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220059 No. 220059
Old thread: >>217079

Forever Evil is still happening.

Bane: We Bats now.

Bob Harras: Still ruining DC.

TV Shows: Plenty of rumors for new series, including Young Justice.

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>> No. 220060
>Carrie, starring Supergirl.
The bad "Carrie" movie, I guess.
>> No. 220083
There was talk of a Gordon centric GCPD series being developed mainly his days before the Bat.
>> No. 220086
GETTING stupid?
>> No. 220154
>>TV Shows: Plenty of rumors for new series, including Young Justice.

I love Arrow more than I expected I would, but is it doing so well in ratings that it merits three sorta related shows?

Flash and Young Justice I can understand, since they are known franchises with fans already. Hourman on the other hand...

Still, I hope this is not the beginning of some sort of DC TV implosion.
>> No. 220157
To mirror the Marvel Thread.
>> No. 220163
That depends on how The Flash is received I think. They are brainstorming a few and getting drafts written but I think only if The Flash works will they start green lighting other projects. So far they seem to have a good characterization for Barry and that will count with the comic fans and the rest it just a wait and see.
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>> No. 220271
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So, Wonder Woman.
>> No. 220284
And there are already people complaining that her boobs aren't big enough.

>> No. 220286
I don't think her breast size matters remotely as much as the fact that she just plain doesn't look like a warrior. She looks like another generic, scrawny, runway-model doll. She's going to have to work out like mad to have enough muscle to look like she's capable of kicking anyone's ass.
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and word is The Rock is going to help her do it which is nice he should be able to help her develop a presence so she can be on screen with the other two and it feel that she's their equal. Hope this movie isn't getting too overloaded in an attempt to play fast catchup with Marvel.
>> No. 220290
She also can't act her way out of a paper bag, going from what I've seen her in.

Which hasn't been much, but she hasn't BEEN IN much.

The biggest accomplishment on her resume is winning a beauty pageant. Which tells you all you need to know about what they were looking for when they picked her. I know people flip out over almost every actor picked, but for god's sake this one is barely even an ACTOR.
>> No. 220291
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same lady that did Casting for Sucker Punch and Watchmen. Maybe Dwayne Johnson can help her pull it all together. In other news Henry has/is dating the woman that should have been picked. The MMA fighter that could kick both their asses.
>> No. 220294
To be honest I don't see what's so unlikely about that since that's something actors actually do.
>> No. 220295
hope she can handle it. Be a shame she does it well for this movie but the exertion is too much for her to do it again later. Bale's antics are nowhere near healthy method.
>> No. 220296
>Hope this movie isn't getting too overloaded in an attempt to play fast catchup with Marvel.

You know that's EXACTLY what's happening.
>> No. 220298
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I can keep lying to myself well up until its release. Least by that time there will be a thriving DCTV universe, unless they go total apeshit and murder the whole thing to attempt boosting the movies.

Speaking of which >People bitching Iris will be black.

Just jumping it up a generation
>> No. 220299
I have zero problems with Iris being black and I fucking love Iris.

Now, my question is, is this for a Flash series or fucking Arrow?
>> No. 220300
Flash series spinning off from Arrow.
>> No. 220301
Right they were going to backdoor it but then decided to make it a whole spinoff from the start. Did get a kick out of Barry dicking around the rack of chemicals while it was storming.
>> No. 220304
Alright, 'bout time I gave Arrow a shot anyway since it seems like one of the VERY few positives DC has going for them.
>> No. 220305
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tis good, starts slow but then started building up as names get dropped and the villains start showing up. Ollie has a pretty good arc of growth and Felicity is the best along with "Driver Man".
>> No. 220307
I'm only like 10ish episodes into Arrow and I like it enough to keep going for two reasons.

1: I actually find this Ollie to be interesting. He has really no fucking clue on how to be a big ol' creature of Vengence and you see him learning where the lines are.

But mostly:
2: the fight choreography. I have no idea why a CW show hired such top notch fight choreographers when they've been getting away with "punch, dodge, toss into wall" since the WB started with Buffy. But damn, I appreciate it.
>> No. 220335
>To mirror the Marvel Thread.

So the thread is copying Marvel... badly?

How appropriate.
>> No. 220410
> > 2: the fight choreography.

