Certainly sounds better than anything I've heard from any other fan project.

I haven't heard much, but hey.

  Last one, not quite as good.

>>69934
So is Azula a vampire or something?

>>69939

Your guess is as good as mine. Hm...that wouldn't surprise me though.

>>69939

See now, I'd actually watch it if this were the case.

Something THAT bad would have to be good.

>>69934

That particular piece of concept art has always perplexed me. It's never been connected with anything on-project and I'm not even sure who drew it. It's just kind of...there.

Looks pretty though.

>>69945

Too late. You're making vampire Azula canon.

I want her sleeping upside down from a rafter in her first scene.

hey hey ret's go
kenka suru
taisetsu na mono
PROTECT MY BALLS
boku ga warui
so ret's fighting
ret's fighting rove

>>69946
Damn it man, you're making me want to dredge up that avatar with vampires/gargoyles/werewolves thread!

>>69934
what

>>69934

That's the great mystery for me. Exactly why this constellation of talent gathered around the brainchild of "Serial Keiffer" of all people. Was it pity? What?

At the very least, the knowledge that he's taking a hands-off approach to the project gives me reason to think this could actually turn out pretty cool. The voice acting's surprisingly good. The excerpts below instil tremendous weight into a script that's frankly pretty slight.

>>69934
I'm going with his parents being insanely wealthy, it's also why he's such a brat.

That or he has magical powers to compel peoples action.

We've moved to this thread now then?

So hey um, Sweettalker, I'm curious. Who're you voicing in DoD?

Maybe they just liked the idea?

I have to throw out made props to Venice, I visisted her dA and really love her art.

Also I love Yasora's design in general. Melancholy and flutes are two of my favourite things.

>>69947

>Why wouldn't we?

Because the idea's such an extreme departure from the source material you profess to be so fond of.

Ever hear of or (God forbid) read "Spider-Man: Reign"? DoD feels like that.

Jesus Christ guys, what happened to being ambivalent?

Other than Milli, all I can see here is thinly veiled taunting.

For shame.

>>69960

Did you just call me black?

>>69962

I did indeed. Though you should know, the pot was just trying to ham it up.

>>69962
Both pot and kettle are nice guys.

Seriously though. Since some of you have just admitted that working on this could actually get you in trouble at your jobs. What was it about this that made you say "Holy Shit! Career be damned, I must be part of Keiffers fan project!"

...and just a heads up. While I understand you're proud of your fan project, telling everyone that this is the single greatest fan project that has ever existed:
i.e. Kieffer telling us his project is tantamount to "achieving greatness" and your deviant art page proclaiming this to the "The Best Avatar Fic On The Web" (especially since it isn't even out yet), might be one of the things putting people off.

A little humility goes a long way.

>>69958

Post a link, please.

Oh hey, Venice, just curious (though I'm sure you wont be able to tell me), since I see you drew this: http://Avatar-The-DoD.deviantart.com/art/Avatar-The-DoD-Airbenders-137199216
Please tell me those are flashback airbenders. Please please please don't say DoD is going with the whole "secret colonies of airbenders in hiding" idea.

>>69965

Agreed, humility is a virtue.

Also, to Sweettalker? Please understand my utter cynicism that keeps me from believing your claim right off the bat, because it's quite a tall drink to down. Ali Wildgoose can get away with fanart and Jetko pics/fics. Rufftoon, one of the lead story-boarders for season 3 had Yaoi of Zhao, but you can't do something fandom-related in your spare time, even when you weren't a part of the original series? Even Dante Bosco threw the Zutarans a bone and did some lines for the Zutara finale, and he had to have known that news would spread like wildfire. I wasn't aware actors of any type even *had* unions, much less VAs.

If it is true, though, your union kinda sucks. No employer should jump into an employee's private life like that.

>>69971

...wait, what exactly is wrong with that idea? I think it'd be great if Aang had some airbenders left.

>>69973

I've seen a small synopsis saying Aang's kid is the last Airbender now that he's dead, so they'd be contradicting themselves, or rewriting a plot point. Also, Mike and Bryan have both said Aang was the last Airbender. They've also said that any kids he has with Katara could be an Airbender, Waterbender, or neither, so while he's not the final Airbender, he was the last.

Thus, a hidden colony of Airbenders breaks the show's explicit and established canon, something that is generally avoided by projects that try to be sequels, and aren't Zutara, like this one, or Gaang Jr.

>>69965
>Kieffer telling us his project is tantamount to "achieving greatness"

Well, Kiffer does tend to get a bit grandiose sometimes.

I will assure that no one on the project thinks this is the next best thing since urinal cakes(though it may seem like that by the way that we advertise). I guess thats just the way Kiffer decided to go in order to build hype, and its mostly worked, for better or for worse.

Things like the Screen Actor's Guild do exist and they do technically disallow members from working with producers that don't have an agreement with the Guild. Sometimes, especially for anime VA work, people do it anyway and the SAG doesn't seem to care, but I can understand someone not wanting to risk it.

>>69976

With great hype comes great backlash.

>>69975

But just because they were never shown in the show doesn't mean that the potential for other airbenders was there in the Avatarverse. Mike and Bryan chose not to explore that possibility in series, but maybe they just didn't have the time, given how quickly they had to wrap things up in the 3rd season? (And besides, it's not like they didn't leave any plot holes unfilled, i.e. where in the world is Ursa??) I personally would have felt so much better for Aang by the end of the series if he'd had some airbenders alongside him.

>>69980
You appear to have missed this vital point.

>Also, Mike and Bryan have both said Aang was the last Airbender.

"Word of God" says that Aang was the only remaining Airbender as of the original series.

>>69980

Well, I get what you mean, and I can understand the sentiment, but they specifically said he's the last Airbender, either in an interview, or one of the books. It's pretty much the Word of God trope by defenition. It's just like Jet's death, there's no alternative, and it sucks bad, but that's how it is. The major plot hole related to this might be "What happens when the Avatar cycle returns to Air?" which presumably would fall to one of Aang's descendants, but the Air Nomads were gone.

Anyway, about the VA thing.

That's understandable, I just don't know if the SAG would have anything to gain by interfering with a personal/private matter, one not involving any money changing hands.

Mari mentioned this example to me earlier, but David Cross did some VA work for Aqua Teen Hunger Force, a non-union cartoon, under a pseudonym. He admitted it later in an interview, but the SAG didn't really seem to care, or even react.

Maybe the risk being there is enough of a reason to avoid it, but would they really bring the hammer down on DoD if they frequently don't care about actual paid work that's aired on TV? Like I said before, we didn't hear about any problems with Dante Basco throwing the Zutarans a bone.

>>69939
From the looks of things, a vampire of the Dio Brando variety.

>>69983
WINSLOW!

You know what you must draw.

>>69976
> the next best thing since urinal cakes

...wait, what?

>>69946

Vampzula is the best!

>>69989

>>69991
I disagree. I believe this picture is best

>>69986

You know, urinal cakes. The little round pink things you throw in the urinal to make it smell not terrible. Genius really...

>>69996
They are fun to pee on in public urinals.

It's like a little game. Especially when you are pished.

A title like 'The Dawning of Darkness' WOULD make more sense if it was a story about a VampAzula.

Oh, I see we've moved. Awesome.

That Azula drawing was done before I joined DoD. It really has absolutely nothing to do with the storyline.

>>69958
Aw, thanks! <3
And, uh, since someone asked: http://venicegirl.deviantart.com/

>>69971
No worries. Yes, those are flashback airbenders.

>>70001

>That Azula drawing was done before I joined DoD. It really has absolutely nothing to do with the storyline.

So it's on the website, why? There ought to be more of your art up there since it's also good and a much better representation.

Hey, I have a question. Since DoD allegedly already has professional voice actors and writers...who's animating?

>>69991
Azula's face here makes me exceptionally happy.

OK, this is long, but hopefully it answers most of the questions posed:

The original DoD script was ... not great. I showed it to a writer friend of mine for some laughs, and I was surprised when he said it had potential. He took the ideas and ran with them, added comedy and brightness and life to the characters, and the end result was a script that was actually more than halfway decent. I like it, anyway, and I'm pretty picky.

We're taking part in this for several reasons:
One, an animated fan piece with separate actors, writers, and animators was something we'd never seen before,
Two, after looking at Avatar: The Last Airbender, we all fell in love with its world and mythology and characters, and like you, hated to see it end,
Three, we like seeing amateurs grow in talent through this project. Who knows, some of these people might become professionals later on. They're really quite good.
Four, we're pretty small potatoes in our own worlds, but in DoD, our bit of knowledge makes us gods ;) Our opinions are taken seriously and we actually get creative input into characters, plots, and advertising. We even get to take on roles we never get to in real life! I've never directed actors before, but I get to do it here.

