So, thoughts on the Metroid Series?I like the series and their music. I've recently played through Fusion, Zero Mission, and Prime almost done with Echoes.
Oh yeah, I got Metroid Prime Trilogy a few weeks back. Since I'm such a slow player and been occupied with TF2 and such I'm still not done with the first, but wow, these are awesome. Even the backtracking is fun!
[Obligatory "when are they going to do something different and access the true potential of the series, characters, and gameplay" comment]
>>88631They've already completed their master work, they should retire the setting, characters and everything.
>>88631>>88632I still say this series needs a crossover with the Cthulhu mythos.
2D metroid > FPS metroid
>>89243AGREED.
>>89243Well Fusion is certainly the best game in the series. In any case, isn't Other M supposed to be both?
I'm probably the only person who doesn't care for Super Metroid. Maybe because I didn't grow up with it.
>>89261>FusionYou mean Super, Right?
>>89261Also, No, Third person and First person, not 2d.
>>89270Haha no I don't mean AIMLESS BACKTRACKING: THE GAME.
>>89272Well then, okay.
Actually the best is Zero Mission but ok
I think we can all agree Echoes was shit.
>>89280Too short for my taste.>>89282Any Metroid where LASERS have Ammo is.
>>89284>implying lasers don't require a fuel source>implying Samus has ever used lasers
>>89282>>89284Oh dear. Soon finished with the first Prime, how bad is it? Skip-directly-to-corruption-bad?
I liked Echoes. I liked the multiplayer. I liked that you got to see OTHER PEOPLE, and see how Samus is viewed by a species other than space pirates (Metroids don't count). Ammo sucks, as does being tied to the light beacons or whatever. But it was trying new things. Some worked, some didn't.>>89292I could not get through Corruption. I stopped right at the first Space Pirate encounter. It's the controls. Turning is a bitch and a half and it's such a step down from Echoes, which was a step down from Prime.
>>89292I thought Echoes was a solid B and prime was a solid A. It doesn't spit in the face of anything the previous game did, and the ammo just gave me a tangible reward for shooting the crap out of everything. Levels are a touch bland at first, but that's about it.
Echoes was experimental. It didn't really WORK, but it was experimental. And the music went down the shitter for some reason.Corruption had the fight with Rundas, one of my favorite boss fights of all time.
>>892922 is okay, 3 is the worst.>>89289Beams are Lasers, you hush.
>>89292It's considered the worst of the 3 cause it just has annoying mechanics and bosses. I'd give it a shot cause some people really enjoy it, but if you don't like it after a short time playing then you should probably skip it cause it doesn't really improve later on.
>>89299Agreed. B-, maybe, but agreed everywhere else. I agree with Growlbro (>>89300) about the music, although I had a friend who was really into it.But I think we can all agree that Echoes had one of the best suit designs of the series. And I totally kicked ass in Multiplayer.SPAM THAT BOOST BALL!
Some Echoes morph balls, just because.Have you ever noticed that from the front the morph ball looks like Samus' helmet?Do you think Samus' name might be Irish in origin? Like... Some sort of Space Irish?
Echoes had one of the best boss fights.I mean, look at this fucker. General consensus says it's at least as tall as Kraid. At least.
>>89356 >IrishApparently you're not far off.>"The name Samus is the female variant of the name Seamus, which is Celtic for James, which means: "He who supplants." Her last name of Aran may refer to the Aran Islands on the west coast of Ireland. Combining the two gives the meaning: "She who supplants an island" or "She who conquers an isolated area by force." Pronunciation of the name over the years has varied from either SAMUHS A-RUHN (as in the verb "run"), A-RAHN (using the "CAT" vowel for the first two As and the verb form of "ran"), but it wasn’t until the release of Metroid Prime 3: Corruption that pronunciation of her name was finally cemented as SAMUHS ERR-EN, and it is likely to remain this way since. "http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Samus_Aran
>>89371If Samus' family had won against the pirates, we would be playing a completely different game.Actually, not that different. Replace Ninja with Chozo and any differences are purely cosmetic.
The great thing about Metroid Prime was that everyone thought it was going to be total shit. The first build previews looked awful, Retro Studios was a smalltime developer that had just gutted its staff and canceled other games in development. People were laughing at the controls and lock on combat when it was announced. It was pretty shocking when the game started getting all 9's and 10's from review sites. The game also gets more beautiful as you progress, where most games will usually feature the first couple levels to draw you in and tail off. The music is fantastic and Retro was able to incorporate a lot of Metroid specific gameplay elements like exploring and the morph ball. Played Echoes, but it just didn't have the same magic Prime 1 did. Never played 3 because I have no Wii.
>>89379>ninja>chozoPsst. You are aware that according to Japanese myth. Ninjistu was taught to man kind by Bird-People called Tengu right?Think about that. Bird people.
I remember a lot of people having problems with the controls when Prime first came out. I didn't really get it, since the controls are basically the same as in Ocarina of Time, just in first person view and with a jump button.
>>89410Prime was released in a time where most people were adjusting to the dual analog stick aiming for consoles so it's somewhat understandable. Though they were simple to get used to so I think most were probably just bitching it didn't play like other FPS's at the time.
