Christopher Nolan is a hack.

Just wanting to get this out of the way...

...But does anyone else think Leonardo looks a fuckload like Chris Nolan in that poster?

So Leonardo Di Caprio is now Mindfuck: The Actor?

I'll be honest. I was never lost nor surprised by this movie.

It's not even that surreal.

A good movie nonetheless, a solid B.

It was all just a dream.

And then it wasn't.

And then it was.

And finally...

I hate you Christopher Nolan.

Great movie.

Paprika did a much better job making me feel like I was watching a dream. Sorry.

You guys are honestly the only (or first I've heard of) that aren't completely impressed with this movie.

...I'm surprised.

I just got back from seeing it in IMAX and holy fuck you guys

<i>holy fuck</i>

Felt way too familiar with all the Cyberpunk I've read over the years to really be that gripping. Nice but eh I've been here before.

>>17567

How many dreams have you had where it just throws random crap at you all night long?

Besides, the whole point was that these dreams were built and manipulated by someone with a purpose. They weren't ordinary dreams.

When do these guys show up?

It's a really interesting concept that is really well executed, but there's a distinct lack of character development and relationship development, which makes it really hard to emotionally involve yourself in the story.
There wasn't enough time, frankly, to do what needed to be done, but it was still a fascinating story.

I'm a huge gay for Joseph Gordon-Levitt

Fuck. I've got a two free movie tickets but nobody to go see this with me. Should I just be a loser and go see it by myself?

>>17586
>implying you're a loser if you see a movie by yourself

>>17589
I blame my friends and general society for that feeling. Also, I have a bad memory of being ditched on a pseudo-date and had to watch a movie by myself. Feltbadman.

>>17577
Story Sacrificed for the setting. Happens a lot when you have this type of film built into a new world setting. As said most cyberpunk I've read has a fantastic world they wanna tell you about but the people in it are rather ..off.

>>17586
Dude I prefer to see movies by myself. Other people are just annoyances, and the larger the group the less enjoyment I get out of a movie because they talk, text, ask about stuff when they're confused (which would happen a lot in this movie), pass popcorn and candy, get up to use the bathroom, etc.

Seeing a movie is about the social aspect unfortunately for many people but I don't want to pay $12+ to hang out with my friends. If I really wanted to watch a movie with them I would wait for the dvd.

WHATEVER MANS.
I loved the fuck out of this movie experience.

>>17629

My name is Anonymous and I hate fun. Wah.

  I just got back from this. You guys sucks cuz HOLEE SHEEIT. Also >>17565 ffffffffffffffffff

Also, someone should make a music vidya with this.

I loved it. It's too early to say anything more concrete than that. I'll need a few days to let it stew.

Also, the Tron trailer is so much more awesome on a big screen.

Oh, actually, I do have some thoughts. I'd love to see a spinoff of this that's less about action and more about GITS-style memetics and emergent behavior. They somewhat hinted at it in the beginning, but didn't explore it further. I think there's definite possibilities there.

Got back from it a little while ago.

HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS.

And yeah, I agree that the characters should've gotten a little more fleshing out, but that even isn't that big of a gripe for me. In fact, the thing that makes me the maddest is that We don't see if the top tumbles or not at the end. If it doesn't, the whole movie is fucking pointless. If it did tumble, it would've been rather heartwarming, but noooo. Dammit Nolan

Also, uh, did anyone else have trouble hearing names? Because I seriously had to look up the names of the characters besides Fischer, Mal, and Cobb. And even then, I didn't know Cobb's first name.

>>17673

Well, I knew the other guy's name was Arthur. Other than that...no, most of the names elude me.

I know, right? Sometimes the "Or is it?" ending works. This is not one of those times.

I wish I could find a YouTube of Type O Negative's "The Dream Is Dead" for this post.

While the beginning and its exposition/explanation regarding the methods and procedures dragged and dragged, things really picked up. Can't really see how anyone can get confused by this; the only thing the different "layers" of subplots did, if anything, was build up expense. Characterization was fine, if not functional and complimenting to the main protagonist/plot.

As great as the music is, I thought it was a little too grand and overbearing at times.

Great movie, have already seen it twice.

>>17673
You are not the only one sir. Many conversations talk about how "Teddy and Ellen go talk to scarecrow"

It has a lot to do with the fact that some names (ellen's character, chemist, forger) are weird, and most names are only said a couple of times. Add it to this and the lack of character development and you're left with a distinct tendency to forgetfulness. When I walked out the only name I remembered for sure was Arthur, because he was the best the best the best etc etc

>>17676
This.

