own time periods be dissapointed?

Old-fashioned cloning is the only answer.

To all those people previously whining about how tedious and boring all this romance talk is:

You guys still convinced of that?

>>62024
...yes? brainwashed janey isn't making it all that less tiresome, especially if dreamgirl is getting added to the running.

>>62006
Oh my go. This face is even better than the previous one.

>>61999
This is clearly a callback to Hivebent, when Vriska said she should rip her own heart out before smashing it spreading blue blood everywhere, before Aradiabot did just that. Once the sentence "brobot should rip his own heart out and smash it into gravel" was uttered in the "still reiterating stuff from before" part of the new act, this result had been unavoidable.

this was an update where spaghetti fell out of jane's pockets

>>62028
Fuck haha

Anyway, this may be the high talking, but what if...and hear me out; what mindfang was just a marysue of some goodie two shoes who got her kicks by writing erotic pirate fanfics? Carrrrrplenency of the leaaaaarrrrrrrned

>>62029
That would be HIGH-larious.
If Vriska had based her whole outlook on some fanfiction and been fawning over some sueish pirate that never truly existed outside of some sweet and virgin maiden's imagination and hidden fantasies, if Doc Scratch had just been reading the fanfictional version of historical events. (Seriously, fuck you Cueball! that was hell to sit through, Hussie should have done worse than just kill you with his own two hands)

Jane is quickly rising to the top of the Best Character pile in my heart thanks to this update.

>>62031
...and why is that?

>>62032
[spoiler]Empathy.

It might be the lack of sleep but I can't bring myself to care about this. Can we go back to the plot now?

That poor, poor Maid of Spaghetti.

>>62031
I don't know about the Best Character pile, but it's certainly sealed her as my second favorite Alpha Kid.

maybe we'd care if we knew jack shit about jane besides she likes baking and funny mustaches

>>62039
Romance isn't his strong point, and he can at times have a little trouble with his characters as well, though I would hope he considers Jane more essential than say Equius or Nepeta.

>>62032

She's pretty hilarious. Out of the Alpha kids, I enjoy her shenanigans the most (and to be sure, I think most of us can empathize with Jane's situation here). I enjoy Roxy's chats the most. My favorite characters in the comic are currently John, Dave, Vriska, Terezi, Karkat, WV, PM, Jane, and Roxy. I would be hard pressed to choose just one out all of them, hence the "pile" part of Best Character pile.

oh Jane honey

no

no

i feel for jane but im really starting to hope he kisses dirk and likes it

It's honestly like the concept of a bro has been completely abolished. This is a sad turn of events. Why can't things just be bromances, instead of romances, regardless of gender?

>>62057

>>62059
But that's not exactly a Bromance. That's more close to a therapist/patient relationship.

>>62057
oh please who the fuck cares, and there's even still john and dave

>>62057
What are you talking about?

Roxy is basically the ultimate bro, and Jane just inflicted bromance on herself :3

>>62057
neat, but i don't think you know what a bromance actually is! there has been no relationships of that type with the alpha kids at all.

>>62024
Yeah, actually. I've never found myself skimming over pesterlogs until now. I can't even bring myself to care about this stuff. I just want it to go back to the SBURB-playing.

>>62066
except maybe roxy and jane.

>>62057
i like to believe that instead of dirk and bro being the exact same character they are actually different versions of the same person

sort of like alternate parallels, if there is such a thing

>GG: Become boyfriends and such.
>GG: Have some babies!!!
>GT: Whoa now!
>GT: Jane the decision to sire children with your best bro is not one to be taken lightly.

hahahhaa omfg

hmm, this Dirk/Jake thing seems too straight forward.

whats the twist?

>>62070
the twist is: dirk

hope the condesce is behind all of these fucks that are up
if not then jane might surpass even john on ther derpometer

>>62068
but that's... exactly what they are in canon...
I don't understand your reasoning here.

