YES

I'll be honest, when I posted that link I was expecting a bit more freaking out than has happened thus far.

>>217189

Nobody actually looks at this thread anymore

>>217190

Yeah the constant, quite frankly awful derails we tended to get the past few months chased people off. I only check it every few days now.

Also I think there's the fact there's just not a lot of interest in the Mega Man comic right now to consider.

>>217183
>Sonic Crossover finally ends, letting Rock have his book back
>Announcement telling me that the characters I like will have less pages per issue to make room for characters I always thought were as much fun as a puppy's funeral on a rainy day

Welp. It'll bring up sales, I guess.

>>217195

From the sounds of it from how much they're hyping up this summer X series story I wouldn't be surprised if Classic Mega Man gets moved to the backups after a few issues of this.

We'll never get Mega Man 3.

>>217196
The way it sounds to me, the X backup stories are giving some setup to the original X, at which point they'll gauge interest and then either spin X into its own book or let it sleep for a bit.

I don't think they intend to replace the Mega Man stories, especially because if they ever want to return to those it will lead to a lot of confusion. Doing the X introduction as backup stories does three things:
1) Stretches out the backstory while they spin up production for the regular book
2) Gets those fans who are only interested in the Mega Man games (and not X) a free look at what's to come in the X book, perhaps making them interested in it rather than dismissing it outright
3) Gets those whose were introduced to Mega Man through the comic something to make them interested in X

It's akin to how Archie would spin up interest in the mini series (Tails, Sally, Knuckles) back when the comic was first really going by putting some lead-in backup stories in the regular book.

>>217197

Even if they don't intend to replace the book that'd be what happened X series would canabalize the classic books sales too much, like what happened during the SNES-PSX era.

Not to mention I doubt they'd be hyping up this big summer story the two first X backups were leading into and still have them be backups.

Classic Archie Mega Man's days are numbered at this point one way or the other.

>>217198
>"Classic Archie Mega Man's days are numbered at this point one way or the other."

Uh, no. The only way that'd happen because of X is if they completely replace the main book with X, or if an X series is released and ends up far more popular than normal MM. Take a look at main Sonic and Universe. They didn't eat up each other's readership to the point of either being cancelled.

Hell, from what we've heard, Sonic X (ohoho) was still selling pretty decently by Issue 40 despite the cartoon being over, and was ended so Archie could ride its popularity into Universe before it ended.

So yeah, basically, there's no reason to think that X stories showing up means classic is definitely doomed.

>>217198
Mmm... no, I don't think so.

Fuck yes X comic. I wonder if we will get a green biker dude issue?

>>217201
He'll die in his second panel.

>>217203
Hopefully only after a sick wheelie on his hovercycle.

>>217199
>Hell, from what we've heard, Sonic X (ohoho) was still selling pretty decently by Issue 40 despite the cartoon being over, and was ended so Archie could ride its popularity into Universe before it ended.

Yeah about that, there's no chance Sonic Universe is going to be dumped to make a comic adaption of Sonic Boom right? That would suck. Universe is so fucking good for the main comic.

>The back-ups serve to set the stage for a story we've got slated for Spring/Summer 2014

So...X/Classic crossover?

>>217192
>There's not a lot of interest
Did you check /co/ proper? They had a day-long thread entirely talking about X. Not the comic itself. Not pacing or art complaints. Not shit about how long the series needs to be or this or that. Just pure, mostly happy discussion about excitement, speculation, and just the X series in general.

If this tells you anything, it's that people are way more optimistic and pumped than they were about Classic.

>>217199
>if an X series is released and ends up far more popular than normal MM
If we're being completely honest with ourselves here...this is probably exactly what would happen if they went straight into adding an X spin off book instead of slowly building to one. X is way, WAY more popular than Classic. There are people who have been buying the Classic book in hopes of the sales being good enough to launch an X book. Seriously.

>Take a look at main Sonic and Universe. They didn't eat up each other's readership to the point of either being cancelled.
That would be because they're co-dependent.
Universe is basically a segregated back-up story comic series. It's entirely composed of stories that exist in tandem with the main book and would normally be back-ups. It's a way to double ship Sonic without calling it double shipping while keeping the pace up.

Classic and X can exist in complete segregation, and it's entirely possible for Classic to flounder and die while X goes strong. Meanwhile, it's nearly impossible for Universe to die because it's, quite literally, just a second issue of Sonic each month.

X showing up doesn't mean Classic is going to die, but Archie has to be careful how they do this to keep sales on both books up.

>>217214
Well to be fair, Universe tends to be miles better than the Sonic strip itself. If its formula of 4 issue independent stories work more than the train wreck that is StH's sprawling epics, then it'll at least change StH to be more like SU, if anything.

>>217215
Except the four issue format doesn't work as well for the main comic and its' been fucking over Megaman.

>>217183
Any word on what "Into the Shadows" will be about?