>>89414Indeed, instead it played like one of the only good console shooters ever.
Okay, started with Echoes today. Haven't played much, but doesn't yet see what's the big problem with it is, just seems like new levels so far.Also, you feel terribly crippled going from beating one metroid game to starting another without all your upgrades.
>>89478Yeah, it takes a little while to get bored with it.
>>89478I got as far as the multiple-missile lock on thing before never touching it again.
Im going to post Story boards! and sanctuary fortress is the best area in any metroids game ever
>>89478I'm replaying it right now, as well. And I do agree with the guys about the lasers being fucking bullshit. It wouldn't be so bad if defeating enemies with the lasers would actually yield ammo of the opposite ones. But wasting 15-20 shots of one laser to get 5 for the other is just fucking stupid and annoying.The boss fights are really fun as usual, though. Except for Boost Guardian, of course. But I even beat him on the first try.
>>89577So let me get this straight: All the beam power ups now have limmited ammo, like missiles?
>>89578Only in Echoes, which is frustrating because the Beam-Missile combos in it are amazingly cool/powerful compared to the first Prime game.
>>89580Then I know someone who's going to beat that game Power beam only, as far ast it's possible, anyway. Fucking hate conserving ammo.
I'm not the only one here watching slowbeef's LP of this, right? He and Diabeetus are the best LP team this side of the Freelance Astronauts. Plus, Ridley jokes. So many Ridley jokes.
>>89582Y'know, I watch their Retsupuraes, I've never actually seen any of their Let's Plays...
>>89582Where do I go to actually watch this?
>>89595http://bd.baldurk.org/lp/75The Echoes LP is awesome, the amount of times slowbeef has changed his opinon fromb "FUCK THIS GAME!" to "Well this game is alright" is hilarious
Okay, I reached the Spider Guardian. I take back everything about this game not being so bad. I must have repressed my memories of this bastard. Fuck this asshole! FUCK HIM!!
I didn't realize they'd stop making trilogy!Now I can't find it at all.Curse my lack of funds until just now.
>>89658They what?Goddamn it.
>>89581AGREED.That's why this isn't a really good Metroid game, Samus does NOT conserve fucking Beam ammo, THERE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE BEAM AMMO.
>>89658 >>89659Does your budget/want allow importing? The site were I brought it still have lots of it.
>>89658Yeah, they stopped making Trilogy after like fourth months. I was "lolwat", then went out and bought a used copy.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-metroid-other/703717TL;DW- Script is lousy.- Game is gorgeous- Controls are good if not strange- is 10 hours of gameplay enough for you?
>>91166As in, ten hours to complete the story, or ten hours to get 100%?
>>91166 With a samus that sounds entirely bored with everything she talks about.
>>91166Jesus, every single line of dialogue in that video was wretched.
>>91166See, this is why when Nintendo makes games, they don't have much dialogue.
http://g4tv.com/games/wii/61992/Metroid-Other-M/review/* She actually thought Samus was a good character before Other M.* She's somehow offended by the fact that Samus can feel emotions.* She hates the fact that her CO gives her orders.Metroid fans confirmed for retardation.
So basically it has a sucky storyline but has awesome game play?Not bad for a trial run. Hopefully in the future they can learn from there mistakes.
tbh, this response is a bit OOC, even if she's shocked about him being alive.
The lack of the level of atmosphere I got from the rest of the series is kinda a turnoff for me.But I still want to try it.
>>91202 It'd help if they showed just how emotionless her feelings are but it would help if she didn't project so much of her supposed like of the character in the review. Samus has always been nothing more than an emotionless suit that grunts in pain so I guess Ninja didn't want to stray too far from the mold in that regard.
>>91202 >G4
>>91256No! Don't say that, that's the one thing I was hoping for!
>>91255Wow, that's... painful. Fuck characterization, that's just clunky and lame on its own.
>>91255when did samus become a crybaby?also lol at making her visor clear so they can show her kawaii uguu~ expressions
>>91255>"DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO TREAT A LADY?!"
So....why is everyone acting like this game has Samus OOC? The official comics have her act the same.
>>91319It's not really the story I'm worried about.It's the atmosphere and exploration that has me befuddled.
>>91319I couldn't care less about story/characterization. I just want the japanese to actually understand that the reason it appeals to the rest of the world is because of the atmosphere and worlds it creates. Now, I remain hopeful that it's just my imagination/Team Ninja going "It's as non-linear as Fusion" clouding my visions of how exploratory this game is, but if other people start noticing it, then rest assured this will quickly remain the series' weakest link.
>>91328Nothing could be worse than 2 and Prime 2. Which were still good, but not great.
>>91329
>>91319I don't know about OOC, but WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS
>>91329I really liked Prime 2 a lot. After figuring out that containers count as enemies too I didn't even mind the beam ammo.Also >>91330 is the second worst game I've ever played.
>>91364And the worst?
I guess the main grief over Other M is that the feeling of solitary is pretty much gone. Which is the thing that made the series.
>>91365Magna Carta. Some Korean RPG. It was a terrible, terrible game.
>>91319 Uh no, in the manga it's before she gets the suit that she acts like that, after she gets the suit and overcomes her fear she doesn't react like that at all against Ridley.
