The Summary

Setting: So far, the blanket setting is set in Chicago, in either a somewhat parallel timeline's present or our current, near future . Technology is pretty much exactly the same, though many new kinds of machines and theories are being created, such as AI starting to take root. While there are no hover cars, aliens or magic, science is starting to enter a new age.

As well, there are superbeings, both heroes and villains in the world (often as a result of the above new science). While not as common as in, say, the DC or Marvel universes, they still are present. Enough so that a major city would, in theory, only have one, maybe two, heroes protecting it.

The reasoning for using Chicago was that it was a city strongly tied to organized crime in the past, it is one of the most famous US cities, it happens to be on the water, has warm/hot summers and cold winters and the city itself has a lot of personality to it. The variety in the seasons' weather was nice.

(Featured picture by Banth, costume concept 2)

Main Character:

Name: Alex Flynn
Alias: Motion

Powers: Absorption and manipulation of kinetic energy, usually through her hands and feet. Allows for an energy shield surrounding her body, concussive blasts from her hands and super strength. While she can't fly, at least at the start, she can use her hand blasts to propel herself like a rocket for brief periods of time.

Weaknesses: Specifically her power supply's low stamina. While in contact with the ground, she refills her 'battery' constantly. Constantly applied force, like slashing, spearing or crushing, will drain her shield faster than she can recharge it. Bullets, who only contact at a small point, then expel their energy, are easily repelled. She also lacks total protection from the extreme cold, heat and electricity. She also does not have any formal hand-to-hand combat training.

Personality: A slight dichotomy between her costumed self and her civilian self. While out of costume she tends to be outgoing with her own small group of friends but shy around newer people and/or large crowds, is loyal to those she cares about and is a people pleaser, sometimes to a fault. She is bright in the field of English but not so much in math or science. As Motion she is a lot more outgoing (though this takes time to develop), vigilant and, in general, keeps a lot of the compassion she has while out of costume. She feels guilty, feeling like she created many of her villains (and in some cases she may have unintentionally).

Origins: She gained her power when a new reactor was being tested, based on drawing kinetic energy out of the earth. The reactor malfunctioned, motion saving her friend while, unfortunately, being unable to get away in time.

History: Born to a middle-class Irish Catholic family, only child. She lived in Chicago all her life, rarely when on vacations and lived a somewhat average life. Her parents did not approve of her wanting to transition and, as such, they don't seek contact with her after she announced it shortly after graduating (though she was planning it for a long time before that). She worked for two years before going to college on a scholarship, though it didn't pay for everything, it did help.

Reason: There are a few reasons why she dons her mask. Part of it is the thrill and admiration that comes with it, though those are only the upside. She also feels like she needs to use her powers to help others, if only because she nearly lost her own best friend in the reactor accident. As things progress, guilt over creating the villains that plague the city, either directly or indirectly, keeps her out on the street and rooftops.

(Picture by Superwoman/Izanami, Alex out of costume)

The Rogues.

For the most part, the rogues are all in the developmental stage. A brief description of some will follow, though they should be fleshed out later.

-Ice themed villain. Female, Japanese roots. Absorbs thermal energy through her skin. Unfortunately this raises her core temperature higher. She wears a special suit made out of a new fabric that reduces heat transfer, reducing the heat she passively absorbs at all times, only leaving her with a sweltering heat. Can use an extreme vasodialator to lower her body temperature to increase the heat she can safely absorb.

Fire themed villain. Hispanic, no powers. Expert welder and displays narcissistic tendencies. Created a suit of armor out of police riot gear and metal plates for protection. Wields a flamethrower mounted on each arm, thermite grenades and a napalm gun. Wears a faceplate, much like a metal, vintage goalie mask with welding goggles set into the eyes.

-Electric themed. Caucasian, tall, thin, mused hair. Body is a superconductor and produces very small amounts of electricity, enough to tase people, cause excessive static cling and a magnetic field able to deflect bullets (never all at once). Can grab live wires and other electrical sources to effectively channel the electricity inside and boosts his power considerably, shooting lightning, powerful magnetism, etc. Good natured, anti-villain. Wears a green trechcoat, rubber pants and boots to keep himself ungrounded.