>>217216
I wasn't talking about Mega Man, I was talking about Sonic.

>>217219
Which is why I said
>Except the four issue format doesn't work as well for the main comic
"And" functions as this thing called a conjunction.

It means that, in addition to not working with the main comic, four issue arcs have fucked over Megaman as well. These are two statements that do not contradict each other. The point here is that, in the two examples mentioned, four issue arcs don't work very well.

I hope you don't have trouble understanding that bringing a second example of a formula not working into the argument does not invalidate it. Or, in simpler words, "But I wasn't talking about Mega Man" isn't a counterargument.

>>217248
didn't read that

The only time we had a four issue arc recently was Endangered species, and that was bad for reasons unrelated to the format

>>217199

>Take a look at main Sonic and Universe. They didn't eat up each other's readership to the point of either being cancelled.

Archie Sonic was around for over a decade before Universe was started and always sold fairly well (minus the tail end of the Dark Ages).

Archie Mega Man has been around for less than three years and has been struggling already.

Also what >>217214 said.

>>217214
>"If we're being completely honest with ourselves here...this is probably exactly what would happen if they went straight into adding an X spin off book instead of slowly building to one."

Good thing that's not what they're doing, then.

>>217195
Mega Man X always seemed pretty upbeat to me.

>>217257
Mega Man X, certainly, but the umpteenth sequels weren't Saturday morning cartoon shenanigans, it was a Sisyphean nightmare for the protagonist, who was a pacifist, but doomed to murder everyone he ever cares for in the name of his duty to the humans.

>>217266
It's no wonder he got emo in X7 and the Zero series.

I wonder if Archie is planning anything to go along with Sonic Boom. I could see an SU arc ("another time, another place") being devoted to the show, depending on how much it deviates from game canon.

>>217266
Yeah. I mean, if people thought that the first issue for Curse of Ra Moon was "dark", they won't be ready for what MMX will bring. Makes me wonder if Ian will try to lighten the story up (either from his own choice or by the editors').

>>217267
> the Zero series.
Speaking of, if an X book does well and doesn't cannibalize the main MM book, that would make it likely we could see some mini series for Zero/ZX or Battle Network.

>>217271
Be interesting to see how they'd explain the shift in aesthetics, since apparently X and Zero was the same as they always were, just the art style changed between series. Personally I already have my own theory, which i like to think is borne out by X8's art shift & the way the ZX series went (basically: Reploids gradually took on more humanlike shapes and proportions and X and Zero were remodelled to match the trend, maybe at around the same point Zero's body was used to make the Mother Elf.) Of course Command mission slightly screws around with this, but you could say X & Zero got remodeled after getting back from Giga City which as an all-Reploid society would probably resist more humanlike aesthetics in favour of asserting their differences).

>>217272
Aesthetically, X8 isn't very different XCM or the older games. And as far as functionality(which is more important) there is no differences at all. They wouldn't even have to change X and Zero at all if and when they get past X7. New-Gen reploids, like Axl and Lumine, can have the slenderer look.

It's been establish that gap of time between the "end of the X series" and the Elf War is much larger than most think.

>>217272
Personally, I chalked it up to the fact that X seems to self upgrade over the course of the series, getting permanent improvements here and there. The streamlining and redesigning of the armor is just his body's way of keeping at cutting edge. Zero, being built straight from X's blueprints probably has the same systems.

>>217279
>Zero, being built straight from X's blueprints
Citation needed

>>217272

Giga City wasn't an all-Reploid society; the Rebellion (or was it the Resistance? I always get those two mixed up... who thought that was a good idea, anyway? "The bad guys," let's say) basically rounded up all the humans and kicked them off the island before the Hunters got there, as I recall.

As for going from X series to Zero series, it's clearly more than an art style change, as Inti put it-- there are definite design changes as well, and heavy ones at that. But I think they did put in an "advancement of technology" line in there as an out for that, so...

I can see a definite evolution of X from his original form to X8 to Command Mission to Zero series, though as noted, X8 wasn't as heavy in that regard-- not enough to warrant anything special for CM Zero or Axl, anyway.

If memory serves, MMZ takes place "100 years after the X series," which BEGAN in 21XX, but was into 22XX by the time CM rolled around. As to when the X series itself stops, I don't think anything has really been said; they could keep it going on indefinitely if they wanted. I don't think anything after ever received a specific (as specific as MM gets, anyway) year.

Why Sonic/Magaman pro artists are more accesible and friendly than the caped genre ones?

<-- 5 hours stream

>>217296
I imagine it's part fan base size and part fan base inanity. Sonic fans can blow the autism spectrum out of the water, but when not arguing amongst themselves can be real nice people. The Sonic/MM books also sell less than the caped comics (I wouldn't be surprised if a single caped book outsells the Sonic/MM books combined), so the amount of fans who want said interaction won't be overwhelming (or at least as much.)

Also, absolutely love that.

