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No.58561
  Just letting you know.

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No.58577
You know, I could stream Nicktoons Network when it's on.

No.58581
>>58577
Only if you're willing to record it as well.

No.58587
>>58581
Sure I guess.
http://www.livestream.com/ctkaraoke
It's this friday, right?

No.58593
"Love at first sight," hmm? The wank ought to be glorious.

No.58594
Isn't CN doing the same thing with "The Clone Wars Decoded"?

No.58752
Streaming it now.

No.58768
Wait, has it already come and gone? Did someone record it?

No.58770
>>58752
wait, on ctkkaraoke or tvwhoring?

No.58775
I watched this, and really it wasn't that interesting. Although at one point a pop-up said that Katara and Zuko were originally supposed to be a couple in early planning for the show, and I immediately knew that legions of morons would be going "This is proof, people!"

The rest of it was just mainly lame jokes and a few notes here and there on filmmaking techniques that anyone who's ever watched a DVD commentary would know already. But it is aimed at kids so maybe they'd get more out of it than I did.

No.58776
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58776
>>58775

>Katara and Zuko were supposed to be a couple

VALHALLA.

TIER.

TROLLS.

No.58777
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58777
Awwwww shi-

No.58779
>>58775
Dammit. I had my hopes up because of that one really cool Ben 10 marathon that used the same gimmick.

>>Katara and Zuko were originally supposed to be a couple in early planning for the show

I'm guessing that both characters were very different back then. If Mike and Bryan don't elaborate on this in some kind of press release, things are going to get ugly.

No.58788
>>58776

This.

Attach it to the screen shot above and make it into a motivational graphic.

No.58789
It's up on demand on CTKaraoke (in my recordings), it'll be there for the weekend only and I'll probably end up doing the rest of Book 1 when they air it.

Also >>58775 said. There was nothing more than a bunch of kid jokes and whatnot, and at times there wasn't even enough pop ups. And for some reason, KATARA DOESN'T PLAY POKER makes me giggle.

No.58790
>>58777
How the fuck did this and the rest of the posts here pass by me?

No.58793
>>58777
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Cue the PROOF PEOPLE Zutara wank in 3... 2... 1

No.58794
>>58779

A package like this one was probably made at the Viacom building in NY, by people who have no connection to the show and desperate to fill time with some sort of content.

No one here is going to believe me so I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to say it, but I've read the original series bible. Evil!Iroh, Asshole!Sokka, Aang spending large parts of the finale in that rock sphere instead of actually FIGHTING anyone, sure, but a Zuko/Katara romance? Uh.....no.

Maybe in some super-super-SUPER early version......? Like, back when Momo was still a robot and the show was still a science fiction series?

I really wish random Nick employees would stop baiting the Zutarians. It's getting tiresome.

No.58796
>>58794
where did you get the original series bible?

No.58797
>>58795

A friend connected to show who thought I'd find it interesting. The big stuff was all there, but the details were pretty different -- Azula = Azul, Toph still a boy, much much more time dedicated to the invasion of the Fire Nation and a much earlier alliance between Zuko and the gaang. You can really see how much the Iroh and Zuko plots, in particular, changed once the head writer came on board.

I'm actually kind of surprised a copy of the bible hasn't made it online, they're not THAT hard to get ahold of, especially now that the show's over.

No.58798
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58798
>>58797
>I'm actually kind of surprised a copy of the bible hasn't made it online, they're not THAT hard to get ahold of, especially now that the show's over.

I think you know what you must do now.

No.58802
>>58798

I'm just trying to figure out if there's any universe in which they wouldn't know it was me.

.....guess it can't hurt to see if I can find the damn thing.....

(And the almost-naked turn-around of Iroh. That was pretty great.)

No.58810
>>58776
No.
NO.

I swear to god, they're just throwing the Zutarians a bone. They don't mean it... right?

/cue a billion smug Zutarians justifying their belief

No.58811
>>58802
You could always try 4chan and a bunch of proxies.

But are there any legal issues involved in he first place? Movies get their original scripts leaked all the time and no one really says anything about it.

No.58828
>>58811

It's less a legal issue and more a general industry one. You don't want people to stop showing you cool things because you can't keep your mouth shut. Or in this case, restrain yourself from reposing things on p4c.

No.58843
>>58828

I understand your dilemma. I really do.
But... but I want to read that so badly!

No.58847
>>58776>>58777

Fuck. I'll kill whoever thought about writing that one. Like Zootarians need any more crazy fuel.

>>58794>>58797

OMG, I want it!!

No.58869
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58869
>>58802
DO WANT PLZ.

No.58872
So I dug up my collection of early ATLA development bibles, and over the next day or so I'll type up bits I think you guys might find interesting. Sound good?

The first is essentially a style guide from 2005, meant for artists (storyboarders mostly I assume) working on the show. The intro pages are handwritten, interspersed with animation frames/layouts from early episodes:

"Not only is Avatar influence by Japanese anime, but also by the many incredibly talented artists who have worked on or still work on the show - in Burbank oand in Seol. One such artist is animation direction Jeong In. He helmed the animation on Avatar episodes 103 and 107. He brought an incredibly anatomical solidity and dynamism to his layouts and animation...

[several pages of animation and layouts from the Zuko/Zhao firebending duel in 103, with notes to emphasize the dynamism/crispness/solidity of the characters and the fire effects]

Another incredible artist who has worked on Avatar and influenced it heavily is Ryu Gi Hyun. Gi Hyun has animated a lot of signature scenes for Avatar (his most popular is the foaming mouth guy in 104, which was completely his idea). His drawings of our characters are so exemplary that JM Animation uses them as model and expression sheets for Avatar's animation production. Now the artists here in Burbank are using his work as a model and feeding it back into the show.