I know that the character promo with Kienya doesn't have audio quality nearly as good as the others, but she was using a different kind of recording program at the time and I hated to leave out the main character. The actress may rerecord it, though.

I'm voicing Azula and Katara.

Azula is NOT a vampire, to my knowledge. Some of the artwork you see on the DA site are just concept pieces that get taken out of the storyline. The characters have

There is no hidden colony of airbenders, at least not to my knowledge. Some of the storyline goes back in the past to explain the future, however. So there are some airbender monks in the show, but they've been gone from the world a long time.

Advertising is just that -- advertising. We hope that rampant fandom will keep us around when Viacom demands that we take down our work. It IS an amateur project, however, and while we're proud of it, it is a learning work in progress.

>> Things like the Screen Actor's Guild do exist and they do technically disallow members from working with producers that don't have an agreement with the Guild. Sometimes, especially for anime VA work, people do it anyway and the SAG doesn't seem to care, but I can understand someone not wanting to risk it.

THIS. While SAG may not care, producers DO, and I can tell you from experience that my own director would kick my ass if he knew I was spending so much time on a "side project", especially since I've signed a contract saying I wouldn't do exactly that without prior permission. And if he or the company decide to make a big stink about it, I could lose my SAG membership. Which means a LOT.

Ur, I meant to say "The characters have changed since then." In my unfinished sentence. Which you probably noticed. Sorry about that.

>>70008
>he original DoD script was ... not great. I showed it to a writer friend of mine for some laughs, and I was surprised when he said it had potential. He took the ideas and ran with them, added comedy and brightness and life to the characters, and the end result was a script that was actually more than halfway decent.
This makes a lot of sense now. Based on what I've seen of Kiffer's online profiles, "comedy and brightness" would need to come from outside sources.

Anyway, this all sounds really cool, and I wish you the best of luck with the project (and avoiding your boss's wrath).

Any new test animations or anything?

>>70016

We're working on a new trailer with one of the "villian" characters, although it won't contain much animation, from what I've been told. The new prologue should be out.... soon! "Should" is the operative word here.

>> A bunch of successful 20-or-30-somethings are helping to make a young teen's dream come true.

>> I think the creator must have a terminal disease or something.

ROTFLMAO

>>70020

i hope you got the dude who did the gaang jr trailer.

>>70020

That's cool...

>"Should" is the operative word here.

...but I'm more worried about the relative term "soon".

>So it's on the website, why? There ought to be more of your art up there since it's also good and a much better representation.

I think it's because our website's art gallery hasn't been updated in... well, forever.
It's still concept art, no matter how old it is. Besides, we are keeping a few of those designs (with some modifications).
Our deviantart account is where we regularly update with our art now: http://avatar-the-dod.deviantart.com/

>>70008

Thanks for the info! I think I'm actually looking forward to this now. Can't wait to see what you guys come up with.

It's set me to wondering...do professional industry types usually skulk about the internet looking for fan-series ideas to moonlight their skills for? Because goodness knows we've got at least a half-dozen milling around the place...

>>70020
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY ONE OF THE CHARACTER'S NAMES IS JILLIAN.

I mean, fuck, everything else I'm totally fine with, impressed, even, but JILLIAN?! Why would you give a character in an ancient, Asian setting a modern American name? WHY?!

>>70030

Not usually, no :D But I can tell you that quite a few "showbiz types" will visit fansites to see what people are saying about them... I mean, that's a pretty hard temptation to resist. I know at least 2 actors who frequent their fansites on a regular basis -- to bash the hell out of them. "[This actor] sucks, nothing he does is good, how can you like him," etc., etc. He loves to see people come to his defense.

>>70037
We actual discussed this in the other thread starting here---> >>66522 and continuing down for a bit.

>>70037
>>70040

And despite the "consensus" we reached, I'm still wondering that, too. Please remember my words, a name like that seriously breaks the naming conventions of the world. Reducing believability in your work will remind people that it's a fan project in a big bad way.

I know Venice already said they voted on a possible name change, and the notion didn't pass. I say "vote again." It's terribly distracting, a name like that, and will dog the project. I know some audio's probably already been recorded, or a script already drafted, but even Ji Lian would work better, they could say "Ji" as a nickname and the like.

And I'm sorry, but saying the parents gave her a weird name on purpose is a bit of a lame cop out. Zappa's kids have weird names, but the kids themselves are quite the characters, just read Zappa's autobiography, they're a product of who they were raised by. That said, if you all go the "Jillian's parents were weird" route, would you be willing to have that as a constant running gag? Would it be something that really defines this character? Can it be something that doesn't get old, fast, or doesn't interfere with the narrative?

To balance out the criticism a hair, I'll add some good news. I've decided to take Sweettalker and her buds' words and figure you guys are probably legit. So I'm actually curious now that I know not to knee-jerk dismiss the whole thing as ridiculous since you've got some professional consideration going into this.

>>70043

I know. And trust me, we tried. We were coming up with different name possibilities and being very vocal about it on the forums. There's nothing more we can do.
At this point in time, change won't be happening.

I try to not think about it and press on...

>>70045

Well that's disappointing and a half, what exactly stopped the change? I can't think of any good reason to have kept the name, since nobody outside of the project has any knowledge of the story or character. Had they simply already recorded lines using that name?

>>70045
In all fairness, the names in Gaang Jr are a little silly (though they do fit with the setting), and if we suddenly wanted to make them less derivative, it would be hard at this point. (But I guess in our case we've already "released" a fair amount of stuff, while DoD is still all in development.)

>>70045

That's just....

No.

Why not name an Earthbending Sifu "Bruce"? That would fit in with the Avatar Universe just as nicely.

>>70050

Man, whenever someone says Bruce I get visions of either Mr. Wayne or that Monty Python sketch.

In this case it's the latter. Now I want to see a Sandbender with a pith helmet, khakis, and an Aussie accent so thick you could take a machete to it.

>>70051

Crack tubes!

>>70045
You're still in development, stop being so silly and just CHANGE IT.

>>70069

We're not in development. We're in the middle of production.

And we're working on the issue, thanks. Keep your shirts on.

>>70069

And it takes more than one person's notion to "just change it". There's quite a few people on staff. The character development team alone is a dozen people.

>>70077
I can't believe some kiddy's generic emo fanfic could spread like that.

>>70050

>>70080

Hello, Lee Jun Fan, fancy meeting you here!

>>70077

Are you serious?

>>70078

Fucking seconded.

Alright, let's not let this whole shebang deteriorate into name-calling again. If they haven't been able to reach a consensus on changing the name, that's that. At least the problem is one that is known.

Looked through the DeviantArt, and I will give credit where it is due: you guys are certainly much more organized than we are with Gaang Jr. (though I think that's at least due to the more lax playroom-floor attitude being taken with Gaang Jr.).

One question, and one suggestion. First off, what're the Four Nation Boxes about? Maybe I just didn't look long or hard enough, but I couldn't tell.

And my suggestion is the same one I gave to Gaang Jr. back when we were still in single-digit threads; this project could seriously benefit from a Wiki. It would help keep everything organized and give new people a dandy place to get in on the ground level.

Also, I can't get that Bruce the Sandbending Sifu idea to leave me alone. CURSE YOU, MURPHY!

>>70077

Sounds like too many cooks.

>Looked through the DeviantArt

Yeah, so did I. Where I saw this:

"Avatar-The-DoD
The Best Avatar Fic On The Web"

Classy, y'all. Classy.

>Looked through the DeviantArt, and I will give credit where it is due: you guys are certainly much more organized than we are with Gaang Jr. (though I think that's at least due to the more lax playroom-floor attitude being taken with Gaang Jr.).
Then again, DoD requires a great amount of organization. Or else chaos reigns. Haha.
But I like the fact that Gaang Jr doesn't need to be quite as organized. It is a free-for-all, after all.

>First off, what're the Four Nation Boxes about? Maybe I just didn't look long or hard enough, but I couldn't tell.
You'll be seeing them in Episode 1... and perhaps in something sooner.

>...this project could seriously benefit from a Wiki.
Yes, we think so too. We have one, but we've pretty much done nothing with it. I think we're going to get it up and running...

>>70347
>>Are YOU fast enough to see this Ghost Bump?
Why yes, ghost bumper, yes I am.

