New art! Some sexy sketches

And a bootylicious Diva

updated op pic

New characters: Cloud Man and his wife Cloud Woman aka the villainess Tempest Lady

>The idea of the superhero wife who leads a double life as a villainess caught my attention. I'm not sure about the cheating part; I just see her as a bored housewife who gets her fill of thrills and excitement by leading a supervillainess life, doing what she wants, wrecking shit up, wearing provocative outfits, flirting with the baddest boys out there – but I don't know about the cheating part. But maybe that's just me.

>Ah, and by the way, I based them on the names "Cloud Man & Cloud Woman" from one of the scripts.

>As I see them, none of them is much of an asshole to the other or a pushover or whatever. They're just two very different and not quite compatible people, who both feel that incompatibility, but instead of confronting it or dealing with it, they just push on desperately trying to make the relationship work. But they're very different persons, with different interests and life goals and interesting.

>Cloud Man is a talented professor who invented the Cloud Controlling Contraption that gives him his powers. To market his invention to the investors, he hired a young upstart actress, who he posed as his "sidekick", "Cloud Girl". After he got his sponsorships, he started working as a corporate-sponsored superhero, partly as a way to test and promote his contraption. Cloud Girl stayed with him, and soon became his partner Cloud Woman. Later they started a workplace relationship married. But some time later, Cloud Woman became bored with this scientist-superhero life, missing her wild bohemian actress life. She decided to lead a double life as a villainess (maybe one of the supervillains convinced her to do that?) Tempest Lady, using her cloud powers in a more sinister way.

>>50608
I can't help but imagine they have Cloud Kids too. A whole family enterprise. Maybe the kids' names are Stratus and Cumulonimbus.

>>50608
What if her name as a villain were The Tempest Temptress?

Wtf. Did the thread just die?

>>50609
Frankly, I don't see CW as a mom. Her behavior would seem just too irresponsible and bad. If it's a childless marriage, well, she's just a bored housewife looking for new thrills. If she's a mom, that's just very irresponsible to the kids, and I don't think such feels would fit well with the lighthearted tone of the project, frankly.

>>50610
I like this name! But how about... Tempestress?

>>50608
I think the cheating part may come up later in the story (if it comes up at all). At the start, she could just lead a wild life, which includes a lot of partying and flirting with a lot of men, but no actual cheating.

I didn't see the thread this week :(

>>50605
I still think a shemagh type mask for TT would be better.
of course with a tiger theme on it.

Give expression on eyes and more intimidating.

Writefag here, the thread unfortunately died already. I'm on vacation and was unable to get to steady Internet until just now so I wasn't able to post in the thread like normal. Next week I won't be able to contribute much either (although maybe a little early on) but hopefully we can get more good ideas done in the meantime.

I like the idea for Cloudman and Cloudwoman, with Cloudwoman being a villain by night using the dark side of her powers. I think it would make a really good plot for an issue, perhaps something dealing with the some of or all of the Supermoms working with the duo, battling against this evil villain, who is really Cloudwoman herself!

>>50610
I like this name.

>>50615
That kind of works, since TT is supposed to be kind of intimidating. But she has to take that mask off like 50% times, since it's difficult to show emotions with a covered mouth.

>>50618
If I ever get to writing the "Beverly's ex-BF" issue, which I want to, I think I can use it in it, since it has kind of similar themes. Or maybe it should be a different issue. I'm thinking that the identity of Tempestress/Tempest Temptress should be only revealed in the end of the issue, and maybe only to the reader (the heroes would thwart Tempestress' plans, but won't learn she's Cloud Woman).

Let's address the elephant in the room.

Please read my whole post before typing up an angry or dismissive response.

Candy/Diva is the most boring character among the Supermoms. Everyone on /co/ rates her as the least favorite. And I have to agree with them. Some artists are desperately trying to make her more appealing by giving her "dat ass", but I really don't see it having much effect. Former R&B singer? Can you relate to that in 2014? Be honest, does that really draw your attention?

You want my advice? Redesign Candy as a fitness & yoga instructor or a tennis coach (former tennis player, could loosely base on the Williams sisters). We have no athletic characters among the Supermoms. I think Candy could fill that role perfectly.

Would you rather see Candy in one of those retro sparkly costumes as a (former) rhythm & blues singer, or Candy sweating in yoga pants, sports bra and headband singing "One-two, ♫ one-two, now one leg up! ♫ " as a fitness & yoga instructor?

You can still keep some of her vocal abilities. For example you can change her story as a girl who was taught how to sing by her parents and for her superpower you can make her "singing" (instructor chanting) have a strong hypnotic effect.