>>217297
Sonic typically sells between 45000 - 55000, quite comfortably putting it above a lot of cape comics.

>>217266
I still don't see what your problem is. You act like Mega Man MUST be happy fun time cartoon shenanigans.

>>217300
That's still less than some of the big name cape comics such as Superman and Batman.

>>217304

Yeah, but...there's not much you can do about that. It's goddamn Superman and Batman.

>>217300
Not per month. It sells around 10,000.

>>217285
>Giga City wasn't an all-Reploid society; the Rebellion (or was it the Resistance? I always get those two mixed up... who thought that was a good idea, anyway? "The bad guys," let's say) basically rounded up all the humans and kicked them off the island before the Hunters got there, as I recall.

Yup, Epsilon kicked them out at the start of his Rebellion.

>>217296
No offense to the guy who took over for the rest of Ra Moon....but I kind of want Ryan back.

>>217309
In comic shops.
According to annual sales data, Archie reports Sonic does about 40K+ per month annually. Only about 10/11K is comic shop sales, the bulk comes from news stands, grocers, regular book stores, and subscriptions.

If you actually look one of the issues with all that legalese stated, it specifically breaks down where the sales come from on average.

>>217311
The rest? He's doing the entire arc

Ryan only did the story that happened before the arc.

>>217316

Indeed.

I'd wage the reason he didn't notice a different artist last issue is there were no fight scenes since that's what people who have problems with the new guys art are complaining about.

>>217317
No, I know he did the last one. Ryan did the story where the wave went off.

So supposed updated designs for the cartoon coming next year.

>>217321
Can someone re-post the old promo/designs of this for comparison?

So Antoine got a new redesign to match the ugly variant of #255.

Gold hair and orange skin? He now looks like a character from Jersey Shore had a baby with Crash Bandicoot.

>>217327
I liked his old nose...

>>217328
Because it looked way better. That nose is restricted to hedgehogs and echidnas for a reason.

>>217329
Should have been a Nack nose.

>>217328
>>217329
Annnnnd you guys are full of shit because that's what his old nose looked like anyway. It stuck out from the end of the muzzle instead of being flat to it.

>>217340
I stand by what I said. I think they should have taken the opportunity to give him a Nack nose.

Of course, people would still be confused about what the fuck he's supposed to be, but that doesn't really matter.

>>217343
That would be really ugly IMO.

I WAN’T TO GET OFF SHORTPACKED’S WILD RIDE!

>>217343
He's basically got a Nack nose in his first redesign, except with a little fur stripe down his nose like Sally.

I agree it looks better on him than Sonic's nose.

Though I'm more disappointed that now he's losing both his eyebrows and the lighter colored fur around his eyes. Now it looks like he has Tail's eyes.

... I find it kinda funny that the cartoon is currently redesigning all the SEGA characters to look different from each other, while the Archie comic is making all the non-SEGA characters look more like recolors.

>>217346
Dave shouldn't talk shit about anyone's designs.

I can only hope a Mega Man X comic features more of the Maverick Hunters.

>>217346
Its called a Whoopee Cap or similar spelling. One of my last TF2 drops before idling was rendered useless. Really hope that opinion of Jug is just a gag and not an actual held belief.

>>217350
It might be a held belief. Look at what the rest of the comic became

>>217350
If you look it up, that's actually what his hat is.
That's the backstory behind it. He cut up his fedora.

But that's neither here nor there.

>>217354
right that is how you make one flip it inside out and then cut the brim. Grandfather let one of my uncles do it to an old one of his as well.

>>217354

Well, more like he cut up one of his dad or grandpa's old fedoras, since that how kids would usually make their whoopee caps way back when Archie was made way back in 1939. Willis ascribing the modern day association with a fedora to Jughead's whoopee cap is stretching it.

>>217357
I meant there's literally a story in the vast Archie archives where Jughead switches it out for a proper fedora to be "mature" and then just cuts it up and makes a new one.

Just a heads up Mega Man 30 was indeed pushed back a week this month as well so it's out October 16th instead of this Wednesday.

Hopefully this doesn't become a recurring thing since I doubt coming out the same week as Universe will be a good thing for it.

And his shirt says "S" for some reason.

>>217364
Ok this sounds hilarious for some reason.

>>217369
It actually was pretty funny, but I have no idea what story it was because it was ancient and I only saw it from someone posting it on /co/.

>>217370
I caught it once and I think went something like "I'll show them I"m mature." Dons the Fedora and then everyone either mistakes him for his father or makes a gag of it that he just fucks it all and goes back to the Whoop.

>>217364

That sounds pretty great!

>>217327
I'm okay with a design not looking it's most aesthetically pleasing, but it has have purpose behind it. Which makes me wonder how Ian plans to characterize new Antoine.

It's a much more aggressive looking design. It looks a bit rough and almost brutish in comparison to his old formal outfit.

