1) The kids are just dumb teenagers who don't understand their parents.

2) The clone baby thing shows that the kids were always part of the game. They had no choice but to play the game, and they are all trapped by predetermined events.

>I'm expecting some NGE-tier stuff myself.
You mean shit tier

>>51708
More like what-the-fuck-is-this-shit tier.

>>I usually find Karkat, Terezi and Dave the most entertaining.

I agree with that.

>>51709
Hey, just because a bunch of layabouts who aren't as smart as you didn't pick up on all the cliched and derivative references to the Dead Sea scrolls (or any of the other semiotics 101 literature that even the least inspired seminary student should be intimately familiar with) doesn't mean you have to insult them like an enormous cock. That's just rude, Reverend Anonymous.

If I see anyone else badmouthing Evangelion in this thread, I'll start lecturing you about monads. You have been warned.

>>51736
That particular imagery in Evangelion wasn't an attempt at being DEEP or anything, it really was just wierd for the sake of wierd for a japanese audiance.
The series now is just a way for Gainax to milk everything they can out of the Otaku, look forward to Remake of Reimagining of Rebuild of Evangelion when you're old and grey.

>If I see anyone else badmouthing Evangelion in this thread, I'll start lecturing you about monads. You have been warned.
Can't tell if serious.

I think everyone who dies will come back at the final battle in God Tier. IDKH (i don't know how)

Earth is restored and trolls become human. IDKH

Spades Slick is Jack Noir is Lord English is Spades Slick. IDKH

Typheus is Grandpa, all kids are part-Denizen. IDKH

>>51740
Why do people think there will be a final battle? Jack is about to lose his power source, defeating him after that won't take much.

>>51741
It's also unlikely jack himself will be the endgame

>>51741
There will be a final boss battle because SBURB is a video game.

And I really, really hope that LE dies shortly after his reveal and that Jack gains even more broken powers in the process.

>how it will all end
The last act/epilogue is about the universe created by the kids' session and will be live action. The whole thing is a reference to the SBaHJ Halloween Special (Are you next?)

It will end when Hussie wakes up


and it was all a dream


and everyone will be pissed.

>>51747
And then it's revealed that we were watching from a real life dream bubble the entire time. Mobius Double Reacharound.

>>51747
I thought it was all supposed to be imagined by autistic John looking at a snowglobe?

>>51754
Like an autistic John would be able to understand the subtlety of troll romances, much less craft an entire subplot about them in his head.

>>51770
I say thee Nay, infact only someone seriously autistic would devise such a system for romance.

Has Hussie explained the outlandish passive-aggressive relationship the kids have with their guardians? All the answers are found within THE LIPS. If you dare explore them.

Clone babies, what the fuck was up with that? What was the relevance? Rose's clone was the mother of Roxy, which was the combination of Bro Strider and Mom Lalonde's DNAs. Dave's clone was Dirk's bro, which was the combination of Bro Strider and Mom Lalonde's DNAs. Figure it out for John, Jade, Jake and Jane.

What are some popular fan theories on how it will all end? I'm expecting some NGE-tier stuff myself. Dave, John, Jade, and Rose have babies. See Karkat's shipping grid for details.

Your favourite characters? I usually find Karkat, Terezi and Dave the most entertaining. Mine is Terezi and Nepeta! And Jaxy Lalish.

Any other nonsense I should know about? ... Pendleton Ward knows Andrew Hussie.

What is the purpose of Lord English? I have yet to figure it out. I know that he is bad for whatever universe he shows up in, but so far he has done nothing. The Handmaiden was his servant and so is The troll queen, and they seem to do horrible things that need to be done.

>>65569
About clones:
Jake, Jane, Roxy and Dirk (or, rather, their B1 incarnations as Nanna, Mom, Bro and Hass) were paradox-cloned directly from their future selves. Then they were ectobiologically alchemized together to produce:
Jake + Jane = Jade and John
Roxy + Dirk = Rose and Dave
These eight babies were then sent into the past of B1 (which Skaia later retconned to being the past of B2 instead).
The "point" of all this is that Sburb is truly a self-creating phenomenon. Everything to do with the game is created by the game - the code, even the players. It's a frog that bites its own tail.