Ryu Gi Hyun's style is greatly influenced by 4ÂșC's Koji Morimoto, but he definitely has his own touch. His drawings are ALIVE!

You really get the feeling that his characters eat, breathe, sleep, think, poop and barf - just when they are doing NOTHING! I even revised Aang and Sokka's main models based on Gi Hyun's suggestions. You get the idea: he's a big influence for Avatar. Let's look at his drawings...

[animation/layouts of Aang right after he comes out of the iceberg, as well as Sokka and Katara]

[many pages of screengrabs from the show, some of which are from the pilot, with notes about what to pay attention to]

[The last page is typed]

Suggested Viewing and Reading:

DVD's/Videos:

Fooly Cooly
Samurai Champloo (series)
Cowboy Beebop (series)
Neon Genesis Evangelion (series)
"Beyond" - from Animatrix (directed by Koji Morimoto)
Abenobashi-Magical Shopping Arcade
Princess Mononoke

Books:

Orang - Koji Morimoto art book
Groundwoork of Fooly Cooly
FLCL Design Works
Groundwork of Evangelion - The Movie 1 and 2
The Art of Spirited Away
Samurai Champloo - Roman Album
Graphic Books/Works by Range Murata
Cannabis Works by Tatsuyuki Tanaka
Innocence (second Ghost In The Shell movie) - Roman Album"

No.58873
Still looking for the meatier series bible, it's been a long time since I dug it out and it's hiding somewhere on my desk.

But I found the promotional character bios from September of 2005. Zuko's in particular is interesting:

"Zuko is an incredibly focused teenage Firebender who bullies and intimidates everyone around him. He is obsessed with capturing the Avatar. Prince Zuko is the oldest son of Fire Lord Ozai, ruler of the Fire Nation, and the great-grandson of Fire Lord Sozin, who concieved the war. When Prince Zuko was 14, he spoke out against his father and the Fire Nation's conquest. To teach his insubordinate son a lesson, Fire Lord Ozai forced his son to fight him in a traditional Firebender duel. The Fire Lord defeated his son in front of his royal army, stripped the Prince of his birthright to the throne and banished him from his homeland, telling him the only way he will allow his return is with the Avatar, dead or alive. This is now Prince Zuko's mission.

Each day, Zuko studies Firebending with his Uncle, the Fire Lord's brother. Zuko is a powerful Firebender for his age and eager to develop his skills. But Zuko doesn't know his uncle is under strict orders from the Fire Lord to teach his son incorrect Firebending. It's the Fire Lord's insurance that his son's powers will never surpass his own. Zuko's greatest weaknesses are his arrogance and impatience. He believes Firebending is the most dominant art and can never be bested by Water, Earth or Airbending. Zuko's teenage overconfidence makes him believe he's invincible."

Amazing how much things changed, isn't it? This is from before the head writer came on and they reworked Zuko and Iroh's characters.

This kind of thing is why I roll my eyes at stuff like "Katara and Zuko were originally supposed to be a couple!" Even if that were true (and I don't think it is) Iroh used to be evil and I don't see anyone pretending that has any bearing on the show as it was actually made. Things change! Sometimes people have bad ideas and realize later that they were bad! Development material like this is interesting but the show itself is all that matters when it comes to the story and the characters and what counts as "canon."

No.58874
>>58873
That "incorrect firebending" idea is a really interesting concept, but I'm glad they didn't go through with it.

No.58877
>>58873
at least this explains why Iroh tagged along, beyond the

"go and don't come back till you find the avatar who's been missing for the last one hundred years, either that or big foot. oh and take your fat uncle with you"

No.58878
Kataangers on ASN are now saying that the Zutara pop-up was made up to keep the fandom going. LOL

No.58883
>>58878

It probably was.

No.58886
>>58878
There is no doubt in my mind that that is true. I mean Zutarians make up a HUGE amount of the fan base, keep them going, keep the fandom going.

No.58888
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58888
>>58886

It's funny because Zutarians are fundamentally not fans.

No.58912
Wow..do some people really believe that little Zuko/Katara thing? I mean, I thought the "she does like bad boys" line was a dead giveaway that it was a joke.

But not even counting that, ow many times have the creators said that they never planned on having the Zutara ship happen while outright bashing it and that Aang/Katara was planned from the beginning. Too many to count.


After three years, you would think people would know by now that the staff lives to poke at Zutarians and the funny thing is, they fall for it everytime.

Come on fandom...

No.58973
Not sure if anyone actually cares about this after all, but here's another character bio from the 2005 series bible. This time: Aang.

"Aang is the hero and spirit of the show. This adventurous 12-year-old is the last Airbender and only known survivor of the Air Nomads, the arrow on his head a constant reminder of his lineage. His destiny is to learn the art of the Avatar and defeat the Fire Lord of the Fire Nation. But rather than save the world, Aang searches for adventure. He wants a life full of fun experiences, not heavy responsibilities.

Aang believes that people are either in harmony with the Spirit of the Planet or corrupt and mislead. Because Aang is the Avatar, he has a connection with nature as well as animals. If he's lost, Aang is able to "listen" to the spirits of the trees, rivers, and mountains to "tell" him which way to go. He is a trickster hero uninhibited by social constraints, and constantly breaking taboos.

