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61821 No. 61821
figured it was time for a new thread

what ???
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>> No. 61822
Fuck.
>> No. 61823
Is dat some dreambubble Mindfang, or did Vris get a MAJOR wardrobe upgrade?
>> No. 61824
Well this is odd. But I guess that's to be expected from a post-dreamself dream. Let us not forget the horror show that was Jade's first post-dreamself dream.
>> No. 61825
I'm assuming she's the Vriska/Mindfang from the troll's pre-scratch session. At least, that's the best justification I can think of.
>> No. 61827
That Sufferer's symbol sure is pretty brazenly displayed, don't you think?
>> No. 61828
What the fuck is going on here?
>> No. 61829
okay.png
>> No. 61830
>>61827
That's not the end of the weirdness. Her glasses are all...cat's-eye and Redglare/Terezi-esque. And her hair is cut short. The hell is this.
>> No. 61831
AWWWW SHEEET
Pre-scratch mindfang up in this shit.
>> No. 61832
You know, it's worth mentioning that all ectobiology creations are combinations of two people..

Terezi + Vriska = Mindfang?

Karkat + Nepeta = UU?
>> No. 61833
>>61832
I thought that was just how it worked for people and trolls had weird genetics made from buckets.
>> No. 61834
>>61825
>>61827

I thought she was pre-scratch babby Mindfang too, but the Sufferer came from the post-scratch universe! Why would she be wearing that symbol?

I ... I have to admit I am a little tired rather than intrigued
>> No. 61835
>>61834
I thought symbols and things were re-used constantly between pre and post scratch universes, like bunnies and things. That's still a good question, though. Did the sufferer's symbol mean something different pre-scratch?
>> No. 61836
> fashionable outfit
> cheerful
> inexplicably troll-christian

oh shit it's a fantrollified vriska

get in the car
>> No. 61837
What?


What?


Yup, I have been thoroughly confused.
>> No. 61838
>>61832
Mindfang and the ancestors are all their own paradox clones though, like with the alpha kids. This is likely just plain ol' pre-Scratch Mindfang.
>> No. 61839
Everybody break out the gaudy v-neck SWEATERS, it's time to get introduced to the pre-Scratch trolls!
>> No. 61840
>>61835
What if alpha trolls = pre-Scratch trolls? UU had red half-cancer cufflinks. It was said that Karkat's cover story was prepped in advance. Maybe the red/gray cancer symbols have something to do with this.
>> No. 61841
>Goody two shoes first session Vriska
aw shit!
>> No. 61842
Honestly, if this does imply we'll be seeing pre-scratch trolls, I would really not mind, frightening fan business aside. In fact, I'd welcome it.
>> No. 61843
Meh
>> No. 61844
>>61840
That's what I've been thinking. I mean, with all the build up of pre-scratch trolls, it would just be weird not to see them actually do something.
>> No. 61845
I hope in my heart that at some point in the comics, the O-kids,the Alpha kids,the Trolls,the Ancestors,the Pre-scratch trolls,the Exiles, the Consorts, and whatever sprites are still active, all find themselves in one cramped area, and someone(Dave) mentions that there are ENTIRELY too many people involved with this shit to get anything done.
>> No. 61846
This has become a clusterfuck of titanic proportions and I'm loving every second of it.
>> No. 61847
hussie stop

we didn't need this
>> No. 61848
Is this going to reach Bleach level of cast, so many characters with many of them useless and poorly represented in the writing, except Hussie will get off on killing them off in short-order instead of keeping them alive through all sots of horrible inujuries even though they should be dead?
>> No. 61852
>>61848
The fact that it hasn't already is just weird. Maybe if he killed a few more characters first. Also, it could mean more characters like Feferi who do maybe one or two things and then die. They're always fun.
>> No. 61854
There's so many fanarts of this Vriska/Terezi bitch already, jesus christ

>>61852
I don't get off on random pointless culling so no
>> No. 61855
>>61848
Well fortunately for you, these guys are already dead
>> No. 61856
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61856
GO HUSS GO.
>> No. 61858
>>61856
Nepeta has by far the largest pool of humorously deformed reaction images. I love it.
>> No. 61859
Oh look. More characters who are also probably going to be shoddily introduced and never used. Does this mean we have to deal with pre-scratch ancestors too?

