Gordon is getting his own cop show, sadly its on Fox so its days are numbered even before it has a cast and shot as per the usual. But hey getting a little bit of GCPD is good though hopes of a full GCPD cast with Sawyer, Renee, Bullock and the rest of Major Crimes are likely for not since as of now its a Bats prequel. Be a nice way to backdoor Kane into the small screen though.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/25/gotham-batmans-commissioner-gordon-getting-fox-tv-series

Beware the Batman: where everyone's love interest is in cahoots with the League of Assassins.

That Restaurant scene was really sharp, I liked it a ton

>>217273
Well, he is still possessed by Psycho Mantis

>>217273

Crazy good with Batman using both sides of his knowledge and episode actually having some classic clue misdirection

I love Earth 2.

Swamp Thing Intro
I was unaware this was a thing. I watched the movies and tv show as a kid though

>>217353
While I miss the original JSA, this fellas are pretty cool as well.
Jay's costume though, a bit odd, but that's just me I guess.

>>217359
I miss the JSA too but Earth 2 did them proud I think. Jay's outfit is weird, especially since they had the perfect opportunity to give him the hat. The sketches even show it was planned.

Ok the Smallville comic is cool. Started with the Titans mini. Jay Garrick training the Teen Titans. Fuck yes

http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/124282-diamond-sales-stats-show-villains-month-3dnado-was-hugely-successful.html

Proving yet again comic fans are the dumbest fuckers.

>>217400
Speaking of, only Villain month book I read was First Born, which was far less a full story and more a back up story that should have been packed with the last arc of the main book. But it wasn't bad. At least now all the Hyena men make sense.

Seeing as the only DC book I'm buying is Wonder Woman, is Cheetah worth grabbing?

>>217403
ask on the caturday thread

>>217403
I dispute the assertion that any of their books are worth grabbing.

I'll probably get Dial E and Solomon Grundy but that's it.

This week's Batman 66. Eartha Kitt Catwoman. Purrfect

>>217403
It didn't have anything to do with the storyline in Wonder Woman. Or even Forever Evil beyond using it as justification for why Cheetah is running around instead of still in Belle Reve. Straight up origin issue. It was fun seeing the fucked up survivalist camp Cheetah grew up in, and if I were a more well-read WW fan I'd assume it was an intentional inversion of the peaceful and accepting Post-Crisis Amazon society I see people talk about. But as someone who has never read a Cheetah story before (outside of When In Rome) I can't comment on whether it does any justice to the character.

>>217433
It's basically an entirely new character who happens to be named Cheetah. I'm not talking minor reboot rearrangement, her past, personality, motives, power source, the whole shebang is different.

But that's the Nu52 for you. Like a character? Well they're gone. Here, have a different one that happens to share the name.

>>217435
Isn't Cheetah really different from age to age. I mean remember when she was a batshit crazy socialite in a Cheetah onesie?

>>217438
That was Priscilla Rich, the first Cheetah. There's two others including Minerva, the one being used in current comics. Technically there's another two, a dude and a revenant created by JMS for his Odyssey story. But they're both dead and likely not to return anytime soon.

>>217438
>>217439
Yes and no. Pricilla Rich, the first Cheetah, was unpowered, hated Wonder Woman for being more popular, and was a cold rich friendless socialite.

Post-Crisis Cheetah was modeled on her. Enough differences that Perez changed her civilian name, but she still hated Wonder Woman for getting things with ease (from her perspective), and she still became Cheeath because she was cold, rich, and friendless, just an academic not a socialite.

NuCheetah has nothing to do with the old ones at all in terms of character.

Honestly I have no attachment to any version of Cheetah and think the new version is pretty piss poor. She's not interesting, not fun, and not a legitimate threat. The villains month issue tried to flesh her out a little but it just fell flat. This is a bad character whose importance is elevated for no good reason.

>>217455
A lot of Wonder Woman's old villains are kind of outmatched by Wondy with her new status. Is Giganta around?