Opposed to the status quo, Aang loves stirring up trouble in an effort to bring about change in the world and in others."

No.58991
>>58973
I'm interested, Anon!

No.59000
>>58973
I'm interested too!
I would love if you posted a bio of one of the Dangerous Ladies, if you have it that is.

No.59003
>>58973

>Because Aang is the Avatar, he has a connection with nature as well as animals. If he's lost, Aang is able to "listen" to the spirits of the trees, rivers, and mountains to "tell" him which way to go. He is a trickster hero uninhibited by social constraints, and constantly breaking taboos.

I'm somewhat glad these two were changed.

No.59016
>>59003

Hrm...I know he *can* do that connection to life thing, we saw him and Guru Pathik do it in Season 2, but it seems like Aang lives pretty rigidly by the rules of the monks, and greatly respects the old ways. Oh well, it's pretty old anyway.

No.59017
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59017
>>58872
You are super-awesome for posting these, Anon. Any chance we'll get some scans? That might be easier for you than just trying to type it all up, plus pics of the art would be nice.

No.59020
>>59000

The Dangerous Ladies aren't in the promo material, but Azula is mentioned in the larger series bible. Still trying to dig that up.

>>59017

Any images that you'd want scans of? There are some character turnarounds and some background sketches, and in the storyboard artist guide there are some layouts/rough animation frames, everything else is just promo art you can see elsewhere or screen grabs.

No.59023
>>59020
SCAN

EVERYTHING

No.59024
>>59020
Any exclusive material like this
>character turnarounds and some background sketches, and in the storyboard artist guide there are some layouts/rough animation frames

No.59028
>>59024

Seconded...seriously, seconded hard.

No.59033
And five seconds later I found the IP bible.

I'm mostly just going to type up the series synopsis because it seems like that's what you're most interested in, but I do want to mention that the section labeled "Character Relationships" opens with, "The relationship between Aang and Katara is the emotional heart of the show." (Also the Blue Spirit was once the Red Spirit. Wacky shit all around.)

But here is the series overview. There's some pretty weird stuff in here, some of which I'd forgotten about.

"1st Season - Winter

The series begins on the South Pole during winter. It is here where Katara and her brother Sokka discover an Airbender boy (Aang) and his giant bison (Appa) inside an iceberg. Although Aang denies to Katara that he is the Avatar, she soon learns the truth when a young Firebender named Prince Zuko attacks the Southern Water Tribe, looking for the Airbender. In his first act of heroism, Aang surrenders to Zuko in exchange for the tribe's safety. But with the help of Katara, Sokka and his flying bison Appa, Aang escapes Zuko's war ship. Katara and Sokka decide to help Aang get to the North Pole so that he can find a master Waterbender from whom he can learn Waterbending - the first step to becoming the Avatar.

Of course, Aang isn't in any rush to take on his Avatar responsibilities, so the kids stop at many fun and exciting villages and cities on the way. The first stop is at Aang's childhood home, the Airbender Temple. There, Aang makes first contact with Avatar Roku - Aang's previous incarnation and a mentor who will help him on his Avatar journey. He also befreinds a winged lemur - once a traditional Airbender pet. To Aang, Momo is a sign of hope that, somewhere in the world, his people are still alive.

As word spreads around the world that the Avatar has returned, the kids act more cautiously, sometimes disguising Aang. And with Zuko on their trail, the longer they stay in one place, the more likely it is that he will find them. The kids begin to learn whom they can trust - and whom they can't.

Aang's search for an Avatar mentor leads him to the Spirit World. During the Winter Solstice, Aang crosses over into the Spirit World and makes contact again with his previous incarnation, Avatar Roku. Roku reveals to Aang that a powerful comet is passing over the Earth at the end of the summer - and that the Fire Lord and his troops will harness this power to win the war. Aang now faces the daunting task of not only mastering the four elements but doing so before the end of the summer.

With time running short, Aang buckles down and begins to learn Waterbending alongside Katara. But Aang is unfocused and undisciplined and would rather play than practice. When Katara discovers an ancient scroll with the Waterbending lyrics (moves) illustrated on it, she believes that they have found a quick and easy way of learning Waterbending without having to find a master in the North Pole. However, after a series of mishaps, she realizes that you can't learn from a "book," but that you need the wisdom and guidance of a teacher.

Their journey North reaches a crisis point when Katara and Sokka learn Aang's secret - fearing his Avatar responsibilities, he ran away from the Air Temple; and that this irresponsible act led to Aang being encased in ice for 100 years. Katara is furious with Aang; she believes that if Aang had not run away, then the war never would have started and her mother would still be alive. In an effort to prove to Katara that he's now taking his Avatar responsibilities seriously, Aang tries Firebending before he's ready and accidentally burns Katara's hands. Aang feels guilty and vows never to Firebend again.

Meanwhile, Sokka is fed up with Aang's irresponsibility and thinks that Aang doesn't have what it takes to become the Avatar. Sokka believes it's up to warriors like him to put an end to this war. When he finds evidence of the men of his tribe he sets off to find them, ultimately joining a small unit of Earth Nation warriors. After tasting his first real battle, Sokka's romantic ideal of the warrior life is shattered. However, he begins to learn that his true destiny is as a leader. Meanwhile, Aang and Katara reconcile and Katara learns about her healing abilities - a skill closely associated with Waterbending. Aang promises to Katara that he will not make the same mistake twice - he won't run away from his responsibilities and commits to getting to the North Pole.