>>91371Seriously, it's a main plot point.
Samus, I think, was a much cooler character when she was an unknown. She never had a reason to speak, isolated on an alien planet with nothing but a badass space suit and a vaguely defined mission to kill things.We knew bits of her past (a blonde, human woman raised by alien bird people) but it was the mystery of her character that let us imagine her as well pleased. She was a badass killing machine but beyond that was where her character was left open to interpretation.Giving Team Ninja, whose writing can be seen in the largely nonsensical Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive franchises, was probably not the best choice as the people to fill in her backstory and grant a defined voice. It's extremely difficult to make a long-established character, when fully fleshed out, as interesting as the fans had imagined them... Team Ninja had no hope of even breaking even in that respect. In other words, they failed at an admittedly tough job.Look at the Zero Suit backlash from Brawl for a further example of this: character development must be handled carefully when the character in question is already an old favorite but has been minimally defined. The mystery was more interesting than the answer, and the more we see of Samus's design the less compelling it becomes.
Okay, played a bit of Super Metroid, just to have played it at least once. Man, this game is WAY overrated. This is probably the least fun I ever had playing a videogame. Stopped playing shortly after defeating Kraid. Shitty controls and completely nonsensical secret passageways that are required to move on killed off my enjoyment of this entirely. I do admit that it has awesome graphics, though.
>>91367>magna cartafffff i erased that shithole from my mind damn you for reminding me
>>91371>>91418I just re-read and stand corrected.
>>91421Agreed. Also this is why Valve should never unmask Pyro.
Of all the ways to take Metroid and Samus...why this?Has anyone anywhere been asking for this?Beuller?
Team Ninja only knows how to make two female characters.1: Helpless, squealing, doe-eyed retardsOh wait it's just one.
>>914392. Angsty tsudere jailbait.
>>914433. Americans.
>>914444. Bitches
This seems to be similar in design layout to that Tomb Raider game that came out for consoles a little while back.
I just watched 'that' cutscene and what's worse than turning her into a wuss that needs black-up to save her from something that she should be well experianced in fighting and killing is the fact the cutscenes goes to such lengths to exploit her for cheap fanservice (her armour fizzing away so easily so we get the 'pleasure' of being able to ogle her in her catsuit, all in the middle of supposedly a serious scene)
Guess I can continue not caring about my lack of a Wii then.
>>91443>>91444>>91452Those are nice archetypes, but as soon as the shit goes down, it's UGUUUUUU!!!!!
>>91421Yeah man Samus should be quiet and badass liek Mastah Chief, all that backstory and shit is boring and gets in the way of alien zappan
>>91502 What the hell kind of point are you trying to make here?Randomly having a person break down in the face of an old enemy for no reason is not good character development.
>>91504theyre probably an anime fan so they think that is good char. dev.
>>91510>implying all anime = Naruto BAWWFESTShit even HOTD which is mostly fanservice has more interesting character drama than that shit without becoming lolwutohyeah Metroid sorry. I liked Fusion and found Prime boring. Finished it once and never touched it.
>>91597All in all, Anime does tend to be over dramatic.
>>91502You know it does bro
>>91504It's fucking Ridley.Dude killed her parents and friends, has been a thorn in her side for years, kidnapped the Metroid she pratically adopted, and won't fucking die.
>>91722 That's no reason for her to completly lose the ability to fight something she's killed before while Ridley just sits and roars at her, and then get slung around and have her clothing disappear while getting saved by some grunt.
It should've been uncontrollable rage, not pants-shitting fear.
I'm torn on the issue.On the one hand, it was pulled off in a really lame way, I think. If the pants-shitting fear had just lasted for a couple of moments before she blindly charged Ridley, I'd accept that. Appreciate it, maybe even.But it didn't. It lasted an awkwardly long time.On the other hand, pants-shitting fear is an appropriate emotion to be shown here. Imagine some guys kills your parents, but you survive. You grow up, find him, and slice his throat, and watch him die. You move on with your life.SUDDENLY HE IS BACK AGAIN.You shit yourself, maim his jugular, and shoot up up a few times, again, watching him die. Then shooting him a few more times in the face just to be a sure.A few more years later, you encounter him again.You blow his head off with a shotgun and dropkick the dead body into a volcano. All is well.A few more years later, he's back, and he's slowly walking towards you with a knife, grinning(Ridley seems like he'd be grinning in that scene, if he could).I dunno about you bros, but I'd be shitting full-size replicas of every fucking pyramid in Egypt.But again, the pants-shitting lasted an awkwardly long time and really was just poorly pulled-off.
After all the rage in this thread over that cutscene I don't dare to watch it.Also, on the subject of echoes, despite how terrible ideas beam ammo and exactly-the-same-but-different dark-world are I'm still thoroughly enjoying it. And dat music, man, dat music.
>>91742Told ya
I miss long haired Samus.
>>91763What the fuck is that shit, now cheesecake artists are even ruining old Metroid fuck you Nintendo this is all because of your fanservice Zero Suit shit classic Metroid would have never done that./sarcasm
>>91730By the fourth or fifth time, it's not really a surprise when he comes back anymore.
