Though I've got a bunch of ideas in my notes for the series, I made an outline for it that should serve as a basic primer:

***

#1: Origin.
-Gwen is bitten by the spider and becomes Spider Woman. She immediately starts to work as a superhero, but her inexperience with her powers results in a lot of problems, especially with the tech-based illusionist Mysterio. She confides in Peter her feverent desire to improve and be a worthy hero, and Peter vows to help her by supplying her with gear. Gwen defeats Mysterio with his help, cementing her first major victory as Spider Woman.

#2: Symbiote.
-Kingpin's biological, uncontrollable powersuit escapes the labs. Gwen stumbles on it somehow and it bonds to her, copying her powers. Increased power comes at the price of growing mental instability, which raises tensions with Peter and Mary Jane. Realizing the symbiote is weak to sonics, Gwen uses audio feedback from her radio to remove it. Just as Mary Jane is passing through...

#3: Venom.
-MJ's love of Peter and dislike of Gwen is amplified by the symbiote, and she swears to claim Peter, promising to be like "venom" to Gwen. Gwen and Peter soon notice MJ's behavior is off, and consults with Otto Octavius to bounce the symbiote for good. During the fight, the symbiote secretly produces an offspring, and makes its way towards Felicia Hardy. Having previously revealed her sordid past with the now dead Cletus Kasady, Felicia is surprised when she hears his voice haunting her again.

>>43917

#4: Carnage.
-Having bonded with Felicia, it appears as the symbiote is mimicking the personality of Cletus Kasady, when it turns out that Felicia has developed a split personality disorder and is arguing to herself to not give into the symbiote. Terrified, Felicia confides in Gwen, but it's revealed that Carnage recognizes Gwen from her time with the first symbiote and really leads her into a trap. Thanks to some improvised sonics from Gwen and a timely rescue from Peter, Carnage is vanquished...for now.

#5: Yellowjacket.
-Feeling concern for Gwen's safety and his own sense of growing responsibility, Peter creates a powersuit he calls "Yellowjacket" to aid Gwen. Meanwhile, Octavius decides to lash back at society, and with the help of Black Tarantula (and secretly the Kingpin), he assumes the mantle of Doctor Octopus to take his revenge. The fight is fierce, and during the struggle, Octopus trashes Peter who hasn't had as much experience as Gwen. Octopus is defeated, but the suit is wrecked and Peter feels like being Yellowjacket just made things worse. The Kingpin then salvages Yellowjacket. His symbiotes might have failed, but with this...

#6: Armor Wars.
-Gwen fights off someone in an armored suit designed like a scorpion. When Peter analyzes a piece of it, he's shocked to learn that it's based on his tech. Feeling regret for his mistake, he goes on a one-man campaign to stop these armors as Gwen must deal with other armored villains attacking New York. Finally, the villains get together, and Kingpin announces that they will kill Spider Woman together. He also kidnaps MJ and Felicia to serve as Venom and Carnage - having regained the symbiotes, they won't work for anyone else, but with his new control collars, they'll serve him.

>>43918

#7: Salvation Six.
-The assembled Salvation Six strike, and they're too powerful for Gwen to defeat, even with all the strategy Peter can muster. Thanks to a timely intervention by Black Tarantula, Gwen escapes, but badly injured. It's revealed that the Kingpin is J. Jonah Jameson, obsessed with creating a peaceful city with his "Salvation Six" protecting the streets from criminals like Spider-Woman. Distraught that he couldn't help, Peter leaves Gwen to try and convince Doctor Octopus to help him create new tech to stop the Six. After some convincing, Ock agrees. Meanwhile, Gwen throws herself back into the fight with Black Tarantula's help.

#8: Kingpin's World.
-Spider Woman and Tarantula return to fight the Salvation Six, and it begins to go as well as it did last time. Peter returns just in time, controlling the Salvation Slayer remotely. All the city rallies to cheer on Spider Woman and the others as the brawl explodes across the city. Finally, Gwen defeats them, and rapples up to stop Kingpin and reveal his charade. JJJ runs off, swearing that someday he'll stop that "wall-crawling menace". Freeing MJ and Felicia from the symbiotes and sealing them up, Gwen and Peter celebrate with a kiss to seal the deal.

A lecture by the famed nuclear physicist Otto Octavius that Peter was looking forward to is cancelled due to the untimely demise of the aforementioned doctor. Peter is understandably upset due to having been a long time admirer of the man. Though Gwen isn't all too broken up about it as she recalls a time when she had a chance encounter with the man who coldly refused to giver her his autograph which she had planned to give to her sidekick as a surprise gift. Nevertheless, she tries to cheer him up with a night on the town, but the sudden need for Spider-Woman's services forces them to separate, though he says he'll be fine walking home.