With Zuko close on their trail, the kids finally arrive at the North Pole and find a master Waterbender to teach Aang. But because of the Nothern Water Tribe's sexist culture, the master refuses to apprentice Katara - and her life long dream of becoming a Waterbender is in jeopardy. Aang exhaustively trains with the old Waterbender who proves to be a tough disciplinarian. Because Waterbending doesn't come to him easily, Aang and the old Waterbender get frustrated with each other and abandon the lessons. The old Waterbender considers the unfocused Aang "impossible to teach." When Katara finds out Aang's lessons have stopped, she confronts the teacher and demands that he teach Aang - the future of the world is at stake. When the old Waterbender refuses, she challenges him to a fight and demonstrates her Waterbending abilities. Th old man not only accepts Aang back as his student, but her as well.

Winter culminates in a Fire Navy assault against the Nothern Water Tribe. Led by Zuko's nemesis, Commander Zhao, the Fire Navy surrounds the North Pole with dozens of ships, intent on capturing the Avatar before he learns Waterbending. After a dramatic fight with Zuko, in which Aang spares Zuko's life, Aang joins the tribe for a decisive battle. With Katara and the old Waterbender's help, Aang creates a water tornado that drives the ships into the ice, immobilizing them. The remaining ships retreat. Collectively, Sokka, Katara and Aang's heroism save the Northern Water Tribe.

The battle nearly kills the old Waterbender. On his deathbed, he tells Katara that she alone possesses the knowledge to complete Aang's Waterbending training. With his newfound determination, Aang decides to continue into the Earth Kingdom and learn Earthbending. Instead of returning to the South Pole to save her tribe, Katara leaves with Aang to teach him Waterbending, knowing that without the Avatar no nation will survive another year. Sokka also resolves to continue the mission, vowing to protect them using his new warrior skills. But will Katara really transform the undisciplined Aang into the one person powerful enough to stop the world's most destructive force?"

More later. Hope you guys find this as interesting as I do! Odd how it's both very similar and completely different to the final season. Most of my favorite moments aren't here at all.

No.59034
>>59033

>More later. Hope you guys find this as interesting as I do! Odd how it's both very similar and completely different to the final season. Most of my favorite moments aren't here at all.


Indeed.

I'm glad they changed Aang's character and his relationship with Katara.

Its intresting that bit of Sokka leaving them, and joining EK warriors.

And man, the lack of Koizilla bugs me.

No.59035
I'm not seeing scans in this thread. I was told there would be scans.

No.59036
>>59035

I don't have regular scanner access but I'll get around to it. The text is more interesting I think, but I'll see what I can do when I have the time and the chance to.

No.59042
>>59036
Thank you for sharing this with us, Anon.

No.59050
>>59033
>Also the Blue Spirit was once the Red Spirit
Well that explains why all the TV guides keep calling the episode "The Red Spirit".

No.59051
>>59034
This interested me as well. I wonder how that would have played out and if they cut it because it didn't fit the character anymore, for time, or because of censorship issues.

No.59100
Now for the Season Two overview, which is much much shorter and much much crazier. (But not as crazy as Season Three, which I'll get to later)

"2nd Season - Spring

Throughout the spring, Aang, Katara, Sokka and Momo journey through the unfamiliar Earth Kingdom mainland, a vast continent full of natural wonders and fantastical creatures. Zuko, Prince Azul and the rogue Earthbender [I have no idea who this is and there aren't any notes on him in other parts of the bible that I could find] continue their separate persuits, each hoping to capture the Avatar and win Fire Lord Ozai's favor.

Aang's search for an Earthbender leads him to Toph, a young, blind Earthbender whose arrogance equals his powers. Katara is immediately drawn to his confidence and sparks fly between the two teenagers. Aang's jealousy of Toph causes him to compete for Katara's attention. Aang trains more seriously, hoping to impress her. Sokka also disapproves of his sister's relationship with Toph. He doesn't trust the Earthbender and believes Katara's attraction results from her sympathy for his blindness. In addition, Sokka resents Toph for taking away from him the group's leadership position. For the first time, Sokka and Aang agree absolutely; they both want Toph out of Katara's life. Without intending to, they begin to adopt each other's traits in order to bring Toph's huge ego down to size.

Early in the season, Zuko captures Aang's bison alive and gives it to this father as a gift. Unable to fly, the group relies on Katara's Waterbending to propel their raft down the Earth Kingdom's many rivers. They travel south toward the Earth Kingdom's last stronghold in the capital city. There, they meet the Emperor, a proud man who refuses to give in to the Fire Nation. When he meets Aang, the Emperor imparts his covert plan to invade the Fire Nation so that the Avatar may help his men in battle. The Emperor makes Aang promise not to reveal the mission to anyone.

Dying to tell the secret, Aang uses his trickster logic to invent a series of riddles so his friends can guess their mission. As Aang leads the group further south, Katara finally solves the riddle, absolving Aang from his promise to the Emperor. By spring's end, the kids arrive at a huge, hidden camp where the Earth Kingdom forces prepare for a counterattack against the Fire Nation. Katara and Sokka reunite with their father and other tribesmen who have been working with the Earth Navy to construct giant battle ships for the invasion.

Aang, Katara, Sokka and Toph sail with the Water Tribe on the day of Black Sun. During the total eclipse, the Firebenders loose their ability to conjure flames and the Earth Kingdom ships ambush their shores, hoping to infiltrate and begin their march on the Fire Nation capital. Sokka's father asks his son to fight with him. However, Sokka sacrifices his dream in order to stay with Aang. Sokka now believes Aang will fulfill his destiny as the Avatar and defeat Fire Lord Ozai. Sokka assumes responsibility for Aang's mission and resolves to deliver Aang safely to his final duel. As the Earth Kingdom continues its assault on the Fire Nation, the kids enter enemy territory, embarking on the final, and most dangerous leg of their journey."