-Chessmasters. Robotic AI program that went rogue. Initially wanted a family, so split itself into 6 to produce one, each with its own AI to grow, each housed in a robotic shell. The original program greatly enjoyed chess, the six robots then taking on the names King, Queen, Knight, Bishop, Rook and Pawn, each with their own personality and powers.

-Diseased themed. Female. Result in a viral study designed to kill cancer. Subjects were homeless taken off the streets. Virus mutated in one woman, turning into a fluid transmitted (blood, saliva, sweat, open sores), deadly disease that destroys internal organs within an hour. Granted the woman increased clotting and healing rate (not Wolverine level, but above human), reduced pain sensitivity, the ability to digest most organic matter and her breath is a mild sedative. However, she's schizophrenic and rarely knows what she's really doing and is rarely at fault.

Radiation themed villain. Female, Caucasian. Motion's double, except she gains power from certain kinds of radiation. Stronger, able to fly, explosive blasts from her hands instead of concussive. Her power source is harder to come by though, meaning that when she's spent, she's spent, unlike Motion, who gains her power from the kinetic energy from the ground or from siphoning it from another source. Likely suspect for framing Motion for things she didn't do as their powers are so similar.

(Picture done by Banth, used to decide what kind of mask Motion should use)

Back again, with some more pencil sketches...

First, here's Motion from behind and a potential way to illustrate the kinetic energy

>>27378
And secondly here's designs for the Cold Villain and the Chessmasters

>>27379
>>27378

Appreciate you doing some of the pencil sketching in your free time, Fizz.

Been hunting around for a couple other artists too who can do something like what Banth did, with color and final concept art.

>>27384
Glad I can help out in some capacity... Sorry I can't offer more than scanned pencil sketches but that's all the materials I have

I need a Tablet BAD :(

>>27379

Thinking about it, I think a robot with a face would be preferred, for expression. Perhaps something like a dome that has a projection of a face on the inside.

Sorry you're getting trolled to all fuck on 4chan's /co/. I'd like to help with the sketching and such, if I could.

>>27409

Oh, wonderful. Do you have any samples of your work you could post?

I'll sketch an idea or two tonight, scan it later this week.

The idea that this comic shouldn't be a soapbox is wrong. It SHOULD be a soapbox for the idea that not all comic heroes/villains have to be straight white males. I mean, if super powers happened in the real world, it would be quite random who got powers, so why couldn't there be a transsexual hero?

Of coarse if this were the real world, there would probably be a lot of hate and prejudice toward motion from the public (if they knew she were transsexual) and from other heroes as well. So the comic shouldn't go out of its way to avoid these issues altogether. My feeling is "What if Grant Morrison were writing this?", he'd be all over the cultural impact of a transsexual hero. Of coarse, I'm no writer so don't let me tell you how to make it. Just adding a couple of cents.

>>27414

I think the soapbox is that "A transsexual is just like everyone else, on the basic level. They want the same things and when you strip it away, they're no different than any other human being."

Them getting superpowers would make them just like anyone else in their situation.

>>27414

Oh, much appreciated. Do you have anything you've randomly sketched on hand so I could see your style?

http://mobius-one.deviantart.com/gallery/#/dxzxkv

That was mine from several years ago. I really need to update my DA with recent stuff.

What about Allies?

>>27422
I was thinking that too. If you're going to create a comic book universe, it should probably have lots of characters and not just a few.

I'm also thinking Motion's powers sound a lot like the Speed force. I'm gonna draw her running fast!

>>27423
If you do would you mind putting the flash (Bart or Wally) in? I'm a bit of a Flash-fag.

>>27423

Technically speed does work on kinetic force... except you have stuff like friction, muscle strain and turning/stopping to deal with too.

So...does Motion have a penis? Or is she transgender?

>>27439

Transgender refers to a wide area of cross-gender events. Cross dressing, intersex and transsexual.

Motion is transsexual, meaning she was born male as is transitioning to a woman. She is pre-op, meaning she hasn't had sexual reassignment surgery. So yes, she has a penis.

>>27440
Okay that's what I was wondering. Time to draw some tasty 34!

>>27410
well, i can't promise they'll all be this finished, but have some shellshocked tony stark fanart nonetheless.

>>27445

... is that your art?

>>27446
it is. it's a bit old by now. the last piece i polished enough to put anywhere was this one.