As he walks down the streets of New York to clear his thread he sees a disheveled, shabbily dressed man peering into a hardware store display window at the multitude of TVs showcasing the same news story: The Death of Dr. Octavius. With the picture of the deceased doctor's face being a dead-ringer for the stranger's own.

"Dr. Octavius?" Peter asks.

The alarmed face that looks up in reply confirms the young man's suspicions, but its owner is in no mood to talk and he hobbles away, his steps hurried but heavy as he ducks into a nearby alley.

Peter pursues, entering the badly lit labyrinth to find the 'dead' doctor, but instead finds himself confronted by a pair of muggers. Infruriated, and in a hurry, Peter pulls out some of his protective gear only for a pair of steel tentacles to come out of the darkness to brutally dispatch the two hoodlums. His eyes follow the slithering limbs as they retreat into the sky and return to their master, Doctor Octavius, alive and well, and several feet above him, suspended by the two claws' grip on either side of the alley.

"That's an interesting piece of equipment you have there, young man." he says weakly, before collapsing in a heap in front of the lad he just rescued.

(Part 2)

It's a familiar story, an old comforting tale Otto muses as he sets to work on just another day in the lab from his POV. Except, it isn't quite the same, it's interspersed with his father beating him, his mother admonishing him, Mary Alice casting him a look of wonderment as he looks down at her from his artificially supported perch.

And then everything explodes right in front of his face.

Otto awakes on an old matress in an unfamiliar basement, covered in a thick blanket. Peter goes down the steps with some food, offering the meal to the injured doctor.

They talk for a while, Peter asks the obvious question, what happened, how are you feeling, why were you dressed like a hobo. Otto asks why Peter didn't alert the police or the media that he was still alive, with Peter replying that he figured that if Otto didn't do that himself, he must have had his reasons.

"Smart boy." Otto states, before telling Peter that he suspects that his experiment was sabotaged, and doesn't want his assassin knowing he survived until he can find out his identity. He's a little upset that his supposed passing hasn't had more fanfare than it has.

Peter tries to lighten the mood. "Well look on the bright side. At least you don't have to pay taxes."

Meanwhile Gwen's cornered the group of armed robbers she had been pursuing since she had to leave Peter behind. She makes quick work of the group before disabling and unmasking their leader, who she's shocked to discover is a hood she had helped arrest just a few days prior ("Good to know you never forget a pretty face girlie"). He says it's because he's one of the Kingpin's men and mockingly declares that a number of cops are on the take. She replies by knocking him out and letting the police round them up, though she's unsure of what good it'll do.

Elsewhere, Peter and Otto using the former's gadgets and the latter's arms, break into the cordoned off lab the Doctor used to work in. They scour the security tapes and the scene of the accident only to come to the grim conclusion that it really was just, an accident exacerbated by Otto's tendency to ignore security precautions. Ashamed and having shortly beforehand that the harness has been grafted onto him, Otto can't bear the thought of facing the public after such a screw-up and wonders what to do. His partner in crime strokes his chin at thought before asking with a sly smile,

"Tell me Doc? Did you have a good time beating up those muggers last night?"

I just would like to remind people that when you create alternate universes nothing has to be exactly the same as the original... but you still have a degree of obligation to ensure that the main events happen one way or another. Like a checklist.

- Respected scientist Dr. Octopus goes crazy/ makes a bad decision and becomes a Supervillain.
- Green Goblin throws someone off a bridge.
- Sandman has a spiritual revelation/ moment where he realizes he doesn't have to be a criminal.
- Scorpion is a failure at life.
- An evil organism becomes a Super-hero costume, is rejected, and becomes a doppleganger that reflects the darkness of the character.
- JJJ Slanders arachnid-persons in the newspaper turning the city against our protagonist.
- Shocker never realizes he could make loads of money as a legitimate security consultant.

The idea of a alternate "what-if?" is to see how basic elements would change due to a minor detail. So you have to ask yourself - does it make sense for this idea to happen? How does gwen being bitten by a spider make your idea plausible?

Otherwise you're working on a completely new spin on the Spiderman Mythos complete with original fluff instead of an expanded What-if style adaptation.

>>43932

I get what you mean, but maybe it'd be best to approach Spider-Gwen as something more new anyway. I do reference some established stuff within Spider-Man and other Marvel Comics, but I'm still playing with how far I want to go with that.