No.59106
>>59033

I found this very interesting.
Honestly it doesn't surpirse me those useless Haru and Jet stuff wasn't planned all along.

No.59108
>>59106

Well neither were Suki, Mai or Ty Lee (in the stuff posted so far anyway) and I don't think they were useless?

(Or Jeong Jeong, or Long Feng, or Bumi, or you know a lot of other people)

No.59109
>> Katara is immediately drawn to his confidence and sparks fly between the two teenagers

HAHAHAHA
brb loling FOREVER

No.59110
>>59109

So does this mean Katoph was meant to be?

No.59115
>>Aang's search for an Earthbender leads him to Toph, a young, blind Earthbender whose arrogance equals his powers. Katara is immediately drawn to his confidence and sparks fly between the two teenagers. Aang's jealousy of Toph causes him to compete for Katara's attention. Aang trains more seriously, hoping to impress her. Sokka also disapproves of his sister's relationship with Toph. He doesn't trust the Earthbender and believes Katara's attraction results from her sympathy for his blindness. In addition, Sokka resents Toph for taking away from him the group's leadership position. For the first time, Sokka and Aang agree absolutely; they both want Toph out of Katara's life. Without intending to, they begin to adopt each other's traits in order to bring Toph's huge ego down to size.
This is pretty much the exact opposite of what happened.

>>Early in the season, Zuko captures Aang's bison alive and gives it to this father as a gift. Unable to fly, the group relies on Katara's Waterbending to propel their raft down the Earth Kingdom's many rivers.
Daaaaamn.

No.59116
>>59100
>Prince Azul
Oh wow.

No.59117
>>59110
Yes, meaning Toph is officially a more likely love interest for Katara than Zuko ever was.

No.59120
>>59100

B-but where's Uncle?? I wonder if they just weren't planning on developing Zuko very much, so he didn't need an awesome mentor.

Also this version of Toph is just a blind Jet who earthbends. I'm extremely glad she became her current incarnation.

>>59033

Aw, that Sokka subplot with the EK battle is great. I guess we got a taste of Sokka the warrior in Day of Black Sun, but I always enjoy the face paint/wolf helmet stuff.

No.59121
>>59100
wow that is really different than what actually happened...Haha Katoph...

No.59142
>>59100

Male Toph reminds me somewhat on Jet and Haru. I can see Katara falling for him instead of Aang (who's still kinda evading his role as the avatar).

I can't tell you how much this makes me appreciate the change on Aang's character for the final product.

I'm somewhat sad about the loss of Aang and Sokka's friendship. I know it still happened on the show, but was severly underplayed in comparison.

>>59110

At first, at least. I can see Katoph used as the plot device used to mature Aang into his duties as the Avatar. From there, either it remained as it was or it steered towards Kataang.

No.59158
Glad you're enjoying these. It's been interesting to see the reactions from everyone.

Final installment of series synopsis:

"3rd Season - Summer

Summer marks the impending arrival of a comet that will empower Firebenders with strength enough to decimate the Earth Army, ending the war. As the troops continue to fight toward the enemy's capital, Aang, Katara, Sokka and Toph make their way through the Fire Nation, a hot, barren land full of active volcanoes, searching for a Fire Master willing to teach Aang Firebending.

Having traveled for several years, Prince Zuko returns to his homeland to find his people enslaved and living in poverty. Outraged that his father has committed such heinous crimes in the name of the war, Zuko once again speaks out against the Fire Lord, this time vowing to take his throne and save the Fire Nation from ruin. In retaliation, Fire Lord Ozai deploys a team of his most deadly Firebenders to capture his son. Zuko grows his hair and takes refuge in a small village, living amongst his people for the first time in his life.

Along their journey, the kids enter the village and encounter Zuko, who asks for their help in defeating the Fire Lord. Convinced Zuko has set a trap for Aang, Sokka refuses his assistance. On the other hand, Katara perceives genuine change in Zuko and wants to use him as a guide through the Fire Nation. With no other options, Aang agrees to help Zuko in exchange for Firebending instruction. The kids cautiously accept Zuko into their group.

For weeks, they move through the country, hiding in caves and seeking refuge in villages. All the while, Zuko trains Aang in Firebending. However, Aang's fear of fire prevents him from controlling the volatile element, for he still feels guilt over burning Katara. Furthermore, once Zuko fights his Uncle, the Prince learns that his former teacher was under his father's orders to teach him incorrect Firebending. Under the tutelage of Zuko's flawed magic, Aang cannot obtain the skills needed to defeat the Fire Lord. Aang realizes he won't master the final stage of the Avatar's magic before the comet arrives. The group decides to put off attacking Ozai until after the comet passes, but Aang understands the dangers of waiting. By then, the Fire Lord will join his Army's frontlines and use his heightened powers to decimate the Earth Army. Facing up to his responsibility, Aang leaves his friends and sets out for Ozai's fortress where he will fight the Fire Lord, alone. Meanwhile, the Fire Lord's Firebenders catch up with Zuko and the kids and attack, capturing Zuko and Katara. Luckily, Sokka and Toph escape.