>>27449

Very nice. I look forward to having you on the project.

Been out of town for a couple of days, saw this on /draw/. >>27355 on Friday before I went. Thought it is an interesting concept, though not quite with you on the way you go about it.

Either way, was just looking for something to draw when I get back. Probably not something you are looking for, though it was fun.

Also comparative face shape study with The Chess Master (might want to rethink the relationship between chess and ice power though).

Just on the Soapbox issue,
If there isn't a bit of Soapboxing then there will always be an elephant in the room. I'm not for or against Transgenders, it's just anyone who reads Motion will think it's been done as a Soapbox.
Other than that I'm loving this Idea and would like to help out where I can. I can't draw for two shits but I'm a decent writer.

>>27454

I think the chess pieces have different powers than that above. Ice/electric/fire/disease/radiation are all human and the chess pieces have powers separate from those.

>>27454
I really like the "M" shape for Motion's mask

>>27548

I dunno, seems a little too 'sharp'. I like the op pic mask, though if we mixed both together it might look really good.

>>27454

You're welcome to stay and continue sketching. Also, if you have an opinion about it, be it you agree or not, please voice it.

And should anyone want to contact me to discuss specifics, especially about concept art, reach me on AIM ( thecomiceditor ).

>>27551
What about a classic Domino/masquerade mask? Thoughts?

>>27554

We have a sampling of the masks here: >>27369

Generally, the most popular were 5, 6 and 7. So something mixing 5 and 7 together might be our best bets. That way we have a fair bit of her upper face covered and it offers an aesthetically pleasing 'solid' feel to the mask, instead of it looking like cloth.

>>27556
I really like the one in the OP. Hmm I should probably start using a trip so I'm not just randomly posting.

>>27558
>Trip

This tends to be preferred so that we don't have 3 or 4 anons all posting, makes things difficult to distinguish who's saying what.

>>27559
It would probably help if I didn't screw it up. Fucking apostrophes.

So who's the person most in creative control of Motion? Is it The Old OP? I only ask because, while I and others may have many story ideas, I also want to make sure these ideas are okay by the creator before I start drawing random stuff. Also for canon purposes, since if we all came up with our stuff independently, it would very quickly become contradictory.

>>27571

I head the project, so you could say I run it. Generally, I try and take the collective opinion and condense it down and make a final decision based on that. The best way to describe my position in the comic is a writer/head editor.

For the most part, any story ideas should be run through the group so I can take a look and see how it fits. Just so that the project stays together and people don't start making stories that actively work against the main one.

So yeah, I check continuity and make sure everything flows right, be it by including ideas or pruning them.

Oh, to flesh out Alex's character a bit more, I was wondering on what her favorite things should be. Sports, movies, song genre, food, etc. Speak up and offer your opinions.

My opinion
-Sport: Not terribly into sports, but doesn't mind watching Baseball and Hockey
-Movies: Comedy/Action, dislikes horror
-Song genre: Classic rock
-Food: I think it should be a given that she likes Chicago's famous deep dish pizza, but others should come up too.

I like the way DC has handled Batwoman and female Question being lesbians. It's apparent in the stories, but it's not the focus of the stories. I feel that Motion should try to emulate that. Therefore I propose something radical: what if the fact that Motion is transsexual isn't even mentioned until several issues into the series? It would just be one of those things we learn about her as the story progresses. The primary focus of the first issues should be to tell the origin of her powers and what she decides to do with them. We only learn about her "normal" life between plot points of the hero story.

>>27669
Oh man, I'm getting visions of Wrigley Field getting invaded by Super Villians and Alex is in the stands then SUDDENLY! Chicago's Favourite gal coming in to save the day.
Baseball puns everywhere but it would be gold.

>>27669
Hmmm... In terms of baseball, I can see Alex being a casual softball player since where I come from they don't give a fuck what gender you are as long as you're good

Any thought given to the prospect of romantic interests?

>>27683
I thought she could like a guy, but then that guy would turn out to work for a villain later or something. Like a real macho kind of guy. He'd never know she was Motion.

Sketches from earlier today...

...and from a bit before that.

>>27683

I think we're going to keep romance off the table to start with.

>>27701
Probably a good idea.Well, at least until we've finished fleshing out motion.
Also, >>27700
Izanami, if these are only outlines I'm dying to see some finished products. Maybe I'm just a sucker for short-shorts, but these are pretty good.