It's a bit uneven though. The fights between Colorless Arrow and Dark Arrow are amazing, but Black Canary can't do a roundhouse kick to save her life.
>> No. 220411
>Colorless Arrow
That's a fan nickname, right?
>> No. 220419
Yea gag about the whole Arrow Hood thing. Though since the show is gaining and its dropping in the comic stuff he might actually "go green"
>> No. 220442
Gal Gadot Performs Wonder Woman Themeyoutube thumb

Heh, okay I'll wait and see what happens.
>> No. 220475
>This is something actors do
>Bale right?

Basic biology. Testosterone is the hormone needed to build up muscle. Men have more testosterone than women.

Among women, those who are in higher body mass indexes have higher testosterone than those in lower body mass indexes. In the entire normal population, an especially thin woman like Gadot has the least testosterone, and thus the least ability to build up muscle.

It's difficult for a thin man to build up a physique that is visibly athletic. It's far more difficult for a thin woman to do the same. Doesn't mean it's impossible, but realistically it's an extremely steep hill. You really shouldn't cast a thin woman as an athlete, hoping she can just move herself over to a different body type.

Moreover, to be blunt, I know we bitch and moan about every actor/actress to get a part, but Gina's barely been in anything period. She won beauty contests and was the arm-candy in low-quality action films. That's about it. Doesn't mean she can't grow into more, but this is probably not a role to give someone hoping they can grow in acting ability AND completely change their body type.
>> No. 220478
Maybe having The Rock to help will be boon to her. Be great if she takes to it. Her vid shows she has some enthusiasm for it so maybe it will work.
>> No. 220492
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Dustin Nguyen has forsaken you as well.

Have fun with your new and progressive Nightwing.
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>> No. 220494
>>body armor
>>hoodie with rolled up sleeves
>>fingerless (maybe?) gloves
>>straps everywhere

Better not be final cause damn that is one complicated costume. The shake-up however actually slightly excites me. Nightwing has been a very uninteresting book thus far. It's because of that I was hoping he might end up a brainwashed Talon replacement for a bit during this Forever Evil crap. But I guess letting Not-Cass take over for a little while could be just as readable.
>> No. 220495
>Dustin Nguyen has forsaken you as well.

That looks like an extremely blatant attempt on his part to warn us to get the fuck out of DC.
>> No. 220501
Like Simone and her Batgirl writing.
>> No. 220507
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What the...?
>> No. 220508
1. Batman Black and White should be digital first. Each issue is broken up into digital sized chapters. Well, just release them as alternating Legends of the Dark Knight stories. Aside from that Batman Black and White is exactly what I've come to expect from B B&W, so I was pleasantly surprised the format has more or less stayed the same.

2. With 5 years later, that makes four ongoing set in three different futures. Also, this is probably a way for DC editorial to capitalize on one of it's biggest past successes.
>> No. 220510
so Brother Eye and a bunch of Super Zombies. Bit behind there DC.
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For an issue that spends most of its time exploring the origin and motives for Owlman, JL #25 sure makes me want to read more about his adventures with Talon instead. Maybe because Owlman's origin just doesn't do much for me this time round. I guess I'm meant to assume he was mentally deranged on Earth 3 just like on Earth Whatever? Which still boils down "he's just plain evil" anyway.
>> No. 220548
In TV news Arrow seems to be shaping up nicely. Yea dems Origins.
>> No. 220554
>Grudgingly watch another ep of Arrow to see if /co/ is right about it being good
>Try to bury decades-old Green Arrow fanboyism, to avoid "I'm sorry, but that's not my Green Arrow" reaction
>Watch until the credits play

Nope. Still think it's about as bad as the life action Birds of Prey. I'm just gonna put the enthusiasm down to fans being starved for anything better than the Wonder Woman pilot.
>> No. 220558
WB is fucking retarded, you have to play their game, that means you can't be what you are doing, they are literally scared of you calling a Superhero by name, hence Dark Knight, Man of Steel, Arrow, Smallville, etc.

So you have to play the game if you wanna see that character on TV or in movies, strip the name and colors, earn their trust, once you have the profit they are significantly less terrible and will let you slowly turn it into what it's supposed to be.