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I'm really typing this on the fly and I have no intention of re-organizing this rambling of a post, because I just thought of another idea. IF you guys are vehemently opposed to this drastic change for Candy/Diva... then why not keep everything we have so far about Diva -- she can still be a former R&B singer and everything -- but NOW instead of being unemployed, she has become a fitness & yoga instructor already for the past few years.

I can see you some of you rejecting the first idea because of the amount of work that has already been spent on making the Diva character, but I cannot see you rejecting this second idea of making her current occupation a fitness instructor instead of being unemployed doing nothing.

The bottom line is Diva's character needs further discussion and revamping because we cannot deny her current lack of appeal, throw our arms up saying "lel whatever too bad" and just leave it at that.

>>50620
yeah, She not active hero. I imagine pull it down since when wearing it these days she wears it as a momento of the good ol' days and get 'her head in the game' in training or what not.

Also give excuse to be expressive with the eyes, you know?

>>50622
>Candy/Diva is the most boring character among the Supermoms. Everyone on /co/ rates her as the least favorite. And I have to agree with them. Some artists are desperately trying to make her more appealing by giving her "dat ass", but I really don't see it having much effect. Former R&B singer? Can you relate to that in 2014? Be honest, does that really draw your attention?

I don't think she's boring, you need to give the character a chance.

>You want my advice? Redesign Candy as a fitness & yoga instructor or a tennis coach (former tennis player, could loosely base on the Williams sisters). We have no athletic characters among the Supermoms. I think Candy could fill that role perfectly.

Diva is staying as a former singer. End of discussion.

We cannot make huge changes to the characters, otherwise we will scare off artists and writers. It's too late right now.

I think Sig Rune is considered athletic anyway.

>Would you rather see Candy in one of those retro sparkly costumes as a (former) rhythm & blues singer, or Candy sweating in yoga pants, sports bra and headband singing "One-two, ♫ one-two, now one leg up! ♫ " as a fitness & yoga instructor?

Probably second one, but I think I've already seen Sig Rune in fitness clothing.

>I'm really typing this on the fly and I have no intention of re-organizing this rambling of a post, because I just thought of another idea. IF you guys are vehemently opposed to this drastic change for Candy/Diva... then why not keep everything we have so far about Diva -- she can still be a former R&B singer and everything -- but NOW instead of being unemployed, she has become a fitness & yoga instructor already for the past few years.

Maybe. I do agree that unemployment doesn't sound exciting. But the whole point of Supermoms is that super-heroines are really just living double lives as ordinary moms with ordinary lives.

>The bottom line is Diva's character needs further discussion and revamping because we cannot deny her current lack of appeal, throw our arms up saying "lel whatever too bad" and just leave it at that.

Again, I think her "lack of appeal" is due to the fact we've hardly seen her. Give the current Diva a chance.

>>50622
Hi! I won't yell at you, actually I'm gonna say thanks for such an in-depth analysis! Not often people do that.

I agree that as of now, Diva is the least popular of the Supermoms. Let's analyze the points you make, and see if there's a solution.

>Some artists are desperately trying to make her more appealing by giving her "dat ass", but I really don't see it having much effect.
Could it be just because we got ~2.5 arts of Diva, compared to over9000 pics of Star-Striker, Tropica or Mend? But then again, you could argue "cause and effect"... maybe she gets few drawings because people don't like her... Dunno.

>Former R&B singer? Can you relate to that in 2014?
Well, firstly, the style is still alive (though not as popular as it was then). Secondly, a question to the oldfags: have you not fap-- I mean, fawned over Mariah Carey or Janet Jackson back in the day? And lastly, the style doesn't really matter. We can just omit it, and say she's an "ex pop-star". The style is not an important point for her character, the music stardom is.

>Be honest, does that really draw your attention?
I think, the thing that should draw your attention are her awesome powers, her personality or her sex appeal. Not the style of her music.

>Redesign Candy as a fitness & yoga instructor or a tennis coach (former tennis player, could loosely base on the Williams sisters).
We already have a fitness instructor character (Taekkyon Tiger). As for tennis player, super tennis powers? It may be me, but I don't see it as more exciting than super sound/music powers.

>We have no athletic characters among the Supermoms. I think Candy could fill that role perfectly.
Actually, we do.
Sig Rune is the resident musclegirl. She's the melee tank, having superstrength and supertoughness, and a lot of mythical melee weapons. Her body is tall and muscled.
Star-Striker is also a melee fighter, but not a superhuman one (rather like Batman or Nightwing). She tries to keep herself in shape to be able to perform all those crazy martial arts.
Kaiju is also pretty fit, though more like acrobatic/parkour.
So there, you have it, three fit characters (well, 2.5).
Meanwhile, we have no "big booty" member...