>>43932
>- Green Goblin throws someone off a bridge.

It's still Gwen.

>"I hope this spider likes water!"
>Throws
>Gwen thwips herself to safety
>"Oh, yeah...The web thing..."

Perhaps we should begin with a character list? Details surrounding each character, their backstories, personalities, etc... that way we can have a much more usable database we can refer to.

Also, perhaps it would help to list off the various technologies and companies involved? Things like Sentinel project tech being showcased at museums, etc... it would be make the universe feel more like a spider-man universe.

>>43936

While a character list and other details would be good, I don't know how much I want to limit what can and can't be done. A lot of people have supported my outline and such, but this is everyone's project in a sense and I don't want to restrict everyone based on one interpretation of it.

Like, I don't like Gwen having a lip piercing, and my Kingpin might be different than what someone else wants. I don't want to insist people use my version of the events for their stories.

>>43937

Well, perhaps we should highlight some traits for each character? You let in too many authors, and all of a sudden Peter is a fucking badass and Gwen uses guns.
Just pull the reigns a little.

Better yet, create a wikia, where the character's bios are easily editable by anyone with an account.

Or we can stick with this... that's cool too...

>>43937
So, more like David LaFuente's Gwen?

I'd say one of the first things to do, at least with making a character list, is first figure out how everyone should look. Backstories and personalities can come second. I mean, there is a difference between Mark Bagley and David LaFuente's Gwen even though they're both in high school.

>>43938
That might be an optimal solution - paint everyone in broad strokes and then let people drive them as they please in their own work. I don't think any one version of Spider-Gwen should be canon, as we'd all favor our own interpretations, but a list and details could provide a starting point so every story has things in common.

(And I picked this because I get the feeling 4chan doesn't like Wikia.)


>>43939
I figure Spider-Gwen, personally, should take visual inspiration from the Spectacular Spider Man version of her, since she's probably the geeky girl before she gets bitten. (Well, I was probably gonna keep the short hair anyway and make have her use false glasses to keep up illusions.) But again, people have different ideas.

>>43940
Might I suggest Zoho in lieu of Google docs? From my experience, its generally preferred to have something where users can actually collaborate, rather than throwing ideas at a thread and seeing what sticks...

>>43940
Seconded. I liked Spectacular's take on the character... much more... interesting?

>>43938
And that's fine.

Does it sound like shit? Sure, but it's not TMs story. It's not mine. It's not yours. It's theirs.

TM has already said he more than supports us making our own stories (I, for one, intend to, with at least a foreword stating "This is an idea spawned from 4chans /co/, 4chan+ /coc/, and Titanium Man", so everyone is aware).

>>43944
Okay. Zoho looks pretty cool.

>>43944

Zoho, eh? I'll look into it.

>>43945

It doesn't sound like shit. Its utter bullshit. What I was suggesting when I posted that was that ALL OF US decide which traits would be the most important. Help define the universe we would populate with our reimaginings and original creations.

>>43949

I'm still trying to set up admin privileges on this Zoho thing...I'd obviously like to establish some reigns on it. Have any of you used Zoho before? Will it let me do that?

>>43951

When you set up the document there should be an admin bar at the top of the screen. That will allow to change permissions and stuff.

(http://www.zoho.com/docs/admin-guide.html)

You'll need to share the document first in order to adjust admin settings.
When you do, the functions will appear in a share tab at the top of the app, right next to Review, iirc...

I still have to say, Titanium Man, that while I like your outline, I really, really object to J. Jonah Jameson being the Kingpin. One constant about Jonah is that while he may be a blowhard and a jerk, he's a good person underneath it all. He always cares for justice and getting the word out where it needs to be, even if he is deeply mistrustful of secret identities. I realize a lot of this is rooted in alternate occupations, but removing that side of Jonah in favor of making him a crime boss leaves the world just that little bit more cynical and it just doesn't sit right with me at all.

Since we're taking some inspiration from Spectacular with Gwen herself, why not have Tombstone fill the Kingpin role, as he did in that?

>>43955

Yeah, I admit that the role of Kingpin would be ill-suited for James Jonah Jameson... part of his charm was that he was harmless, despite all the rabble-rousing. He only disliked spiderman due to personal taste, not quarry.

Plus, if he kept his original role, Peter could even take pictures of Gwen to help pay for his aunt's healthcare bills. It'd lead to more than a few fun times.

>Rhino: Where is Spiderwoman?
>Pete: I don't know.
>Rhino: Maybe YOU'RE Spiderwoman!
>Pete: H-hey hang on a second there, I'm not even a woman!