Oh! Names for fire themed villain: Enfuego, The Incinerator, The Pyronaut (I don't even like this one), Invicta (From the latin name of the Fire ant), Camaxtli/Mixcoatl. More will come of course but those are the ones I've been playing with so far. As for our icy Japanese mademoiselle I'm kicking around a few ideas but I'd like to know more about her reason/s she became a villain and maybe the Fire-man too if at all possible.

>>27711

Home for lunch, so I'll give details.

-Fire villain is a welder with a narcissist complex and a pyromaniac. When Motion came into the city's limelight he got the idea to earn the respect he felt he was deserved by doing the opposite as her, terrorizing the city.
-- For his name, I'd like to use something Spanish and something that smells of arrogance.

-The ice villain was a victim of an experiment accident. She can't turn her powers off and on, instead her body constantly absorbs heat from her surroundings, her naked skin reducing the temperature to below freezing. At the same time the heat she passively absorbs raises her core temperature. The end result is that she can't live without the suit, unless she's wanting to die of heat stroke. At the same time, the suit protects others from her bare skin, which would cause frostbite on contact.
-- She became a villain simply because she no longer fits in, the accident has rendered her unable to have human contact, eat warm food or even bath with water. Her personality also has changed, due to living in basically an inescapable heat.

I'm planning on sitting down with Izanami again and work on more concept sketches, probably tonight.

>>27727
Camaxtli/Mixcoatl is a Aztec god of War and fire. I mean, what's more arrogant than naming oneself after a god?

Concerning the Ice queen, there's actually a legend in Japan about and spirit called the Yiukionna. It's the ghost of woman who haunts the snow and lures men to their deaths. Only quasi-fitting but it's a start.

I've got class for most of the day but I should be able to think of more during the day. If I'm not up to my ears in contractual bullshit.

>>27711
I had an idea for Ice girl or Radiation girl. Follow me here for a minute: Perhaps there was some Mob boss opposed to the Kinetic Energy reactor for some reason or other, so he sent in a hired agent or mercenary(s) to sabotage it, which is the reason it explodes. Upon exploding it gives people powers. Motion is nearby when it explodes. I don't know how to twist that so she thinks she's responsible for creating her villains, but I like the idea of it. Maybe she only feels responsible for getting her friend killed because she asked him to meet her at the spot where he ends up dying. Just a thought.


Also, I had an idea about her powers. What if she doesn't just absorb energy from the Earth like a capacitor. What if all kinetic energy fueled her? For instance, she'd absorb the energy of any bullets fired at her. The bullets would simply stop when they touch her and she'd store the kinetic energy as potential energy, to be expended at her choosing. She could also survive any fall by absorbing the energy of her impact with the ground. She'd be immune to projectiles, but energy weapons and explosions and fire still hurt her like a normal human. There should also be many ways of expending this energy. I like the idea of a temporary speed boost while running, making her a very light speedster. Also kinetic punches that can puncture steel. I'm afraid these abilities would seem to make her a higher power level than intended by the creator, but with villains tailored to her weaknesses and by slowly discovering these abilities over time, she could start out very weak and eventually end up a heavy hitter in the far future.

>>27747

>Also, I had an idea about her powers. What if she doesn't just absorb energy from the Earth like a capacitor. What if all kinetic energy fueled her? For instance, she'd absorb the energy of any bullets fired at her. The bullets would simply stop when they touch her and she'd store the kinetic energy as potential energy, to be expended at her choosing. She could also survive any fall by absorbing the energy of her impact with the ground. She'd be immune to projectiles, but energy weapons and explosions and fire still hurt her like a normal human. There should also be many ways of expending this energy. I like the idea of a temporary speed boost while running, making her a very light speedster. Also kinetic punches that can puncture steel. I'm afraid these abilities would seem to make her a higher power level than intended by the creator, but with villains tailored to her weaknesses and by slowly discovering these abilities over time, she could start out very weak and eventually end up a heavy hitter in the far future.

So more overpowered than superman in the end.