The best part about the movie for me was the minutia of detail that Nolan has in all his films. While the plot was easy to follow if you kept up with it, his dedication to it was impressive. To quote a local newspaper review:
"You have to understand the monster work editing this screenplay was. Every edit, change, etc rippled throughout the story."
Which is cool enough, but when you begin to notice little things like When Ariadne is training making mazes, she attempts to show Cobb a maze she's working on, some big plaster thing. Cobb says if he sees it, her influence will fuck everything up. In the background, the model city she made is Cobb/Maul's limbo city., or whenCobb and Ariadne enter his destroyed limbo city, you can see the remnants of the exploding market/patio from the beginning of the movie in the overhead. and the rather straightforward fact that when Cobb explained the loop, one can see that there is no reality in the movie, but rather a never-ending loop of dream/influence/dream.

There was tons of stuff like that throughout the movie, and that's what really made it fuller for me than the lack of character development.

>>17678
Mine was more like "Juno and Dicaprio team up to fuck Scarecrow's brain. Also, Alfred is there."

>>17676
>suspense

I wonder what my friend, who's an aspiring cinematographer and has had a boner for this movie since he first heard about it, ultimately thought about this. Personally, I think you can't get much better than this visually without adding some sort of supernatural or psychedelic aspect to everything. Then again, I am a fan of Nolan's/WB's aesthetic in general.

I also wanna know just how much of this was CG, because I know Nolan likes to keep that to a minimum.

>>17696
At the end of it, I honestly could not tell what was real and what was CGI. So yes, it was minimalistic, realistic, and really fucking awesome.

I'm pretty sure the scenes in the hotel hallway were filmed on one of those freefall airplanes. The set had the right length and shape for an airplane's interior, and the way they were drifting against one side or the other was similar to how people behave on those planes.

Also, spoilers. So, the guy Michael Caine was playing, was he Cobb's father or father-in-law? Anyway, I have a suspicion that his presence in the end of the movie indicates that it really was a dream. Mostly because I think it's weird that he'd drop his teaching duties to fly from France to America just to greet Cobb when there was still a good chance that he'd see his son/son-in-law get arrested for murder charges as soon as he gets off the plane. I think it was still a dream and Cobb wanted a friendly face for his inevitably triumphant return. Also, fuck, maybe the whole movie was a dream and his wife was right. Screw you, Nolan. You've done enough open ended movies, give us some damn closure for once.

>>17704
It wasn't. It was an actual big-ass hallway that they built that they rotated around on a big rig. Apparently doing those fights on said rig was painful for the actors involved.

>>17704
Well, it was said earlier in the film that "grandpa" would be bringing the children gifts. And then Leo gave Caine the gifts.

So it's not a leap in logic to assume that Michael Caine was already going to America soon.

So, this movie was pretty fantastic and I absolutely recommend it. I do agree with others on the characterization faults, but the set up and execution of the multiple dream layers was just about perfect.

Also, I couldn't help but smile every time they cued up Nooooon, Je Ne Regrette Rien~

I loved the shit out of this movie. It felt like I had a dream where I did a lot of hard drugs with Leonardo DiCaprio.

Aw yeah, sneaking a kiss from Juno. Arthur is one smooth operator.

Saw it, but the a lot of times the dialogue sounded all mushy. I missed a bit of what people said because of the slurring. I can't decide if it was because the theater's sound was for crap or the movie's sound was for crap. Anyone else have trouble understanding what was being said?

>>17721
Seems like there was trouble hearing names, but that's it for me.

>>17721
That happens to me alot when I go out to see the movies. I have a much better time understanding dialogue when I'm watching on a smaller format.

Just saw it a few minutes ago. I enjoyed it greatly. I was probably most impressed with the fact that it managed to be so multi-layered without ever getting confusing or overly convoluted.

I actually shed a tear when Fischer pulled out the pinwheel from the safe, the one from the framed photo. Then I remembered that it was fake and a cruel trick by master manipulators literally pawing through his brain. Then I felt fucking sadder because this was what Fischer would give anything to believe -- a bajillionaire and he just wants Dad to remember him fondly. I sort of hate the main characters for twisting his mind like that. Is this more evidence that Cobb's final scenes are a dream, because the movie is saying that a warm lie is better than/as worthwhile as the cold truth?