>>65584
His summoning requires that history goes a particular way. As such, his short-term goal is simply to ensure that history went that way; hence the minions from across space and time doing stuff at his behest. He seems bad for mainly two reasons:
1) The universe has a tendency to end earlier when it's ending to summon him; Snowman died way before A2 would have succumbed to heat death. Anyone who was living at that time, anywhere in the universe? Bang.
2) He gives zero fucks about anyone other than himself, which means that he'll commit or order atrocities just to be sure the loop closes.

I'm not sure he has long-term evil goals, though. He's found the secret of immortality, and controls any timeline he might inhabit. He won, long before this story began. Maybe he's content with living large as an omnipotent mob boss, once he's done the legwork to make sure he exists.

I'll be willing to break my routine if you have any additional observations, or questions Mr. Maxwell.

Favorite characters? Aradiabot/dead, terezi, karkat, uu, and equius before horrorstuck.

Still hoping Bec Noir is somehow mistaken as a giant, winged Scotty dog.

I was wondering if this sounded like a void player to you; though I am not sure about their class and world. But on it Nyx has done something sinister; it has stolen everything on the planet. Literally everything not just physical things like trees and junk but it stole abstract things like colors and sounds; turning it into a barren wasteland devoid of all life aside from the consorts. It gathered up all these abstract things and built like, giant orbs in the sky to hold everything. It regards these as its own personal toys and plays with them all the time when not terrorizing the populace.

So when the Hero comes and does the void-y thing they’re doing odd things with those toys? Like he’s un-doing the void-y thing, returning life and color and sound to the world. Like a petulant manchild Nyx can’t stand the idea of something else playing with its property and hires the agents on derse to kill the Hero. I just don’t think it sounds like it would fit a Void Player, or anything really.


Another idea I had was instead that Nyx kept the world in total darkness; keeping the true nature of the world secret and spread a bunch of lies and secrets and stuff. The Hero, who starts to unravel the lies and uncover the secrets learns like… Odd abilities with each secret he brings to light, every lie uncovered grants him a different move and more attacks and what not.

What does it mean if trolls are in a <> relationship and.... How did Kanaya <> Vriska and Eridan <> Feferi end so badly?

>>65829
Moirallegiance basically means that one troll keeps their friend in line, either because they might end up getting themselves in trouble or because they are a threat towards others. In some cases, both individuals gain something from this exchange (i.e. Equius and Nepeta), while in other cases only one of them needs to be restrained or pacified (Feferi and Eridan, Gamzee and Karkat). It's totally not the same thing as being best friends, as some people might angrily shout at you if you ever were to propose that.

Kanaya <> Vriska failed because Kanaya felt that she wanted to upgrade their relationship to a <3. Then Vriska tried to seduce Tavros wearing a dress she specifically had asked Kanaya to sew for her. The relationship naturally died, leaving Kanaya sad and bitter and Vriska clueless as to what might have caused it.
Eridan <> Feferi failed because not only did Eridan have flushed feelings for Feferi (or really, any being on the planet who possibly could have agreed) which he decided to act on, but also because Feferi was tired of Eridan's obsession with wanting to destroy all land dwellers and she felt that always looking after him was too draining. She terminated the relationship before they started playing, since she felt that he no longer was any threat towards their race. (oh irony)

Also, does Eridan <> Kanaya or Karkat? Or at least can it be inferred that he had at one point non-killy feelings for them?

>>65830
> while in other cases only one of them needs to be restrained or pacified (Feferi and Eridan, Gamzee and Karkat)

No, moirallegiance is reciprocal. Of all the ones we have seen in action, the only healthy one--Equius and Nepeta--was one where both parties got something out of it. All give and no take wears makes you Eridan and Feferi.