>>217459
Either Demigod or now God she's got near nobody as a foe since she took the place of Ares.

>>217460
I mean if Cheetah tried to fight Wonder Woman she would end up with a star spangled boot in her ass now.

>>217463
Pretty much. I wouldn't mind other pantheons mucking about and making her adversaries their avatars and giving them godlike powers. Be interesting.

>>217464
Should keep some sci fi aspects. I mean I liked Dr. Psycho.

>>217465
yea theymake her more pulpy and adventure seeking not less. Don't let her being the god of war make her less a character.

>>217466
Too late.

Ok, so I'm like 2 months behind (dropped pretty much all of DC after the J.H. Williams thing) but Superman killing Steppenwolf in Earth 2? WTF?! Its stupid that they need to bring back the big 3 in a world that was supposed to be unique because it didnt have them, but Supes outright killing a New God?! Jesus Robinson, you havent even left the book yet at this point and you've already fucked it up beyond my ability to cope. I'm gonna hope this was editorial, but if we just keep getting more of this I wont be dissapointed I dropped this as my last DC book

Batman: Arkham Origins - Troy …

I think Troy Baker as Joker will be just fine.

>>217598
Well, Robinson is leaving because of issues with editorial. This could be those issues.

Personally, I'm always cool with Steppenwolf dying. Kalibak and Desaad too. Since those were the characters that Kirby killed but brought back in the 80's because they were going to be in a toyline, and ever since they've been in a constant state of death and resurrection because dc wants them alive but guys like Evaneer, who was basically caretaking the new gods till the late 90's wanted them dead.

Plus I've seen new gods die from asteroid lasers, the Phoenix, and Superman singing, among several other really silly things

Really Earth-2 was such a pile of shit from start to finish I'm flabbergasted it managed to draw anyone.

Then again DC has proved they know exactly what they are doing.

I wonder when we have the comics crash 2.0 do you guys think the indie scene has gotten strong enough to pick up the pieces of the big two?

>>217615
Marvel has barely changed at all since 2006, if anything crashes, it's probably just going to be DC.

And I never found Earth Two bad, but I also never found it interesting either. It felt like what "any other DC book" would have been 7 or so years ago. Which I guess is why it gained a following today.

>>217615
I think the smaller publishers are strong enough to fill the void with Dark Horse and Image being the biggest to take the lead I think.

>>217598
The cover made the Superman reveal pretty obvious. But I do wish Steppenwolf hadn't been offed so soon. More because it feels hollow for his defeat to be at the hands of Superman than for any other, though it did seem like he was being written for some bigger plans. Now I wonder if Robinson intended to use Steppenwolf for another issue or two, and if he truly scripted this issue.

>>217615
It's the best superhero team book to come out of DC in the past two years. Not saying it's good when judged alone, but when compared to shit like Justice League and the lackluster JLA, it's hard not to elevate the series.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48502
>Gothtopia event for the next year
>Alternate Gotham that is "a bright, shiny, happy place where dreams come true…as long as you don't look at things too closely."
Mite be cool

>>217658
Gotham being a modern Gilded would be fascinating make the public personas of Bruce and Kate as vital as the suits.

>>217658
Fingers crossed for a story about a tyrannical Batman to offset the influx of ones about King Dick Superman.

You know how no one gives a fuck about GL anymore? This is why.

>>217702

It's amazing to me what a good thing Johns had going and how he managed to squander it so completely.

>>217703
Well he dialog's okay.

>>217702
It's captain Planet!

>>217769
Captain Lantern~
He's a Hero~
Gonna take a girl's pulse down to zero!~

It's happening again.

>>217831
Oh for...really!? WTF!?

>>217831
What is going on up there?
Not that I'll particularly miss the series myself.