Even so you are totally correct in your opinion, it's not Green Arrow and as a true testament to the fucking stupidity of the WB, if you want Green Arrow it can't be Green Arrow.

Green Lantern ruined it for everyone.
>> No. 220567
I've never been one who cared about source accuracy, hell, the Green Arrow being published now is nothing like the one I was reading a few years ago and the one I was reading a few years ago is nothing like the one I actually enjoyed.

But I'm still enjoying Arrow as I go through it (10 episodes into season 1). It's a sharp action show who's main flaw is that it's also a wb drama. I came in prepared for that, so while I appreciate other's complaints about it, I can look past it and have come to really enjoy some of the cast.

Besides, outside of the new 52 comic, we've never really gotten a Year Two. Think of this as a weird Year Two. With his family that's supposed to be dead and his main villain being basically a totally new person. Though, I'm just kidding around, if you don't like the fact that stuff doesn't have what you like about a piece of media, that is enough of a reason to stop watching, if you think you won't get past it. Nothing wrong with tuning your entertainment to your tastes

Speaking of the new 52 comic, two of the top comic writers [i]of the last thirty years[i] have tried to bring that book back to life, but I still can't get on board with it like I did Arrow.
>> No. 220568
All that for a show I just KIND of like. Man, I'm no good at the internet.
>> No. 220581
>The Dark Knight ends with #29
>Animal Man ends with #29
>> No. 220596
So shocker to nobody Beware the Batman is dead, Dini dropped the hammer on the Smodcast. In short Cartoon Network is run by shitlords (shocker I know) and no toy money for them means no play for your show (same shit they did with Hasbro that lead to them forming The Hub) Doubt we'll even have the rest of the season run out on this one.

>> No. 220607
I knew this was coming the moment they put it on hiatus in October, but it still stings to have those last few shreds of hope completely sundered. I'm going to dare to hope that they at least shove the remaining episodes onto the air, and that the writers were able to tie up any major threads (as episodes were still being worked-on when the latest hiatus started).

If the CN execs are so fucking concerned with how toyetic a series might be, why the hell do they even greenlight something without getting a toy deal ahead of time? Hell, right now I sort of wish they'd never even greenlit Beware the Batman if they seemingly made up their minds without giving the show a fair shot. Then at least this particular version of Batman might've come to light in a way that may have lasted longer. Now it's just a "failed" show, so any comic tie-ins are going to be axed along with it, and this particular envisioning will almost certainly never be touched in a meaningful way again.

And I know DC and CN are part of the same larger company, but people on the DC side of things can't be pleased with CN shredding up DC programming like cheap toilet paper. The DC Nation block rapidly became a fucking joke, and I'd be genuinely surprised if they actually try to continue it with more shows at this point.
>> No. 220610
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>Hope and and pray and sacrifice small children for Batfamily cartoon
>Watch as it gets a red light so Beware the Batman can happen instead
>Tune in, feel serious unease with lots of the designs and a general lack of enthusiasm for the writing
>"Well, I guess it's okay and could improve. I'll stick with it as long as it's arou-"
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>> No. 220623
They really need to figure a way to cut a deal with Hub Network since that channel actually likes showing DC stuff. Outside of TTG CN has killed everything never actually giving any show a chance because they don't get a large enough cut of the damned merch, hell even the shorts get abused by these idiots, damn SBFF would have been good as a full show.
>> No. 220624
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I am suddenly reminded of why i like DC and why DC hates it's self with a passion.
>> No. 220626
Kinda makes me wish they'd just give up and let their stuff revert in bulk or just PD. Last man turn out the lights before you close the door. I mean Warner Bros clearly won't fight for them what else can one do. Its one of those things that I hope Disney buys them off at some point. MoS Bat family Wonder Spectacular is a crashing failure and Warner just sells it all off cept leaving options for the Key players and whomever they are using in the TV series (minus Supes)
>> No. 220640
Killing off Pa was the dumbest thing to happen to Supes - yes, worse than Barda porn, Superman Blue, and Man of Murder
>> No. 220643
Honestly, for even how goofy it was, I still kinda liked the Superman Blue stuff.
Superman Red is where it just went completely off the deep end though, I won't defend that.