God damn I finally saw this (dragged the man with against his will, he loved the movie anyway)

>>17801
God damn I finally saw this (dragged the man with against his will, he loved the movie anyway)

>>17801
Cobb did say positive emotions were better than negative ones. I hate you, Nolan. I wanted that top to fall so much. But we all know it's not real. Way too many signs pointing to every thing being unreal. To me, the most significant piece is the fact that his children do not look aged at all in the end. They seem to be the exact same size as they were in Cobb's memories. If he was taking various extraction jobs while trying to avoid extradition you'd think that would mean spending months or years away from his kids-- they should have grown up. :/

I'm okay with the lack of characterization - this is supposed to be a caper. Lots of players, more focus on the heist or job than the people. Although I would have liked to know more about Ariadne considering how easily she peeled through Cobb's defenses. ALSO if this is all Cobb's dream(s) than we're not shown more characterization of these people because his mind can't invent all of those backstories.

Finally...Worst effect was Old!Saito. The hallway hotel fight was pretty fuckwin.

Going to have to disagree with you guys on the whole Cobb is still dreaming. I watched a few times and in the real world Cobb never wears his wedding ring, while in the dream he has it on. In the last scene when he puts the top on the table, you can see that he isn't wearing the ring.

>>17823
>few times
How many times did you pay to see this movie?
Or are you one of those bastard commies who steal cars I mean movies

Just got back from seeing it, it was awesome and I want to see it again because I know I missed things.

Just got back from seeing this. Solid movie, very thought provoking, but not as mind blowing as everyone I knew was making it seem. Personally, I have three theories:

1) The entire film was a scenario crafted by DiCaprio's subconscious to help him come to terms with being the cause of his wife's death. This assumes that he was asleep even before the movie began. That's pretty much the theory everyone's already come up with, so I move on to:

2) DiCaprio's the client, and Arthur-- either as a favor to a friend or as a job-- agrees to help DiCaprio overcome his obsession with Mol and come to terms with her death. Everyone on the team except for DiCaprio is working with Arthur.

3) It's not a dream. We don't know how much time has passed between Mol's death and the opening of the movie. Given how quickly they were able to pull of their current job, and given that they have hours, even days to work in the dream world, it's reasonable that we could only be talking a span of months before the movie's events take place. This would explain why his kids haven't aged.

But I'm 90% certain it was all a dream, so #3 is more out there.

I got bored with it halfway in, to be honest. I usually like Nolan's films but I wasn't feelin' it here.

May like it more on rental. I'm weird and prefer to follow movies like this with the subtitles on.

>>17846
Alternate to your 1)The whole thing was a dream, there was no wife, he lives a boring life.
Alternate to your 3)It was a real job but instead of coming back from limbo, he went down another level. That's the one I like to think of.

>>17851
>>Alternate to your 3)It was a real job but instead of coming back from limbo, he went down another level. That's the one I like to think of.

Ah, I hadn't thought of that! And you know, that really makes sense because I think the two dreams with the old!Asian guy are, in fact, just separate scenes in the same dream. In which case, Leo's dream ends with him going to find the Asian guy, and the Asian guy's dream begins with him "waking up" in the real world. The constant references to a circular paradox by the Arthur character make this seem even more likely: in essence, Leo and the Asian guy are falling into each other's dream. As one loses control, the other takes over.

We interrupt this serious and endlessly circular argument to bring you:
Fuck yeah Arthur.

>>17857
Awaiting a "Son, I am disappoint" macro for Fischer and his dad

>>17858
Desperately searching for a screencap of suicide Mal for use in a "Swan dive into the best night of your life" macro

>>17824
Paid twice. Saw it 3 times.

>>17852
I was assuming that everything in between the two old!Saito scenes was a flashback for Cobb.

I am choosing to believe it wasn't a dream

Also I have a deep love for the side characters. Arthur and Eames uguu~~

  The entire movie was Batman dreaming he was Leonardo.

Shutter Island 2: What happens when the crazy guy is asleep.

Just came back! I thought it was a very creative movie. The ending made me feel... unsatisfied. I hate open-ended stories, and I really wanted some closure. While I do agree there are many good arguments as to why it was all a dream (the story was constructed to be that way, after all), I believe it wasn't a dream for a few reasons:

1.) Mal nor the children show up in "reality," while they pop up almost every time in the dream world (at least, I didn't see them anywhere in the "real" world).