Now for content, uh... how about that DoD guys?

>>70348

No noose is good noose.

http://www.uncleyo.com/uy2009/2009/11/10/fan-based-avatar-group-discovered/



"As I often say in my act, American fan cliques have a habit of celebrating their loves by taking in their beloved source material, and rework it somehow.

I’m talking about how fans can dress like Pokemon in tuxedos, creating a gothic-lolita version of the Akatsuki from Naruto, and how groups like DoD can exist.

I’d like to call your attention to a fan-based creation based on the acclaimed series Avatar: The Last Airbender. By taking the series 50 years into the future, they are able to play with the most important two words in fanfic-writing: “What If?”

They can be found here, still in their germination stage, but loaded with potential.

The group is called Avatar: The Dawning of Darkness. They work for no profit, they work from home using flash animation, and their dedication is astonishing. Depending on how they treat their world, both their original characters and pre-existing ones from Avatar itself, their season may turn out to be more accurate than whatever M. Night Shyamalan."

>>71005
>...their season may turn out to be more accurate than whatever M. Night Shyamalan."

than whatever M. Night Shyamalan... what?

C'mon man, don't leave us hanging! I think Uncle Yo has ADD.

>>71005

That's not a review. That's a tweet about a 5-second peek at still no information.

>>71022
Yeah, but they got noticed by Uncle Yo.
The Uncle Yo!

...


Who the fuck is Uncle Yo?

>>71023
Hes pretty famous if you go to a lot of comic cons. look him up on youtube, hes hilarious.

I think it's hilarious he linked to their YouTube video.

Get it?

Be...because all their shit is unorganized...heh...and...right? And they have like 9 websites and forums?

...I thought it was funny.

>>71029 The run like 9 websites? Why so many?

>>71071
Because overexposure is the only substitute availible for quality and content?

>>71072 So your saying that theres no why their fan fic can be any good, but they expect everyone to love it just because its animated?

Just relax and have have a bowl.

In the words of spongebob, "If you try it, you'll love it." lol.

>>69948
lmao that song

>>71079
This is the most nonsensical promotional material I have ever seen for an internet project, and yet I am endeared.

And I'd gladly have a bowl if you gave me one.

>>71083 *Hands you a bowl*

You know, seeing any professional talent at all come to support this thing makes me wonder what would happen if someone tried to make a fan project that wasn't overly ambitious and actually had a decent concept behind it.

>>71085 Well why dont you try and see?

>>71085 define decent concept?

>>71086

Because we're not professionals, nor do we happen to know any? I'd have loved it if somebody had browsed through something of mine and said "hey, wanna do more with it?" out of nowhere, but it really is something that's rather unusual, you have to admit. I guess we'll have to see where it goes, but I wonder what would have happened if they'd picked a different project to do this with.

>>71089 i must have misunderstood what you said.

>>71090

I didn't say it, that was some anon. Maybe by decent concept they mean a concept that Sweettalker didn't show to her friend out of "get a load of this!"

My first beef was that Kieffer killed off Aang because he thought he was a pussy for not killing Ozai.

>>71091 I wouldnt go as far as calling Aang a pussy, but a lot of fans were unhappy with Aangs decision. everyone is entitled to their own opinion i suppose.

>>71093

>I wouldnt go as far as calling Aang a pussy-

Yeah, but the original creator of DoD did. He also thinks Aang wasn't a true prodigy, especially compared to Azula (despite lore saying Aang is the youngest Air Master since Yangchen.)

Personally, I think it was the right decision to make, and to think otherwise is missing the point of the story and missing the point of Aang as a character.

>>71094 well to each his own.

>>71092

WHATS YOUR SECOnd one? (Caps oops)

>>71096

Dude, it's not a chat, you can review what you're about to post and change it as needed, or even delete and repost.

(Edit: Like I did just now.)

I have about six main "beefs" with Dawn of Darkness.

In rough order?

1) Killing Aang for a stupid, petty, reason.

2) Having a character named "Jillian" with the people at the top apparently unable to convince their team to change it.

3) Grimdark seemingly just for the sake of grimdark.

4) The title.

5)Skull tattoos.

6) Serial Kieffer

Those are the big ones.

>>71099 Oh I know, i was just too lazy to fix it lol. kids these days, am i right? lol.

>>71101
>2) Having a character named "Jillian" with the people at the top apparently unable to convince their team to change it.

Speaking of the more reasonable people working on this project, have we heard anything from VeniceGirl or Kratos lately? I'm curious if they've managed to convince the "people in charge" to loosen their tight-ass grip on information so we can finally get an idea of what this is going to be about. Besides, you know, darkness.

>>71108

>have we heard anything

No :D

I'm actually curious as to how all these others (especially the professionals) even found out and got involved in this in the first place?

Did Keiffer start his own little spam campaign or something until a few brave/bored souls decided to check it out and go along with it. Was it just a pre-existing group of his friends and internet buddies that he got involved in this then they blackmailed... I mean convinced other people to join in?

And if this has such "Fight Club" levels of secrecy behind it, how did any of the people now involved get clearance to find out the super secret handshake so-as they could have script details dropped off for them at a pre-determined safe location (most likely after swinging by a few "decoy" locations to make sure they weren't being followed).

>>71093

I would go as far to say that those are not real fans (Serial Kieffer included).

>>71130 You cant honestly say that if you don't support aangs decision, that you aren't really a fan of avatar. Many fans didn't like zukos decision at book 2's end. But because that's how m&b wrote it, I wouldn't just black list anyone who disagrees with it, or anything else put in the show.

>>71114

What reason do we have to believe that anyone working on Darky Dark Darkness is a professional? They're doing the same exact HERP DERP IS A SECRET.

>>71134 So they want to wait until the time is right. Is that so bad?

>>71134
I'm just going by their statements. I'm not saying it's actually true.

But, as you pointed out, with everything being so secretive, I'm still wondering how anyone actually decided to join the project since you actually seem to have to be part of the project in the first place to even be allowed to know the slightest thing about it.

In other words, how did people outside this project actually learn enough about the project to decide to get involved in it when no one that's not already part of the project isn't allowed the privilege of knowing the first thing about what the hell the projects even is?

I'm assuming time travel's involved at some point.

>>71141 Maybe he had an idea, got a group together, they worked on it, and there u have it. Not too complicated. I assume all we need to know is in their first episode. I assume thats what they are working on/ were waiting for.

>>71142

Nah, Sweettalker said that she showed the original, and not so good, script for DoD to her friend/coworker for laughs, but the guy actually said "hrm, maybe it has potential." and that's how it started. I don't think it's really Kieffer's effort that got this together.

Also there's a difference between saying "Perhaps Aang should have killed Ozai, the world is different now and it's possible his beliefs don't suit a war-torn world." and pulling a Kieffer and saying "Aang was a total pussy, he should have killed Ozai, but he couldn't, because he's a pussy."

The first one's an opportunity for discussion, I'm even pursuing a similar theme/possibility for my own fan-project. The second is just spewing crap from your mouth because you wanted to see blood and violence, and shows an utter lack of understanding as to who Aang is and what he stood for.

Comparing it to Zuko's decision at the end of Season 2 doesn't work either. Zuko's decision to return to the Fire Nation was an important step for his character development, and allowed the story to continue in an interesting direction. It would have been too simple and easy for him to simply join the Gaang, and it never would have allowed Zuko to realize that the dream he was chasing was one built for his old self out of his desperation and assumptions.

Aang taking Ozai's life would also have been much more simple, but not as meaningful as a whole. Say what you will, but Aang took the hard way out. If he had actually resolved himself to kill Ozai, the fight would have ended the moment he redirected Ozai's lightning. But in spite of what the world was telling him to do, he found a way to calm even the rage of the Avatar Spirit and found a new solution. Though he was left powerless, sparing Ozai gives him the possibility to learn, and see the world change. Something that's taken away when you resort to something as simple as violence.

>>71145

>Nah, Sweettalker said that she showed the original, and not so good, script for DoD to her friend/coworker for laughs...

See, >>71142 this is what I'm talking about. That would imply that somewhere out there, Keiffers original story for Darky McDakington and the Grimdark Deep Darkness exists.

So if that's true, If someone completely un-attached to him got a hold of it, where is it? Why him and not some other equally shitty fanfic (of which there are thousands) with a workable story?

It's like a fanfic writers wet dream. That someone "in the biz" is going to come across their story and say to themselves "...wait a minute, this has potential. Contact this man immediately!"