I kind of worried, while I'm sure nobody wants Twan to regress back into a sniveling coward, I'm pretty sure not many want "Twan the brave/ or cocky asshole" to be his new base personality either.

>>217349

I don't think he really is, per se; just noting the inconsistency in style between the cartoon version and the more detailed, realistic version which lacks any sort of detail in the hat alone, making it look out of place.

>not posting the superior Sonic comic

>>217377
>suggesting autistic Sonic comics are anything new

>>217389
Why is there a stick up your ass?

>>217390
It feels so go~<3~od.

So Sega signed a licensing deal with Egmont.

StC reprints and digital release when?

>>217392

If they could form a deal with Archie or UDON or someone for a North American release, that would be great.

>>217367

Actually, turns out it's not on any of the October 16th shipping lists either so it's probably October 23rd this month.

See you in a year or so, bro.

I can understand how she grew up to be such a troublemaker, but does this mean the blue hair is a dyejob?

>>217440
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Someone story timed first issue of Afterlife find it kinda hard to see this as a year long series even if one takes into account all the extended cast unless these are all mini zombie stories with the first being a take on Pet Cemetery and next being Re-Animator etc . That and it might have done too much walking dead making everyone a bit too unlikeable aside from Arch and Patent JugZero(poor stupid pet reviving bastard). Kinda wish it was more stylized like the animatic they showed a bit back. Its got tons of references to all horror though so that's a plus. Though also since that is common knowledge in this universe then at least Dilt's zombie sense should be ringing off the hook seeing Jugzomb

NEAT

>>217481
slightly better quality version

>>217483
Have to wonder if the removal of cool details like bunnie's hat and antoine's epaulets was because they're a pain to do in CGI

>>217485
I'm going to guess no and say it was mostly to establish this as their new "basic" look. Bunnie, Sally, and Twan are more-or-less back to basics in the modern style while Rotor is a more top heavy and modern version of his pilot design with trinkets.

They might add more junk on later like they did in the old days or change their outfits for special occasions. This seems like a "this is what they normally look like, work from there" thing.

>>217485
>Have to wonder

No you don't. I like those things too, and some other elements that got cut, but I doubt the designs were heavily influenced by the possibility of a CGI cover later.

>>217485
I believe this is from a "mandate" from SEGA to bring the overall style of the book characters closer in line with the games. In the games, male anthromorphs wear almost nothing, females anthromorphs wear regular but simple clothing. It probably helps in CGI creation, but this is likely a bonus and not a requirement.

Also, it just hit me that Bunnie has her cybernetics back. While she went to Beauregard to get Legionized (without actually joining the Legion), I wonder if she'll freak out when her "other" memories get activated, knowing at one point she was returned to normal.

I wonder what the explanation will be as to why Nicole affects some (Tails, Rotor) but not others (King Acorn). Would Big have had his memories returned if he touched Nicole (which I don't think he did)?

>>217489
>"I wonder what the explanation will be as to why Nicole affects some (Tails, Rotor) but not others (King Acorn)."
Didn't they say it's because they're closer to Sonic than he is?

>"Would Big have had his memories returned if he touched Nicole (which I don't think he did)?"
I can see it now: He grabs Nicole and suddenly remembers himself fishing.

>>217489
The first issue said that only those really close to Sonic were affected due to him being the agent of all said change. Thus, only his best friends the Freedom Fighters... and Naugus. Because Sonic's the best friend Naugus has left.

>>217490
>> He grabs Nicole and suddenly remembers himself fishing.

Okay, that would have made one hell of a funny page.
>Panel 1: Big touches Nicole
>Panel 2: Queue flashback background: the left is him fishing with Froggy on his head, the right is him fishing with Froggy on his side
>Panel 3: Big isn't moving at all
>Panel 4: Sonic: "Well, remember anything different, big guy?"
>Panel 5: See Panel 3. Tails and Sonic exchange a confused look.
>Panel 6: Big: "Oh!" Sonic and Tails look apprehensive.
>Panel 7: Big: "The fish I caught yesterday was gray, not black."
>Panel 8: Sonic and Tails look defeated

>>217490
>>217492
Ah, yes, thank you for reminding me.

>Because Sonic's the best friend Naugus has left.
Much of Naugus' concern near the end of the Old World was obtaining his absolute power, and Sonic, as a constant thorn in his side, likely consumed a lot of his not-crazy thoughts. So perhaps its those for whom Sonic was a large part of their life? While he's sorta-buddy with King Acorn, Sonic was only a large part of his life for a brief time.

About Nicole affecting Naugus: Tails said in 252 that it's probably because of how the first wave messed up Naugus pretty badly, so he was unstable enough for her to affect him.

>>217489
I imagine she'll be upset with her other self. She was harsh on Boomer for willingly augmenting his normal body with robotics, if in this timeline she never got to experience being all flesh and blood again, or any of the other disasters leading to her decision to legonize herself, then she might feel she was throwing a gift away recklessly.

U jelly guys?