2.) We never see the faces of the children in the dream world. They're always looking away, or Cobb would look away to prevent himself from seeing the faces. In what we assume is reality, we finally see them. Why the distinction?

3.) The interactions with the side characters. Whenever they go into a dream, the interactions with the projections are extremely limited, unless we count Mal who Cobb knew very well (and even then he said he couldn't capture her complexity). In what we assume is reality, the various side characters disobey him, they question him, they come up with complex strategies in the various layers (and we never see projections other than Mal move from one layer to the next, and even she doesn't seem to keep her faculties/memories/personality from one level to the next). It all points to his partners in crime being real people rather than projections.

As for the age of the kids, Cobbs hasn't seemed to age very much since his wife committed suicide. I'm thinking a year, maybe two tops has passed since the incident. It would also explain why there were still so many people after him; his crime was still fairly fresh news.

I'm so nerdy that I kept thinking about these throughout the second half of the movie. D:

>>17908
Preeeeety much.

>>17914
Fucking chem geeks.

I'm probably going to see it again..god I wish I could take notes in the theater (can't see shit in the dark, captain).

I do like the idea that rather than Cobb and Saito waking up, they remained within limbo and Cobb delved down another level. But fuck is that depressing as all get out. Still, all you need to have enough time is to dive far enough down.

Well I guess this picture explains it pretty well.

>>17721
I sort of felt like that, mostly when Saito (especially old Saito) was talking.

I thought about THIS pretty much the entire time.

And I have no regrets.

I come bearing pictures. Most of them explain the same exact thing, which I found to be the easiest thing to follow. But oh well.

Uh, spoilerific and NSFW, I guess.

If nothing else, I love the charts this movie has created.

Are people really having that hard of a time following the plot? It's a really straight forward and the movie provides cues to help you keep track through out the entire heist. Why the hell does anyone need a flow chart?

>>17913

This, plus the fact that the top wobbled, which we never see it do in the dreams, convinces me that Cobb was in reality, and that he did get a happy ending

>>17960
I actually don't personally know anyone who had a problem with it (including people who normally have issues following movies that aren't completely spoonfed). I think most of it is from the hype.

>>17960
One of the people who saw it with me didn't follow a smidgen of the dream shit, and when we went to dinner she described it to other people as a movie about a guy whose wife killed herself because she was having hallucinations from some drug and so he starts taking the drug and has hallucinations and flashbacks of like a dozen different places he's been to with all these people and then at the end he kills himself I guess and his kids are there so I'm guessing they died somewhere in there too, the wife probably killed them because their apartment was a mess when the guy found her.

>>17981
Life must be very hard for that woman.

>>17983
She thinks the Iron Man movies are Spider Man sequels. So yeah.

>>17981
I fuckin' lold. She has a bright future ahead of her.

I saw this on /sp/ and lol'd

>>17981>>17985
Wh-

Bu-

How...?

Terrible screencap not withstanding

Okay, I already said I wasn't too confused or puzzled by this movie, but I may have had it all wrong.

The entire film is Leonardo diCaprio's subconscious trying to wake him up, working continuously in infinite loops. The washing-up on the shore, the repeated chords of music at the first and final scenes, the kids wearing the exact same outfits, perched in the exact same positions as they had been throughout the movie, not having aged a day, the top wobbling but then keeping on, etc.

Mal is awake and in the real world. Limbo is supposed to be levels below, so it doesn't make sense a single kick would bust them out. They would need multiple kicks.

This part I'm not so sure about. Some versions of Mal are real - she's down in there trying to get him to wake up, and the other characters are also taking part in this whole made-up plot about Fisher, set up by Cobb's brain, to get him to wake up. Mal in limbo is a projection.

Or else Saito and Cobb died in limbo, everyone else was fine in the reality of the airplane, but ehhh I'm not so sure about this one.

>>18066
Another reason for why I believe this:
[spoiler]At one point in the film, when Cobb and Juno are at the cafe, it seems like a natural scene transition. BUT WAIT, the movie asks, how the heck did they get there? And suddenly they're dreaming.

The sudden scene transition to Barbossa (or wherever the hell) followed. No plane, no evidence of travel, suddenly Cobb is just there.