>>62073
im saying that i enjoy the idea that bro and dirk are separate characters completely more than dirk and bro being the exact same character just one being the child version and the other an adult version

>>62072

Yes. Jane is so dumb, that she plainly said that Jake and Dirk should have a child.

>Act Six

>>62074
They AREN'T the exact same character. They have lived in different circumstances, so they have different memories and have had their personalities skewed in different directions. The fact that they are genetically identical doesn't change this.

>>62057
Bromance is fucking overated. Normal friendship is a beautiful thing, stop acting like you need to differentiate it from itself by treating homosocial friendships as being ~magicaler~than other friendships but~ pure~ because it isn't icky homosexuality.

>>62075
honestly can't tell wether you're being sarcastic or not
i've become so used to receiving snarky replies from here i don't know what to expect anymore

>>62078
I'm not exactly sure what your saying here. I kind of tend to associate bromance with normal friendship more or less, or with close/good friends. What's homosexuality got to do with it?

>>62075

Yeah, it was snarky. From my perspective, it seems much more likely that this is a way to build up the empress as a threat in a really strange but still very dangerous way (Jane being a sleeper agent would really fuck things up), rather than her being arbitrarily stupid so that Jake and Dirk can have sloppy makeouts~~. I'll eat my hat if it just turns into that, but I don't think that the empress is just going to the be the Black Queen 2.0. She's got to be established as a really crafty and potent enemy, and this is probably a way that it's done for Jane.

>>62078
Agreed. Jeez, what was even with that reply of Roxy not being the best bro/bffsy ever to Jane?

Anyway, if you really need an in-comic example of male bromanship, look no further than Sollux and Karkat! They are sort of like hatebros, admittedly, but Karkat often calls Sollux his good friend and they totally try to blow up each others' computers, which in my experience is what brothers will always do to each other, so it checks out, imo.

>>62080
Yeah, I was under the impression that Bromance was a fancy word for best friends--specifically male best friends.

>>62075
Yeah I agree, Jane IS fucking retarded.

Condesce or not she is a horrible character with less personality than John and persterlogs magnitudes more tiresome and uninteresting than Kanaya's unless coupled with Roxy, who's turning out to be the only actual character in post scratch universe.

>>62084

but but but so much spaghetti

>>62083
What, no, it's obviously a term for excessively close brotherly affection bordering on homosexual overtones.

>>62084
wwaah wwah wwah

>>62081
yes full time cock blocking and anti baby patroll is an extremely crafty and potent approach in becoming an established danger to jane's love life

see what i did there

>>62088
today jane's virginity, tomorrow the world, anon.

>>62084
Whoa whoa whoa, not liking Jane is one thing, but claiming she has less personality than John?
Shit, she's had more personality in the last two updates than John had in all of Act 5.

Where did this spaghetti thing come from anyway? It's getting a bit overused frankly.

Here's an out-of-left-field-theory:

Jane's pesterlog uses a lot of 8s. Count the vowels, the number of words, the number of times the same word is used. And, of course, there was that very strange dream Jake just had about a certain spidery troll...

>>62093

>>61979

ur 2 SLOW

>>62090
Yeah no.
When anything that calls upon the slightest fragment of personality is mentioned your question or statement is met with "..."s and "?"s it's really quite clear how dense and vapid a character really is.

Especially when other characters in the comic recognize this and clearly have grown tired and agitated of it. (tightassedness)

>>62095
Those kind of things carry a lot of implications, though. Nervousness, pondering, subtlety. Not every character can be a cartoon(caricature?).

>>62095
Don't know what questions you were asking, but the lack of answers could simply be due to the fact that we haven't known her all that long yet.

Also, that "tightassedness" IS a personality trait.
It's not a positive one, and it's something she's working to change, but it's part of her nonetheless.