>Would you rather see [...] Candy sweating in yoga pants
Of course I do! Actually, I want to see all of them sweating in yoga pants (or equivalents thereof). And – that's why their HQ is disguised as a "Yoga & Pilates Club"! I definitely hope future scripts will include scenes of them doing exercises in their club.

>for her superpower you can make her "singing" (instructor chanting) have a strong hypnotic effect.
But we already have at least two characters (both villains, though) with different type of hypnotic effects: Phero-Mona (whose Fumes affect peoples' instincts and thus control their behavior) and Headmaster (whose whole schtick is hypnosis).


I'm really typing this on the fly and I have no intention of re-organizing this rambling of a post, because I just thought of another idea. IF you guys are vehemently opposed to this drastic change for Candy/Diva... then why not keep everything we have so far about Diva -- she can still be a former R&B singer and everything -- but NOW instead of being unemployed, she has become a fitness & yoga instructor already for the past few years.

I can see you some of you rejecting the first idea because of the amount of work that has already been spent on making the Diva character, but I cannot see you rejecting this second idea of making her current occupation a fitness instructor instead of being unemployed doing nothing.

>The bottom line is Diva's character needs further discussion and revamping because we cannot deny her current lack of appeal, throw our arms up saying "lel whatever too bad" and just leave it at that.
I agree with that! I definitely want to see her succeed, because I want to see her have a more prominent role in stories, and more hot art of her!

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Now, please don't be discouraged by my comments. First, these are, like, just my opinions, man. Second, I may be wrong. Am I wrong? If so, please correct me.

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And now, I'd like to express some of my thoughts on why Diva may be not quite popular.
>1. Personality
Star-Striker is all leader-y and righteous and kind of pushy. Tropica is flirty and fiesty. Kaiju is shy and reserved. Sig Rune is a stoic barbarian type. Mend is sweet and motherly, and a former tomboy. But who is Diva?
From what I've read, some write her as a sassy "oh no you di'nt" lady, some as a cheerful always friendly woman, some as a somewhat flirty woman always on search for a man. But, well, cheerful? Mend is more cheerful. Flirty? Tropica is more flirty. Essentially, she is a bit bland, personality-wise.
>2. Costume
I really don't want to start another costume war... but I feel that Diva's costume is kind of indecisive. In this project, all those costumes are pretty sexualized. Which means, they heavily accentuate certain body parts and curves. But Diva's costume, it's kinda like it can't decide where it wants to draw our attention to. It just has holes all over the place... and actually, her supposed main feature, the booty, isn't accentuated at all!

What could I suggest? I need to think more about this, but right now, I have one idea:
In the last thread, there was a suggestion to switch Diva and Mend's origins a bit. Make Diva's powers alien-based (a lot of things point to it: the futuristic costume, the visor, the whole construct-making thing that can't be explained by a simple mutation, etc), and have a non-alien punch Mend in the lips.
If so, we could play up the alien theme a bit with Diva. Maybe tweak the costume a bit, as it's alien and can look a bit more weird and futuristic. Strategically organize holes so that they don't look all over the place.
As for the personality... I don't know at the moment. Let's discuss!

What's the style of humor in Supermoms anyway?

The whole alien-punching-lips thing didn't make any sense to me at all, so I assumed it has random satirical humor like in Bobobo-bo or Sheep in the Big City.

>>50627
>What's the style of humor in Supermoms anyway?
Whichever the writefriends write.
For me, it feels like a cross between Darkwing Duck and Petit Spirou, though I may be wrong.

>The whole alien-punching-lips thing didn't make any sense to me at all
I think the idea was, Mend is really sweet and motherly now, but was a tough-as-nails tomboy as a teen. Likewise, her powers are very nice and helpful, healing people and whatnot. But their origin is not something lovey-dovey, she just got into fisticuffs with someone who has regenerative abilities, and he punched her right in the lips – that's why her lips' touch can regenerate peoples' wounds.

>>50626
So, what do you suggest for an alien-based Diva origin story?

i think candy labelle in her civilian identity would look better with nappy hair. she would look more black than indian.

though she'd have to use a hair straightener every time she dresses up in her diva costume.

i dunno, her civilian hair just looks bland to me. should i bother drawing some nappy hair concepts?

http://the-conservatory.wikia.com/wiki/Diva

>>50630
There could be a lot of possibilities here!
- Maybe it's the same story, just the "lozenge" wasn't just a chemical, it was actually an alien capsule with nanomachines and stuff
- Or maybe the "lozenge" was actually a whole alien spaceship. The aliens being tiny microscopic energy beings, who now live in Candy's throat, and help her do all her super stuff
- Or maybe she was abducted by aliens, but it wasn't for some terrifying experiments, they were just some alien teenagers who took her on a wild trip across the galaxy, crashing alien parties across the universe and whatnot, and gave her some souvenirs as a parting gift.
- Or maybe she's actually an alien herself.