It just seems a bit contrived to me.

>>71146
That's not how it happened. lol.

>>71148

see...

>>69915

>I think you can blame me for that. I kinda got into DoD on a lark, and dragged a bunch of people with me.

...and...

>>70008

>The original DoD script was ... not great. I showed it to a writer friend of mine for some laughs, and I was surprised when he said it had potential. He took the ideas and ran with them, added comedy and brightness and life to the characters, and the end result was a script that was actually more than halfway decent. I like it, anyway, and I'm pretty picky.

That's Sweettalker, one of your major team members and a VA for the project. Did I somehow misinterpret her exact words?

>>71150

The script and team had already been formed when she joined. She signed on as a voice actor. She wanted to change a few things so she rewrote parts of the episode one script. She got a friend of hers to sign on as a voice actor, and another friend of hers joined as the director of the storyboards.

>>71151

You guys are acting like Sk posted his script on some site and sweetalker came along and decided to turn it into a show.

>>71152

No, that's how *I'm* acting, because as far as I knew, something similar to that happened. Considering the lack of information outside of your team's posts here, I hope you don't think it unreasonable that I reached the conclusion that Sweettalker and her friends were among some of the people who helped start this, nothing posted here told me otherwise. The fact that other people seemed to be thinking along the same lines is just a little more motivation to not be so tight-lipped about the project. I mean, if she found the script like you said, that means she'd have to have signed on as a VA before she really knew what the story was about, and *then* suggested changes for an episode to your already established script team. How did she even find the project in the first place? If it's not how I though, how did you guys get started?

For that matter...what is Dawning of Darkness actually about? What's the plot? We know some characters, but I've never seen anybody post an actual synopsis. I mean, let me use my own fan-comic as an example. I don't have much out, except some concept sketches, some art, a page or two and a plot synopsis. So that people know what my thing is actually about. I'm withholding any criticism about the story for now, but that's because we know about as much about your project as we do the live-action movie.

>>71153

Well we have talked about this many times since we got a basis for the over all story formed. We want to give out a more detailed version of things to the public. But its really hard to summarize the story and leave out this one key element we want to be a surprise until episode one is out. Once the episode is out, then we will be free to mention a lot of things that we have to keep quiet about now. So for now, this will have to do...


If you didn't know... A fan-made show based on the world created by Mike and Bryan in the popular TV show, Avatar: The Last Airbender, is being made.



Show description:

50 years have passed since the end of the Avatar: The Last Airbender, in which Avatar Aang defeated Fire Lord Ozai and ended the century-long War with the Fire Nation. Much has changed... Aang and Katara raised their airbending granddaughter in the South Pole. Fire Lord Zuko has reigned with Mai for half a century, working for peace between the Nations. Most importantly, though, Avatar Aang died 5 years ago, and the identity of the new Avatar is still unknown...

Avatar: The Dawning of Darkness follows the adventures of new characters, including some of the grandchildren of characters from The Last Airbender. While characters from the old show will make occasional appearances, they will not be the focus. This is about a new story, a new generation, and a new danger.

Additionally, Avatar: DoD will expand on the current world of Avatar, introducing new histories, new abilities, and new possibilities. Make no mistake: this show is based on the familiar Avatar universe, but features a brand new, original story!

...

And that's basically our problem with this whole project.

You guys aren't Nintendo doing another Zelda game. There's no need to be so secretive about this. I mean, at least tell us who's in it(other than the main cast)

>>71154 Oh, and sweetalker auditioned on our youtube. We all saw her video, and loved it and asked her to sign on to the group. She did, and has been helpful not just as a voice actor ever since then.

>>71156 So we want to keep it a secret, how can you have that big of a problem with it? We are not a real company, but we might as well be. We have a show we want to release our way, is that so wrong?

>>71152
Well, that's pretty much how it's been described to us. I'd honestly love to hear the real story of how it all came together.

To be honest, I am looking foreword to this project and I really hope it does turn out well. I'm more poking fun at the secrecy and hype versus the actual information being released.

Though I do find it a little tacky to have your website proclaiming this to be the single best Avatar fan project ever conceived. I'm glad you have confidence in your project, but it not only comes across as arrogant, it can also be percieved as a slam to anyone else's project (...and other than a few character bios, you don't really have anything to prove why it's so great).

And, let's not forget Jillian. You do realize why we're so adamantly against that name right? It's not just that it breaks naming convention (would you take a "Lord of the Rings fanfic seriously if you knew one of the hobbits was named "Musahi Yakshiro"), but, if you're not going to stick to something as connocly simple as the shows naming convention, then what else about the shows universe are you deciding to change (and, once again, we don't have any actual information to offset this concern)?

Which is an especially pertinent worry, since these few character bios are about the only information we've been allowed to know.

We're not asking for plot points, just a general overview of the plot and story, like you'd read on the back of a book.

-what's going on
-what's this new threat
-why does the bad guy look like someone from a Diablo game (pic related).
-why is it so dark, is there a worldwide candle shortage--- Holy shit! That's the plot isn't it. I just totally guessed the plot! I'm fucking awesome.

So I guess that mummy in the robes is, like, some evil candlestick maker that got burned by his candles so he's getting revenge by stealing all the candles. That's it, isn't it.

Man that guys a dick, taking everyone candles away. I hope the new Avatar can stop him.



P.S. Until we actually get a plot synpsis, DOD is now officially about an evil candlestick maker.

>>71160

-"what's going on?"

Because of this one thing I cant talk about, My explanation wont make sense. At all.


-"what's this new threat"

Thats kinda the thing I cant talk about.


-"why does the bad guy look like someone from a Diablo game."

Dont know, never played it, take that up with the artist.


"P.S. Until we actually get a plot synpsis, DOD is now officially about an evil candlestick maker."

LOL!!!!! Fine by me.

And we dont have 50 websites lol.

We have a myspace, a youtube, an official website that has a forum and chatbox on it, a deviant art, and thats about it. Just the 4 sites. Someone made us a facebook, but as far as I know we dont use it.

Well...truthfully, I don't think you guys really have a real reason to be as secretive. You guys are a motley crew of Avatar fans, not an independant animation project. I mean you're so shut in about this, that all you've told us are character names, who the parents are, it's 50 years later, Aang is dead.

You haven't said *anything* about what is happening, not even in the most vague of terms. Is the story about some new threat? Is it a person? A group? A nation? Is the story about finding the new Avatar? Even a two sentence fanfic summary can tell us more than we know, and there isn't an actual reason for it, other than your own preferences...which apparently include naming a character Jillian.

I know you have surprises for us in episode 1, but you can't spare even a single specific detail? What sort of pacing does this thing have if it drops a bombshell of a plot twist in episode one?

>>71171 I rather like us not saying much until the episode is out. It gives fans a sense of watching a real show, once they do see it. And honestly not many people are complaining about the name Jillian, just you guys, and not many are upset due to the lack of info, just you guys. So just relax and episode one will be out before you know it.

>>71172

Wait, so what Sweettalker, Venice and Kratos had said about a vote on the name change didn't happen, or wasn't nearly as big a deal as they'd made it out to be?

>Some DoD Worker

>>71160

Ok, about over a year ago, Sk had posted random stuff about wanting to make a new avatar show on his youtube. He had a lot of avatar fans on his friends list, and this was back when you could post bulletins on youtube, if any of you can remember that far back.

But anyway I wasnt too sure about a fan made show when I first read about it. But I had nothing else to do, and it hadnt been that long since the series ended, so I was still feeling the hype of seeing so many new episodes of avatar at one time, and feeling sad because there would be no more episodes ever again.

So I signed on, we got a few writers and artists, though Sk did most of the writing. And set out to make a new avatar show. Sk had made his character, and he told us to make our own avatar characters any way we wanted, which was alot of fun. All of our characters would make up the new gaang, and this would be their story. And that's how the new cast formed.

We were working as a private group on myspace, but about 4 or 5 months ago a newish member by the name of nuwatts suggested we move, as the myspace group (which was good at first), had started to become harder to edit, and go through. So we moved to a new set of private forums.

We had a few voice actors signed on since almost the beginning, but we always need a new voice actor for this and that. So we still hold auditions. Anyway eventually sweetalker signed on and got a her friends to join. She eventually became leader of our audio group, and also does a bit of writing.

And thats about all I can think to write. I'm so thankful that Sk decided to do this whole thing, because its been so much fun, and I have made quite a few friends on here that I talk to on skype almost every day, its like were one big family, and Sk is everyone's grand pa, lol.

