It's about time Amy got her Doctor moment. I enjoyed this episode.

So does this mean that the Silurians go extinct? Did some stay behind on Earth?

>>35118
Some are probably still deep underground.

>>35118
This was a plan B.

T-topsie ;__________;

>>35111
Dino Crisis 3?

I enjoyed this one a lot. It was simply a really fun episode, nothing more, nothing less. Also, Brian was fantastic to watch as he muddled through everything happening around him.

And seeing Amy get her "Doctor moment" was great. I love it when she takes charge.

Nitpicks: I still rankle at Rory (and by extension his family) being reduced to Pond by the Doctor. It feels like a feminist approach but it comes out as overreaching and eliminating much of Rory's personal identity, instead delegating him as "Amy's husband". I much prefer to look at them as the Pond-Williams, but that's just me.

I also found myself bothered by Nefertiti and the big game hunter (sorry, can't remember the name) shacking up at the end. It feeds into a particular trope I'm not a fan of, that being feisty women who stand up for themselves end up being attracted to sexist men. Blegh.

Can somebody explain why there have been so many badly written episodes in DW? I mean, this show has more potential than most others, and yet... why?

Is it just me, or is 11 getting at little . . . worrisome in terms of his morals?

First, he lets a damaged, confused and mental unfit woman sacrifices herself for no real reason except she was in a Dalek Shell. She was scared and confused, and what she really need was a good Doctor.

Now he has a foe disarmed, helpless, and at his mercy. And he kills him.

Sure he was a dick and deserved to die, but he wasn't a threat anymore. Contrast this to 10's actions after the apparent murder of Jenny. "I Would Never" and all that.

I'm just saying, if 11 were my friend, I would start looking into getting him some help. At least before this bastard shows up http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Valeyard

>>35130

Wibbly timey wobbley wimey.

Or something equally handwavey. Sometimes I think they just handwave the entire plot of some episodes.

>>35132
It's only a matter of time (assuming Moffat or whoever is showrunner by the time we get the 12th or 13th Doctor remembers him or feels he is worth using). In fact, I have a feeling he was in the Doctor's room in the God Complex. It's not like the Doctor hasn't done questionable stuff before or let villains die, but it seems to be coming to a head now.

>>35132
Well, strickly speaking, the Doctor DIDN'T kill Soloman. India did. With missile that he told them not to launch.

HE DESERVED TO DIE A HUNDRED TIMES OVER FOR KILLING TOPSIE!

>>35133
As long as they declare stupid episodes non-canon, I am perfectly fine with that. But they don't do it in most cases. I would have to do it myself. And that makes me sad.

>>35132
First, he lets a damaged, confused and mental unfit woman sacrifices herself for no real reason except she was in a Dalek Shell. She was scared and confused, and what she really need was a good Doctor.

It's not like she gave The Doctor much of a choice, she told him to run and stayed put. Smart as she is if she wanted to leave with the Doctor once she knew what she was, she would have.

Now he has a foe disarmed, helpless, and at his mercy. And he kills him. Sure he was a dick and deserved to die, but he wasn't a threat anymore. Contrast this to 10's actions after the apparent murder of Jenny. "I Would Never" and all that.

Pull the trigger himself, no, never. But there are missiles inbound, no means to disable them, and a genocidal greed monger trying to run. Hard opportunity to pass up.

The fact is, The Doctor is a very old man, who has seen enough tragedy for it to tear down the pacifist in him a hundred times over, with companions in place to be his check and balance.

Also? Nooooobody would have been happy if Solomon got away. Including the audience.

>>35143
> Contrast this to 10's actions after the apparent murder of Jenny. "I Would Never" and all that.

For that matter, 10 was directly responsible for more deaths over the course of his run than anybody but 7.

>>35129
>Nitpicks: I still rankle at Rory (and by extension his family) being reduced to Pond by the Doctor.

It's called a running joke. JOKE.

>>35144
The eleventh Doctor kind of reminds me of Seven a little. He mostly reminds me of the second, but there's something about Smith's Doctor that reminds me of McCoy's.

>>35147
No, I get that it's meant to be a joke. It's just one that doesn't suit my taste. Hence why I said I was being nitpicky. I'm allowed to not like a joke.

>>35143

It was just shocking to see some ASK for his help and mercy, with him being completely capable of saving them without great cost, and him coldly saying no.

>>35144

Well there way 'The Moment' that seemed to kill / erase a few complete worlds of people, ending the Time War, but not sure if that would go on 8 or 9's counter.

>>35151
Saving them how?

At best, she's a human head in a Dalek shell. What's left after that but a calm death?

I'll admit, they could have stunned him and held him captive and had some space prison pick him up with his ship acting as decoy for the missiles, but no. no, the doctor killed that man. i would have, but i didn't expect the doctor to have put all that together.