>>217509
Action figure arms always make Sonic characters look like marionettes. It's amusing.

>>217510
Which is why Classic Amy in that photo looks the best out of those figures.

>>217489
Ian repeatedly said it was his initiative. No mandates. The characters were becoming irrelevant in archetype and looks, tied down to a 20-year-old show, and he knew eventually they'd be gone if they weren't updated with the rest of the book to a fresher look. So maybe yes, SEGA would eventually say "do this", but in this case it seems he decided to do it first and get it over with.

>>217519
You'd think the Sally fans would be happy that she's wearing tight, form fitting hotpants and a buttoned up vest.

>>217505
But she didn't lose her robot limbs willingly, it was a side effect of Naugus "curing" her.

>>217519
>Ian repeatedly said it was his initiative.
Sauce? I could easily have been overwhelmed by fandom frothing.

>>217526
As one of those "fans" you speak of (and I'm not even sure why anymore, probably habit/nostalgia), not really. I was upset initially at the clothes because it looked like her new outfit was based on her Mecha form, which didn't sit well in my mind. Now that we know it's a universe side-boot, and most everyone is getting a similar treatment, I'm okay with her new look but it doesn't appeal to me any more than her prior look.

At this point the thing I'm most upset about, design-wise, is Bunnie losing her jacket and hat. :(

>>217530
Dude, it was just a joke.
No need to be all mopey.

>>217531
He's mopey because he understands how psychologically scarring it is to lose a cool hat. Bunnie's going to get her memories back. She'll remember the hat. She'll have to live with that knowledge.

Also something about her limbs too, I guess.

>>217535
An entire SU arc should be devoted to her trying to find the exact hat she once wore... only for Bean to burn it.

>>217535
>>217537
I refuse to believe she'll never wear the cool hat again.
It's not like Bunnie is Knuckles, she's allowed to wear hats.

>>217509

Better than this ones...

I like Bunnie's hat and coat, but can we talk about something else? No sense in beating a dead Sir Connery.

So... anyone else going to miss Rotor's glasses? They gave him a nice adorkable vibe. And I always thought that Bomber jacket was pretty spiffy.

>Captain Metal's Final Form

Oh Yardley.

>>217539
You know, modern Bunnie is a lot like Knuckles (and a mix of Rouge) sort of how Blaze is Sonic, but a purple fire cat.

So if modern
Bunnie = Knuckles then
Sally = Amy
Rotor = Tails
Antoine = Sonic (in looks at least)

But who is Nicole's analogue... Espio mixed with Cream?

>>217575
>But who is Nicole's analogue
No, Nicole is digital.

>>217566
> implying it's even his final form.

>First they come for Knuckles hat
>Now they come for Bunnie's
The Universe just hates bitchin' hats, doesnt it?

>>217599
There's no rule that says Bunnie can't get another cowboy hat later.

So when do official previews for #257 & #60 come out?
Don't they typically come out already by this time most months.

>>217595

>>217603

They might have been pushed back a bit to make sure they didn't end up coming out before NYCC in case there was a clerical error of some sort.

>>217600
There is, because it would ruin the consistency of the art style. It would stick out like a sore thumb.

So when is Fang going to get redesigned?

>>217608

Next time he appears.

So like in four years or so.

>>217607
It really wouldn't. Bunnie's fine with or without a hat. The hat looks nice, but she's also more of a Southern Belle than a cowgirl.

>>217607
Bullshit.
Bark has a beanie and a scsrf, Max has a stupid looking crown, etc.
Nothing's stopping any of the characters from changing up their wardrobe every once in a while, they just won't be changing it up permanently any time soon brcause these are the new "standard" designs.

Speaking of redesigns, who else do ya think should get a SEGA sonic redesign?

I'd be very interested in seeing Mina and Ash get the treatment.
Also Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts revamped for the modern age would be totally cool.

I hate to be the barer of potentially bad news but I can't help but notice Mega Man and Sonic Universe aren't listed in this, or NEXT weeks shipping lists.

>>217634
>Rationalizing Mina's purple-and-yellow color scheme as fur.
Oh hell.
Even assuming they aren't tied up in legal troubles, I could see her never coming back just for this.

>>217640
I don't think they're coming back, period. While Ian did a lot of good to improve Mina as a character (Ash was barely there), those are two characters I would not mind never seeing again.

You know who I would miss the most? Rob O' The Hedge. So disappointed he got written out of the Chaotix arc...

>>217641
>I'm going to miss the guy who is literally Robin Hood in the form of a recolored Sonic who we saw maybe five times.
>Who we have an exact clone of now.

...Wait what.

>>217639
And yet many people are already getting Universe in. The only bad news is Mega Man getting pushed back, which happened last month too. It's also apparently out in digital form.

>>217642
Yeah, he and Sonic have few differences, but I still found him to be a fun character (perhaps moreso his part of the world).