>>91781That doesn't meant you WANT him to come back.
>>91802Doesn't mean you're scared of him anymore either.Oh look, you're alive AGAIN. I am SO shocked by this. You wouldn't even believe!
Everyone's "Ideal Samus" is usually a character that would be considered generic if male.
>>91818...Hmm...
>>91818Well, yes. The more generic and nondescript a character is, the better the immersion.
>>91830"..."
>>91830See: Most porn and romance stories.
>>91830HAHA OH WOW
>>91828 God that whole concept for this game was retarded
>>91834It's no worse than her just happening to find extra weapons for her secret Chozo battle suit EVERYWHERE SHE GOES.
>>91835 YesYes it isBy farShe HAS the equipment but won't use them even to save her life because...some guy says so? Is Samus braindead in this game?
>>91811I think it would be very therapeutic being able to murder your family's killer over and over and over again.
>>91835The suit is tailor made to accept foreign upgrades.It's the FUTURE future.
Niggly plot complaints aside, I like how Other M gives a justifiable reason for Ridley to be involved, rather than just, "RIDLEY 'S BACK NIGGA DEAL WITH IT"The fact that it also explains how the Federation could somehow have his body wholly intact in deepfreeze during Fusion, after Zebes was blown to hell is just the icing on top.And his baby form was waaay cuter than it had any right to be.
>>92103 I'm all for weird alien biology, and I can definitely see the resemblance in his middle stage, but that first stage... well, this image sums up my thoughts perfectly.
Hai guis miss me?
>>92103Cute babby Ridley? I NEED PICTURES, NOW!
>>92133I had no trouble with you. That fucking spider on the other hand...
WHAT IF...
>>92138Fuck the spider, yes. Nightmare was easy yeah but oh god he lived up to his name.>>92140The lack of a real sequel to Fusion just irritates the hell out of me. Partly because I want more Fusion suit shenanigans, and because Fusion ended on such a damn bombshell. I don't care about Samus' daddy issues, I want her, HAL 90- Adam, and their newly adopted family of Etecoons and Dachoras on the run from Galactic Federation while saving the universe. GIVE ME THIS NINTENDO.
>>92142This. You moved the plot forward, ended with an enormous cliffhanger, and then decided to make INTERQUELS FOR THE LAST DECADE. Not that I didn't like Prime, but good god, Nintendo.
>>92134:3c
>>92206Wat? Is THAT a space dragon child? I am confuse.
>>91818>Everyone's "Ideal Samus" is usually a character that would be considered generic if male.Wait, so... it was better that we got a character that is considered generic when female?
>>92245No, what he's saying is DOUBLE STANDARDS
>>91772Oh come on. Before that damn blue suit showed up I never ran into Samus porn. Ever since it appeared it's all steadily gone downhill. It's like I've been watching a character assassination in real time. Of course it could be just as simple as there never being a N64 metroid game.
>>92251Really? Because it seems like to me he's using the Double Standards argument as a way to lazily excuse poor writing and bad characterization.
>>92252>> Before that damn blue suit showed up I never ran into Samus porn....Wait, what?
>>92252> Before that damn blue suit showed up I never ran into Samus porn. HAHAHAHAHA
>>92252Okay, the Zero Suit did cause an EXPLOSION of Samus porn, but you'd have to be stupid to think it wasn't around before.
>>92260Wait, THAT'S porn to you?...THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH!!!
>>92261Or it could just be a picture depicting Samus as sexy because I don't have any actual porn.
>>92262Adrianne Andrews?
>>92252>implying the existence of porn can ruin a character
>>92261You have the dumb hard on this one Spam, some of us don't want to save porn, hard to believe, I know.
>>92260I like the American flag on her arm.
>>92276I was thinking Quistis, but they're more or less clones.
Bought Other M today and played it for a good five hours. Tomorrow I'm going back to the store to return it and get Metroid Prime Trilogy instead. Seriously, fuck this game.
>>92332Can you even do that? They stopped making trilogy, so I can't even find it.
>>92333It's still in stores where I live (The Netherlands) and the store I got Other M from has a 24 hour return policy as long as the game isn't for PC.
Oh no, my rate for item collection was only 51%
Also, the Other M was really Other Mother?
>>92641I don't see any buttons for eyes
>>92641
What was that thing where Samus stubbed her toe and lost all her powers?Was that a comic or a flash animation?
>>92730I think it was a VGCats comic. But...I also remember voice acting...uhhh...fuck, I don't remember either.
>>92733>>92730This took me the better part of two hours to find. You had better be thankful.
>>92748That's not it at all.
>>92748 I always wondered what would happen if the villain just tampered with samus' equipment as it flew off her on her arrival. Same big elaborate plot that she would undermine but focus on putting a virus or something in the entirety of her suit that when she tries to fight the final boss he just pushes a button and suddenly she can’t unball form.
So I showed my friend Metroid Other M: The movie.I didn't realize playing one video in theatre mode would play the entire thing. It really is like watching a movie.So many attacks I didn't realize I could use on bosses!