>>50631
I'm personally all for nappy hair (I prefer my black women really dark-skinned and nappy-haired, my jungle fever is that hardcore), but maybe other anons think different. However:
>should i bother drawing some nappy hair concepts?
I think you should try that regardless. Maybe it'll look so cool everyone agrees to it. Would be interesting to see what you've got in mind.
>though she'd have to use a hair straightener every time she dresses up in her diva costume.
I don't see why she has to do it. I think the "note hair" she had in her teenage years could work with nappy hair as well (if you draw it a bit stylized)

>>50632
Whatever the origin of her powers is, it has to be something that's a part of her genetics, so a version of her powers get passed down to Shaundra.

>>50633
It could work with all of these, and maybe some others I haven't thought about:
- The nanomachines are attracted to a specific genetic markup, so some of them have migrated to Shaundra due to her similar genes
- "Hey! I didn't give y'all permission to settle in my daughter's body!" "Come on, what you gonna do? We're dealing with overpopulation here!"
- These alien souvenirs included some genetic changes that were inherited by Shaundra
-Obvious. If Candy's an alien, Shaundra's a half alien, and thus has a watered-down version of her mom's powers
What's funny, it was never explained how Shaundra could inherit powers gained by swallowing a chemical.

>>50634
"Hey! Ain't no damn alien punk gettin' even close to my daughter's body until she's 18, ya hear me?!"

>>50634
I think we should go with the "Candy's an alien" gimmick. Maybe we could do a parody of Superman's origin, where baby Candy was sent to Earth and her Earth parents discovered her? Maybe Candy is from a race of vocally-gifted aliens and even as an infant she had a lovely voice, and her parents adopted her but never told her her origins, her true powers not emerging until later.

>>50639
I like the alien idea! Though it means that we need some more actually black characters

>powers
Maybe it's the aliens' way of communication? They communicate using sound-based constructs. It's normal on their planet, but on Earth it can be used as a superpower


In other news,
WHO BEST MOM

>>50640
Sorry, but Best Mom is clearly Star-Striker.

>>50639
so space amazon alien?
or alien fall in love with human and integrated with humanity over the years

>>50642
I think the former. It's less complicated.

>>50642
>so space amazon alien?
Not amazon. Sig Rune is our resident amazon.
Just an alien baby, last of her species, I guess
>or alien fall in love with human and integrated with humanity over the years
Won't work: her ex was a major jerk, and she hasn't had any meaningful relationship before or after

>>50644
>her ex
We haven't set anything in stone for Shaundra's father yet. I say we shouldn't mention him at all within the scripts until we for sure have a plan for him.

>>50645
I think the plan for him is already set in stone:
a) he was a jerk
b) we never, ever, mention him in the comics (it should be kind of like our Uncle Ben's resurrection)

>>50646
No details about Shaundra's father should be set in stone at all. I feel we shouldn't commit to any aspect of his character until we're ready to do an actual storyline on him.

Maybe he's not around for a different reason other than being a jerk. Maybe he died. Maybe he got kidnapped by aliens or lost in space or something. There are a billion reasons why he wouldn't be around anymore, and we're limiting the possible story we could eventually tell by pinning him as a jerk from day one.

>>50647
Okay.
I just think we should never do a story about him, to keep him in a state of perpetual mystery.

>>50648
I don't want to take him off the table entirely, just until we come up with a really good story for him. We shouldn't force anything, though.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4aob6w4y1d8745q/supermoms%203.celtx

featuring many characters i pulled out of my ass because i needed to populate the world and didn't have time or energy to go through the threat for them. apart from Takkeyon Tiger, whom i'm not even sure i used right. whatevs. i'll fix it in post.

also, best mom is Sigrun.

>>50653
I like it a lot! Keep going!