>>217645
I think he meant we have a clone of him as in Bow, who is almost exactly the same character as Rob, except looking like Jet. And given that Lord Hood is still around in Avalon, the Mercian FFs will probably be there too. So we may not have Rob, but we have Bow and the rest of his team. (Except maybe the Friar)

>>217646
>I think he meant we have a clone of him as in Bow
Ohhh, got it. Yeah, Bow's a clone of Rob, so I would be happy with Bow still being around as well. Only reason I thought of Rob first was because he has more history in the comic.

Of course, we don't know if Mercia is still a place in Sonic's World, right? So we might not be getting Bow, either.

>>217647
We know it still exists, it just got renamed Avalon to tie in to Black Knight.

>>217647
Bow is probably now Rob entirely. He's the king, and Amy's cousin

>>217649
More like Amy's backstory is never going to be mentioned again.

I'm good with that. Tackling stuff like where she's from and how old she is is really flimsy, and I'd rather we just pretend she's always been (however old Sega feels she is) and she never used a dumb magic ring to age herself up.

>>217650

Amy was taped in Blaze's dimension, so presumably, her backstory hasn't changed. I could be wrong though.

>>217651
The opening of the first issue of Pirate Plunder Panic had Blaze note that Amy and Cream's memories of their homeworld are in a fog.

>>217640
You know purple and yellow are complimentary colors, right?

>>217546
>So... anyone else going to miss Rotor's glasses? They gave him a nice adorkable vibe.

You know, not once did I ever see anyone do anything other than complain about the glasses until just now, since they're gone.

It was "ew, they make him look old and feeble" but the second they disappear it's "no, they were cute!"

It's just.....I don't know. This fandom, man. It's like people complaining that Bunnie lost her hat and "now you can't tell she's Southern" even though she had no hat for like a decade.

>>217654
I don't get it, either; for whatever reason, the writers long ago made Rotor seems like he was decades older than the rest of the FF rather than a year or two, and the glasses were complicit in that.

I'm quite happy to see a younger-looking, paunch-free, glasses-free Rotor.

> It's like people complaining that Bunnie lost her hat and "now you can't tell she's Southern" even though she had no hat for like a decade.
Wait, people are actually saying that? I just thought the hat was cool.

>>217653
It's a bit harder to convince people that a character has yellow/purple fur instead of yellow fur with purple "hair" than it is to convince them that a character has brown and red fur or orange-brown and blonde fur instead of brown fur plus hair.

>>217657
...the hell am I reading? So purple and white feathers are or aren't confusing? Pale yellow and orange? How about purple two tone fur? I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here.

>>217654
It wasn't the glasses that made him old, it was the... eeeeeeeeeverything. He even joined Congress/Parliament for pity's sake. Look at Congress. Do they seem young to you? (Childish, maybe, but not young).

I don't think he should constantly wear them, but the rest of his design has been changed enough that I think he can wear 'em and pull off "nerdy" instead of "latter-day Ben Franklin dipped in purple".

>>217661
I agree, the glasses weren't what made him old, but they certainly helped the setup. As for the Council, it also had Dylan, Hamlin, and Penelope (half of the Substitute Freedom Fighters), who were about the same age as the regular FF.

I could see him having some sort of specs for when he's doing work, maybe when reading, but I wouldn't like an all-the-time thing.

I seriously hope Ian takes this opportunity to de-age the freedom fighter cast back into teenage years. Their age just needs to be stated once, then we can sit back and rest assured that they're never going to age up again because nobody would be so dumb as to do another Lost In Space type event.

>>217661
I can't be the only one that saw giant bat ears from the thumbnail.

>>217663
I seriously forgot they'd been aged up at all until now. I guess if Bunnie and Antoine aren't eighteen anymore, they couldn't reasonably be married.

>>217665
You didn't notice when Rotor suddenly became an old man?

>>217665
Sixteen year olds can get married, it just happens rarely.

At least then it would be consistent with how they talked about being so young to rush into marriage.

>>217659
I'm saying it'd be really awkward to redesign Mina in the way Sally and Antione have been redesigned because it's a bit harder to make a good argument for her hair being "fur" and not hair. Sally got a nice red stripe along her back to make her more chipmunk-esque and make it believable among other things, lord knows what you'd have to do to Mina to make her hair look like styled fur instead of a purple swath of hair on her head.

Eh?

...eh.

>>217663
Or we could just never mention anyone's age ever again and ignore this problem entirely forever without pre-empting the idea of space travel and other dumb stories.

>>217671
ehhhhhhh.

Designing a truly SegaSonic modern Mina is probably balls hard.

>>217674
Not mentioning their age keeps the problem in canon by defacto.