Oh wait, they've all probably been pre-killed off. How convenient.
>> No. 61861
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61861
>>61854
>> No. 61863
From the eyes, this character is already a ghost. So no killing necessary, it's all in the past.

Dead people in dreambubbles don't do much beyond talking to visitors (or at least, for now), so it's not like the story is threatening to fall apart.


Also, Dead Jake dreamself=>dream bubbles visits for Jake, nice. Not sure why I didn't see it coming!
>> No. 61864
Retro nerd librarian look. Post-scratch Mindfang was into prose. I get the feeling this one's some kind of novelist.
>> No. 61866
>Jake has a little <3????????

oh Jake, even you don't know what you're into
>> No. 61867
>>61866
Well at least this one might not be a horribly evil bitch so Jake won't look like such a wanker when he brushes off all the shit she did. Or maybe she'll be worse? Who knows
>> No. 61869
>>61866
It's actually a little <????????
Three of the four quadrant symbols can be written starting with a less-than sign.
>> No. 61875
Seriously, even Dirk's moment of total fucking awesome didn't get as much fanart as the first sight of this chick is getting. Shipping and Character pics of her as far as the eye can see.

It's kind of over the top when we don't even know anything about her yet.
>> No. 61876
>>61875
Well, UU got fanart BEFORE we knew what she looked like. The fandom's just like that.
Come to think of it, I'm surprised I haven't seen any fanart of UU's "brother" yet.
>> No. 61877
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61877
>showing ALL 12 OF THE PRESCRATCH TROLLS
>> No. 61879
>>61877
Get Ready For "HIVEBENT: THE SEQUELING"!
>> No. 61880
>>61875
We know she's some sort of Mindfang, the most badass and fan-popular of the ancestors. Good enough.
>> No. 61881
>>61880
So its vriskafags & mindfags all the way down huh?

Enjoy your overrated rapist if you want, but you're still jumping the gun.
>> No. 61886
>>61877
Don't forget their ancestors, that is, pre scratch Karkat and the rest. We gotta see those guys too!
>> No. 61887
it could just be that vriska changed her clothing
>> No. 61888
>>61886
Oh god.
500 pages later, IT'S TIME TO SEE THE PRE-SCRATCH ORIGINAL TROLLS
NO HUSS NO
>> No. 61895
Pre Scratch likely had 13 players, including UU. The scratch might remove the 13th sign for some reason.

At this point, it pretty much goes like this, right?

John's Session scratches into Jane's Session which creates PreScratch Trolls' session which scratches into Karkat's session which creates John's session until infinity.

Isn't that....uh....isn't that horrifying?
>> No. 61896
>>61895
How long do you think The Husster could keep such a recursive plot going and still have a number of diehard fans? I'm thinking its a fairly long time, though thats mainly due to the staying power of fanaticism.
>> No. 61897
>>61895
>It's all a causality loop of SBURB sessions.

This is definitely an older theory from when how the scratch ACTUALLY works was found out. Still not confirmed yet (and neither is that we'll see all the incarnations of every troll ever, so stop panicking).

So, dealing with the best in story evidence we have, I would like to remind everyone of this little tid bit.

>UU: it is the day whereafter the legendary octet of mUtUal progenitoriety will come together and heal a great breach in paradox space.
>UU: a day delivered throUgh eighty billion years and foUr distinct Universal instances worth of Unfathomable tUrbUlence.
>UU: and while the emerald eye of this storm is fixed in the abyss forever
>UU: today yoU are poised to escape its scowl once and for all.
>UU: by skaias gUiding light, yoU may leave behind its tUrning arms of bright coloUrs and mayhem, and secUre peace for yoUr cosmic progeny for all dUration.

So, Green Sun business as a whole is a "great breach" in paradox space (kind of a funny thought). Most notably though is the "secure peace for your cosmic progeny" bit. So, at least as far as UU knows, things will sort of be fixed up by the end of things, and the universe created jointly by the kids, either using the tadpole that got dropped in the Forge or some other means, will be a safe place free of Green Sun dirtiness, and likely everyone will escape there.