>>92748>comic readan>11th panel>"Amazing. You are totally unfappable.">wait wut>"Amazing. You are totally unflappable.">Oh
I thought concentration and dodge would make the game boring, but it was actually pretty exciting when you only have 0 health fighting a boss and need enough time to heal.It's like "Oh god, he's coming, hurry! HURRY!"Nice of the health to stop at 0/1 like that.
REMEMBER ME, SAMUS?WHEN I KILLED YOUR MOTHER?I TALKED...JUST...LIKE....THIIIIIS!
>>93068Why am I hearing this in the voice those Retsu Purae guys give him?
Seriously though, what the fuck is the deal with the high heels? Also, how is that in the game she doesn't even look like this? Did they really have to make her more anime moe looking, and even add a beauty mark?
>>93116Although, now that I think about it, in the game they were even worse. And yet, she was still like 5 feet tall for some reason, even in power-armor.
>>93118Gotta love that self insert too, subtle.
>>93116I shouldn't miss the slightly masculine chin but I do.
>>93127Metroid Prime Samus is the best Samus
So, whats your opinion on that recent interview in which Nintendo claims that Samus does not take money from the different jobs.So, she was never really a bounty hunter at all, apparently. Retcons galore.
>>93134Gotta love this other retcon
>>93134How exactly do you retcon a character's occupation after they've been around almost 25 years? Can we just get rid of Sakamoto already, he's killing everything.
>>93134 So how do they now explain her making a living if she doesn't earn money from her hunts?
>>93139>>93140Magic?
Maybe Samus is more like a Specter now, or some government funded mercenary.
>>93143>>Metroid/Mass Effect crossover...FUND IT.
>>93143 Becoming a merc is basically the same as a bounty hunter, it's still fighting for money and generally not a noble life to live.
>>93145Essentially Sakamoto's fucking retarded and needs to stop trying to make Samus into his paragon of virtue, so kawaii moe uguu~ waifu.
Nah, basically what Nintendo was saying was that Samus is some sort of Superhero in space now. Although, I have no idea how she gets money for her suit, spaceship, meals, etc.
>>93147Isn't it obvious?She has to ask for them.
>>93149Oh you
>>93141I can't stop laughing
>>93141You missed this one
Characterwise, she's the same as she is in the manga. SStorywise it's decent enough, although more like Mass Effect than Fusion or Prime (which are tied for the height of the series). The gameplay itself is fan-dabbity fabulous as far as I'm concerned.
>>93199 Have you actually read the manga?
>>93202Yes.
http://screwattack.com/videos/TGO-Episode-40-Heavens-to-MetroidOooooooooooooh boy.
>>94005>what'sgoingon/awshit.jpg
>>94005THE SHITSTORM IS STRONG WITH THIS ONE.also why didnt he bring up the heelswhy didnt he bring up the heels
>>94022Because he was just like the people he criticized: utterly dismissive of people with an opinion different from him.I had to stop listening when he did the "fake gasp" during the bit about Adam.
>>94005I wish people would stop saying "Stuff that just happens to be compatible with her suit". This is the future, her suit makes stuff compatible.
>>94024>Fail to actually listen to his whole argument>Accuse HIM of being dismissive
>>94026
>>94027I'm sorry, did he actually get less pompous and overbearing as the video went on? If so, I will freely retract my statement.
>>94038 Depends on how much pomp you can handle. He really needs to get over his irrational hatred of FPS games if he seriously thinks Other M is better than Prime by not being a FPS.
>>94039So you don't prefer some genres to others?
>>94051 Okay, you got me there.
>>94039Bob doesn't hate FPS, he hates how choked that the genre has been by SPACE MAHREENS and generic military shooters A FEELING SHARED BY MORE THAN A FEW.I.E. He just would rather have Metroid be more like the classic sidescrollers instead of just another space shooter.
>>94038If you actually believe that Other M is some sort of misogynistic conspiracy, you deserve to be mocked a bit.
>MoviebobIts that the guy who irrational hates Halo, and is massive weeaboo? I though it was funny how he praised the Halo anime for its story and characters, saying that the west should learn from it. Which is funny because most of that stuff came from the games and novels themselves.Even more hilarious how he said that western games are nothing but space marines, in the same month or so in which tons of western games that have nothing to do with that came out. He is like a more opinionated and retarded Spoony, but far less funny.
>>94053You could say the same thing about Japanese RPGs being filled with teenage androgynous characters, wielding ridiculous weapons.It not really true, but you could make a compelling argument in order to troll people.
>>94062Are you seriously denying that FPS are inundated with that shit? Games like the -shock series are the exception, in the likely instance that you don't actually play the genre.
>>94065Which, by the way, is not to say that JRPGs aren't filled with androgynous characters wielding insane weapons. They absolutely are. There's still exceptions though.
>>94065>>94067Yeah, thats what I said. There is the occasional games like Prey, Stranger's Wrath, Perfect Dark, Fallout, and Bioshock, but for the most part is military marine sort of stuff.Although, I don't know how much variety you can really do with a genre that is about shooting shit, in a first person view.And yeah, JRPGs and its obsession with teenage boys that look like little girls, or teenage girls that look like little boys, and yet can use a swords and the like the size of small cars, continues. But there is also a few exceptions there too. And think we can both agree that developers no matter what country they are from will continue to do what sell the more games, no matter how cliché it is.