After a long journey, Aang arrives at the Fire Lord's fortress. Ozai sets a trap and hundreds of Firebenders surround Aang. With his life threatened, Aang's arrow tattoos begin to glow. His Avatar spirit awakens and uses the four elements to seal Aang inside a sphere of stone, similar to when the storm endangered his life. With Aang trapped, the Firebenders deliver Aang to Fire Lord Ozai, but even his remarkable powers can't crack Aang's protective shell.

While Earth Kingdom troops move closer to the capital, Sokka and Toph track the captured Zuko and Katara to the Fire Lord's fortress, hoping to save Katara. Nearby, Sokka and Toph discover a fleet of fully operational zeppelins preparing to take off. In the Fire Lord's eccentric menagerie, Sokka finds Aang's bison, alive. Freeling Appa, Sokka flies him into battle and hijacks a zeppelin from the air. With the zeppelin's firepower, Sokka destroys the rest of the fleet, clearing the way for the Earth forces to storm the Fire Lord's fortress.

Inside the fortress, Katara and Zuko break away from their captors and search for Aang, hoping to help him. Zuko leads them through secret passages to his father's chamber, where they encounter Zuko's brother, Prince Azul. Azul's Firebending is superior to Zuko's, but with Katara's help, they defeat the younger Prince, preventing him from helping his father battle Aang.

As the comet streaks through the sky, Ozai's power doubles, allowing him to break Aang's protective sphere. Aang emerges ready to face his destiny. For the majority of the battle, Aang uses Air, Water and Earthbending against the Fire Lord, but Ozai holds the upper hand. However, by watching the Fire Lord fight, Aang learns Firebending. Equally strengthened by the comet, Aang assimilates Ozai's moves into his own and uses them to defeat the master. However, staying true to his ideals, Aang does not kill Ozai. Instead, using a technique available only to the Avatar, he takes away Ozai's Firebending powers and leaves him a weak man.

As the Earth forces capture the capital city, Aang reunites with Katara, Sokka and Momo. Aang proves to his friends that he's ready for the Avatar's responsibilities.

Epilogue

Zuko claims the Fire Lord's throne and vows to work with the Avatar to restore the Fire Nation to its proper place in the world. Toph returns to the Earth Kingdom to work with the Emperor in rebuilding his nation. Katara and Sokka rejoin their father and sail home to save their home and rebuild the Southern Water Tribe. Aang and Momo reunite with Appa and fly off in search of the Air Nomads, whom Aang believes lives in an unexplored part of the world. As the Avatar, Aang will travel the world, helping restore balance to the Nations. In the process, he will achieve what he always wanted - a life full of adventure."

No.59164
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59164
>>59158

I, er-, what-, how in the-

That was fucking nuts....

>However, by watching the Fire Lord fight, Aang learns Firebending. Equally strengthened by the comet, Aang assimilates Ozai's moves into his own and uses them to defeat the master.

I would have facepalmed for years. If /co/ likes to bitch about Spiritbending, they would never let Avatar live something like that down. Wow.

No.59166
>>59164
>That was fucking nuts....

Like I said it just got crazier as it went. Glad Bryke found so many good writers to work with. There was good stuff in there it was just drowning in insanity.

No.59167
>>59158

Hmm. Really intresting.

That ending would've probably made /co/ happy (sans the part of Aang staying true to his ideals).

On the other hand, its lacking something to me. I like romance in my epics and the complete lack of Kataang bothers me a bit.

Fuck, Zuko had everything agaisnt him. His father, his uncle, his brother. No wonder he needed Katara's help.

Also, I can't belive I never noticed the paralel between the iceberg and the rock.

And intresing enough, male Toph's role in the last season seems to match female Toph's role in the final product (practically nothing).

No.59168
>>59164

I figures it makes sense. He is the knowledge of his past lifes. He has already learned those moves before, so its not that out there for him to learn that way.

Its more problematic the fact that he just new how to spiritbend (but only depending on how past avatars dealt with threats).

No.59170
>>59158

Maybe it's just the tone, but the epilogue seems extremely cut and dry compared to the finale. "Everybody goes back to their homes to rebuild." I am a weenie and I like pretending that the gaang stayed together 4evah.

Like some others are saying, I am very, very grateful for the change in Aang's character. The show wasn't necessarily about him facing up to his responsibilities - he accepted them almost from day one - it was about actually doing the job. When Aang messed up, it wasn't childishness (usually). It was just messing up like anyone could.

Also, there seems to be 70% more estrogen in the finished product. Both Azula and Toph started out male, and there's no mention of the dangerous ladies.

Anon, thank you very much for this stuff. You are a spectacular and attractive person.

No.59171
>>59168

Then why does the avatar usually need to spend years learning all the elements? Aang could probably learn a couple firebending moves by watching someone (or looking at pictures on a scroll), but it seems farfetched that he would learn enough firebending on the fly to go up against Ozai - and on the day of the comet! It seems to me that the avatar has to learn all the elements traditionally, through hard work, to keep a closer connection with humanity and not become some distant deity type.

>>59167

If Ozai stayed on the ground, Toph would have taken care of him lickety split.

No.59173
>>59170

>Maybe it's just the tone, but the epilogue seems extremely cut and dry compared to the finale.

It has no heart.

The word is saved. The gaang disbands. Rebuilding of the damaged world starts. Aang leaves in search of his people, living a life of adventure.

We know all that stuff its going to happen anyway.

Why bother spending our last minutes with the characters in an impersonal re-cap of the state of the world?

That's what /co/ wanted. But that's not how you end a story.

No.59174
>>59173
I suppose that's the sort of thing that has to arise naturally after actually working with the characters.