>>62090

Dude you should know better than to try and argue with someone who has a hateboner for a character. I mean honestly the "X is so bland, they aren't even a character, nobody should like them, hurf durrf hurrf" argument has already been trotted out at least three in the last year I'VE been following the fandom (I've seen it applied to John, Rose, and Sollux), I think it's time we should learn how to identify and ignore it. If it is a legitimate opinion, it's generally not one worth responding to.

>>62096
Nervousness and pondering are great reactions when the time to use them presents itself.

Not whenever it's in EVERY. FUCKING. PESTERLOG.

>>62100

That would be why it's a fault that she's working to overcome.

Also, "EVERY. FUCKING. PESTERLOG." is hardly an impressive amount considering how short a time she's been around.

>>62100
She only does that in her pesterlogs with Jake.
With Dirk and Roxy she recently went from something of a condescending jerk to getting a serving of humble pie in the form of a cat-killing book being stolen from her and an exploded computer.
She's basically John's derp and Jade's moxy with a heavy dose of skepticism.

>>62098
Being a tightass is but one of many negative traits Jane has.

It's hard liking a character that can't present a single reason to justify admiring her in any aspect.

Honestly, can you name even one?

>>62104
The fact that she's getting put through the ringer for it.

>>62104

True, she hasn't been terribly admirable up to this point, and she seems to have recognized that.
That's why she's trying to change, and the desire to change in itself is somewhat admirable.

More importantly, must all characters be admirable?
I like Vriska, and the closest she can get is pitiable, tops.

>>62105
Since when was being put through the ringer for being an all around bland and lifeless idiot something to admire?

I haven't liked Jane much because up until these last few pages she wasn't very funny. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come.

The most important thing about a Homestuck character to me is how funny they are. It IS primarily a comedy after all. If if a character is funny and consistent then I am happy with them. Jane so far has been consistent. Now she is being funny. If this continues then I will like her.

>>62106
Vriska was admirable for her unwaivering willpower to become the best, constantly striving to become better and challenging herself at every obstacle.
Sometimes even tipping the odds in favor of her opponents. (Jack)

Vriska was fathoms more impressive than Jane, and accomplished far greater than Jane in less time.

>>62110
I'd say she was interesting for all of those things, but I certainly don't find them admirable.
They were mostly portrayed as faults.

Was she more impressive? Certainly.
Did she accomplish more than Jane in a shorter period of time?
If so, it was only because Hivebent was so condensed.

Are accomplishments really a good measure of a character though?

>>62107
Because, it means that Hussie knows she's doing something wrong and she'll either change and grow into something better or stay the same and shit will keep happening to her. And she's not that blande, it's just that everything so far has happened to her and she was being reactionary, and now she's finally bringing it on herself.

So, character growth or schadenfreude, and I don't really care which. She doesn't have to be admirable to be a good character, is what I'm saying.

>>62110
I'll give you the more impressive part, but she was also far more of a bitch who also got what she deserved. I hate the character, but I enjoy having her in the story.

why the fuck would you compare vriska to jane

it's like comparing apples and toasters, they have completely different roles and personalities and are basically not applicable to one another in any way at all, except for the fact that both of them are often found in your kitchen (homestuck)

p.s. jane rocks

>>62111
Challenging yourself is not a fault, she practiced fearlessness and determination throughout the entirety of hivebent.

Although often regarded as reckless she still proved her bravery on more than one occasion.
And accomplishment, although not the entire essence of what makes a good character, can provide ample reason to admire a character. Good or Bad.

>>62114
Challenging yourself at the expense of others is a fault though; and her fearlessness and determination often took the form of recklessness and obstinance.
She was brave, but bravery without wisdom doesn't mean a whole lot.

As for accomplishment, I do agree that it CAN provide reasons to admire a character, but it doesn't always.
Gamzee has accomplished quite a bit as of late, but I still consider him to be a terrible character.
WV has failed in almost all of his endeavors, but he's still one of my favorites.

>>62115
>Gamzee has accomplished quite a bit as of late, but I still consider him to be a terrible character.