>>35132
I hope the writers actually remember this guy. I want to see him genuinely show up as a recurring antagonist now that the Master is technically gone for good. It would be a fitting match honestly, having another evil Time Lord wandering around.

Also, what's the deal on regeneration limits? Does the Doctor still have that going on, or wasn't it taken off or something.

The Fourth Doctor snapped a man's neck for pointing a gun at him. The first Doctor nearly stabbed a man for slowing the company down.
The fucker was only ever a moral worrywart as Tennant. Doctor kills people, this was nothing.

>>35159
Good to know.

>>35159
Dip in an Acid Bath
Then there was this.

>>35161
Well this is the Sixth Doctor we're talking about...
The Sixth Doctor chokes Peri

>>35163
Doctor and Peri Brown -Unstable?
The more of his tenure I watch, the more I find out how much I like Colin Baker as the Doctor.

>>35144
>>35132
On that note Davies run was inconsistent as balls about Ten's whole mercy schtick. One second it's "No second chances, I'm that kind of man," the next he's begging a sociopathic cripple, who just tried to kill him, his friends, and the entire universe for the upteenth, time to let him save him.

Also I refuse to believe stuff like the Time Lord Victorious and that loveable Dream Lord fellow aren't totally building up to the Valeyard.

>>35176
Not to mention the Doctor's room in The God Complex. Moffat has said before that he does not plan on using characters like the Rani or the Meddling Monk or the Krotons because they'd be too obscure for casual viewers or people just getting into the show (or something like that.), but I would not put it past him to build up to the Valeyard.

Anyway, some teasers were revealed for tomorrow's episode.
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/a-town-called-mercy-teasers-39075.htm
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/more-a-town-called-mercy-teasers-39097.htm

Oh. I get it. Doctor and Master. Doctor and Nurse.
Doctor > Master
Doctor > Nurse
Slightly related. I love Rory.

It's a team-up that needs to happen.

Ben, what are you doing in Doctor Who?

>>35200
Wearing a rubbish fake mustache?

is no one going to mention FARSCAPE OMG

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/the-power-of-three-teasers-39395.htm
I can't wait for this episode. UNIT!

Okay episode.

Next episode is our farewell to the Ponds.

Epsidoe started off really well; nice box mystery, etc...

But it all kinda fell apart at the end.

Epsidode started off really well; nice box mystery, etc...

But it all kinda fell apart at the end.

Episode started off really well; nice box mystery, etc...

But it all kinda fell apart at the end.

>>35262
>>35263
>>35264
The power of three!

Anyway, I really liked it. Chibnall's been writing some good stuff. Pond Life, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, and this? I'm loving this season.

I feel like the power of three is best viewed as a promissory note, UNIT revived and fucking radical, and the Time Lord equivalent of the pied piper wanting to wipe out humanity still at large.

Not to mention foreshadowing the fate of Rory and Amy coming up next episode with their final journey.

i hope to God that the ponds don't end up rose tyler'd or stuck in some particular space-time block
or
stored in a computer
or
god knows

i'm fine with missing them. i just don't want them to lose their earthly lives.

>>35270
It appears they're going to get Weeping Angel'd.

I enjoyed this episode, but agree that the conclusion was rushed and disappointing. I thought the part at the end with Kate, where the Doctor saluted her was beautifully done and the very end is kind of depressing in that whole "We finally know where we belong. Things can only go up from here" way that indicates that shit is going to go horribly awry. I think this episode would have benefited from being at least a two-parter. As Tiki said though, it's best viewed as a promissory note. It's good to have UNIT back and being awesome.

>>35271
ya i got that far, but what does a weeping angel do? if it doesn't try to kill you, it sends you back in time where hopefully a mad man with a box can pick you up.
the fact that rory or amy gets their time consumed by angels doesn't say anything about what will happen to them and how. how does it end? where do they go? not what takes them there.

The episode was fantastic. Note for note fantastic. Probably my favorite of the season so far. Neck and neck with Town Called Mercy.

Regarding the Ponds... Weeping Angels consume POTENTIAL time and energy. Yeah they can send you back in time and feed off the life you live from that point forward, but that's when they're weak. And solitary. When strong, and in groups, they can just sap all that potentiality with one touch, much like we saw in Time of The Angels/Flesh & Stone. This is a more likely scenario we're looking at in Angels Take Manhattan. Man, I hope for the best. Seeing as the STATUE OF FUCKING LIBERTY will be a Weeping Angel!!!(as shown in the canadian preview)

The ending felt a bit too rushed, and the plot kind of fell apart on us, but this was really one of those few episodes I would honestly say is better to watch for the characters than the plot. Also I really love the new UNIT much more than Davies era if only for Kate Lethbridge-Stewart and her nerdy sidekick Glasses. It's actually made me want to go back and watch some Pertwee-era serials if only because I've heard it compared favorably to those quite a bit.