>>217843
If I had to guess its that Cartoon Network wants something with a wider profit margin and since Warner Bros/DC as no intention of moving this or such properties like they will their movies then Cartoon Network couldn't be bothered. One of the reasons they put the axe to Transformers Animated was they wanted a bigger piece of the pie Hasbro wasn't too keen on that and so events led to the creation of The Hub. Its not like its doing DisneyXD horrible according to numbers its pulling above 1.0 steady and once things pick up like bringing in Barbra as Proto and eventual Batgirl that should pick up some numbers.

>>217831
Welp, I'm seething. I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm still pissed. Probably because this time it's a show I'm actually really enjoying. I really want to be optimistic and think that maybe there'll be a turnaround and CN will stop dicking about, but after watching what they did to the previous two big DC Nation shows (and Sym-Bionic Titan, and Thundercats...), this pattern of behavior has a predictably negative outcome.

>>217858
Devil's Advocate: Majority of those things were not even part of DC before the new 52.

>>217859
Actually, if I remember right, NONE of them were part of DC Universe as of, uh, 2008 I think? Long Halloween Two-Face origin was the last to go.

>>217860
Calling shenanigans. DC could get a bit wibbly-wobbly when it comes to what was and wasn't canon, but... yeah, you're pretty much wrong about that. Something similar to Eye of the Beholder or Long Halloween was Two-Face's origin. Don't look at the details too hard, but something like that was the origin. The adaptation of Heart of Ice was absolutely Mr. Freeze's origin, and the adaptation of Mad Love was Harley's. Lazara was a bad idea... that absolutely did not retcon away the Heart of Ice adaptation. And it really wouldn't have been hard to retcon her away without turning Freeze into the creepy unsympathetic stalker creepazoid he is in the new 52. And Harley kills kids for yuks now? Her use pre reboot was a bit hit or miss, but nowhere near enough misses to excuse what she is now.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/2013/10/beware-the-batman-removed-from-cartoon-network-schedule-january-2014-return-scheduled/

Yep looks like another one of those things.

>>217875
>“Currently Beware the Batman is no longer on our air,” said a representative for Cartoon network, adding viewers should stay tuned for additional information. “Fans can still enjoy Teen Titans Go! and new exclusive shorts on Saturday mornings.”

...
Yeah. "You can't watch and enjoy new episodes of the show you actually like, but please watch this other show that's completely different on every level, because you people don't differentiate, right?"

Anger's really starting to burn through the disappointment. I know there's next to nothing viewers who like the show can do to sway a bunch of short-sighted, greed-driven executives, but I'm pissed enough to try.

>>217879
It just bums me that this is basically GLTAS 2.0 Same methods different show.

>>217868
Two Face Year One, Snow and Batman: Harley Quinn were the current pre-52 origins for all the characters. Now, some (definitely not Snow) might have been similar to the ones that guy mentioned, but they still weren't those stories.

I don't read DC books any more, and yeah, you could make an argument for not moving too far away from the main outline of more iconic stories, I was just saying, those stories specifically weren't the canon origins at the time of new 52. There are better examples that could have been used.

I just included the Lazara picture to amuse myself.

>>217885
>Two Face Year One, Snow and Batman: Harley Quinn were the current pre-52 origins for all the characters.

You seem to be confused. Two Face: Year One did not retcon away Long Halloween. It supplemented Long Halloween. Badly. Very very badly. It's a textbook case of how NOT to do comic book continuity, but the Batman books haven't had a single good editor since O'Neil left, so if the writer can't be bothered to ask himself "does it make sense for this character to be around at the start of Batman's career?" no one will ask him to stop, think, and rewrite. Nonetheless, while it was definitely dodgy in terms of continuity, it was intended as a supplement to Long Halloween, telling events from Harvey's point of view.

Batman: Harley Quinn is Paul Dini's adaptation of the Mad Love episode. It was her origin. There were some differences from the Mad Love episode, put in because Dini wanted to acknowledge that the DCU Joker was more homicidal than the DCAU Joker (pity), but it's still basically an adaptation of Mad Love, and by the same author.
And similarly, Mr. Freeze's origin before the reboot was Batman: Mr. Freeze, Paul Dini's adaptation of Heart of Ice, which told the same story but with a few more details added (Victor was a very strange kid...). Snow hadn't been canon for a long-ass time.