I need to ask, what is it about Gamzee that gets people so upset? A lot of the readers seem to hate him. Is it just because of his fangirls? Or because he killed characters that you liked?

If it's because he is a two dimensional killer clown character then I sort of get it but he didn't garner anywhere near this much hate when he was a two dimensional juggalo character.

>>62112
Hating a character is fine, but in the end you can admit her part in the story was enjoyable, and at least provided interest even if most of it was negative.
For instance Vriska more than served her purpose of riling up the fanbase and pissing of just about everyone.

Yet even then she was a character, that although most people won't admit, was and impressive and interesting contribution to the story.

There is never a time i find myself hating everything about any character, as long as they contribute something to the story OR AT THE VERY LEAST present a reason for existing. (Comedic relief or even nightmare fuel)

What this all boils down to is poor writing on Hussie's part.
It shouldn't take a plethora of pages to manifest a decent character.

Even if after 1000 plus pages she ends up making an impact it won't change the fact it took so many pages to do so and that all of the potential interest that character could have gained is lost through seemingly endless pesterlogs and bland colorless tightass personal issues.

>>62117
I agree with you on a lot of this, even if my opinion on the character is different at the moment.

>>62116
He was a two-dimensional clown who then suddenly became a crazy murderous clown which allowed Hussie to kill off a few characters, create some drama and get a few laughs. Then all his sins are redeemed because Karkat made him calm down and stop slaughtering everyone, and he once again loses all relevance.

I don't hate him. I think the whole Horrorstuck "mini-arc" (hm) was entertaining and that the culling of a few trolls was inevitable. I just don't see the point of his character.

i dont like jane

i liked vriska

who cares, let's talk about jake being a gaywad

>>62115
>Challenging yourself at the expense of others is a fault though; and her fearlessness and determination often took the form of recklessness and obstinance.

If you're referring to everything she did before entering the game then I agree, what she did in the story inflicted precisely what it was meant to evoke from the reader.

However, all events afterward involving Tavros was admirable.
The ways she went about trying to manifest the same fearlessness she has into Tavros were reckless and obnoxious.
But she still was challenging Tavros to be the best he could be, not to intentionally inflict harm on him, but to hopefully ensure his survival of the game, and maybe even ascending to god tier although highly unlikely.

Don't mistaken me for someone attempting to convince you of her merit.
She is what she is, and her place in the story varies between everyone.

>>62119
heh, His point is to be the last one left to sing of the praises of the others as all true bards should do.

Shit, Jane, get to sleep!

so my guess is janey's gonna get murdered right before she gets to sleep, then she goes to sleep and wakes up on prospit and does the lifey thing or somethin like that

God Jane, quit acting like a 16 year old girl and take a nap.

>>62121
well arent you special

>>62116

I never really liked Gamzee to begin with, as the juggalo shtick ran very thin very quickly. Then him going crazy just felt forced, with "HONK HONK HONK OHHHHH SCARY" being REALLY irritating, none of it being funny. It just felt like the most god damn convenient plot device to cull the trolls. Eridan made sense for the most part (if the build up was a little too sudden, and really off tone with the goofy music), and Vriska vs. Tavros was a long time coming, but Gamzee... ugh.

Maybe not the most compelling argument, but I just can't really read anything involving him in the story later on, and consider Horrorstuck to the be the lowest point in the story.

Jack dies here

Calling it

Back to plot. Thank god.

Hoo boy. Someone's gonna get a hurt real bad.

>>62133
But... the romance, such as it is, is part of the plot?

Jack is going to kill Jane over and over again, and she'll just keep getting better afterwards.

Jack Noir will have to kill the unkillable. After every failure he will have to try again in some new way.

I expect great hijinks from this.

adrupr fugpr dfuh durperp drp relationshipsss!!!!!1 oneoz soem teen cnt undrstad hr feelns how saaaddd :(((((((((9

thank god we're back to plot now. jesus FUCK

>>62141

Could you act anymore like a child?