>>71173 well as far as I know the vote happened a month or so ago, and in the end they didnt see the name being that big of a deal.

>>71172
It's not that we're making a big deal about the lack of information. We're certainly not losing sleep over it. We're just trying to suggest things that might lead you guys to be more successful.

We're not looking for a complete summary, but releasing a little more than "50 years after the events of the original story, a new group of kids have to defeat a new evil" might help some skeptics get on board. I for one have suggested doing a prequel comic of some sort, set the stage if you will.

Also, candle theives? Wtf? I thought we decided that the story was about Vampzula, not Candle Jack. Oh sh

>>71177

If you can't see why 'Jillian' is so out of line for the Avatar Universe...well, let's just say this project is in serious trouble.

>>71178 Vampzula, could be Candle Jack like zuko was the blue spirit. She is crazy though and could have several split personalities. Or she maybe she just wants to make the world dark, u know, Vampires hate the light. lol.

But as for the vampire pic posted way at the tippy top of this page, sk wanted an old version of azula made. The artist who drew that pic couldnt draw azula old, so she drew her as a vampire and said we could just make her unnaturally young for some reason, vampire or otherwise, but I dont thin the idea made it past that.

>>71180
Ah, that's the story behind the picture. Also, why are you still here? You said his name. Candle Jack kidnaps you whe

>>71181 He must only like the pretty ones. *looks around* where did that guy go?

tl;dr - We still aren't telling you anything.

>>71184
Aside from wait for episode one, afraid not.

>>71190

Then this is now a +/a/ reaction thread.

>>71196 And I don't even know what that is.

>>71210

Two things I have gathered from you. You've never been on a -chan, and you've *never* seen Freakazoid.

>>71213 Yes I have seen Freakazoid, but it was lame. And no, never been on a -chan.

I venture that 'Some DoD Worker' is in fact not a DoD Worker at all, and is infact a troll.

For truly, no REAL DoD worker would be bumbling through a thread like this, fucking things up with stoic, unremitting yet somehow very VOCAL silence for people who are potential fans.

>>71215

>unremitting yet somehow very VOCAL silence

But that's what they've been doing the whole time.

"What is this thing"

"It's an awesome avatar fanwork set in the FUTURE!"

"That sounds cool. Anyone we know in it?"

"Aside from the main cast, we aren't telling you."

"But the Avatar's still alive and keeping the peace, right?"

"Nope he be dead, son. He's just a skeleton with improbable tatoos on his Skull!"

"...does that mean the rest of the gaang's still in this thing?"

"Nah, brah they be old folks. It be they crotch spawns nao!"

"Oh so it's a legacy-type show. Huh. So who are they?"

"Well there's Jillian--"

"Wait wait, hold it. Jillian? No Ji Lian?"

"Nah, brah, It's spelled that way."

"...but that sounds so wrong."

"Nah, see, we voted on it when some punk kids wanted to change it, we said NO U and bitchslapped back to the kitchen."

"...okay...so who are they fighting against?"

"Evil, dude...like old Azula and shit. But she ain't the main baddie..."

"..Oh...wel who is?"

"Sorry can't tell ya."

"How's the world in this show?"

"Sorry can't tell ya."

"How are the kids when it comes to their bending."

"Sorry can't tell ya. But one of them is pretty important to the story so she's gonna be--"

"A Mary Sue?"

"...Sorry can't tell ya."

"Okay aside from this Jillian kid and his merry band of...friends...who are they gonna meet? Are they gonna run into the same gauntlet? Are they going to go to the places the show exhibited?"

"Sorry can't tell ya."

"How's the theme and the mood of the show?"

"Sorry can't tell ya."

"Is there anything more specific you can tell me?"

"Nope, just wait for the first episode, it'll explain EVERYTHING."

----

This is what I know, this is why I'm leery about this.

>>71223
That pretty much sums up my issues with this project nicely.

>>71223

Just one little correction.

>"How's the theme and the mood of the show?"

>"DARKNESS!!!"

Can we at least be civil about this? Please?

>>71235
Might I suggest getting thicker skin.

>>71236 So that's a no?

>>71237

These *are* valid criticisms of your project so far, even if they are dripping with sarcasm. That's more civil than Serial Kieffer and a few other rogue DoDers have certainly been.

>>71239 Well you cant really expect them to not have something to say, after reading what was posted about us, before we even knew about your project.

SK had nothing but nice things to say about gaang jr when he was first shown the trailer. He said it wasn't his cup of tea, as he prefers structure and order to chaos, and it looked like too much trouble to read up on. But he said at least there were fans who were smart enough to do a spin off type thing, not just another failed attempt at a book 4.

Then later we find you guys talking us down, yet you get mad if we say anything in retaliation. A lot of DoD people feel bitter towards you guys for it, even sweetalker had a few choice words for you guys on skype. My point is, we could have all gotten along had you guys just chose your words more carefully. Thats all I'm saying.

I came here to make friends, not start trouble, yet even my attempts at friendship are met with rudeness. So I shall bother you guys no longer, and I leave on good terms.

>>71237

How's about you and your pals fuck off until you have some actual content to share?

Don't reply with a huge post about your feelings and how we're all Avatar fans and how it's seriously good or anything. Just shut the hell up unless you're actually going to give us new information. Otherwise you and everyone involved with your project are a bunch of spammers.

>>71141
>>In other words, how did people outside this project actually learn enough about the project to decide to get involved in it when no one that's not already part of the project isn't allowed the privilege of knowing the first thing about what the hell the projects even is?

It's like how Mormons don't tell you about their prohibiton to drink tea or coffee until you've already fell into the trap and joined their ranks.

I guess that's jealousy for you. The DoD is destined for greatness, while gaang jr will stay unknown and mediocre. You guys should add some structure to your project, or at least organize all your crap so outside people could read it and understand it. But whatever, stay unhappy and rude knowing we will achieve what you only wish you could have.

>>71244

Luckily, we still have Avatar: Singularity to fall back on.

Also, may I take this oppertunity to say that this whole thread has been a collosally wonderful fuck up, and I congratulate everyone who has taken part in it, particularly Ninja, for being such a twat that I actually felt sympathy for something I didn't even care about, and for Some DoD Worker, who seems to think Gaang Jr. is something of a rival project, and has managed to stir up such a huge amount of shit by saying 'Can't tell you' when a stony wall of silence would have been a much better tactic.

Truly, this board is blessed to have such a thread. I shall hide it with pride.

>>71244

I don't see a problem with being unknown. I haven't actively contributed to the project, but it seems like it's mostly something created mostly for the creators and a small set of fans, out of the love of the show, rather than some misguided attempt at internet fame on the shoulders of someone else's intellectual property.

...not that that's what you're doing, of course.

>>71244
Shut the fuck up Keiffer!

>>71244

>implying gaang jr has anything to do with DoD
>talking shit about gaang jr when DoD is the topic of the thread

>>71244

'sup, KF.

I can't believe this is still going

>>71256

Circles end up where they start. More Darkness folks will come and talk trash about Gaang Jr. as if it has any relevance at all. We'll explain that there are only 2 people unfairly criticizing the project and only one of them is involved with GJ and he's obviously trolling. The other one is me and I do it because they're not saying anything except "it's really cool but it's also a super cool secret, so check out our website, deviant art, youtube, chatroom, myspace, facebook, other youtube, other website, other chatroom, other other chatroom in the meanwhile!"

Then magical fairy princesses will rise from the mist and say a bunch of stuff that makes a whole lot of sense while I still bitch about them not saying anything about the actual story.

Then it'll start again.

>>71258

Yeah, we really *have* come full circle, I was about to make the exact post you just described.

>>71265

THEY KEEP USING THAT FONT JESUS CHRIST STOP USING THAT FONT IT IS TITLE FONT ONLY

The Gaang jr. wiki was just vandalized with DoD stuff. This pic was edited image was part of the faggotry

Stay Classy DoD.

>>71265
Wow. I just... wow.

I'm in awe at how incredibly childish they are. At least we had the decency to keep our criticism on our board (I'm, of course, being rather presumptuous with the "our").

Up until now, I was just sorta poking fun at the whole secrecy thing, but honestly still kinda looking forward to the culmination of the DoD project.

Now... Fuck those guys. Seriously, fuck those whiny little thin skinned douche-bags and their emo story right in it's deep grimdark asshole.

Haha! Oh you little rascals, which one of you was it?