>Concerning the Ice queen, there's actually a legend in Japan about and spirit called the Yiukionna. It's the ghost of woman who haunts the snow and lures men to their deaths. Only quasi-fitting but it's a start

Now I can't get the image of her giving some man responsible for her condition the kiss of death and thus suck all of his body temperature out of him out of my head

Also she could possibly close down her heat release vents in order to build up a cloud of steam for her to escape

>>27750
>So more overpowered than superman in the end.

Not necessarily. Certainly a JLA level player near the end of the series when she's a several years older (if it even progresses that far). She'd still be very vulnerable to a lot of things, just not kinetic energy rounds. Okay, so technically explosions are a form of kinetic energy, but they also generate that energy in all directions and use air as the medium for its concussive force, as well as generating a lot of heat. Motion is vulnerable to explosions because she can't absorb their kinetic energy easily (it's unfocused) and the heat burns her. I imagine her starting power to be extremely poor as her powers are not understood at all on any level, and certainly uncontrollable. Perhaps she needs some kind of mentor to teach her to use her abilities at some point?

>>27775
>>27747
crap, I forgot to trip those posts. It was me guys! Also sketching Motion right now. She is fun to draw!

>>27751
Or melt some faces.

>>27552
Well, I appriciate the egalitarian ideal at the conception of the character, though if we do this just because, this particular attribute felt tacked-on, but that's a small complaint. While personally I am more interested in her own personal journey on this aspect, I'll probably try doing that in my own work.

I probably won't get much more involved, since the more I get into an idea, the more I want to go my own way, and take more creative control over it.

>>27782
I think everyone is that way. When they contribute an idea, the thing sort of becomes "theirs" in their mind. That's why I asked who's in charge, because I think that's an important thing to respect. I'm happy just making concept art, but I also want this thing to be good, so I throw my 2 cents into the hat to try and push it in the (hopefully) right direction.

There is nothing stopping you from having an idea then uding it for youself somewhere else - it simply means you will have to create another identity that shares similar attributes. I intend on using the Masochist idea for myself as well, but as a redesign, but I think she would be good in a world like this one.

>>27743

I think that mythology, while good for inspiration, often leads to poor names, mostly because they're a little wordy and because it requires you to typecast the villain to their race.

If they're an immigrant, perhaps it'd make sense, but if not, it wouldn't really hold any significant value.

>>27848
Understandable.
Since he's a welder How about something like Torcher/Torchor, Kinda sounds like torture though... Let me know mon ami. I don't know whether it was intentional to have a fire themed rogue in Chicago or not, but still very clever.

>>27783

Adding your thoughts, even if they use one, doesn't make it your project. It means you helped. It also doesn't mean they're required to use anything else you suggest.

Projects work best when you have a small group, between one and four, in charge, with the others suggesting things and offering new ideas and opinions the core wouldn't have thought of.

The moment the entire group tries to compromise is the moment the entire project falls apart due to lack of direction.

For the fire villain, why not "El Calor", which means "The Heat" in Spanish.

what if her bodysuit's orange's pieces have special fibers that glow depending on how much enegry she has? It would realy help in fights showing she's completely out of enegry for dramatic effect,or she could turn them off one fight to fool a villian into thinking she's out of enegry.>>27782 gave me this idea,the orange peices are grey when completely out of enegry.The jacket is differant,it's just orange.

Well, I'm a writer. A bit of a writer. I fancy myself one. You might have seen some of my work on /x/. Creepy-stories aside however I also happen to be, well, trans-ish. I say -ish- because I am unable to ever become anything near female due to things far beyond my control. But I am transgender, I know what it's like to struggle with gender-identity and things like that. I would dress up, given the opportunity, and do actively wear makeup and act naturally, that is naturally for myself, which is a bit too femmy for some tastes. (Though it convinces no-one haha)

I'd toss in my two cents immediately, but the current theme of the thread seems a bit tense and hostile.

might she also like jazz?

>>28189

She has an aura around her body that is used to display how her power levels are. Now, if its a solid construct and cracks/chips based on how much punishment she takes is another matter.

I do thank you for your suggestion, its an interesting idea.

>>28191

This thread or the /co/ one? Because this one is, at least from my perspective, far from hostile.

>>28192

I have no problem with that. Though I'm no jazz expert.

Ah, perhaps hostile isn't the right word to use. I simply meant the whole conversation going on about how ideas are not the property of their owners, but the property of the project they are being used in, etc. Ah, maybe -exclusive-? But that also seems like a poor word-choice.