Funny thing is, this still leaves exactly all the options open for how things actually go down. The kid's Alpha session could end up making the Pre-Scratch Troll's universe and they all simply find "elsewhere" to go. Or the Pre-Scratch Troll's universe was made by some other species, probably the Squiddle's session, and the kids' frog will be some other place to live free of Green Sunniness. Or they could make a new universe and it's still trapped in the Green Sun's influence and they still have to escape elsewhere (though this is only possible if UU's prediction is incorrect; unreliable narrator is not a thing Hussie is above).

RANDOM FARFETCH'D IDEA

UU is from the universe the Kids end up making. I know that evidence points more towards her being from the Troll's Pre-Scratch universe and having some source of info about the sessions to come "after" hers. But, it's not necessarily impossible that they make a universe of Troll's that's NOT the Troll's Pre-Scratch Universe. Probably.
>> No. 61898
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61898
So, looking at the right side of her hair... I think maybe it's just normal Vriska.
>> No. 61899
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61899
>>61898
And Kanaya's actually John in disguise? Brilliant!
>> No. 61900
What if she's not a new character but instead she's just a crazy dream Jake's having.

Like a normal, non prophetic dream???
>> No. 61901
I really like how the curled up tinkerbulls just kind of fly off Jake's sprite. Reminds me of when the kids would get shit out of the way by jumping on tables and kicking and scooting stuff off.

>>61900
Hahahahaha
>> No. 61902
>>61901
I like how Jake was out for maybe a minute and all the bulls were like, "Oh! It must be naptime!"
>> No. 61904
>>61902
Not to mention they seem to have no problem curling up next to him despite having just killed like four of them in the last hour.
>> No. 61906
>>61875
it makes perfect sense when you realize the vast majority of fans started reading the comic in act five and skip any part not abut the trolls.
>> No. 61907
Aside from hair, Jake's dreaming about a blue alien girl. Dead!Vriska could easily have wound up looking like this just to troll.
>> No. 61908
>>61907
actually he's dreaming about a grey girl wearing blue

she is not neytiri tier at all, 0/10 would not bang
>> No. 61909
>>61906
I hope you're not serious, cause if you are then you're kind of delusional. Yes, that group exists, but it's a minority, and not a big one.
They just tend to a) be kind of loud and b) stick in your memory because you and the people who led you to believe they're so many get so very mad at them.
>> No. 61911
>>61909
The real reasons behind the fanart wave are these:

- She is a new character, when Dirk putting HB's head on a pike was an establishing moment of greatness from an existing character.
- Dirk's scene was, well, a scene. They take more time and effort to draw than a portrait. It is easy and simple for an artist to barf out a bust of Young Mindfang (??) though.
- People really loved Vriska and Mindfang, and they are excited that perhaps they are back in the story after a year's absence. She also bears resemblance to Terezi, and people also really liked the Terezi-Vriska dynamic which was, again, put to rest a year ago.
- I guess people really like her design? I think it is kind of sucky but whatever, I'm probably not in the majority.
>> No. 61914
>>61909

Most of the fandom really did start reading in Act 5, though.
Like, factually.
>> No. 61915
>>61914
yep. including me (act 5 act 2, right after jade: enter) and, i'm sure, plenty of people here.
>> No. 61918
>>61914
Are we going to make that a bad thing? Are we all going to be Homestuck hipsters who say "Yeah I was reading Homestuck BEFORE the trolls"?
>> No. 61919
>>61915
I started reading right around the time Horrorstuck was becoming a thing. So, around halfway through 5.2.

Even so, that's more than a year ago at this point. Act five is LOOOOOOOONG.
>> No. 61920
>>61848
More like Dragon Ball levels.

>>61911
It's been a year since that?