So uh.
Why the hell did the brobot just smash his heart?
I mean yeah it's a callback to Aradia but didn't Jake kinda need it?

I hope this doesn't lead to anything as silly as Jane using her life powers to kick Jack's ass!!!! or anything like that.

>>62148
He needed uranium. It's still uranium. Just a lot of smaller uranium.

>>62148
Because now Jake will have to talk to Dirk to get more uranium, see?

Hussie answered some great questions this time around.

>I think it’s more that [Dirk] really does watch [MLP] and evaluate it for whatever studious purposes he has, but just happens to like that one pony unironically.
>whatever studious purposes
Hm.

Also Jane/Roxy 500-page make-out confirmed!!! YES!!!

Biggest thing was that it just turned out Jane was just being a stupid teen girl. Welp

updoot
So I guess DD isn't in charge after all. :<

>Jane fucked up.
Sweet now kill her off so we can move on to characters that actually develop and story that actually progresses.

great call btw
not sure how i would cope knowing homestuck experts of your caliber weren't around to enrich me in such wisdom

>>62201
to here
>>62075
>>62081

>>62197
Ì_Í

>>62197

>Hussie's answer to “How far until UU is revealed?”

Lol it's like watching a dude say something is happening and then it keeps happening.

In other news, LIFEY THING CONFIRMED FOR EXTRA-LIFE INDUCING.

Mostly I'm just sad that Jake's dream corpse apparently wasn't around to be in the blast.

>>62205
If it takes months to make a character interesting and of relevance to the story by the time the readers see it they will either be uninterested and aggravated it took so long for this characters point in the story to get established, or they will simply be apathetic and wait for the plot to finally MOVE ON.

>>62202

I am eating my hat so hard right now. My gullet is absolutely stuffed with felty leathers and synthetic cloths. My only hope is to call Hussie a hack writer that loves shipping to try and deflect any attention from me.

But yeah, pretty surprised at that. I guess Jake and Dirk making out is CRITICAL TO THE PLOT. I really thought it was an angle with the Condense, as that would have been a nice twist, but oh well.

WHITE QUEEN YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>62192
Well then fuck her, there's a limit to just how much someone can fuck up without being brainwashed.

Wait, what?
Why is the queen wielding the king's scepter?

>>62221
The king's are just pussy-whipped figure-heads.

Also I believe he may or may not be an actual chess piece at this moment in time? Since the battlefield has not evolved.

>>62212

Hell the fuck yes

Fuck yeah, WQ!
I would seriously love it if the Condesce considers her a serious threat. I'd love to watch a war between the Queen and the Condesce, even if BQ ultimately has no chance of winning.

Oh and I guess the lack of prototypings is finally confirmed.

>>62226
>BQ
no

>>62221
"Honey let me borrow your scepter. Momma has to take care of a rat infestation."

So I'm not the only one who suddenly likes WQ way more after this right?

And I'm not the only one hoping that a new AR will be in this session, right? Because he was tied with WV for my favorite exile.

Whenever I think of Jane, this face comes to mind

>>62252
Peggy looks nothing like Jane, not even in the slightest.

However I believe ladybird captures Jane's personality and image quite nicely.

>>62252
"WQ, hoo yeah!"

>>62252
Get, Out.

lmao 2 cat

Jesus Christ so many meowcats.

Gooey Scarf!

mom-gooey is now a word

So does anybody remember Rose losing her scarf at some point?

>>62332
I don't.
And I'd be seriously surprised if this was Rose, too. All appearifiers we've seen so far were locked on one side of the Scratch, I don't see why this one would be different.

Yeah, this is the paradox slime of a!Mom, not our Rose.
She can lose her scarf all she wants, we wouldn't know either way.

roses scarf wasnt even striped

Isn't that Casey's scarf? A tiny bit big though.

Dammint Roxy, we meant be the RIDER!

FUCK YEAH! MAKE IT HAPPEN!