No.59175
>>59173
>It has no heart. [..] That's not how you end a story.

Seconded so hard.

>>59174

Yeah, exactly. 61 episodes is a long time after all.

No.59176
>>59171

>Then why does the avatar usually need to spend years learning all the elements?

To master them. At the end of the show, Aang knows each bending type, but he's master in only one (maybe two).

In this draft, he knew some stuff about incorrect firebending, and learned some propper stuff from watching Ozai. Add to that that he still has the other elements + Comet power up.

I know it still has problems, but its not that out there as it seems at first glance.

>If Ozai stayed on the ground, Toph would have taken care of him lickety split.

Stop over-glorifying Toph.

No.59177
>>59174

I get what you're saying. But even as a recap of what happened after the battle was over, it feels weird.

No.59179
>>59158

Geez, the season 3 they went with had a lot of flaws in it, but after reading what they originally planned for the season, it makes you appreciate it a lot more.

Man that was lame.

No.59182
>>59179

I think the difference is that sure, it had flaws. But it also had the heart to make you not really care all that much about them. I cared so much about the characters that the small plot problems barely even pinged on my radar.

No.59183
Did that come with any drawing of manToph? I've heard his physical appearance was the basis of the Earthbender in the opening and was reused for The Boulder and Sud, but he's described as "young", while those guys were all huge and Sud and the Boulder were both probably at least 30.

No.59187
>>59183

No art for any characters who weren't in the show. Too bad, I was curious about Prince Azul, too.

No.59194
>>In the process, he will achieve what he always wanted - a life full of adventure."

Well that just screams Gaang Jr.

But seriously, I'm underwhelmed. I'm glad for these changes. Also Evil!Iron :(

No.59213
>>Glad you're enjoying these. It's been interesting to see the reactions from everyone.

>>Final installment of series synopsis:

>>"3rd Season - Summer<<

[snippety]

...wow. Kinda ironic how Katara's the first one to believe Zuko in the original plans, huh? There's some interesting stuff in here, but I'm glad they changed the bulk of it.

I do, however, like that refusing to kill the Fire Lord was always in their plans for Aang's character.

No.59215
>>59213

I also like the fact that they always intended on having Zuko and Katara fight Azula (or should I say "Azul")

At times, I thought that was just put in there as a lame attempt to make Zutarians happy.

No.59219
>>59033

I'm interesting in the section you mentioned said "character relationships". You got anymore from that?

No.59223
>>59213

Katara believed Zuko in Ba Sing Se, which pissed her off the most when he betrayed them. So the only thing that changed was that Zuko didn't flip flop around so much.

I was really surprised that energybending was always in the plan. Didn't that seem like something they just tossed in at the last minute? Maybe it was just a pacing problem.

Also seconding the "character relationships" request. I'm interested in whether Iroh was a straight villain or whether he seemed 'good' to Zuko (and the audience) for most of the series.

No.59226
>>59223
I think that energybending was planned all along, and personally I don't find to be such a bad idea. It was, like you said, just paced wrong. They should have brought it up, or hinted at it, earlier in the show.

No.59242
>>59100
Ahaha, Katoph was canon! Suck it, Zootards!

>>59158
Wow. I'm REALLY glad so much of this was changed. That would have been a bad ending indeed. In fact, just about all of the draft for season 3 is unpleasant. It's like the characters hardly bonded at all. The whole "incorrect firebending" is interesting, but really would have bugged me. And the show would not be the same without awesome fatherly mentor Iroh. I like how Spiritbending was planned from the beginning, though. That should shut up some whiners who said it was Deus Ex Machina.

>>59226
LIONTURTLES EVERYWHERE. No really, even in the pilot. If Spiritbending itself was hinted at, that would ruin the surprise.

No.59244
>>59242

I don't think this version of season 3 would've been as lame as it sounds. It was just a summary, I'm sure more things would've happened.

But I'm still glad they didn't stick with this

No.59245
>>59223

>I was really surprised that energybending was always in the plan. Didn't that seem like something they just tossed in at the last minute? Maybe it was just a pacing problem.

I think Mike and Bryan once implied they had much more planned for Energybending and the Time before the Avatar. Problem is that to do that stuff justice, they would've required a lot more episodes.

Explaining stuff about it in the show would've been contraproducive to the overall story they wanted to tell. Expanding on it after it was introduced would've solved all those problems.

I think that would've been the specials, except Nick gave them the axe long before the episodes aired, and they already were on a tight schedule.

>>59244

>I don't think this version of season 3 would've been as lame as it sounds.

Seconded. There's several stuff that would've played wonderfully with propper wrting and development. Still, glad they changed some stuff.

Its intresting that the skeleton of the season is still pretty much the same.

No.59247
>>59158
Kind of interesting to see how many of these ideas did make it into the finished product, albeit in different form and sequence.

No.59252
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59252
>>59158
Forgot to add:

>For weeks, they move through the country, hiding in caves and seeking refuge in villages.

Hiding in cave... after cave... after cave... after cave...

No.59272
>>59245

Specials? What do you mean?

No.59276
>in order to bring Toph's huge ego down to size.
needed this is the show so fucking hard.

No.59281
>>59276

Well, she was underused in the last season. Its not an optimal solution to the problem, but its something.

No.59282
>>59281
well she was overused in season 2 so in regards to the entire thing I guess it balances itself out.

No.59286
>the Prince learns that his former teacher was under his father's orders to teach him incorrect Firebending.
Pay no attention to Wimp Lo, we purposely trained him wrong... as a joke.