Also, ok wait everybody. Are we talking about where the story was when people decided to read through HS, or are we talking about where people started to actually read the story, like excluding previous pages? Because the latter makes no bloody sense to do. That's like opening up, shit any book, and reading it from the center of the book. That's really bizarre.
>> No. 61921
>>61920
what are you talking about, nobody does the second one
>> No. 61922
>>61921
Lots of people did the latter with homestuck
>> No. 61923
>>61921
Yes there are D:
Apparently the pacing of the first act is extremely off putting, and some people really don't give a shit about characters who aren't trolls.

Dude. I've run into folk who thought the alpha kids were just gender-flipped beta kids.
>> No. 61924
>>61923
Those are horrible people that need to remove themselves from the genepool.
If anything its when the story focuses on the trolls or thier ancestors that it will reach its lowest point, dragging on seemingly forever.
>> No. 61929
>>61922
>>61923
ha ha ha yeah yeah funny joke guys

uggghh
>> No. 61930
>>61923
i am pretty sure that those people are only mythological beings at this point. if they only read for the trolls and about the trolls--having skipped at least half of the story--they have dropped it as homestuck no longer has anything to offer them. considering most of them are dead and the story has long since turned its eyes back on human players and all.
>> No. 61936
>>61930
That's right. They quit reading and now they only care about fanfiction, especially the troll-centric AUs.

A lot of them never read the comic at all. Any of it. There are a couple moderately well-known fanartists who have never read a single page of Homestuck and just heard about the trolls from other fans.
>> No. 61940
And now you know the story of how the homestuck fandom transformed from a little group of dudes who all knew each other's names, to a pretty weird bunch that some of us on +4 had fun making fun of while drunkposting, to a horrifying cancerous blight. The next step is troll otherkin. I don't dare find out if they already exist.
>> No. 61942
I don't understand why so many people like to obsess over how other people read and interpret the comic

Seriously, what do you get out of it besides getting mad at these random people. Yeah turns out there's a lot of weird and dumb people out on the internet WHAT AN ATROCITY
>> No. 61943
>>61942
You know what I hate? People whining about people complaining about wierdo's.
>> No. 61945
you know what i hate

whining about stupid things that don't matter to anyone

shut up
>> No. 61946
>>61945
You first
>> No. 61951
Ok, so Jake had a non-Prospit dream. Therefore many of us conclude his dreamself is dead. Especially him dream meeting a troll points to this conclusion.

I'm bringing this up because of Jane's LIFEY THING. Still not conclusive at all, but a lot of us are hoping that her LIFEY THING basically revived her dreamself after the ball dropped.

What my Hope is (haha) is that somehow Jake's Dreamself doesn't stay dead, since it would be unsymmetrical/unfair/just plain suck if Jake were the only one who didn't even get a chance to achieve God Tier.

Hopeful speculation:
Jake's dreamself is in a coma, not actually dead.
Jake's dreamself is dead, but Jane's LIFE explosion revives him.

That latter would explain his VOID encounter with presumably Pre-Scratch Mindfang. Anyone know what time frame Jake's recent blackout is relative to when Jane's dreamself gets Jack'd?

>>61908
Congrats on being the last post until this one actually talking about the comic and not circle jerking.

>> No. 61952
>>61951
If you really don't want to keep it going you should stop talking about it. I mean, thats the logical course of action.

Anyway there's gonna be a loophole even if he is truly dead on the dream-side, and its not like a...allergy coma. or he becomes LE instead of going god-tier of course.
>> No. 61956
>>61952

Honestly I'm rather worried about that. Scratch and Rose's Conversation is what I'm quoting here:

>Because, much like the decisions you must face to complete your dual suicide missions, you have two ways of achieving godhood to choose from.
>TT: Two ways?
>TT: By dying on the Quest Bed on my planet, and some other way?
>Yes.
>TT: Is there another Quest Bed somewhere?
>Yes. Good guess, Seer.
>TT: Where?
>What difference does it make? You already know where the first one is. You have the choice to go there right now and take your own life.

Doc Scratch plays with his cards up. He never says things that are false, only lies of omission, which, apparently, aren't actually lies in his not-eyes. You might think that his "Good guess" reply to there being two Quest Beds leaves room for a loophole, but not only does he say "You already know where the first one [quest bed] is", but we know from canon that there are Quest Beds in the center of the moons of Prospit and Derse.