>>65831
It was Eridan ♣ Kanaya. She auspisticed his relationship with Vriska but didn't want to go the whole way because she liked Vriska in a more crimsony fashion. He also called her an ashen village bicycle, probably because she was simultaneously playing Tavros' relationship with Vriska as well.

Eridan ♦ Karkat is plausible I guess but it didn't really happen. He tried to get Karkat to go on some sort of date with him during the game but Karkat refused/didn't go to Eridan's land because LOAAS was a hellhole.

Eridan did say that if flipped his shit and went off the deep end and started killing people that he wouldn't kill kanaya, though that wasn't what happened. And he did spend some time with her, she made him that wand
so... maybe?

>>65832
>No, moirallegiance is reciprocal. Of all the ones we have seen in action, the only healthy one--Equius and Nepeta--was one where both parties got something out of it. All give and no take wears makes you Eridan and Feferi.

My point was that some are, shall we say, more in *need* of a moirail than others. Feferi and Kanaya would probably have been just as happy without their respective 'rails, and not only because they were unhealthy relationships, but because they didn't really have the need for one in the first place. I just suck at wording.

>>65834
lmao kanaya not needing someone to hold her back and tell her to calm the fuck down

did you miss the part where she sawed tavros in half while he was asleep, partially for revenge because vriska liked him instead of her? or that time where she went on a rampage, kicked gamzee off a cliff for no reason other than he was in her way, punched vriska in the face so hard she went flying, and then bisected eridan? hell the fact that she spent most of her time being alone, angry and broody for the entire game because vriska accidentally broke her heart. also that she was still fucking mad at vriska a month later for not being a mind reader.

whenever people say she is a thoroughly nice and demure character i wonder if we are reading the same comic, she is spiteful as hell and just tries to mask it behind "helpfulness"

>>65833
There's also the option of just being friends, no troll romance involved. Like Kanaya and Karkat.

Not that that was what happened with the whole Eridan situation, but I'm just sayin'. I don't think they had a real relationship or that they were close, but I could imagine Kanaya (being lesbian (thus negating any amorous advances), really nice and overall helpful) would be one of few people willing to put up with him. Then her helpfulness and idealism (giving a powerful magic wand to an angry and frustrated trigger-happy kid, really?) came back to blast her in the guts, which prompted a change both in state of aliveness and personality. ...so what did this have to do with anything again

>>65835
...are you trolling?

Okay, let's first take a look at her screen name. grimAuxilitatrix. The grim part is obvious, auxiliatrix is latin for "helpful woman/lady". So she's either a helpful girl who's grim, or a girl who is helpful by being grim. You interpret that your way, I'll choose mine.

Anyway. Not only was Tavros asleep when Kanaya sawed his legs off, she was actually asked to do it by Equius so that Tavros could gain new legs (Equius, by the way, was the one acting creepy during the whole thing. This is not the gleeful face of a girl getting her revenge on a rival in love: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004020). Not to mention that she had done a similar thing before, albeit to her dead lusus. From the very beginning she's been shown to have a perhaps-not-normal interest in blood and gore (in part due to being a latent rainbow drinker), but it wasn't until she actually began glowing that she became bloodthirsty.

Then, like I said just minutes ago,
>her helpfulness and idealism [...] came back to blast her in the guts
when Eridan backstabbed her, destroying the Matriorb (her quest and ultimate treasure) and killing her. She came back as a rainbow drinker, pissed as hell, and quickly disposed of Gamzee and Vriska before getting her revenge on Eridan, who was beyond redemption by then. But even if it probably was purely out of anger, it's still in line with her tag; she did something grim which proved helpful. By sending Gamzee off the cliff and clocking Vriska, she broke up a fight which in all likelihood would have ended with at least two of them dead.

It wasn't until after this point that she became aggressive, participating in battles and what not. And that change was equal parts vampire transformation and character development, might I add. You know, symbolism. Rather than hiding her frustration behind a facade of niceness or solely relying on words to be helpful, she's now actually willing to act on it.
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005434
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006258
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006884

She's never been thoroughly nice or demure, but it isn't until lately that she's been willing to show that side of her personality. But she's certainly not the monster you're making her out to be.