>>43958
I love the idea that Jameson just sees "Buff chick with a costume" and tells Pete to peddle his fetish art somewhere else.

Then a week later, sees Spider-woman is a hit.
"PARKER. GET DOWN HERE AND GIVE ME THOSE CREEPY FETISH PHOTOS"
Then noticing everyone is staring at him.
"OF...of Spider-Woman."

>>43959

>Moment of really awkward silence
Jonah: "Do I pay you to stand around and stare? No? THEN GET BACK TO WORK!"

>>43954
>>43955

Yeah, I can see why JJJ may not fit. I originally chose him for the fun comedy option but now I'm thinking about someone else who might fit better. Having finally watched some Spectacular, Tombstone MAY fit that role, but part of me wants some unexpected, yet logical to fill it. Time will ultimately tell.

Also, since I'm back from my previous engagement, I'll fiddle with Zoho some more so you guys can access it.

>>43963

Hrm, it looks like I gotta get emails so I can add people who are allowed to look at it. So give emails I guess?

>>43963

Hmmm... so, who would our candidates for Kingpin be?

My vote goes to...
Hmmm....

HARRY'S MOM!

no, no, just kidding...

Its definitely NOT Osbourne- he's a great businessman, but that just gives him less reason to run a crime syndicate. He probably views it as an "opportunity." A high-paying one.

How about... the Queen? A reimagining of the character, of course, but her MO would work pretty well... Pheromones...

>>43967

Whomever I pick, it'll probably be one of the more mainstream Spider Man characters to increase the chances of me actually knowing something about them.

Yeah, it seems like I'm gonna need your emails to invite you to this group...I'm not sure if I can do a open-invite thing for it, but I wanted a central place where people can add documents and such.

>>43970

Shoot, forgot about that... sorry...

>>43971

It's all right. I guess a wikia is the second option so people can edit it more freely. I'll set one up tomorrow. (And begin working on characters tomorrow.)

>>43971

You'd actually need a Zoho account to edit fellow members' documents... Forgot about that... OpenGoo used to be the equivalent of Googledocs.. not sure about it anymore (it became Feng Office)

Also... I was feeling inspired...

>>43973

I'll also look into Feng Office. At first glance it seems like I could let people edit without an account.

>>43974

I'll trying it out right now..
Post results later...

Screw it, its not even free.

So, just for clarification, what's so wrong with Google docs? Sorry, bit behind on this. The privacy changes don't include any intrusive phishing, from what I understand- they can't read or interfere with what we do their services... unless it hurts people...

>>43976

I might have heard about the new privacy policy and got paranoid about it. But Marvel won't raise a stink about fan shit...I guess I jumped the gun. All right, I'll put it on Google Docs and share it.

Can't blame you for that. Some people flipped the switch over the information consolidation process.

I wonder when they'll figure out that all you need is a second account for googling porn.....

>>43972
Wikia works. Especially since if we start seeing vandalism (i.e Spider-Womans entry goes from "Gwen Stacy" to "LOL WOMEN CAN'T BE SUPERHEROES" or somethings silly and childish, then you can just start forcing log-ins to edit, and eventually bans)

Okay, here's the document for the basic outline:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RHEgYopznbIRUfMENQ-HkWWHm_sQv6mkfkclLValCqs/edit

If you want a group, I can make one.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!

So did we want that group? I figure it'd be easier for people to add their own stuff that way.

>>43980
password? uploading my yellow-jacket ideas soon

>>44000

There shouldn't be a password required.

Thanks for all the edits made so far. I'm really thinking about doing a group so you guys can put your own documents and stuff in for consideration. My lead characters tend to have some slightly eccentric tendencies or world views, so I imagine what I'll be using will be different from what you guys are thinking of. (Though ideas from all corners is great.)

So... you'd be ok with Peter turning to the Dark Side and selling out his Yellow Jacket tech and services during Gwen's time as venom? It'd be an interesting concept, seeing as Peter has an in with Dr. Octavious.

>>44007

That'd be an interesting idea. I'm not sure if I'm personally 100% for it but it's something to consider.

>>44009

We'll see how it goes. If we decide that Aunt May still has a heart attack during the Venom saga, we could probably take him down that alley... especially if Felicia starts pushing him in the right direction...

Green temptation...

I haven't been answering questions on the Google doc as it turns out I can't use a nickname on it, and I prefer to do so. In the meantime, here's the group I made for the project, so feel free to post stuff there:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/the-spectacular-spider-gwen

As for the script itself, I'm still banging out characters. Gonna sit down tomorrow and block off time for it mainly. But I adore playing against type so I want to capture that while lining them up with past characterizations.