The only ways we've seen anyone ascend to the God Tiers are 1) having your normalself die on your planet's quest bed, which then combines/transfers your consciousness into your dreamself which becomes God Tier, and 2) having no physical self alive and having your dreamself die on a Prospit/Derse Quest Bed.

As anyone who's read the comic should know, just because we've seen some cases doesn't mean that we know the actual rules being followed, just that each thing we've seen follows the rules as they are, even if we don't know them.

Again, while this type of skepticism would normally leave room for speculation on other ways to achieve God Tier, Doc Scratch's words are the exception here. There are two "ways" to get to God Tier. Scratch said that's because there are two Quest Beds for each player. And every God Tier we've seen has ended up in their dreamself's body.

But maybe I'm being too harsh. We STILL don't know the limits of the Quest Beds. It may be that planetary Quest Beds only work on physical selves if they have a dream self to occupy. It may be that the moons' Quest Beds only work on dreamselves that don't have a physical body they connect to. Or it may be that moon Quest Beds work on any incarnation of a player, and just use the one that's there on the bed. Or it may be that all quest beds are the same, and they just prefer to shunt you into your dreamself if you have one, and will make do with the body on them if that's all that you have. The point is we really don't know.

Hmm, I started out pretty doubtful, but this is leaving quite a bit of room for HOPE. (hee hee)
>> No. 61957
>>61956
Wait, doesn't kissing a dying "real"self cause the dream self to become the "real"self? Thus maybe it's not that a dream self must die in the center of one of the kingdom's moons but rather a "real"self. Jake would have a chance to got tiger if this was the case.
>> No. 61960
>>61957
Nah, being a revived dreamsele is different. You get to fly because it's convenient for the story.
>> No. 61961
>>61960
The only ones who flew after they were revived would be Sollux and the Derse siblings. Sollux could always fly and maybe Rose and Dave were just moon hopping and just looked like they were flying? They both already could jump pretty fucking high and maybe Derse has low gravity. Not a strong argument but, you know...
>> No. 61962
maybe everyone can hover on derse and prospit, it's not a property of the body at all, it's the environment

if the waking self managed to get to one of them, they would be able to fly too

problem solved
>> No. 61963
Sometimes I think I analyze and over think Homestuck things way too much and feel bad about it. Then I come here.

Thanks guys :3c
>> No. 61964
(update)
Welp, that settles that!
no it doesn't
>> No. 61965
What the fuck was that?
>> No. 61966
JANE YOU DAMN TIGHTASS
*HOW* DID YOU EVEN MANAGE TO FUCK THIS UP
UGH
>> No. 61967
WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING
>> No. 61968
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61968
hussie what the ever-loving-fuck did you do now?
>> No. 61969
>Neither side was willing to put themselves out until the other one did
>Dirk is the only one willing to blunder out of his magical phone booth and make a ballad-inspiring play for Jake's throbbing beef truncheon
>Jake confirmed for crush on dead troll catholic mindfang

Right, so Jake x Roxy OTP is quickly becoming where I'm placing all my bets.
>> No. 61971
That is the Greatest Face I hope it becomes a callback every five panels
>> No. 61972
Dang, the brobot is being really weird, haha. What's it up to?

Also oh my god, Janey. I really want to know what Roxy's reaction to Jane's response will be.
>> No. 61973
oh janey janey janny jany
>> No. 61976
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61976
DAMNIT JANE YOU WERE SOOOO FUCKING CLOSE AND YOU BLEW IT

YOU

DUMPSHIT

>> No. 61977
My guess is that she isn't going for it because she wants Dirk have a chance with him. Kind of like how Rox didn't go after him for Jane's sake. When Roxy inevitable gets pissed at Jane for this she'll end up being a hypocrite.

Of course, that's just my take on this.
>> No. 61978
>>61977
I don't think so, we got a reaction shot of Jane doing The Greatest Face when it was impossible for Jake to see her. She would have looked disappointed in having to lie to Jake about her feelings.
>> No. 61979
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61979
it's ogviously a conspiracy
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