>>217677
Or the comic operates on the basic premise of "not-real-until-proven-otherwise". Which seems to be the entire point, writing off everything Penders ever did by simply never mentioning it again.

i don't think they even have canon ages in the first place

the wikis only citation of reference is letters to the editors asking the question, and those answers are commonly inaccurate or contradicted later

>>217665
>I guess if Bunnie and Antoine aren't eighteen anymore, they couldn't reasonably be married.
While I (sadly) don't think their marriage will stay, I don't think it would be due to age regression. Even if they go back to being 16 or so, we don't know the average lifespan of a Mobian; as >>217667 said, 16 year olds can get married, and this is more prevalent in the middle east and some other countries than it is in the West. If Mobians only have an average span of 40-50 years, versus humans at 70-90, getting married at 16 makes perfect sense.

On another note, if they aren't married in Sonic's World, or even have feelings for each other, then it's going to be a hell of a hum-dinger when they regain their memories.

>>217679
Some do. I believe Sonic turned 16 in his birthday issue. Tails is physically 10 but psychologically older, though at the outset he was only 6 or something until he ate that apple. I'm too lazy ATM to pull out my encyclopedia (mostly useless though it now is) and see how many were given canon ages.

>>217680
>Spending money on encyclopedias that don't have a bunch of nice extra content.
>In the digital age.

Why?

>>217681
Because I'm a collector?

>>217666
He looked exhausted more than old to me until he put on the council uniform.

So would you say Rotor has gone from being a little spoon to a big spoon

I guess we can agree Thrash put the Echidnas somewhere on Mobius Prime, because otherwise they couldn't have been Genesis-waved out of existence.

or is the twilight cage more of a demiplane and that was affected?

Does this mean the Nocturnus remember the old world only?

>>217706
We still can't be sure that the Wave affected only Mobius Prime. While Blaze's world seems mostly unaffected, we've seen only a bit of it. We know that the Wave at least touched her world, since Cream, Amy, Captain Metal, and the Wily Egg are there (and since Blaze was pulled into the WC event.)

But we also can't be sure that the Echidnas are written out for good, as we've had 0 info about Knuckles so far as I'm aware.

>>217706
>I guess we can agree Thrash put the Echidnas somewhere on Mobius Prime, because otherwise they couldn't have been Genesis-waved out of existence.
No we can't.

Super Genesis Wave is "I Do What I Want: Science Edition".
It can do whatever is convenient to the plot. It didn't touch the Sol Zone aside from dumping stuff in there because it wouldn't be plot convenient. It got rid of certain characters because that's plot convenient. It retconned the world's history into a way-easier-to-understand form because that's plot convenient.

We can't make assumptions about what it is and isn't allowed to do because it is nothing more than a plot device that we've been told allows people to go tell the rules of the book to suck it. Who/What/When/Where/Why is irrelevant to the effects of this plot device, because it's just a plot device without restrictions and nothing more.

>>217709
While I wouldn't put it as cranky-ly, this guy has a point. People keep looking at the whole Genesis Wave thing as a plot point rather than a plot device, and that's wrong. There's no issue of it being "who remembers this" or "who was unaffected." It's not really part of the story. It's a way to get around being painted into an awful legal corner by a childish lunatic hack.

>>217708
Blaze wasn't pulled in by the wave. Copy Robot came in and kidnapped her from her world.

Hey, do we know how long the gap is between "Proto Type" and "Let the Games Begin" was? How many years ago it was?

>>217715
...What gap? Near the end of Prototype you have a scene from earlier in the comic. Unless you mean how much time passed between Blues running away and Wily trying to take over the world. In that case it's intentionally vague.

Anyone remember "Conservation Corps?"

I wonder what Ian and company could do with it?

>>217728
Sky Shark was one of my first waifus

Solicitation time; Sonic The Hedgehog 257

The 'Countdown' is over, the 'Chaos' has just begun! 'Damage Control': The shattered world is causing chaos everywhere, and Station Square is about to implode! Sonic and the Freedom Fighters must spring into action to save the day, unless someone beats them to the punch. Cue: Dr. Eggman. Will the evil doctor be the one to save the world? Or will his newfound power give him ultimate control? Covers by Rafa Knight and Lamar Wells!

Just posting the variant since the normal one is already in the thread.

Sonic Universe 60

Shadow and Team Dark versus an invading alien army! 'Shadow Fall' Part Two: The mission to save humanity is falling to pieces! With Rouge, Omega and G.U.N. are on the run from murderous aliens and Shadow battling for his life - and his free will - against the malicious Black Death and Eclipse, the world is running out of time! Loyalties are tested, aliens are blasted, and NEW characters make their debut in this space-faring new issue! Featuring cover art from Tracy Yardley! and an Alien Invasion Variant from Vincent Riley (Native Drums).

>>217771

Variant Cover.

No Mega Man solicitation at this time.

Regarding the mystery SatAM character, well played Ian.

>>217773
Indeed. Never would've guessed it. Now I'm curious.

For anyone who hasn't heard and wants to know, it's Muttski, who is now a Mobian named Ben "Mutt" Muttski. Seriously.