Okay, been working on this to a degree in the Google Doc, just to confirm I'm still on it!

Hey- Just a shot in the dark here but if Peter "goes to the Dark side" with Doc Oct or whomever would anyone object to it being Pym that pulls Pete out of his funk? Pym is practically a mad scientist himself but he fight the good fight and would see himself in Parker.

Just throwing it out there.

>>44031

That wouldn't be so bad in a side story. The main arc runs tight as is, but there are timegaps between certain issues that other stories can fill.

Guys:
What if
Human Torch and X-23
Teamed up with Spider-Gwen?

How about reinventing Hypno-Hustler as a Deadmau5/Skrillex personality

Doesn't have to be a villain

>>44047
Somebody sure loves Hypno-Hustler...hell, go for it.

>>44046
I kinda want to bring in the FF if I ever do a second arc, so I'll keep this in mind.

Also I'm adding more and more stuff to the Google Doc every day, so be sure to keep tabs on it.

alright guys. at the last second when i was finishing the last parts of these concept sketches, autodesk and my tablet shat out at the same time. I managed to grab a screencap at the last second (lots of lasts). Sorry but this isn't how this was supposed to be presented. I managed to grab most of the important stuff on the screen. Yellow Jacket's flight backback is up to your interpretation until I get to it later this week maybe. i'll see what I can do now. But this is what I came up with

>>44073

Nice, dude! It seems to match up with my plan for Yellowjacket, namely as a costume that fits over a battle harness with exposed tech for gear. And it catches the slight Zabee reference I was thinking of. An excellent starting point.

>>44076
ohthankgod
I'll have the flightpack in whenever and anyone can do what they want with it afterwards

Okay, I've been looking over my more pressing projects as of late (other deadline-based writing plus my job hunt) and I realize that Spider-Gwen, while super cool, is not at the highest priority at this moment and I may not be able to block out a ton of time for an eight-issue series right now. However, I'd still like to be involved to some degree. Maybe we could get other writers to pitch in, I could do an issue or two and contribute the development notes I have?

>>44200
while in the same situation, I'd like to contribute as well to the writing

>>44204

My main concern is adding too many cooks to the pot in terms of who actually writes everything out. And I want these to be very good.

Okay, bringing this back up again. Who else might be interested in writing the project? I'm willing to dump all my compiled notes that they can use to write with.

>>44245
I'm for it, potentially.

>>44263

That'd be great. Maybe you could work with someone else as well so you don't have to do the whole run. As I said, I could do an issue maybe.

>>44266
Certainly. I don't think I could hack it all on my own.

>>44266

I'm game

>>44245
Always up for writing.

>>44263
>>44382
>>44732

Any way you guys can team up on it or whatever would be great. Here are my notes to work with. Ideas and Outlines have the basic outline I planned for the eight issue arc, along with a lot of stuff copy/pasted from the /co/ threads. Characters have experimental ideas on how I'd do the characters.

Spider-Gwen Ideas and Outlines: http://pastebin.com/kJzhmztd
Spider-Gwen Character Notes: http://pastebin.com/Q6zfvvfy

At this point I'm also thinking about doing at least a one-shot, just to "set up" the whole world, give an idea what it's like. Sort of like an issue 0. Could be worth doing.

Small suggestive bump.

About Peter's part-time alter ego... I don't mean to step on anybody's toes, but how about calling him Hornet instead of Yellowjacket? I know it's such a small difference, but there is precedence for it.

Other than that I have no real suggestions and wish you all the best.

>>45138

I know about the other alter egos Peter once had, but I just chose Yellowjacket because I thought it popped more as a name.

>>45138
>>45149

I remember that came up. We discussed that in one the early thread, and agreed on Yellow Jacket. While Hornet has precedence, we decided to distance ourselves from "The Loners" and I think somebody wanted Peter to apprentice himself to Pym and lampshade the naming and their relationship. That being said I don't think it'll be a problem to swap the names about if people feel that strongly about it.

Anyone still working on this? I haven't seen any updates...

>>45783

That is awesome art.

I sort of...became unable to do anything else with this. Even more so these days with the job I have that requires a lot of hard focus on my part. Recently, though, I did get the idea of at least commissioning some art pieces illustrating different parts of the proposed story. I still really like the idea, but tons of shit have dominated my priorities these days.

I have an artist in mind, but since they won't be able to get to my request yet, I'll gladly look at others.