>but they still weren't those stories.

Two Face: Year One was a supplement to Long Halloween. Batman: Harley Quinn was an adaptation of Mad Love. Snow you're just plum wrong about, I'm afraid. Good story, but just glancing at a "Mr. Freeze" entry in any DC Encyclopedia or the like was enough to establish it wasn't remotely canon.

>>217891
Cool. Guess I'm wrong

Though, as an aside, I don't think Long Halloween was properly made in continuity until like Tony Daniels Batman run in 2009. Just hinted at.

Which of course makes Eye of the Beholder the default origin, which you did call.

Just thinking out loud.

Long Halloween and Dark Victory expanded upon events everyone knew had to have happened - the fall of the traditional Gotham mobs, and rise of the "Freaks". Halloween referenced some events from Eye of the Beholder. It didn't fit perfectly with Eye, but it does look like Loeb had a vague notion of his story dovetailing with EotB rather than simply overwriting it.

Before Daniels, authors tried to avoid referencing particulars from it - or using characters like Gilda or the Falcone family - because Sale and Loeb had expressed interest in doing a third story, and nobody wanted to step on their toes. Daniels, being a right shite altogether, didn't give a toss about what Sale and Loeb might do. And another writer might've been right to go "fuck 'em, they've had enough time," but obviously Tony didn't have the skill to use them in a good way. Loeb's work wasn't very good, but honestly deserved better.

>>217895
Huh. I thought When in Rome WAS the third story.

But yeah, I know/agree with what you're saying.

This is exactly how we're gonna look at the new 52.

>>217914
Not so bad as we tought back then?

>>217920
The jokes about it will have more staying power than the actual characters.

>>217914
No, those were considered cool in their time already.

>>217914
I don't even remember Bile, though he seems to be particularly shitty just from looking at him.
Man there have been so many symbiotes, Toxin was cool but then Marvel had to fuck that over (they killed Pat OFFSCREEN for fucks sake just to give the symbiote to Crazy Eddie)

>>217920
>>217945
You guys are missing the point as it seems, who talks about Bile or Godhead?

Do you not notice how the lineup is a process over time? Starting with the original the moving along until you end up with a twisted and completly stupid version of the original at the end.
Though the difference with the Nu52 I would think instead of it being seperate characters who are spun-off from the original model its actually a twisted new canon version of the classic.

>>217949
I have ALL of Bile and Godhead's appearances, thank you VERY much.

>>217968
Do you want some sort of Cheevo for it?

>>217970
Owning all those characters' appearances is its own reward.

Out of morbid curiosity, what's the current state of the Bat-Family?

>>218029

>>218029

Off the top of my head?

Batman is on the run with Catwoman due to Forever Evil stuff.

Nightwing has had his identity publically outted, and may be dying soon.

Tim Drake is in the future or something, again due to Forever Evil.

Damian is dead, and has been for some time now.

Jason Todd is apparently head of the League of Assassins or something, 'cept it might have just been a trick by Ra's al Ghul.

Batwing I has disappeared/died/been replaced by Lucius Fox's kid.

Stephanie Brown, erased from history, but will return as part of the weekly Batman Eternal series DC's doing next year to celebrate Batman's 75th anniversary (yaaaay, sincerely).

Cassandra Cain, erased entirely, hoping she'll come back in BE too as that book actually has some talent behind it.

Batwoman, her series changed creators midway through a storyline, so we will never get a resolution to her pre-Batman Year Zero plot, JOY.

Barbara Gordon... dunno. Her mum lost a finger via the Joker, thinks that she killed her brother in a bad rehash of the Black Mirror storyline Scott Snyder did just before the reboot (even ended on a bridge in the rain with James Jr sustaining an eye injury), and feels guilty about it while her dad is attempting to have Batgirl arrested for killing his... insane and murderous son... who we knew was still alive as he appeared in Suicide Squad roughly a month after his "death", hereby removing all of the bite from the Batgirl storyline.