>>65835
>>65837
inb4 "no hussie said she sawed tavros in half out of spite"
He said he liked to think that. An author's headcanon is not the same thing as actual canon. Even authors have ideas they think are funny that they don't actually implement.

>>65838
Not to mention that if even half the shit Hussie says is canon actually is,

I don't even know what would happen if all that stuff is actually true. D:

>>65837
you don't need to be a monster in order to need somebody to hold you back and tell you you're being an idiot. equius isn't a monster either but damn did he ever need nepeta.

it wasn't selfless or helpful of her to give eridan the wand that killed her and feferi. she did it as a "joke" (emulating rose) and to get him off her back because he was whining about shit to her. this isn't even speculation this is a thing she actually said to rose in a pesterlog, check it. also no, she was the one with the idea to give tavros the robolegs. equius helped but it wasn't his idea and he wouldn't have done it if she hadn't said yes.

she also laid into her underlings with that chainsaw, which is something we also saw in a flash. she's unnecessarily rude to vriska for pretty much no reason and carried her anger towards her pent up until the veil. she's not even nice to vriska to start with because she is just a nice person, she's doing it because she wants something. she is really kind of immature and needs a lot of guidance. that also makes her an interesting character and it's why i like her. i'm not actually trashing your waifu anon (!!).

i don't know where you get the idea that the tags really matter or that it's descriptive of her personality and motivations.

>>65838
also everything hussie ever said on his formspring was

1) blatant lies
2) ideas in development (many of which were significantly changed or eventually thrown out)
3) things he just liked to think but aren't really canon
4) stuff about chicken sandwiches

anything you remember and hold dear from there is bullshit now

that's one of the reasons why he deleted it

>>65842
Oh, she's not selfless, perfect or a saint (even if Hussie has been toying a bit with the concept). Like I said, she uses her helpfulness as a way to shift the focus onto whoever she is talking to, so that she won't have to talk about *her* feelings and problems.

I'll admit I was at least partially wrong about the wand situation. Still not letting go of my conviction that she only became aggressive after dying.

Can't find anything about her being the one to propose the robolegs, link?

>she also laid into her underlings with that chainsaw
Be fair. The only person who didn't was Tavros. Because he mind controlled them into doing his bidding instead.

>she's unnecessarily rude to vriska for pretty much no reason
Well, Vriska hurt her a lot, even if she wasn't aware of it. Not an excuse, just an explanation. Kanaya being rude towards her is actually the first time she isn't trying to hide how she feels, even if Vriska is completely oblivious as to what's wrong. That doesn't mean she's angry at Tavros or wants to get revenge on him, however. It wasn't exactly as if he stole Vriska away from her.

>i'm not actually trashing your waifu anon (!!).
Your comment just came off as somewhat snide and condescending, and when you present an opinion which differs quite a lot from the norm my chan senses screamed TROLL, but I wasn't 100% convinced and decided to reply instead of ignoring it. Uh. So, no offence. I just overreacted.

>>65844
Also I think there's supposed to be a "so i guess im sorry dood" somewhere at the bottom there.

Equius and Darkleer were capable of doing the voiod-y thing even before playing sgrub, and The Ψiioniic was kept alive by The Imperial Condesce who is immortal (in that she doesn't age?).
Is it like this with the kids as well?

>>65885
Do you mean the Kids or their Guardians?
Either way, from what we've seen that didn't really happen in the B1, but it did occur both in A2 and B2, so it's probably a post-Scratch preparation thing.

In the case of the alpha Kids, their game technically started 2½ years ago, but Roxy does the voidy thing every now and then without realizing it, Jane's dreamself can't be killed, Dirk's "soul" is already split up (mind!Dirk being the latest addition) and... yeah, whatever Jake is doing. Oh, and B2 Rose/Mom had Seer powers and probably majjyyks.

The B1 Kids and their Guardians didn't have any powers before they started playing, however.