>>62343
I think she forgot you can also ride a bike...

>>62354
Professor Oak's word's echo in your mind....
"Now is not the time to use that."

I wonder if they have tiny motorcycles too...

GCat is the cutest asshole.

????????

teeny maplehoof is best character

>>62373
AND THE SHIPPERS GO WILD

I'm glad it's been acknowledged that Jaspersprite and Nannasprite are with John and Jade.

>>62373
Where did this come from?

>>62377
mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=pony2

>>62373

Just gonna point out that the last time we had Shippy single-images in a Ride segment it was John and Rose, which has since gone on to be more-or-less official.

Just sayin'.

And the other scribbles, I guess.

OH FUCK, GUYS, DANTE BASCO FOUND HOMESTUCK
http://rufiozuko.tumblr.com/
I can't fucking wait to see if he has the patience to get to the part where Andrew Hussie makes out with him

>>62382
>Dante Basco
>found Homestuck

Oh boy oh boy I hope nobody tells him. I want to see that reaction pure and first hand.

I really hope there's no explanation as to why this Maplehoof is so small. It just is.

>>62382
I'm feeling some preemptive second-hand embarrassment. Like when insane slash fangirls hand out porn fanfic to their favorite actors (whereas insane fanboys just give you death threats). Homestuck fandom is already nuts without THAT aspect.

rufiozuko.tumblr.com/post/17937045435/for-those-who-were-wondering-if-this-is-really
In between all the um and uh-ing, this is totally my new Tavros voice.

>>62386
Suddenly I want nothing more than a studio-produced Homestuck cartoon. Who can we send links to?

Gainax?

>>62382
That's cool, but I'm more amused by the fact that he chose "rufiozuko" as his Tumblr URL.

>>62379
sez u

>>62387

definitely them. that would be amazing.

>>62387
>>62390

Studio 4°C would be better. Just sayin'

haha hussie calm down

>>62392
oh my god I'm laughing so fucking hard right now

>>62392
This is the beginning of a beautiful friendship to take advantage of and go Hollywood :')

maybe if dante basco gets really into homestuck we will finally have a good homestuck voice actor

(aside from general ivan and that one roxy, they are pretty okay)

>What do you think this is, Act 6 Intermission 2??

>That'll be happening pretty soon, don't worry. Let's all try to settle down here.

That's good, we're moving at a pretty decent pace. So I guess the intermissions will just follow the kids and trolls over the course of the three year journey. John and Jade will probably explore the planets and learn more about their lands, and maybe denizens, while Rose and Dave + co. will do more dream bubble shit, and WACKY ROMANCE will ensue.

And something is coming for Roxy now. I would guess that it'd be something Crocker sent after her, like we saw with Dirk. Should be interesting with GCat there.

>>62382
RE: Dante Basco reading Homestuck.

A quote from the tumblr.

>Anyhow… thanks for all the messages, I appreciate hearing from everyone, although as far as Homestuck goes, I half feel like you guys are setting me up for some big practical joke and after hours of reading this thing I’m going to click onto the next page and jack-in-the-box is going to pop out of the screen of my computer saying, “Got you!”

Yeah, there's pretty much no way this is not just leading up to that Hussie/Rufio moment. I don't know how I'd react if I were in his shoes. Any way it goes down, this can only be amazing.

>>62396
>And something is coming for Roxy now
It's Sawtooth

Drunken rap-off, make it happen Huss

Yeah...uh, what?

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON BUT OH MY GOSH I'M EXCITED FOR IT

WHAT

WHAT

WAIT

WHAT

An army of Dersite exiles.

BUT OF COURSE.

Isn't that the same lab found on Rose's planet? Is Roxy actually on her player planet before formally entering the game? It makes sense if so, because there's lots of evidence to suggest everything is in place with or without players actually being there or starting.

I'm guessing the Condesce is getting a head start on exiling.