Trailer for next week has me hype as fuck for BABY WEEPING ANGELS. And I swear to god if the Beeb doesn't sell these posters they've made for each episode this season I will be so damn disappoint. I'd love to have this one up on the wall next to my Ironsides Dalek poster.

Part of me wouldn't be surprised if Rory and Amy's end ended up with them turning on each other. I have a friend who is fully convinced Amy isn't emotionally invested in Rory, and he's loyal to the end to her while she goes off and flirts with The Doctor and a lot of the one-off characters they meet together (like Vincent Van Gogh).

Don't get me wrong though, if their genders were flipped, I'd be equally mad, if not moreso.

>>35294
Hell sight more interesting then cracks and a million times better than "Spoilers" (who is the only think making me cringe about next weeks episode) and a Billion times better than fucking "Bad Wolf" ohh that makes me cringe more than "Spoilers"

>>35295
Though that plot point was already hit back when they first started traveling together and kinda revisited at the beginning of this series. But yea Amy doesn't seem emotionally invested in a damn thing. I see her "having" emotions but I don't "feel" them if you get my meaning.

>>35295
> flirts with The Doctor and a lot of the one-off characters they meet together (like Vincent Van Gogh).
Didn't Rory technically not exist at that point? Like, he got shot and sucked up into the time crack and only the Doctor remembered him.

>>35310
Yes. Especially when she was flirting with Vincent van Gogh and swooning over the sexy Roman legion. Kind of hard to be emotionally invested in your fiance when you don't know he exists.

>>35315
So do you think it kinda establishes that while the Pond women truly love one man...they are kinda whorish. Hell Amy hits that ball out of the fucking park when we first meet her.

>>35319
I wouldn't say whorish, more like... yeah a bit whoreish. It's not like she got with any of them though, and as far as the Doctor thing is concerned she was nervous about getting married and suddenly her attractive childhood suddenly-no-longer-imaginary friend showed up out of nowhere to whisk her off and show her the stars. To say she was in a weird state of mind is an understatement. And I can't fault any woman for getting hot and bothered around a group of Roman soldiers pulled straight out of her own mind.

>>35319
>they are kinda whorish
I...no...no I can't, I CAN'T...I can't. Just...no.

>>35319
>slut shaming
are you at all bothered by captain jack?

You people are silly, Doctor takes people through time and space for adventures, what would be the point if you couldn't occasionally feel up a queen or squeeze a lizard lady boobie? or run your hands along a gladiators abs or pinch Ben Franklin's buttocks?

>>35319
Yeah, what a little slut.

no srsly slut shaming is terrible.

>>35338
Seriously, have the slut walks taught us nothing?

>>35339
>>35338
Agreed. Slut shaming is dumb and pointless and I don't know why it had to enter this thread.

You can hate sluts of both genders if you want. Especially ones that think it's some triumph of cultural engineering to be one.

Watched it live with /tv/ since I'll be at work when the torrents go up. Damn solid episode, lived up to all my expectations. I won't lie that it reduced me to tears.

Also reposting this here before anyone asks, since /tv/ didn't seem to get it.
>1) How did the statue of Liberty move without any new-yorker noticing
The Angels presence was causing time distortions in Manhattan. Didn't you notice when the Doctor and Amy skipped from Central Park, to Time Square to across the Hudson mid conversation? Hell, River outright said it.

Looking forward to this tonight.
Will say that it is honestly time the Ponds left.
Gonna pop in with thoughts later.

This is probably the coolest use of River since her introduction.

And I say that as someone who really likes River.

>>35341
Because they seem to thing they need a reason to bash Amy. I agree with you guys. That still doesn't change the fact that she's probably the worst companion ever.

>>35351
In what manner?

No no no. This was not meant to turn into a slut-shaming discussion. Eugh. I hate even using the term "slut". I only meant Amy maybe wasn't ready to get married, or maybe she's polyamorous, which is totally okay, and people pointed out she'd forgotten Rory at that point, which makes her fidelity or lack of it null.

I'm very monogamous myself, but as long as my partner was honest that they were poly, it wouldn't be a big deal.

Pretty bad episode. Too much wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey bullshit and ridiculous stuff like nobody looking at the goddamn Statue of Liberty while it crosses over to the hotel, or the many instances where nobody is looking at the normal-sized angels, and yet they don't move. Also, Rory's poor dad.

>>35354
No body saw the Statue of Liberty because of the time distortions it was causing see >>35344

Man, that wise quite a way for that to go. I'm gonna miss those crazy Williamses, and now we've gotta wait for Christmas...

The Most Dangerous Game..of Tag.

>>"Oh here we go, here we go, here we go again . . ."