Batcow is still around, which is more than can be said for most of the members of Batman Inc, sadly.

>>218031

>>218031
Haha wow.

Glad I only read '66

Super glad I quit the fuck out with Inc.

>>218036
666 Also good and oddly enough on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

>>217968
That's funny considering Bile and Godhead don't exist.

These are from Marvel best of 1993 and were jokes about the darker direction comics were heading that time and became increasingly poignant as the years went on, little did they realize most of these ideas would end up real.

>>218031
Everything but the Nightwing thing, Batwoman's creator problems and Batgirl being terrible seems pretty standard fare for Batman comics, especially Batman comics in an event.

Now I know they probably aren't good because I've read work by the creative teams under the current editorial, but quick bullet points make them seem like normal Batman books.

Question: didn't David just proper quit? Wrap up all his business, shut down his villains and handed the costume back to Batman? Or did something happen to him afterward?

>>218039
>That's funny considering Bile and Godhead don't exist.

The fact that they were never in any Marvel comics doesn't prevent me from owning every one of their appearances.

Oh ho. Oh ho.

>>218042
touche my unusual friend.

>>218038
Batman 666?

>>218039
I don't know what's funnier about Red Hulk, the fact that it eventually happened or the fact he looks nearly exactly like Hulk 2099.

Haven't checked DC out since a little before the reboot. How's Huntress fairing? Always liked that crazy Sicilian.

>>218050
Erased, replaced by the old Helena Wayne Huntress and... I don't know beyond that.

>>218050
>>218051
In the new continuity Helena Bertinelli died, off panel, "a few years ago".

Helena Wayne, a refuge from an alternate reality, took her place, and has been using the Helena Bertinelli name as an alias.

Some people have enjoyed her appearances. I'm not one of them. It just strikes me as stupidity compounded by stupidity. Helena Wayne of Earth 2 was a good character, sort of a "Batman Beyond" prototype that faced her own new villains while also dealing with the fallout from Bruce's time as Gotham's hero. Helena Bertinelli became a great fun character in her own right, and the "mob daughter" angle was excellent, giving her a solid origin of her own. The new direction means we don't get Helena Bertinelli being a proud female hero that Batman had no hand in creating, and we don't get the alternate reality shenanigans that made Helena Wayne an interesting idea in the first place. And any future interactions with Bruce and the other Gotham heroes would be weird and awkward.

Do not fucking want.

Oh yeah, I forgot about how Helena Bertinelli's Huntress either didn't exist, or died at some point with Helena Wayne stealing her identity afterwards. Urgh.

>>218040

The thing is, I LIKE Scott Snyder's Batman book, as it's the only one that feels like a throwback to the era I grew up with (late Nineties to mid-2000s... preboot, I guess), it's just the tie-ins I can't stand.

Like with Court of Owls, the main book is very solid but all the tie-in material in other books isn't really as good. Ditto with Death of the Family.

Mine was the era of Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker's Batman/Catwoman/Gotham Central. It's just a shame that DC screwed over the two of them (and in turn they got screwed over by Marvel) making them go into independant work.

The fact that the Bat Family related stuff rom JUST before the reboot was just starting to get good again (Gates of Gotham, Black Mirror, all of Paul Dini's world building books like Streets of Gotham, and Steph Brown's Batgirl, for some examples) makes that damn reboot all the more frustrating.

Hell, the only books I thought were any good from the initial relaunch were the ones that didn't need it to function (Wonder Woman, Batman, All-Star Western and Demon Knights), making it a huge waste of time, for me at least.

>>218055
Jesus, that page has to be one of the biggest cases of spitting in fans faces since... well, this page.