>>62404
>you_walked_into_the_wrong_neighborhood.gif

Eh, Roxy knowing about trolls and troll culture is a bit more outlandish than some exiles being around her area.

some people on the forums are speculating that dirk and roxy are somehow farther along in the timeline than jane and jake

which idk kinda makes sense but kinda doesnt

>>62416

We've had enough timeline shenanigans and non-linearity that it would be pretty frustrating at this point. I've liked that it's fairly straight-forward at this point, with the story just going back in time to catch up with another kid. I don't see what the point would be of having them in the future or something. The chats sync up, and the only weird thing so far is exiles for Roxy, which is entirely possible. Defense portal meteors can go anywhere at any time, like the 8 that brought all the beta babies to pre-scratch earth. Not out of the question that a meteor or battleship full of Dersites landed in the fairly wild area around Roxy/Rose's house.

Remember that the game has, in a sense, been going for two and a half years already. It's the Condesce who has been postponing the release date for the alpha just so she could set things up ahead of the Teens' entry into the Medium. Immediately exiling a whole bunch of Dersites and placing them on earth before the gates to the Medium even opened... wow

Seriously, the way she twists and turns the rules and limitations of this game is amazing and horrifying.

>>62416
Yeah, it's probably this. Making things needlessly complicated is something Hussie likes to do.

>>62416
Nah. Not much different from Dave and Rose having shit on lock way earlier than John and Jade knew wtf was going on.

>>62419

>CG: SERIOUSLY WHY WOULD IT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT EARTH'S PAST OR FUTURE OR WHATEVER, FROM IT'S PERSPECTIVE IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF POINTS TO CHOOSE FROM.

I don't see where you're getting it from that they're from the current time in the medium. They're just from the reckoning most likely.

This Dante Basco stuff going on with MSPA and the guy himself is just cracking me up I can't

>>62423
Well, it's entirely possible the Condesce sent them all back in time with the Reckoning so that they could fuck with the Teens' progress.

But since there aren't any prototypings, can there even be a Reckoning in this session? After all, the Battlefield is just a huge chessboard with two pieces eternally moving around the board without being able to attack the other. We also know that the Condesce somehow entered the Session herself without being either a player or inside the house of one when they installed Sburb. It's just as likely that she has another way of moving between the session and our universe, and with her time majjyyks she wouldn't have any trouble spreading these exiles wherever she wanted across the timeline.

Not to press the Basco thing, but . . .
>Dave has an AKAI MPC-1000… that’s dope.
>& just got told I have to read the “pesterings”… thanks @mpanighetti
>Things are making more sense now.

Are you kidding me? He's partway into Act 2 and hasn't been reading the pesterlogs?
No wonder nothing made sense to him.

>fandom's face when

>>62427
I'll admit: I was just skimming through/completely skipping the pesterlogs my first read-through.

>>62429
I really don't get why some people do this, the pesterlogs are the best part of Homestuck.

He just had to ruin a good thing :(

I wonder if reading this guy's tumblr reactions is going to be like that time hupla basically gave us a livestream of reactional recaps.

I love watching people watch/play/read things for the first time 8)

>>62430
Obvious to us now. But to any first time reader, they could appear as... a bit much. Sometimes people just don't see how important/great they are at first or they're just feeling a little impatient. Really, an understandable mistake.

>>62431
>Andrew Pussie
>PUSSIE

>>62436
Wow i am an idiot. Id use it being 330am as an excuse but really I should have checked.

good that he isnt spoiled though!

he sped through the entire thing


in one night

>>62443

I think by "caught up" he meant he got back to the point he was in the story, with having read all the pesterlogs. If he actually got to Act 6, he'd probably bring up the sloppy maekoutz.

what if

what if these guys are the Felt pre-English mutations.

Hmm... nah.

Shenanigans are go!

looks like roxy's voidstuck

Suffling out a new thread, brb.

>>62453
Shuffling* every day

Dammit, I'm almost as bad as Roxy now.

Maybe Dirk will turn it on...