No.59287
>>59286
>Pay no attention to Wimp Lo, we purposely trained him wrong... as a joke.

Such a tragically under-appreciated movie.

No.59288
>>59287
>Killing is wrong. And bad. There should be a new, stronger word for killing. Like badwrong, or badong. Yes. Killing is badong. From now on, I will stand for the opposite of killing. Gnodab.

If only Zuko said that to Ozai...

No.59289
>>59245

Those "specials" were just false rumors. I remember Mike and Bryan saying they didn't even know anything about them when asked.

No.59293
>Didn't that seem like something they just tossed in at the last minute?
To me, it did not.

No.59320
>>59289
No they weren't. There was a flyer with plans for the Avatar franchise. One of the things listed was a few hour-ling specials. Since then its safe to assume that plans for that have been cancled, alongside Nick Magazine.

No.59359
>>59282
She was hardly overused. She came into the show in episode 7, and aside from training Aang didn't do all that much. She tried (and mostly failed) to slow the drill, worked as a lie detector, and got to be the butt end of some blind jokes. There were one or two fight scenes she shined in, but those were completed outdone by Katara in the catacombs and the fact that most of Toph's really impressive stuff, Aang was doing right alongside her.

No.59392
BAMP FOR GREAT JUSTICE AND MORE AWESOME INSIDER INFO!

/CRUISE CONTROL

No.59485
You know, I like how everyone was so enraptured in this that they completely forgot to tape the Extras versions of episodes 3 and 4 last friday.

No.59496
>>59485
I watched it though...the one thing that stuck with me the most? The popup claiming that Koko was named after "Avatar Kyoshi's daughter"...

And here I was hoping she was gay for Yang Chen.

No.59497
>>59496
Kyoshi Warriors reproduce asexually. That's why, except for Suki, they all looked alike in their first appearance.

No.59499
>>59496

>gay for Yang Chen

They call that masturbation.

And I refuse to believe Kyoshi would name her daughter something so dorky. I can't even imagine her saying it.

No.59501
>>59496

I like the idea.

>>59497

OMG, they are amebas

No.59502
>>59496
Biiiiseeexuals!

No.59503
>>59497
I have always thought this.

Well, either that are all the original Kyoshi warriors were actually Ty-Lee's sisters and...that just makes her story extra tragic.

No.59635
>>58587

I checked out that channel but I couldn't find any recordings. Are they there?

No.61255
Is there no more series info available? Did our friendly insider Anon get busted?

No.61292
>>61255
He's being mindwiped under Lake Laogai as we speak.

No.64685
>>61292
D:

No.66408
>>59226

In the library episode Aang shows a scroll to katara with an illustration of the Lion-turtle thing. That's as close as we got to foreshadowing.

No.66409
>>66408

I've seen that episode about three times (two of those viewings I was keeping an eye out for the scroll), and I still don't see it.

So, when abouts is it?

No.66410
>>66409

Right after they trick the owl guy. When they're all just sitting around looking at stuff. It seriously takes up the whole screen, and Aang says something to the effect of "Katara, look at these weird Lion-Turtle things."

No.66436
>>66408

Lion turtles are also mentioned in "Sokka's Master." Piandao tells Sokka he has "the heart of a lion turtle." He also has statues of them throughout the grounds of his palace, and you can clearly see them while Sokka trains with him and Fat.

No.66438
>>66436>>66410

To be fair, half of the Lion-Turtle stuff can be considered as throwaway as this stuff is:

http://aminorglitch.org/look/enzoseye.html

No.66456
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66456
Here's the shot of it from the library episode.

No.66469
The existence of things called Lion Turtles doesn't come out of nowhere. The idea that they're powerful, intelligent creatures who are basically minor gods, kind of does.

I say this as someone who thought the Lion Turtle was pretty neat.

No.66538
>>59158

No.66558
>>66456
GAMERA IS MADE OF MEAT. HE HAS GIANT ROCKET FEET.

No.72812
Saving this thread from death.

No.76418
>>72812
And again.

No.76419
>>72812
>>76418
Why?

No.76426
>>76419
Because of the posts from the universe bible that are later in the thread, which I linked a page on TV Tropes to and don't want to be lost.

No.76467
I never got some people's need for Aang to kill Ozai.
It'd have let Aang into a life of regret for killing his new friend's dad, amirite?

>>66469
>>The existence of things called Lion Turtles doesn't come out of nowhere. The idea that they're powerful, intelligent creatures who are basically minor gods, kind of does.

Why not? It's a world were a ten-thousand-knowing giant owl lives in a subterranean tower. That came out of nowhere too.

>>I say this as someone who thought the Lion Turtle was pretty neat.
I liked it too. It made a lot more sense than "Aang betrays all he believes in and goes all DBZ on Ozai."

No.76586
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76586
>I say this as someone who thought the Lion Turtle was pretty neat.

Well, he IS filled with turtle meat.

No.76656
>goes all DBZ on Ozai
He spares him and later allies with him begrudgingly when a greater threat appears?

No.76670
>>76656

I think we are talking about Freeza and Cell bad types, here.

No.76671
>>76656
I admit that the fanchild in me wants to see that, but I can't think of any way that it wouldn't be ridiculously contrived.

No.76672
>>76656
A new villain named Zutara, who has the power to drive people mad by projecting his maddening delusions upon everyone he meets.

No.83306
This thread entertained me enormously, so I am bumping it.

BUMP

No.83345
>>76672

That kinda sounds like Sasuke...



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