... I miss Strange Visitor.
>> No. 220645
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We all do.
>> No. 220646
They've been killing off Pa for 75 years though. Both he and Ma were dead until post-crisis (I believe the explanation was that they opened ancient pirate treasure that contained smallpox which killed them).

And the sheer amount of times Pa had a heart attack post crisis is ridiculous.

Ma on the other hand? they shouldn't have killed Ma.
>> No. 220651

I'm sorry, but Byrne's story about his Rape, Mind Control, and cuckolding fetish is still much worse.
>> No. 220682
I have no idea what you're talking about. Byrne never wrote anything about Barda, ever.
>> No. 220683
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I'm not sure if you're fortunate or not for not knowing about this.
>> No. 220685

Holy shit, you don't know. It is one of the creepiest things Byrne has ever wrote.

Action Comics 592-593 pretty much goes like this:

I don't remember it completely, but here's the key points:

> Mister Miracle does Mister Miracle sort of things, comes home with Oberon to find Darkseid sitting on their couch (As Darkseid is wont to do)
> He has a video tape of Big Barda getting it from Superman.
> Scott is horrified.
> It's implied that Darkseid has Agents on Earth whose whole job is to look for Porn for Darkseid.
> Turns out that Big Barda and Superman are being Mind Control by a New God named Sleeze (I think), who is using them to make Superhero porn.
> Sleeze used to be Darkseid's scumbag friend when Darkseid was still Uxas. Sleeze got too weird and creepy to hang out with, so he exiled him to Earth.
> He basically told Mister Miracle all this to just see the look on his face, I guess because he promptly fucks off.
> Mister Miracle finds Sleeze, his Film Crew, and Superman boning Barda and breaks up the racket, saving the powerhouses from Sleeze's mind control. I think Sleeze gets killed by Darkseid at the end.

So, yeah. Mind Control/Rape Porn featuring Superman and Big Barda, as penned by John Byrne.
>> No. 220689
I'm almost positive that this person knows about the story and is denying its existence for humorous effect/to stress their displeasure of it. It's similar to "sarcasm on the internet"
>> No. 220690

Sarcasm isn't that hard to pick up on the internet. There are some good flags, like incredibly specific denials.
>> No. 220697
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To bad my love of trolling makes my love that moment...
>> No. 220700
We wish that was "shooped".

T4, I know it's your usual "you", but could you be more clear with what you're saying?
>> No. 220701
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Hm. Re-reading that post makes it incredibly obvious now.


Hey, I hated Countdown, but I love when Darkseid sits on Mary Marvel's Sofa. Basically, any time Darkseid shows up on someone's couch; a trend started by Jack Kirby. The accompanying picture is from JLI.
>> No. 220702
Dudes that are enough of a boss to own the room.
>> No. 220703
Why does Oberon have a copy of mein komph at his house?

I'm just getting into the 80s mr miracle by dematties. Great stuff
>> No. 220716
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Wow, Dini is dropping some SAD, DISGUSTING truths.


DINI: “They’re all for boys ’we do not want the girls’, I mean, I’ve heard executives say this, you know, not Ryan(?) but at other places, saying like, ‘We do not want girls watching this show.”

SMITH: “WHY? That’s 51% of the population.”

DINI: “They. Do. Not. Buy. Toys. The girls buy different toys. The girls may watch the show—”

SMITH: “So you can sell them T-shirts if they don’t—A: I disagree, I think girls buy toys as well, I mean not as many as f***ing boys do, but, B: sell them something else, man! Don’t be lazy and be like, ‘well I can’t sell a girl a toy.’ Sell ‘em a T-shirt, man, sell them f***ing umbrella with the f***ing character on it, something like that. But if it’s not a toy, there’s something else you could sell ‘em! Like, just because you can’t figure out your job, don’t kill chances of, like, something that’s gonna reach an audi—that’s just so self-defeating, when people go, like… these are the same fuckers who go, like, ‘Oh, girls don’t read comics, girls aren’t into comics.’ It’s all self-fulfilling prophecies. They just make it that way, by going like, ‘I can’t sell ‘em a toy, what’s the point?’