>>94070And nobody argued that. In fact, the whole FPS conversation is more or less irrelevant, since the point of the video was that "Other M is not a character-murdering travesty, calm the fuck down."
>>94072Except it is a character murdering travesty filled with horrible plotting, and this guy defending it while bashing the Prime games only emphasizes more his "weeaboo FPS hating tendencies".http://www.destructoid.com/metroid-other-m-s-story-fails-on-so-many-levels-183310.phtml
>>94075There's no character to murder. She barely ever said shit or did anything beyond what the player punched in.
>>94076Did you read the article?At least read the thing about Vader.
>>94076Even if that where the case, there is no excuse to supplement a lack of character with a poor one.
I think this sums up my feelings pretty nicely. >But an hour or two of less painful gameplay can’t make up for the bad design choices at this game’s core. It especially can’t make up for what Other M has done to Samus as a character. She’ll forever be trapped in my mind as a whiny, talkative child who is too willing to give up her freedom and too petulant to be likable. Metroid: Other M is the most disappointing Nintendo release in quite some time and a blemish that isn’t likely to be forgotten on an otherwise superb franchise.
>>94078I did read the article. I disagreed with it on some points, and agree on others. He's totally right about the overuse of narration, but then there's stuff like this:>The flashbacks reveal just how much of a selfish brat Samus once was, pouting and giving the thumbs down during mission briefings. She left the Galactic Federation because she couldn't grasp the difficult choices Adam had to make on a regular basis. Basically, the trigger for Samus's decision to become a bounty hunter was not some altruistic higher calling but an act of defiance against "daddy." We are meant to appreciate how much Samus has matured since then, but these scenes only serve to sour our perceptions of her character, perceptions that we've held for over two decades.When was it ever implied she because a bounty hunter out of altruism? In fact, why would BOUNTY HUNTER be the choice of an altruistic person at all?
>>94081Didn't you hear? Nintendo said that Samus doesn't take money from the different jobs she takes.
Metroid: Other M - Sometimes, maybe, you shouldn't third party it.Also, again, the ham handed nature of the story delivery is what kills it, not so much it's content.
Personally I find the gameplay a fucking blast. Storywise I think it's fine, but suffers from huge presentation issues.
I disagree with everyone in this thread and thing that Other M is not only a great game, but a great story, and probably one of the few reasons somebody like me would even consider owning a wii.
>>94084The game mechanic are clumsy, but somewhat enjoyable.The story and characterization however is just absolute trash, its like he tried to be Kojima, but failed miserably.
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>>94086Well gee buddy, your excellent debate skills sure won me over, let me just change my opinion now.
>>94022My guess is because the heels don't matter.SHE OWNS MORE THAN ONE PAIR OF SHOES, BURN THE WITCH!
>>94089That was my guess.
>>94082Nintendo also says that Samus wouldn't kill the last Metroid because her biological clock kicked in. And if she DOESN'T take money, how the hell does she make a living?
I laugh at how people are calling Bob (the guy who has cited fucking TYPEFACE as a favorite character and is a demonstrably huge filmbuff) a GRORIOUS NIPPON SUPERIOR TO ALL weaboo just because he doesn't like FPS and disagrees on their BAAW RUINED FOREVER assessment.
>>91202I'll say it again.>>91202
>>94105Nobody thought your opinion was worth noting the first time around, Moe. What makes you think that's changed?
A few dropped plot threads, overused (and poorly acted) narration, and the crying scene, spread throughout good gameplay. Rough, but we've all seen worse, including in this series.
I find it odd that Nintendo had already rejected the whole super high heels idea before, and yet brought back for some reason. Also, why is that Samus in this game is always like two feet shorter than everyone else, even in power-armor or those ridiculous high heels? I mean, I though she was supposed to be like six feet tall without it. >>94104Uh, I think it has more to do with the fact that he constantly bashes western games and developers, and claims that western games are exclusively about space marines, while Japan never fall to clichés or tired mechanics.Just watch his review of Halo Legends, and you will understand. Pure trolling material, or retardedness. Although, maybe he just was trying to be humorous, but failed miserably. I just don't know.
>>94111I don't think he (or indeed, most any reviewer) has ever SERIOUSLY claimed "ALL SPACE MARINES, NOTHING ELSE."
>>94005I hate to break it to ya'll but if you get past his occasionally hypocritical and overbearing personality (which could help in terms of argument here) he's right. On some level.The fact that Samus is a badass bounty hunter who shoots aliens and jumps around while at the same time having emotional insecurities and doubt DOES technically make her better than just being a blank slate (or a presumed "stoic ice queen heroine"). The problem is, of course, that the story is just poorly told.But being a guy who doesn't mind Bayonetta's story, I don't really see "bad storyline" being a negative quality to an action game. I understand that stories are suppose to make you empathize with characters or advance a plot in unique ways, but unlike RPG's which are geared towards having more boring, blank, number crunching aspects for gameplay (so they basically require a good story to keep your attention) action games tend to be more about putting you in interesting locations and having you go wild with the opponents/environments. Plot is really just a garnish at that point, nice if it's well done but it should only really affect your meal if you focus too much on it.And the fact nobody has brought up this game's... ya know. Gameplay. Is kinda making me think people are being a WEE BIT IRRATIONAL about all this.