Just to calrify, Thermo and Ninja are referring to my post here >>71267

I posted >>71265, deleted, edited out an extra word and reposted. :3

Well now, I'm glad to see we can all handle things maturely... I want to support this project, I really, really do. But then we simply can't seem to get any reasonable conversation going without shit blowing up.

>>71258
>only one of them is involved with GJ and he's obviously trolling
Hey, I come and and try and talk reason with these people and am involved in Gaang Jr. too. Unless I'm the obvious troll... in which case I must request a change of pronoun.

>>71274

>unfairly criticizing

>>71274

Did you already forget Dai Li's antics?

>>71277
Yes. Though to be fair, I don't really pay much attention when he starts getting like that.

>>71278
He doesn't know any better, it's just his way

>>71278

And to be fair, he did slap down Ninja when he got a bit overboard.

Gaang Jr and DoD don't need to be rivals because they're completely different in both structure and ambition. Gaang Jr isn't really a "project", and should probably be better described as a "hobby". It doesn't have its own website or anything beyond the wiki and the livejournal story archive, and essentially spontaneously grew on plus4chan as a whim. We don't mind being "small-time", just puzzled when it's used as a criticism.

DoD is a more organised and dedicated undertaking, and that's fine, in itself. Even the darker vibe could be an interesting take. It's just the whole secrecy and pro-wrestling trash-talk surrounding the project that rubs people the wrong way. It's a reinforcing cycle: the hype makes them seem arrogant, the vow of silence slices off any prospect of corroborating the hype and leaves a yawning perception gap that's filled with unkind speculation, and then when we fail to be hyped up about it they assume it's our failure instead of theirs.

I'm using "they" pretty broadly here. In any project, there's going to be a constellation of opinion and personality, and we have seen some nice people associated with the project. But SK wants to give this impression of monolithic unity, and that doesn't really help its PR any.

I just want to give the project the benefit of the doubt and assume the person who vandalised the wiki was a rogue staffer with an axe to grind. Not that it helps DoD in the slightest, but I gladly await their apology with breathless anticipation...

>>71267>>71269

How mature...

>>71269 Well if you ask me, someone on here most likely did that, to make you think It was the dod group. Just to stir up trouble.

>>71290

Looks like I'm going to have to step up for this one...

I'd really thought we were better than this. Vandalism? Really guys? That's ban worthy on the DoD forums in and of itself. If it was in fact a member of the DoD team, I'd suggest he/she stop messing around.

And as it looks like the real culprit isn't going to say anything, I guess I'll have to: I apologize, Gaang Junior, for the general lack of respect given to your wiki and occasionally on these boards. Let me assure you that this isn't the general sentiment we have for you and your site(or at least the general encouraged sentiment).

I also suggest that the rest of the DoD team stop posting on this thread unless we really do have some new content, which will hopefully be sooner rather than later. It just never ends well, regardless of intention.

Good news, btw: Jillian's finally getting a name change. So yay for that.

>>71301
You're a pretty cool guy, you know that?

Wow, a lot of stuff has been going on here... and most of what I wanted to say about the more recent postings was just said by Kratos.

>"How's the theme and the mood of the show?"
Despite the cheesy title, we do have comedy and lightness in the script. At least, that's what I think.

Also, I love the candle-stealing theory.

>I also suggest that the rest of the DoD team stop posting on this thread unless we really do have some new content, which will hopefully be sooner rather than later. It just never ends well, regardless of intention.
This might be best...

>>71298

Doubt that, the main heads behind Gaang Jr. aren't spammers, and we don't have any sort of fan legion, so "stirring up trouble" would have resulted in what you see right now: Us laughing about it and taking six minutes to revert edits made over the course of thirty-three minutes.

At the same time, even ignoring the utter lack of results, attacking ourselves as an excuse to attack somebody else isn't a valid strategy. I mean, what is this Operation Northwoods?

To think all this stuff started just by us asking "well is there anything you can tell us?" and creating tension by getting the almost offended answer, "No, why would you want to know? Just wait."

>>71301
>>71314

Full circle, indeed.

Though personally, even if we're still not getting any new info or content, I'm at least truly glad for the name-change. If I can ask, what finally pushed the measure through, and what was the reason for the resistance in the first place?

>>71301

Kratos, though I don't claim to speak on behalf of other Gaang Jr contributors, I gladly accept your apology.

That's great news on Jillian's name-change, and it gives me hope that DoD may turn out to be pretty swell. It shows that there can be no-holds-barred internal criticism and debate in the DoD group, which is vital to the success of any project (it's why I'm part of a Brick Lane writer's group).

I look forward to seeing whatever you guys come up with.

>>71301
That's pretty exciting news, Jillian getting a name change. For one, its nice to see that criticism can be taken constructively and used for the project, which is not the impression we've been getting so far. Any hints about name ideas?

Nice to hear from you two again, by the way. I wish we could have reasonable conversation on here, but it doesn't seem to possible.

>>71267
>>71269
You know what this means, right? There now must be GAY Gaang Jr. adventures!

>>71315
>If I can ask, what finally pushed the measure through, and what was the reason for the resistance in the first place?

Not actually sure what finally pushed it through. The team does a lot of skype meetings(some for business, but others just for fun), but my computer decides to pretend its dying of some terminally disease whenever I attempt to download the program. Anyway, after one such meeting, I guess it was just official that the name was getting changed.

I would guess the original reason for resistance was just that people had already settled in with the name and just wanted to keep it, regardless of how jarring it was from the rest of the show.

...YAY!

See this is good news.

Getting minor details nit-picked until they get polished to perfection usually results in a better finished product, afterall...

Also, it's sooooo mature of them to vandalize a small-time website...really.

In any case, if anyone wants a metaphor on how I see these things:

GJ: A small corner shop at a medium-traffic crosswalk, with a wide window that's got the sign painted on it, the inside looks messy and the business operators refuse to clean it up, but the good stuff ARE featured in front so if you want to browse you can rummage at the back. There's also a really quaint bistro in the sidewalk if you just want to rest without really bothering to go inside. The regulars are nice to talk to and stuff. They hate it when someone badmouths their grounds...

DoD: A Massive department store with tinted windows, security guards up front, imposing height, painted matte black walls, gaudy signs up front and the entrance is invite-only. But it's got great reputations, though. However, when asking previous customers, they are mysteriously contractually-obligated to keep a vow of silence. Only saying "it's nice, really." and "We can't tell you any details, but it's great."

TL;DR

One's quaint and quiet, though messy and hard to figure out; the other's large and imposing, though a case of "all-talk, no-walk" attitude.

>>71346 I would most likely consider DoD: A store that isn't open for business as of yet, thus no one gets in besides the employees. And since the store isnt open to the public yet for a reason, the employees naturally cant speak on whats inside. It would ruin the surprise of the grand opening.

But they are truthful when they say its awesome. Some people on the outside looking in may get mad because they want to know whats going on. They can hear the construction, feel the vibrations, so they know something going on in there.

At the end of the day, they overhear the conversations of the exiting employees on how cool it is in there, and how great the store will be once it opens. But these people demanding more info prior to the grand opening are few in number, and the store will be open soon, so no need to worry about them, they simply can wait like everyone else.

What's this shit about a 'store'?

You're actually intending to MAKE MONEY off of the bases of someone's elses intellectual property owned by a major company?

"""Aang is the new villain they speak of, but it has been changed. He was going to be an undead zombie or walking corpse thing, but they changed it to something else. He isnt dead, but rather its a cover up.

Over the years Ozai has found himself calming down in his prison cell, while aang has becoming more and more angry. This is a result of some unforseen effects of aang taking away ozais bending. Aang eventually turned evil and tried to kill everyone at the south pole. He was thought to have been killed when he fell through the ice in the huge battle, he is assumed to be dead, and his turning evil was covered up. But he comes back 5 years later."""




I guess this will teach kiefer to not trust just anyone with his precious secrets lol. Here's where I found the info, there's more on there, I just gota finish looking.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpoilerKing

>>71354
Its a metaphor... Whats a metaphor you ask? Grazing. lol.

>>71355
Spiritbending shenanigans? <:|

>>71349

Oh, and don't forget, they'll occasionally shit-talk and vandalize some other random store that doesn't really sell the same things they do, while also not really going into the specifics of what they're actually going to sell.

Haha, that's mean-spirited...

Nah, I'm kidding. Besides, I doubt anybody outside one or two people (including Kieffer, I guess) who actually have a bone to pick with Gaang Jr. but seriously, we're not just taking the employees' word, but also the construction workers and the CEOs behind the company. You gotta be careful of the rose-tint of your glasses, even Gaang Jr contributors will be more enthusiastic about their own work than a passing fan.