I think I'll try drawing my vision of GG, though I admit I'm not quite good at drawing men

My 2 cents, which can however be disregarded if you disagree:
>Gunner
I think he's turned out a bit too serious. I feel he should have a bit more pronounced flaws, to make him have more potential for comedic interactions. Obviously you're not going with the "has-been Larry Laffer" suggestion, and I'm not urging you to make something _that_ comedic. But maybe play up his flaws a bit, while keeping him from becoming complete buffoon. What flaws though? In the script excerpt, he's a bit vain and has an ego, kinda reminds me of Hal Jordan or Guy Gardner. Maybe make this his main flaw? He's always full of himself, which sometimes helps him craft his leader image, but sometimes look funny or obnoxious.
>GG and SS
Maybe their tension shouldn't resolve right in the beginning of his first appearance issue! How about moving their talk to the end of the issue? The whole issue, the tension builds, and provides for both drama and funny moments. At the end, they resolve the issues, at least some of them (leave some for their further encounters! Maybe they clear up the awkwardness between them, but Gunner hasn't really gotten over their breakup, and that could be resolved in a future issue? Just a thought).
>GG and Diva
It needs some specific notification that GG is NOT Diva's ex, so that the reader won't get confused.
>We were kids
Just a minor thing: I thought the idea was that GG is a bit older than the Supermoms. Thus, back then, they were rookie teenagers, he was already a young cool popular hero (that's part of why they all got crushes on him). As for his first relationship with SS, that could've went after the Teen Queens' disbandment when she was ~18-19 (since GG is not a pedo).
>Kid Anarchy
I like the character, but the name... it sounds a bit 90s imo
>Other heroes
Probably needs Codex there, also Cloud Man and Cloud Woman and of course, The Hipster. Flying V and Coldfront – I'm interested in their schtick. Who are they? What are their powers and personalities? Just had an idea (you may disregard it, ofc), just based on their names – how about back then they were Cold War opponents (Flying V represented the West, Coldfront was a Soviet super), and now they're of retirement age, and best buds?
>The villains
I'm not sure they should be from the Supermoms' past. Too many things are from Supermoms' past. How about those a relatively new villains, and Supermoms show them (and the rookie heroes) that experience really matters?

>>50653
It feels like it kind of ends abruptly. I guess that's fine if you're setting up for a big battle in the next issue.

I agree with the other guy that the villains should all be new ones. That way, the Supermoms, not familiar with these new baddies, can get a briefing on their powers, enabling the audience to find out about them as well.

I also agree that the SS/GG drama ends too early. Perhaps they solve their problems in the midst of battle, GG joining them when all those villains end up joining together and there's a huge battle?

I feel that there should be more attention paid to Sig Rune bringing alcohol to a function in which there are underage superheroes. I also think there should be more time spent on the Supermoms mingling with the other heroes. There's some good potential in this issue to have some Diva romance development with Kid Mondo, among other things. Basically, several pages switching between Supermoms mingling with various other heroes, which would in turn properly introduce them to the reader, should be added here.

>>50655
And here he is!
He keeps his look is exactly the same as back in his youth (with a bit less hair and more beer belly). He's frequently seen hooking up with 20-something hipster heroines, impressing them with his knowledge of obscure 90s culture. But then again, he's still a way cool dude, and his battle skills are as sharp as back when he fought mutant demon cyborgs on Mars...

>>50658
Nice!

>>50608
An idea I had for Cloud Woman was that when she's being a villain, she could be constantly trying to seduce Cloud Man, but he doesn't give in because he loves his wife and being a good guy (if only he knew the sinister villain trying to seduce him was his own wife!).

>>50660
But why would she do that, if the main reason she started this double life was to get away from the life she shares with her husband and try something different?

However, how about this... It may serve as a rather interesting twist further in the story. Say, in her first story, she's just enjoying her new secret life, maybe flirts with a couple of villains but that's it. By the second story, she has already used her vamp charms on a lot of villains and anti-heroes, no one being able to resist her charms, but she never lets anyone close to her. A temptation comes in the form of a charming villain/anti-hero, and she even starts to consider having an affair with him. As for her husband, she thinks he cares more about his work than her, and isn't a very exciting person. Later in the story, the Supermoms can't manage to defeat her. At the last moment, Cloud Man himself comes to help them. He fights Tempestress and her villain partner, and at the first time she sees him in action from a different side, and it fascinates her. About to lose, she tries seducing Cloud Man to buy herself some time. However, to her shock, he's the only person who's able to resist her charms – he explains that he just loves his wife too much. She realizes that her husband actually cares about her, and so, after that fight, Tempestress mysteriously disappears... maybe for good?

Also, a Beverly in work clothes

>>50662
I think that lipstick might be a little too much for Bev. I don't see her as that gaudy.

>>50661
I like that idea. It would be a good one-off Supermoms adventure, the saga of Cloud Woman, so to speak.

>>50665
A "two-off" adventure then. It's a two-part story

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