Sorry Anon, but Gates of Gotham and Steph's Batgirl just weren't going to cut it. There were just too many nails in the Batfamily's coffin at that point. Things drifted along without O'Neil at the helm for a while, but once we started getting shit like Identity Crisis and War Games it was just a matter of time. The Batman spinoff characters are still around, but the Batfamily's dead as the Dodo. Too many bad decisions. Kicking Oracle out of Gotham (and later healing her, removing one of the lynchpins that kept the books connected), everyone's indifference to Cassandra's fate, the destruction of Bludhaven (removing the place that let Dick be his own man while staying in driving distance), Batman Inc and Damian (yes, they were VERY bad for the Batfamily, in hindsight), removing Tim's entire history...
>>218031
is a good summary of what everyone's up to at the moment. But >>218030
is the better answer to "What's the condition of the Batfamily these days?"

>>218057

I will agree with you to the extent that Infinite Crisis permanently fucked up the majority of the Bat Books (not just with what happened to Cass, but also the eviction of all female heroes from Gotham, and return to the GCPD status quo regardless of how little sense it made, ie Harvey Bullock being allowed back onto the force after being kicked out for arranging someone's murder).

But towards the end, as a whole, the Bat Books were the best they'd been in a long time just before the reboot. Batman Inc had introduced a lot of interesting characters, Knight and Squire were still around and fun, Cass and Steph were both in good places within the DCU for the first time in years, Paul Dini was giving Gotham a sense of history and actually fleshing out Bruce's parents beyond their status of victims...

It was different from the 1990s Batman or even the stuff from No Man's Land (still my favourite crossover ever) onwards, but the just just before the reboot the books were actually becoming fun and interesting again. As opposed to being a framework for Tim Drake to angst from or something.

>>218044
Damian: Son of Batman, follows the biblical apocalypse styled timeline of Batman #666, while #66 picks up the tradition of the comical West era Damian: Son of Batman takes it's ques from Morrison's Batman #666 which was itself based on watchmen and other edge of the ending styled 80's comics apocalypse comics.

>>218061
I was unaware there was a series.

Can we talk about how kind of crazy it is that DC is the one who published the Marshall law omnibus after like ten years of waiting for this thing to be published and like six different publishers initially saying they'd do it?

The Omnibus is pretty good, but they lack the crossovers, which is understandable, but still disappointing.

I'll just leave this here.

>>218069

This shit always annoys me. I hate it when they write stories about Batman saving the Joker and he has to justify it with absolutely inane arguments.

>>218071
The problem isn't Batman saving the Joker, or Spectre sparing him, or anything like that.

The problem is bad writers turning Joker into a character that it's implausible for Batman to spare.

>>218072
Like what happened with Harley in the Villains month issue and how fucking unnecessary it is since it won't have any effect on her Self titles series except shading those readers view of her that don't know it doesn't have anything to do with it.

The Spectre is pretty unsuited to being a part of the DC.
He always goes after no name sinners, people who might have killed their cheating spouse and their lover in the heat of the moment or someone that killed the murderer that killed their child and got off scotfree because of a legal trick, instead of the major evil beings/super villains because they have plot armour.
When they occasionally do have him interact you get bullshit like, what was it... "lol joker is too crazy to know what he's doing is wrong so he's innocent!" which is just an even more cancerous version of DC's misunderstanding of what the "insanity plea" constitutes.

The personification of God's wrath just doesn't work with the rest of the superhero universe.

>>218074
He did kill Dr. Light. I can't imagine the shitstorm that would come from Spectre given full freedom.

I don't think the problem is the Spectre as much as it the universe.

>>218074
He's unsuited for the Batman side of the universe, he operates just fine outside of it and even in it sometimes, it's really just whenever they try to address Joker that shit falls apart and that's easy solved by anyone with half a brain.

Joker is under Hell's protection from Heaven's forces along with a few other noticeable merciless killers by Azmodus and a back up crew with a vested interest in spreading misery on Earth. there, simple.

>>218075
Dr light is baby school, raping a superhero's wife might be horrible personally but compared to real atrocity its nothing.

But of course in comicbooks the faceless masses of innocents have little worth, something bad happening to a named character is equal to things a hundredfold worse happening to a thousand times more nameless civvies.