>>94114Except, he did.This is guy is like Yahtzee, but far less funny, so his opinions are obviously not to be taken seriously.
>>94116You're claiming that a guy literally believes that Western developers have nothing to them but Space Marines. This would require him... well it would require for him not to have made about half of his previous Game Over Thinker videos. Hell, it would require for him not to have made this one, where he praises Bioshock (which he's previously cited as one of his favorite titles). This all just speaks of you being incredibly asshurt about that Halo Legends review, Other M, or both.
>>94117He praised Halo Legends, bro
>>94117All I'm getting is that this guy is either bipolar or a huge hypocrite, because he contradicts himself within a single review.
>>94116Actually, that's what really struck me about his review. He acts like a pompous asshole like Yahtzee, only he leaps to defend gaming corporations rather than tearing them new ones.
>>94118He praised only two episodes and said the rest of it was crap. And one of those was the parody.
I like how nobody is talking about the video that's actually relevant to the conversation. Who gives a damn about some halo video he made, it doesn't affect the validity or lack thereof of this one. Either refute his arguments, support his arguments, or get off the topic entirely, just stop being such fucking bitches about the whole thing.
>>94121Well to be fair.The Toei animated short from Halo legends WAS The best of the bunch...
>>94111Those don't really look any 'higher' than my dress shoes.
>>94125Yeah, now compared them to the ones from Other M>>94086
>>94125But why even have them in the first place? She's fighting alien monsters, not going out for diner...or is she...
>People actually listening to the equivalent of internet troll with a camera.
>>94127Don't they just go inside the suit anyway, making the whole choice irrelevant?
>>94128You keep saying that, and have yet to actually bring up any of his specific arguments. Moe King Tripfag has literally added more to this conversation than you have.
Guys, guys, I've got this CRAZY idea:Is it possible that BOTH sides of this overall argument have valid points? That maybe it's not an all or nothing, us or them, correct or incorrect deal?
>>94129Not really, because her suit now has high heels as well. >>94131Considering the writing and Samus as a character in the new game were pretty terrible...
>>94134-Used to be bratty idealist, has grown to understand the choices her commander was forced to make.-Years upon years of ripping and tearing through aliens are starting to take their toll.These are the two major additions of the game to the mostly blank slate that was Samus, and neither fails to make a whole lot of sense far as I can see.The whole BAAAW scene with Ridley WAS stupid and the narration needed to either dial it back or get a better VA though.
I think this game could have worked if they had turned down a bit the melodrama, and most importantly made it a prequel of sorts.As it stance in the timeline however, it just makes no sense at all and its pretty insulting to the character and her fans.
See this is something I'm confused on: when the hell is this game taking place? I haven't gotten it yet, but before it came out it was supposed to be all about her years in the army, but apparently all of those parts are just flashbacks?
>>94139 It takes place after Super Metroid, meaning that its the second to last game in the timeline. Which is one of the reason why she loosing her shit when fighting Ridley for like the fifth time, and still being an emotional and social stunted character with daddy/love issues, pissed off a lot of fans. I think giving Samus a more detailed personality and actual voice was a good idea, the execution was atrocious through.
>>94140Technically we knew that she still had issues with Adam from Fusion, and if I'm understanding the story right (I admit, I didn't pay much attention), she hasn't seen him since before Zero Mission/Metroid 1?
>>94131>Is it possible that BOTH sides of this overall argument have valid points?
At this point I can't tell who is kidding and who isn't.
I guess some people simply can't handle that their favorite character is not like what they originally imagined. I mean, apparently Darth Vader is really whinny brat under that helmet, Dante was skinny punk from 80s, and Samus is Bella Swan is space.
>>94147>Dante was skinny punk from 80sTo be fair, we all did things we'll regret in the 80s.
I think the reason Samus is crying about Ridley is actually "ARE OUR WRITERS SO TERRIBLE THAT THEY HAVE TOO KEEP BRING YOUR STUPID ASS BACK?"Also baby Ridley wat.
>>94149Being born at the top of the list.
>>94131Considering the main beef of the arguments are based on opinion...no one is right...or wrong for that matter.
Clearly Samus was raped by Ridley during the events of Super Metroid.
God, I wish people would just shut the fuck up about the Ridley scene and this "it's sexist-except-not-really" nonsense. The way people bitch and moan, I half expect to replay the game and see Adam burst into the room to save a frantically sobbing violated moeblob Samus while yelling "YOU ARE NOW AUTHORIZED TO SUCK MY COCK AND MAKE ME A SANDWICH, WOMAN" while the game disc literally comes to life and murders my family.I mean, I can get why people are upset, but it's at the point where I can't go anywhere videogame related without someone having to bring it up.
>>94163It will forever haunt Metroid games from now on, get used to it. >>94151Seriously, what the fuck...
Other M is god tier just for Baby Ridley.
>>94163Sexism? Who cares about sexism?I just want her to not be afraid when she faces an enemy she fought many times before. But I still have yet to play the game, so my viewpoint is mostly uninformed at this point.