Which is the offensive class, the Slyph or the Witch? I can't seem to recall, but Kanaya did say that Jades was more magical or something.

>>65917
As far as we know, Kanaya's comment could have been utter nonsense

>>65917
I'd say the Witch. Aranea is a sylph, and so far she's show healing powers (offering to restore Terezi's sight) and helping other people to 'see' things for what they really are.

There's also that theory about how B1 (Kids' session) + B2 (Teens' session) = a whole session, because the Kids have three active classes (Heir, Knight, Witch) and one passive (Seer) while Teens have three passive (Maid, Rogue, Page) and one offensive (Prince).

Either way, we don't really know anything for certain about Witches, but if Sylph is the active/offensive class Witches must be the biggest pushovers ever.

>>65933
at this point I'm construing sylphs as having nothing to do with witches, and being more like... outward-facing seers.

seers have personal understanding of their aspect, as per an introverted (thief-type) class
whereas sylphs facilitate understanding, as per an extroverted (rogue-type) class

>>65935
Nah.
>AG: Pardon the esoteric tangent. These are my instincts as a Hero of Light kicking in. It's hard for us to resist prattling on a8out matters like this.
>AG: Well, this could either 8e my experience as an ancient ghost talking, or the perspective I am naturally given to as a Light player,
I'd say most of Aranea's powers stem from being a Light player, not being a Sylph. She attributes her tendency to babble and her unique perspective to being a Hero of Light, not to being a Sylph. She also talks a lot about healing through "seeing" and "looking at things honestly", and is even able to literally heal Terezi's eyesight.

I'd say that a Sylph is a healer, therapist or helper of sorts, and like UU said:
UU: the aspect is channeled more specifically by the assets of ones class.
Since Light is connected not only to fortune and luck, but also to vision (Rose, B2-Mom, Vriska, Mindfang and Aranea all have an eye-based power), understanding and knowledge (being the opposite of Void and all).

So a Sylph of Light would be someone who helps others to heal by teaching them how to see and understand.

I want to pair the Sylph with the Witch. The problem with both is that half of the players belonging to each class are Heroes of Space, and we don't know shit about Space except that they breed frogs, and that they have a tendency to ascend, not necessarily to the God tiers, but to their personal ideal form, or something. Kanaya became a rainbow drinker (which she wished for) and Jade became a furry (which she wished for). They both also have important roles in creation outside of the frogs, Kanaya being more or less destined to repopulate their race and Jade being the one to bring their half of the eight-player session. But as far as we know, neither Kanaya nor Jade have ever used Sylph or Witch powers.

Apart from those two, we've also got Feferi. Her only shown Life power was to heal someone. Pretty straight-forward, doesn't tell us anything at all.

In the end, we've only got some tiny clues to go on, but I'm willing to trust that Kanaya was the Voice of Hussie in that log. Either way, Sylphs and Seers are probably not related.

>>65938
>The problem with both is that half of the players belonging to each class are Heroes of Space, and we don't know shit about Space except that they breed frogs, and that they have a tendency to ascend, not necessarily to the God tiers, but to their personal ideal form, or something. Kanaya became a rainbow drinker (which she wished for) and Jade became a furry (which she wished for).
Actually... This makes sense if you keep "Space = frogs" in mind. Frogs are a symbol of maturation and metamorphosis (tadpoles) which is probably why Andrew made them represent universes to begin with. So if you're a Space player, transforming into a creature you idolize is not just likely.... It's probably part of your quest.

(Crack theory: UU idolizes uu and their personalities will unite as part of her Space quest.)

>>65955
Alright, but how exactly does a Witch of Space work? A Sylph? A Prince, a Seer? It still doesn't tell us anything about the powers of the aspect itself, since both Kanaya (Sylph, passive class) and Jade (Witch, probably active class) were the only ones subject to transformation.

If the space hero = becoming their idealised form is true I wonder what UU's is (other than the above theory).

>>65957
Maybe she becomes all the other players.