>>71355

Okay depending on what's true:

> It was painted on, it isnt a real tatt. Aang has come back from the dead and is evil, so he painted his arrow back on.

Dai Li had totally called zombie Aang.

Regardless of the presentation, Aang being the villain would actually be pretty...disappointing. I mean, Aang was spiritually strong enough to overcome Ozai's soul when he was 12, and from a storytelling perspective, it was meant to be a solution to his greatest problem. In general, it's risky to write about Spirits and Spiritbending since it's somewhat nebulous, it's one of the reasons I know I'd try to avoid it.

>>71359 Maybe because so little is know about spirit bending, it opens many "what if" doors, thus anything carefully explained could be believable, if done correctly.

>>71359
I dunno man, the idea of the spiritbending having a delayed effect on him sounds pretty interesting. Of course, a part of me is going, "Seriously, Keifer? Do you hate him that much?"

Still, I am cautiously optimistic.

>>71355
Dude, WTF!?

Look, I know we're not exactly BFF with Keifer around here, but this is just low.

...but if it's true, I have to admit that actually sounds like a pretty cool idea.

>>71363
Agreed.

>>71364 I thought we wanted more info. How is this bad?

>>71355

I KNEW that skelleton meant spirit world shenanigans...

And EvulAang?! So dissapointing...

>>71361

Except it undermines Aang's character development.

Who want's to bet that was 100% SK's idea?

>>71371 Well isn't it obvious?

>>71355
Leak spruung up in his project? Serves that ass just right.
Call it Karma

>>71355

>Aang died and came back to life
>so he painted his arrows back on
>he is evil and Ozai is good
>also, the previews they've been spamming actually have nothing to do with anything

That's at least four levels of wat.

>>71373 I so love karma dont you guys lol. I guess if you want to be like a major company, you gota deal with spoilers leaks lol. Fucking wana be's. lol.

I'm not sure what to make of the animation video that also leaked. Its way better than the one they show everyone that's for sure. But again its just a bunch of random clips, it still doesn't really tell us anything.

>>71375

>lol.
>lol.
>lol.
>wanna be's

Wanna bet that Aang still has control over the four elements?

>>71377 Well I would hope so, he is STILL the avatar after all.

>>71364
Disregard my last statement. I'm a bit out of it as I've been drinking most of the day.

ANyhoo....

I do kinda feel for Kratos, Venice Girl and... fuck who was the other person being pretty cool with us? Well, that guy too. But Keiffer... well sorry, but Karma and all.

Anyway, I'm still sure it'll be great. After all it is "The Best Avatar Fic On The Web". So how could it be anything but, right?

I mean, I'd even take it one level further. It's probably not going to just be The Best Avatar Fic On The Web, but probably the single best thing written... ever!

In fact, I believe things happen for a reason, and I believe the only reason our ancestors even came up with language in the first place, was so the the DoD could be told.

The Mayans foresaw this on one of their lesser know calendars.It states that the final Episode of DoD actually comes out on December 20th 2012. With the series over, humanity realizes that it will never accomplish anything greater than Avatar: The DoD, and in a unanimous decision, all the worlds leaders detonate their nuclear arsenals, mercifully killing all life on Earth so we don't have to face a future devoid of new episodes of Avatar: The DoD.

...damn, I'm outa rum. maybe I should get whiskey instead? Be right back

P.S. I guess what I'm saying is the Keiffer is the Anti-Christ.

>>71355

I agree this could be an interesting take (although considering SK's opinions on Aang, it was probably a good idea to take away the script and lighten it up somewhat). And if this was the big twist to be revealed in the first episode, I can see why you'd want to keep it under wraps.

Mind you, if it's the main crux of your story, it would make more sense to provide at least a hint of it to get speculation going, like a shadowy apparition with an arrow on its head or something. Every work intended for a wide audience needs a solid hook, and Aang going evil (even if I'd personally disagree with it) is certainly that. Speculation as to "why Aang went bad" strikes me as more productive for debate threads and conducive to positive word-of-mouth than some vague "something DARK is happening!"

Still, if the DoD obergruppenfuhrers didn't authorise this spiel, it is a bit dickish to get into someone's confidence and then leak the details. Many ideas sound harsh and silly in synopsis, and through the lens of a bitter former collaborator the picture gets needlessly distorted. Our criticism wasn't just that we didn't know anything, but that they had a culture of secrecy that could potentially stifle much-needed internal debate, and "infiltrating" the group to disgorge its plot points doesn't really aid that viewpoint any. It would just make DoD clamp down more, which is the last thing it needs.

>>71380 LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And to think, after all these years I thought it was gona be george bush to kill us all. lol. I guess keiffer is hereby officially worse.

>>71355 Well if the main plot to my fan fic sucked that bad, I wouldn't want to tell anyone anything about it either.

Wait, wait...this could be good.

Sure it's been "leaked" that Aang's the "BigBad"...but there's still ways to surprise people.

There's maybe a Kansas City Shuffle going on with this. Saying one thing while meaning another. Heck it might be a case of plot getting Hijacked By Ganondorf, as a result of Man Behind The Man angle.

...but then,with the while it might be just pure speculation, as it's been quite known for a while that SK's got a Mad On for Aang. As to how it happened? I'm assuming the Ebil got to him during the Spiritbending deal. It might have "tainted" him, or something...it's quite cheesy when in my hand and words an't help express it in any more detail.

But in any case,it looks smooth, but the...uh...other stuff....not so much...

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>>71410
What if Aang did in fact die, and did not come back. But the reincarnation cycle is now tainted because of Energybending, and so the next avatar, who is granted only 5 years old at the beginning of story, has been corrupted somehow.

The Dawning of Darkness could refer to a beginning of an era where the Avatar is someone teetering in the grey areas and unsure of their own morals, rather than a purely good force for the world.

That is an idea I could get behind, personally.

>>71412 They did say the name would make sense if you knew what all was going on, so could be.

>>71418
The name still sucks balls if you ask me.

\>>71436

Oh course the name would suck without the context.

But with this little bit of information and speculation, suddenly it doesn't hurt as bad as it should...

So to whoever leaked that info, THANK YOU, for giving us something to focus other than hating the whole project....

>>71467 Id rather get back to hating the whole project to be perfectly honest. Its a group of a bunch of rabid ass baboons, run by king rabid ass himself, who walk around with their hands in their ass acting like they are so much better than everyone else. I say fuck them for the stupid name of their show, fuck what they did to aang, fuck the stupid emo makeover they forced onto avatar, and fuck the character named JILLIAN!!!!!!!!!!!

>>71474
>fuck the character named JILLIAN!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah man, that name's totally lame.

>>71474

Eh, the other guys seemed pretty cool. I'll reserve my vitriol for Keiffer.

Keiffer, bud, just in case you wander across this. A little advice on how to act in the future when promoting oneself.

Lesson 1: Perspective.
--As in, fucking have some! "Achieving greatness"...? Dude, it's a fanfic. Not only that, it's just one in a vast sea of fanfic (as of writing this FF.net has 21,537 Avatar stories alone... It'll be 22,000 by Thursday).

Lesson 2: Don't piss in the punch bowl just because you didn't like the taste.
--I gotta be honest. I don't really know what this analogy is supposed to mean. I... I think I did when I started typing it, but my mind kinda wandered a bit, and now I'm not sure. Fuck it.

Lesson 3: A fan project should be something you enjoy, not something that you think is going to launch your career or make you famous.

-Cause I keep getting that feeling from you. What with the whole calling Gaang Jr. "small time" and the constant boasts of achieving greatness. The point of a fan project is to have fun. The people here have Gaang Jr. to play with, I'm writing my own little fanfic, I'm sure other's reading this have done the same (or possibly made AMV's or even draw fanart), but it's all for one reason. Because we enjoy doing it.

You're not going to be at work in the office one day and walk by the secretary only to here her say to another co-worker "Oh hey, did you catch the latest episode of Avatar: The Dawning of Darkness! It's amazing, they should give that guy a fanfic emmy!"

You're not going to get a call from Mike and Brian begging you for permission to use your story for a new Avatar series.

This isn't a competition, you don;t have to "defeat" the other projects, there's no prize!

If you have any other motives for doing this other than having fun, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

>>71480
That's exactly what someone who is not destined for greatness would say.

There's no evidence of such thing as destiny, of course, unless we're talking about watching Lost or some other plot device driven show.