DINI: “That’s the thing, you know I hate being Mr. Sour Grapes here, but I’ll just lay it on the line: that’s the thing that got us cancelled on Tower Prep, honest-to-God was, like, ‘we need boys, but we need girls right there, right one step behind the boys’—this is the network talking—’one step behind the boys, not as smart as the boys, not as interesting as the boys, but right there.’ And then we began writing stories that got into the two girls’ back stories, and they were really interesting. And suddenly we had families and girls watching, and girls really became a big part of our audience, in sort of like they picked up that Harry Potter type of serialized way, which is what The Batman and [indistinct]’s really gonna kill. But, the Cartoon Network was saying, ‘F***, no, we want the boys’ action, it’s boys’ action, this goofy boy humor we’ve gotta get that in there. And we can’t—’ and I’d say, but look at the numbers, we’ve got parents watching, with the families, and then when you break it down—’Yeah, but the—so many—we’ve got too many girls. We need more boys.’”

SMITH: “That’s heart-breaking.”

DINI: “And then that’s why they cancelled us, and they put on a show called Level Up, which is, you know, goofy nerds fighting CG monsters. It’s like, ‘We don’t want the girls because the girls won’t buy toys.’ We had a whole… we had a whole, a merchandise line for Tower Prep that they s***canned before it ever got off the launching pad, because it’s like, ‘Boys, boys, boys. Boys buy the little spinny tops, they but the action figures, girls buy princesses, we’re not selling princesses.’”
>> No. 220720
And that is the reason Hasbro had to leave. No way could FiM have thrived on Cartoon Network with that kind of attitude.
>> No. 220721
>we’ve got too many girls. We need more boys
So not even counting the number of boys in isolation, they just presume that more girls means less boys?
>> No. 220723
Well yea if more girls watch that means less boys are watching obviously. Marketing and the executives are idiots on this kinda thing.
>> No. 220724
Allow me to sum up DC, CN and their toy companies as of late.

The password is bellybutton and NO GIRLS ALLOWED!
>> No. 220726
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Its not like it wasn't made, just they couldn't give a shit to do more. People wanting to buy Katana..pfft an interesting and emotion heavy female WHY IS SHE IN THIS CARTOON!!! Bleh.
>> No. 220727
Giving it one figure in the "collector" market line is not giving it a line. Mattel is just a poorly run company when it comes to it's boys division, which is a completely separate issue from Cartoon Network's need for toylines.

Cartoon Network must be both making very little money and get a MASSIVE chuck of royalties from original and co-created series for them to meddle at this level. Most companies who licence out have the toy company do the demographic research and most of the targeted marketing for them.
>> No. 220728
and its gotten progressively worse in the last few years as other lines have gotten better. Hasbro Legends now pulls about the same price point that Mattel as jacked up the DCUC crap to all the while removing articulation and making them more shit then they were back when they first started the line in 2008. And now that others like the Turtles are back on the shelves in force along with the massive increase in Disney/Marvel presence. Mattel is pretty much up a creek. And the shit of it all is that due to some crap deal made when they divided up the Kenner Licenses Mattel controls the DC stuff and apparently nobody has the sense or ability to pry it away from them.

Hell the same month that they put Beware the Bat on Hiatus was when McDonald's started its promotions. Really though I think some executive got "Gun Shy" for lack of a better term of Batman as a whole and was planning on nixing the whole thing from the start.
>> No. 220734
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This seems pretty unisex
>> No. 220758
Clip the ears and it would be Katana's mask. So what would it take for a network to accept girls as part of a fanbase guessing its more the network itself since Hasbro hasn't given two shits of worry that a large segment of a base crosses gender and age boundaries.
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I'm game.
>> No. 220870
Ernie Hudson may be Detective West in the new Flash series.

>> No. 220956

It's literally nauseating to watch what DC is doing to their female characters.
>> No. 220966
hence Simone doing other comics. Tomb Raider will so be what some DC stuff should be. Why is DC being so toxic now?
>> No. 220967
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The jaws infection, just for a new generation.

Women are POISON to the insecure nerds DC and most videogame companies feel they need to cater to. they actually aren't but that's the thinking, Dini being a great example of it.
>> No. 220969
I should say Dini is a victim of it rather, s'cuse my phrasing.
>> No. 220970

while Hasbro crosses boundaries all over the place.

the support they've shown in reaching to all is encouraging. Maybe companies like DC will at some point learn to follow them.
>> No. 220972
What Hasbro's doing is different from how cartoon marketing and demographics have been since the 80's, but that probably has less to do with altruism or want for equality and more to to with the fact that they've killed the middle man.