>>94171I choose to take it more as "fuck this shit, I'm done" even though that's obviously not what was intended. Seriously goddamn just let Ridley FUCKING DIE.
>>94165This is why Space Pirates aren't allowed to keep pets.
Well, we had the pretentious overbearing douchebag argument FOR Other M, I think it's now time to hear the pretentious overbearing douchebag COUNTERPOINT.http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2015-Metroid-Other-M
Can We take a break at raging at Other M to rage about Echoes instead for a while? Because fuck the spider guardian, seriously fuck him.
Well this thread is a bit of a mess. It's a good thing I don't care about this series, or else I'd probably be stuck in it with the rest of you. Fortunately, I DON'T give a shit about it, and am able to shake my head in disappointment at all of you for failing to stay calm in the face of a fucking videogame and conflicting opinions on it.
Well something good came out of this.I'm getting Dead Riseing 2 insteed!
>>94366>It's a good thing I don't care about this series, or else I'd probably be stuck in it with the rest of you. Oh but Rodyle, you always have been. >>85509Be careful when you ride those high horses, you know?
>>94382I fail to see how this proves anything other than he hates people bitching endlessly about inconsequential shit only a fanboy would bitch about.Be careful on that stupid horse, I hear it only rides into Dumbville, abloo bloo bloo.
>>94382I just hate it when people bitch about nothing, my entire experience with the franchise consists of Fusion, the manga, and about 5 minutes of Corruption. Now if it's hypocrisy you want, wait until the next time Fire Emblem becomes relevant to discussion, THEN I shall engage in much impotent bitching.
>>94384Allow me to walk you through it, Anonymous, given that I am fairly charitable to the terminally stupid.>Rodyle: Good thing I don't even care about this series or else I'd be stuck arguing with the rest of you>Spends months bitching about people bitching about the series>HOLY SHIT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO IT!Just because he jumps to the defense of the game developers doesn't mean he's not contributing to the bitch-fest. It takes two to do this dance.>>94385Nobody bitches about "nothing." You're just mad that they're complaining about things you don't find important.
>>94386I'm not defending the developers either though. Just judging from the trailer, the VA seems like garbage, and THAT RIDLEY SCENE sounds incredibly stupid. That alone tells me I can continue to safely ignore this series, because their one attempt (as far as I can tell, and discounting the manga) to rise above being just KILL ALIENS KILL ALIENS KILLS ALIENS turned out this way. No, what I'm mad about is that people act like this is the holocaust, or some conspiracy to destroy female empowerment or some shit like that. It isn't. It's a poorly written videogame, bottom line, end of story. This is like how No Mutant Allowed acts about the new Fallout games. Does FO3 suck? YES, but that's no reason to treat it like the coming of the antichrist.
>Go to metroid thread to bitch about annoying boss>Someone bitches about people bitching about other M>Someone bitches at that person for bitching about it>I feel a sudden urge to bitch at them for bitching about it.oh god, this thread.
>>94390It's a vicious cycle.
>>94357 Fuck the Boost Guardian too. That's mandatory when bitching about boss fights.And while we're at it, fuck the Emperor Ing.
>>94390All /cog/ ever will be is a series of fanboy bitchfests when things don't go their way, unless somebody steps in to tell them to shut the hell up, that was my only point.
>>94389You're using hyperboles. Nobody has compared it to the holocaust in this thread, nobody says this is a conspiracy to undercut female empowerment (at least, from what *I'VE* seen). They've said the development team has made Samus too sexy, given her a terrible story, and added new character elements that they don't like. They are saying its a bad game.I will add that when you complain about people criticizing a developer for the changes they've made to a character, you're defending them. In that post I linked to, if you go through it, you were dismissive to their criticisms in favor of the developer. You can't argue with people from "neutral" ground. You may feel like the position you have is perfectly reasonable and logical, but it's still a position in favor of one side or the other.
You know, I thing the hole Samus brakedown thing could have worked, if it was was not really Ridley but an mind fuck scarecrow monster, that made her flashback to that day when you home got burned and up the horror level by like 9001%. But then the soldier punge it in the face to free her from the QTE and then BOSS FIGHT! But noooooooo...
>>94441I can see that working. But really, the flashback is such a small portion of the game, it's not really worth complaining about.
>>94446 Quality, or in this case Intensity, over Quantity.It's not like it's the only stupid part of the game.Personally the whole 'authorisation required' nonsense struck me as far more stupid. Adam is a cancerous toolbag and apparently a laughable self-insert.
>>94447 Yeah, he was better as an A.I.
>>94447You know what's even worse? It's a game where Samus DOES NOTHING. MB kills the Deleter, Adam kills the Metroids, Anthony stops the ship and saves Madeline, Madeline and the Galactic Federation stop MB, a random Metroid Queen with no real relevance kills Ridley, and the entire crew dies save for Anthony who saved HIMSELF after Samus got him killed. Literally every single important event in the game is stolen by other characters, leaving Sams to fight a Biolizard for no discernable reason.
>>94452So you have control issues, then?
>>94453No I'm just typing this from a phone.
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