Antoine also remembers his marriage, which some people were worried he wouldn't, and Sonic calls Chuck his Uncle, which people were worrying about too. So it's all good, gang.

>>217774
Is Sonic all "what the fucking shit" when it's revealed?

>>217776
He and Tails both.

You guys like Regular Show?

So, Muttski, the eager kid assistant to Uncle Chuck? I like.

I always hated the notion of Sonic having a pet dog, never mind one so generic.

>>217788

Can we all agree to not post stuff like that?

>>217610
>she's also more of a Southern Belle than a cowgirl.

She's not though. The occasional use of the term by fans remains quite an awkward fit. Southern Belle is a pretty specific archetype, a stereotypical upper class woman from the Antebellum/Plantation South, extremely aristocratic in her genteel manners, charm, mannerisms, and dress, and above all far-removed from the working classes. Even when it's used a bit loosely to refer to "modern day" Southern Belles, lacking the hoop skirt, hat, and gloves of Gone with the Wind, there's still a built-in assumption that this is someone too high-class to normally get their hands dirty. Depending on where you are in the country and your own background it might be considered complimentary or insulting (is it a reference to the spoiled and self-centered Scarlett O'Hara or the genuinely noble Melanie Hamilton?), but any way you dice it, it's meant to be a sort of aristocratic label. Blanche DuBois was showy and snobby even when she didn't remotely have the means to justify it.

You could definitely argue that Bunnie wasn't used to physical labor in the cartoon and first comics (she got tied up with rope a few times...), and the origin she eventually got shows that she came from an Antebellum-inspired aristocracy. But Bunnie herself has become too much of a scrapper for the term to make sense applied to her. She might've been a Belle once, and it'd be interesting to see her past explored a little, but these days she's probably more of a loose "cowgirl" archetype than a Southern Belle.

If they aren't from Mobius anymore what are the populace called?

Just... furries?

>>217815
Lifeforms of Sonic's Planet!

...Yeah, I'm sticking with Mobians myself. It's Mobius, they're just not allowed say it. Sort of like how Shang-Shi's dad is Fu Manchu, but since Marvel doesn't have the rights creators can't say so openly in the books. But fans can say it all they want.

>>217805
Little glimpses at Bunnie's past might be interesting, but given what real-world stuff is being referenced, I doubt Archie would sign off on very much exploration. Bit of a minefield there.

>>217805

For what it's worth, her origin depicted her working a field of crops when the Swatbots came and began roboticizing her. Of course, that could be different now...

>>217803

I like that "mildly irritated Air Man" is a thing

QUICK THINK OF A NEW NAME FOR MOBIUS.

My vote is for Torus. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torus) It looks like a ring, but if you flatten it, it becomes a mobius strip.

BAM. I'm a genius.

>>217825

I don't think it's that SEGA hates Mobius really, it's more they want the planets name intentionally left vague.

>>217825
Eh. If they want to give it a new name, they will. Otherwise it becomes Earth-Furry. At this point, I don't mind using Mobius to refer to pre-WC events and "Sonic's World" for post-WC events.

>>217815
Hey.
The comic called them furries before.

Why is Nicole a villain in Evan's comic?

>>217833

Because elseworlds get to be fucked up.

>>217825
>>217815

Howabout just call it Earth and the inhabitants Earthlings?

>>217835
BUT MUH FURRIES

>>217835

Again I'm pretty sure SEGA just wants the planets name left vague like it's been in the games for years now.

>>217837
Because fuck any kind of worldbuilding and lore.

>>217839
Names are so far down on the list of things that are important to world building and lore.

>>217840

Which is why I spent sixty seconds on wikipedia for a replacement name.

>>217839
SEGA's not fond of worldbuilding and lore, no. Don't ask me why, but they're not.

And it bears repeating: the other year SEGA gave serious thought to not renewing Archie's contract. The discord between Archie and SEGA was cited as one of the reasons Archie sued Penders. Right now Archie is almost certainly in full make-nice-with-SEGA mode, not pushing their luck. I'm not saying there's necessarily mandates or anything, but I reckon that compared to a few years ago, everyone working at Archie feels a little more pressure now to avoid ruffling SEGA's feathers.

>>217815
> If they aren't from Mobius anymore what are the populace called?

In Tiny Toons, what did the human toons call the animal toons?

>>217852
There's a joke in there, but I can't think of a good punchline.

>>217833
Because people think an evil/corrupted Nicole is the coolest shit ever.
Unfortunately the way Evan did it was kinda lame. Pity.

>>217828
I just say it's Earth v.4.0

It didn't occur to me that since the Sabrina ongoing ended, there hasn't been any new Sabrina works outside cameos in other ongoings.
I forget sometimes that the digests just reprint old content.

>>217882
Dude, they're getting rid of Betty and Veronica (lol they'll be gone as long as Superman). Nothing is sacred any more.

>>217878
How did Evan do it?

Autosage hit, new thread: >>217934