The side characters, Arthur, Juno, Scarecrow, etc. are all outside agents working in there, which is why they can argue and have their own ideas unlike other projections.[/spoilers]

>>18067
This is terrible. First off, Mombasa.
Second off, if it's true it eliminates the most emotional part of the movie, ie- Fisher's reconciliation with his father

>>18066>>18067
Yet they did not use Mr.Charles on Cobb

>>18072
eh, it just made sense to me. I mean, why are they orchestrating all these simultaneous kicks to get out of each dream level, when a single one, even from limbo, got Mal and Cobb out of limbo? But from the start of the film we see that a single kick takes you out of a single dream level, so it's obvious that Cobb never did enter reality, while Mal may have.

And that 'emotional point' or whatever was just set-up by the team, so... yeah.

>>18078
I assumed they were just going on with the elaborate role-play scenario in an attempt to reach him. God knows how long this shit has being on.

idk, this just seemed really simple and obvious to me but I have a tendency to think things entirely wrong! And I fucked up my last spoiler tag, oh well.

Just saw the movie tonight.

Yeah, I'm sticking with the simpler ending. Occam's Razor, yo.

>>18115
After seeing it a 2nd time, I've decided to believe Cobb does live in reality, and he did get to finally come home to his kids. It's just that Nolan deliberately wants to draw attention to the fact that Cobb's not entirely sure of reality. The wedding ring was a huge selling point for me.

Also, I was pretty shocked at this.

>>18113
Because there were no other higher dream levels when they were in limbo? Limbo death kicks you up to the next level. When Mal and Cobb were there there were NO higher dream levels, so they woke up in reality.
When Ariadne and Fisher got kicked, they kicked up one level to Eames' dream. If he hadn't been dreaming they would have been kicked up to Arthur's dream. Etc etc etc.

>>18119

Calling it now, ArthurxEames is the biggest pairing, next to CobbxAriadne.

>>18120
he said they just kept going down until they 'washed up on the shore of their own subconscious' (oh my GOD the script was ridiculous), so yeah, higher dream levels, they must have just kept hooking themselves up to the dream machines or whatever like everyone else does. the only reason the other people, arthur, eames, etc. are still 'awake' in the higher dream levels was to synch the kicks, mal and cobb didn't have anyone so just had to kick themselves. and the whole thing about limbo was that it's another level deep within a dream within a dream and shit

auugh why am i still talking about this damn movie

>>18121
man, where the hell did Arthur/Eames even come from? None of the side characters got much development, it just seems silly.

>>18113
Because Limbo is different.

>>18122
>The Straight Man and the Smart Ass

Obvious pairing is obvious.

Because women will always crave slash. I have no idea why, but being a woman myself, I am sometimes helpless to that slashy siren call.

oh god don't kill me guys
But seriously, Arthur/Eames is pretty piss poor in terms of canon evidence. I don't get it. And then there is the RPF involving JGL and Tom Hardy. I shudder.

>>18122

Look, it's more simple than you're trying to make it out to be. If you die in a dream, you wake up. If you die while under sedation in a dream, you go to limbo. The dangerous part about Limbo is that you can no longer tell reality from a dream (Cobb is the exception, because he was in Limbo so damn long). Nowhere is it stated that you can't exit Limbo the normal way (killing yourself) while under sedation. After all, you can't go to Limbo if you're already IN LIMBO, so the sedation effect doesn't work anymore.

>>18122
No see, they have to stay behind not to synchronize the kicks, but to dream the dream. If your architect goes down then the dream that you left your body in would crumble. Theoretically with no one else left to see the destruction it shouldn't matter.
Whatever the phrasing of how they got to limbo was stupid as fuck. The final decision I made is that they went down one dream level but were under sedation so that they could, I don't know, dream longer, dream deeper, something, and then they died and ended up in limbo.

Also Eames/Arthur bores me. So does Cobb/Ariblahblahfuckinblah. So does Arthur/Ariblahblahblah. Boring pairings are boring and predictable.

>>18131
But in the very first scene, when we go from Saito's dream to Cobb's to the train, we see Arthur die and wake up in Cobb's dream. One death = one dream level, not full wakefulness.

so basically this movie made no goddamn sense whatsoever.

Maybe instead of an actual separate place, "Limbo" is just a catch-all term for all of the dream layers so far down that time is effectively meaningless for the dreamers.

And maybe the "one level per death" thing holds true even for limbo, but if the dreams in the levels above you have already collapsed you just jump straight to the surface if you can.

>>18133
No no no no no no no

They weren't under sedation during that time. It was just a dream in a dream. It's if you die in a dream you knock up one level. If you die in Limbo you wake up. They couldn't enter limbo in that double dream because they weren't under strong sedation.