They're the toy company and they have all the proper demo info and all the proper research and ALL of the shows they pay to be made are also advertising their own products. IE: efficiency and capitalism accidentally (slightly) reduced the amount of inherent sexism in targeted children's marketing via cartoons.
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But they did have a cartoon that crossed boundaries and instead of freak about it they subtly encouraged that base to continue and grow. My thing is DC/WB/CN appear to lose their shit at the idea of other demographics buying into their show and then instead of figuring a way to market it to include they just burn the whole damn thing to the ground. Overall I just find it nice that at least Hub Network has executives that seem to give a damn about what they air in contrast to other networks out primarily for the dosh.
>> No. 220976
So nervous about this, still. That's a HUGE legacy to live up to. The fact that Neil's apparently involved is a little reassuring, though.
>> No. 220982
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I still got a chuckle out of this final page.
>> No. 220983
hah poozer
>> No. 221012
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Wow, Fuck Scott lobdell, he's a million times worse than I ever realized he was.

Fuck his apology too, he's only apologized because he was caught.



On the bright side Mark Waid yet again shows he's one of the best dudes when it comes to supporting creators saying:

12/19/2013 at 10:42 pm

Circle the date. We have reached a point in this industry where young freelancers are sincerely afraid that Scott Lobdell, if upbraided, could make or break their careers. If I were thinking about killing myself, today would not be the worst day for it.

A word to young freelancers, for what it’s worth: despite what you may hear (or fear), I wouldn’t even have to take off my shoes to count how many people in this industry can single-handedly ruin your chances at success. Here’s a good litmus test: can they sign checks or approve vouchers? No? Then they can’t do shit to you, especially if you have real talent. There are a lot of established freelancers out there who can (and will) help young talent, but despite what the creepier ones might want you to believe, almost none of them can actually blockade you these days, not with as many outlets for your work as exist. Your fears of burning bridges are understandable and rational, but–again, especially if you have real talent–they are grounded in myth and stem from a time when comics was a much, much smaller community.

May his career fucking burn over this.
>> No. 221016
Yeah, not even Rocafort makes up for this guy on Supes.
>> No. 221029
I'll say this for him, I DID like some of his work years ago. Like some of Generation X, and... hm... well now that I think of it what I like was the art more than the writing.

Well I also liked his work on...... There was something, wasn't there? Let me check wikipedia.


Dude, fuck Scott Lobdell.
>> No. 221030
There was a 2009 study in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology that's relevant, I suspect. Effron, et al. In essence, people were asked would they vote for Obama or McCain. Those that picked McCain weren't studied further. Of those that picked Obama, half were asked a question before "who are you voting for" and half were asked it after. The question varied, but one example was (paraphrasing) "imagine you're hiring a police chief for a police force that has a lot of racial strife between the officers. Is this a job where the race of the chief relevant? Pick either 'Yes, much better for a Black,' 'Yes, much better for a White,' or 'No, not important'". Those who had just said they were voting for Obama showed a statistically higher likelihood of believing a white police chief could handle the problem better. In short, because they had just answered a question that made them subconsciously think they had "I'm not racist!" credentials, they proceeded to favor whites. Derp. Point being, Lobdell's done a few stories over the years with homosexual characters. Probably thought to himself "Hey I'm cool with the gays, right?" Aaaaaaand fuckup.
>> No. 221036
Still wondering about the point A to B on this. Meaning how on earth could a person think this is proper discourse with any other human being?
>> No. 221043
By taking part in a culture that doesn't acknowledge that the people he was talking to that way are human beings. At least, not FULLY human beings.
>> No. 221044
He's a sociopath.
>> No. 221055
but he's not working at Marvel anymore is he?
>> No. 221065
He made himself believe that doing a few things like writing a bisexual Starfire and having Northstar come out of the closet made him "cool with the gays," and thus anything nasty coming out of his mouth would just be good natured ribbing like between old high school chums.

Turns out... nope. Doesn't work like that.
>> No. 221067
>bisexual Starfire
This is relevant to my interests
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