BRB CRYING LIKE A BITCH.

>>35351
No, the worst companion ever is Adric. Inarguably so. He was just total garbage.

And even after Adric, there's STILL probably a good half dozen before Amy enters the picture.

yeah. i. i just. i feel bad for everyone that the ponds had to finish out their life without having any other kids back in time completely unable to get back in contact with the doctor or their families/friends
granted, they did get aged forward a bit since "the power of three", so i take it that they spent a lot of their lives together hopping around having adventures and living in london with the parents and their friends
i'll try to take some solace in that
but really i'm just upset that they came to such a sudden end
and almost all for naught
i've been grieving all week for them.
and now i know that their fate is so much worse than i'd hoped
i'm upset

Ok, I'm pissed that this sort of going out happened. I say it should have ended with the Power of Three episode, as they could have just simply left them off with their families. The Doctor's done it before, he can do it again. But no, instead we are subject to them being legitimately killed off. Note: this means they can't even make future cameos, as their lives are set in fucking stone.

Overall, I completely wish this episode hadn't happened, and that they had left in the previous one, which felt so much more right.

Ok, I'm pissed that this sort of going out happened. I say it should have ended with the Power of Three episode, as they could have just simply left them off with their families. The Doctor's done it before, he can do it again. But no, instead we are subject to them being legitimately killed off. Note: this means they can't even make future cameos, as their lives are set in fucking stone.

Overall, I completely wish this episode hadn't happened, and that they had left in the previous one, which felt so much more right.

That was just bloody awful.

They never even addressed that apparently now Angels can turn non-Angel statues into Angels? Statue of Liberty? wtf?

>Adric

SHHHHHHHHHH, we don't talk about it.

>>35366
That was implied at the end of Blink.

>>35366
That was implied at the end of Blink.

The Doctor needs to take Wilfred and Brian as his companions.

A lot of the Doctor's problems with good ends for companions would be solved by taking awesome old men who've lived full lives already.

>>35374
You mean like Richard M. Nixon? Who totally should have been a companion for a couple episodes after Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon?

In any case, they need to add a new guy next season anyway- Doctor Who is usually best when he's got at least two companions, because the non-surrogate granddaughter gets to be a good contrast to the Doctor. Like Jamie, Harry Sullivan, Turlough, and even Rory.

>>35364
although i agree with most of your statement, i don't wish that the episode were never made.

like many things in life, it's not fair, but at least it felt... real? it felt authentically like something that could happen in their story. after sleeping on it, i realized that something like this episode was simply bound to happen.

and you know what? they lived somewhat long lives and spent years with the doctor. they could still make cameos as their younger selves.

the doctor doesn't have to travel in order. and i know people have been saying it's been done before, crossing back on timelines as with river song, but he's a time traveler. we're allowed to have those stories as long as their consistent.

why didn't the doctor just park in Brooklyn and go pick ap Amy and Rory.

like he did at the start of the episode

>>35362
Okay so ever was inaccurate but she's been the worst companion in the new series. Really, I wish he'd drop amy off so he and Rory still go off on adventures.

>>35384
Or find a machine that is more a bulldozer to time and space. Hell River even states her Vortex Manipulator doesn't give a flip and can go there anyway.

So basically, France noticed a lot of people were vanishing around a giant statue they had laying around, so they gave it as a "gift" to the Americans?

Touché, France.

>>35385
That's your opinion. And while majority opinions certainly aren't always true, and taste is subjective, you seem to be stating your opinion like you can't believe anyone would disagree with you, when in actuality yours is actually an unpopular view.

>>35385
>Rory going anywhere with the Doctor without Amy
IT'S LIKE YOU REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HIS PERSONALITY AT ALL

>>35393
More likely, he's that same guy that seems to hate women that posts here all the time, and wants Amy gone because "vaginas are gross."

>>35394
Different person completely. I was Okay with Rose, Martha was a bit wasted, Donna was pretty much God-tier. Amy, Amy is hollow. She reads the lines okay but you can't feel her emotions and I just find her unlikable.

>>35393
Yeah, I know but it would be nice.

Show was kinda eh and it seems like its the critics punching bag for some, but I found it a bit more entertaining when I thought of the aliens as Dr.Who Refugees

>>35377
>Richard Nixon further developing parnoia from fightin Rutan Host bodysnatchers

so I finally watched Angels Take Manhattan. Two thoughts:1
1) oh god why cant I stop crying its doomsday all over again except we all knew rose was coming back in some capacity the ponds are basically stuck waaaaaaaah
2) IS IT CHRISTMAS YET im so insanely stoked for jenna louise coleman to show up and steal the fucking show omg omg omg

>>35406
>2) IS IT CHRISTMAS YET im so insanely stoked for jenna louise coleman to show up and steal the fucking show omg omg omg

Indubitably.

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