Avatar: The Darker and Edgier.
We've a girl named Jilllian, clichés in a brand new story with totally uninteresting twists, Aang going OOC evil and trying to kill the South Pole people...

Hey, maybe Shyamalan would be interested in making a movie out of this, after all, it's the BEST Avatar fan thing EVAR!

>>71491

I guess because you missed the joke of the slowpoke post up there, I'll just spell it out.

They're ditching the name Jillian, I'm not sure what they're gonna use, but apparently, they're changing it.

This is all kinda like speculation for the movie's script: while this is all plausible, we technically have no way of knowing it's actually what they're gonna do.

>>71493
Yeah, I missed Jillian's name being retconned into hopefully something better.

I almost expected Jillian to be an accidental interdimensional traveller used as a poor excuse of an audience surrogate. Really, I hope she isn't.

We ARE listening to your complaints, guys, and when they have merit, we try to do something about them, though it helps to be civil.
- Jillian's name is being changed. We haven't agreed on what the new name will be -- it's a toss-up between 3 names right now -- but it WILL be changed, that's for certain.
- Because there are so many of us, a lot of people have made DoD websites. Not all of them are worth looking at. And because there are so many of us, there are bound to be assholes in the crowd. I don't know who wrote "The Best Avatar Fanfic" on one of the DoD Websites and I don't know who defaced the Gaang, Jr. site. If the latter is ever caught, he/she will be permanently out (not only that, we'll hand over their information to the GJ site administrators and let them handle it).
- By the time I came along to this project, the DoD team had already done some test animation and had recorded parts of the original Kiffer script. Let me say again that the test animation was a TEST, and in no way reflects how the final animation will look.
When it was still a small production, pretty much anyone who could prove a skill on YouTube (could play an instrument, could sing, could voice act, could edit a decent AMV, etc.) would be allowed in and could see the script. Now, "security" is a little tighter, especially since we've had people come in just to steal storyboard images and such. (By the way, "Spoiler" King" has no idea what he's talking about in regards to the plot, but he DID manage to steal some of our animation tests, which are still on YouTube somewhere.)

Next up, I'll talk about the plot.

- The plot is being kept secret for two main reasons:
1. parts of it aren't decided yet. We want to retcon ourselves as little as possible, so we're keeping things under wraps until we're absolutely sure about what we want.
2. Some people are going to bitch and moan about the plot, no matter what's in it. You can't please everybody. We'd like to give them an EPISODE to bitch about, rather than just a synopsis. A synopsis can make *anything* sound stupid.
- Kiffer might have wanted Aang dead for a "stupid petty reason" but the writers have taken Aang's death very seriously, it's not being treated as "this pussy died, so what, who cares, he sucked anyway". The story starts 5 years after Aang's death, and most of the characters (Katara and Kienya, in particular) are still in deep mourning and this affects who they are.
- The title, and the tattoos, will make sense as the story progresses. Besides, so many people know us as "Dawning of Darkness" now that it would hurt us, not help us, to change it.
- The Airbender skeleton you see in the test animation is NOT Aang. It's not Aang, or Zombie Aang, or Evil Aang, or one of Aang's kids. It's. Not. Aang. Aang is NOT the BigBad.
- There IS a bit of a plot synopsis through the YouTube videos of Kienya, Luten, and Yasora. "Hi. I'm Kienya. I'm 13 years old, and I live at the South Pole. Gran-Gran has agreed to let her Waterbending student, Jillian, escort us to the Fire Nation this year. It's the first time we've been on our own so far away from home. I'm so excited I can hardly stand still!"
- "How's the world in this show?" I'll quote Luten's YouTube video: "My favorite time of year is when ambassadors from all over the world come to see Grandfather. That's when I get to see all my friends from the Earth Kingdom and Water Tribes." Since we know his friends are the other Gaang grandchildren, who do you think those ambassadors might be? The first episode takes place as Kienya and Yasora travel to the Fire Nation for the annual Ambassador's Ball. Jillian, a waterbending student of Katara's, is their escort and guard. This is the first time that Katara has allowed them to travel on their own this far.
- We are poring over source material, canon fodder (the Nick site and comics, etc.) and the Avatar Wiki to make sure that we stay true to the original show -- we may miss something, but we are trying REALLY HARD to stay faithful to what Mike and Bryan were trying to do with the Avatar universe. In that vein, the episodes have humor, silliness, in-jokes that die-hard Avatar fans will get, and lots of fun. I, for one, have had the time of my life working on it, and I hope you enjoy the end result just as much.

I guess we're back in the phase of "stuff that's good to hear." We'll just have to see how it goes from there.

(By the by, you might wanna delete the thread you made by accident. Just delete the post and re-embed the video, as long as your auto-password isn't different and you're using something like Firefox or Safari, you should be able to.)

One last thing.

About me being in the entertainment industry... go ahead and believe whatever you like, I can't "prove" myself to you without making myself vulnerable to being found (and possibly fired). But many in the DoD crew know *exactly* who I am and where I am; they've seen parts of my previous TV work that I've posted on the DoD private forums, they've heard me give a few performances on Skype, and a few have even helped me with some commercial work. I'm fairly confident they won't rat me out to my current employer. So please know that I'm not "hiding" from *everyone*, just those I don't really know.

>>71530
>>71533
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>>71530>>71533
Hmmm.... interesting....

>>71535
You aren't worried about another leak involving said information this time?

>>71554

"another" leak....?

Ah. No. There's only a few who know solid details about me and the other wacko pros who are on the DoD boards.

There's one guy, he's been in some BIG movies and TV shows and nobody's figured out who he is yet. They just see him as the goofy guy who has decent ideas. He's loving this.

>>71567
>...he's been in some BIG movies...

Whoa! You guys got Tom Hanks!?

>>71535
Sooo, how much do you want to bet that you're going to be shut down when Nick finds out?

>>71591
Eh...Fifty-fifty

If they care about avatar, then they'd have the creators churning out the Ava animated movie about Zuko traveling to find Ursa(because seriously I don't see a whole season getting dedicated to post AtLA world.

But anyhoo...

http://serialkiffer.webs.com/characterbios.htm

Those with a clever eye will notice something different on this page.

Hrm, Tikomi? Better, even if it's not really a Water Tribe sounding name. Still, I do give kudos to the team for changing an established name that they may have grown attached to.

Though, small criticism? I think some of those outfits look pretty t-shirty, and the Bender-Formerly-Known-as-Jillian is wearing what seems to be a corset. Oh well.

>>71593
I think Mike and Brian would actually be thrilled about the project, as they really seem to be the type that truly enjoy and respect the fans input and creativity. Unfortunately, they don't own the Avatar title, and I can easily see Nickelodeon being dickish about other people "infringing" on their copyright.

Hopefully, that doesn't happen. Despite the somewhat... tumultuous relationship plus 4chan /a/ has had with the DoD project, I would really like to sse this thing come to fruition.

>>71613
It is 50 years later, so styles are bound to change, so I can honestly say that that doesn't really bother me all that much.

Just a few basic question, what are you guys considering you "main" site? That DA account or the one linked above with the character profiles? And, do you have an Idea of when the first episode will be out?

I say we turn them in, to viacom.

Why do I have that feeling that it's so...

"hipster"?

Eugh...

Too late, already writing viacom an angry letter.

>Though, small criticism? I think some of those outfits look pretty t-shirty, and the Bender-Formerly-Known-as-Jillian is wearing what seems to be a corset. Oh well.
Yes, most of those designs have been changed since then (those were the original drawings done by the first artist to join DoD).
Last time I checked, both Kienya's and Tikomi's pictures in the Character Bio's Page have been updated with more recent designs.

>...what are you guys considering you "main" site?
It's the one with the character bio's. The dA we pretty much use only to update art.

>>71612

Much better. Still not much info, but characters maketh the story, so it might just be possible to start speculating with these teensy teensy scraps.

>>71629
>>71637

Oh hush, you. If DoD falls flat on its face, I'd much rather it be down to its own faults and failings (leaving something that can be learnt and built upon) than down to us being dicks. It's not like our legal position is much sturdier.

>>71567

Not to disparage further, but...

I'm still flabbergasted that of the millions of fanfics out there covering an endless multitudes of various shows, THIS gets so much alleged professional support.

I mean, if true, I'm sure it will be quite good for a fanfic. Pirates of the Caribbean was a retarded concept for a film that turned out well. IMO, DoD is an equally retarded ATLA concept that could potentially be saved by its execution.

But even still, every time I see this thread, I ask myself...WTF?

I'd like to turn that question now to Sweetalker.

WTF?