>>28191
Yeah... I'm not getting the hostile vibe at all. Personally I'd love to hear your two cents getting a new set of eyes on the project, especially ones that are closer to the character, are always welcome. Remember though, we're really not going for a soapbox thing here. Maybe a gradual one but nothing so brazen as to say "I'm Trans-gender! Deal with it!" in the first issue.

>>28194

Character concepts generally belong to the creators. However, if you take a concept (like the main heroine) and use it yourself, then that becomes an issue.

Offering something to the project is nice and, if its used, becomes part of the comic. As such, the character might not -stay- yours as tinkering might be done with it, history may be changed, the story might phase them out, etc.

When people use their own characters, they often have an attachment to them, which makes putting them into stories difficult. This is why coming up with concepts made purely for the comic, with no baggage, is best.

Its not a matter of "no, its mine", its about not wanting to have a power struggle when somebody's character goes a way they don't like.

>>28195

We already have a handful of transsexual people working on the project, I think. Not to say that the newcomers aren't welcome, just that we already have the point of view :P

>>28196
Haha, I completely understand, I didn't mean to come off as judgemental or anything. Anyway, I'll review the thread so far and see if there's anything I think I can add.

>>28197

Also, the /co/ thread. Keep it going with discussion if you want.

http://boards.4chan.org/co/res/17623052

>>28200
I don't think the word "Tasteful" registers with them.

>>28201

Lets not get into that, shall we?

Throwing my hat into 'I might write something' ring. This project has some real legs - I'll give the thread a read and see what I can throw together.

This has probably been suggested a million times, and is already slightly covered in the Ice Enemy field, but perhaps a villain whose power/tech allows them to emit a sort of adhesive? Seems like that would be a major threat to a character who is based on gaining and exerting kinetic energy. Yes/No? I will make a character concept if the idea hits any bells.

>>28205

It wouldn't really be that big a threat I think. If motion can get energy from the ground she always has access to her fuel supply.

>>28206
But, and I suppose I might need further lesson on Kinetic energy and the definition which is used within this comic, a immobile object cannot exert force, even if she can still draw it. And if said foe is able to in any way insulate Motion from the ground, she is then cut off from her power source. Also a -goo-, we shall say, based character would be able to overwhelm her shields through sheer force of contact. If the character itself was turned into this substance, say ala Clayface, that would present an even further challenge, as brute-force would be useless against them, and Motion would have to get creative to contain them.

I am just throwing out ideas though.

>>28207

The idea has merit. I'd like to point out that human beings have kinetic energy while staying still. Their arms move, which has kinetic energy.

Motion gains her power by drawing in kinetic energy, storing a small bit inside her and using it to power her energy shield/aura. The aura itself is what protects her, gives her strength and her 'bolts' are essentially solid, concussive force she fires.

So if she was standing still, her body would still be wrapped in the shield, allowing her all her powers.

The way to get through it is to A) keep Motion airborne while damaging her shield or B) apply a constant force. The reason behind this is that her 'battery' is constantly recharging but has little capacity. Separating her from the ground means she's left with only a small amount of energy to use and/or applying a constant force (stabbing, slashing, crushing) drains the shield constantly, faster than it can replenish the battery (unlike bullets, which strike a small point and expend all their energy in a split second, a knife applies force over a more spread over area and can be held there for longer).

>>28208
Then I think that this might be able to work. I understand the technology-level of the setting, so I will ask how do you feel about someone who is chemically turned into a monster? Or not a monster so much, but a manifestion. Think, again, of perhaps Clayface. Would that be too far-fetched in this setting?

>>28210

Anything -could- work. The purpose is to throw out ideas and work with them. If we like the final result we can save it for a future rogue, one shot or a character. If we don't, we may revisit.

The issue is that we need to make it distinguishable from characters like Clayface, Sandman, Inque and Hydroman.

Alright then

Rouge: WIP Name(Drip)

During a preliminary outing, Motion inadvertently set about a chain of events that led to a tenement in a low-income part of ton being set ablaze. While most of the families were evacuated, one floor, on the far side, was trapped and unable to escape the blaze. A younger (say upper teens. 16-17?) girl, having just witnessed her father burning alive in his own bed, jumps in desperation from her window, a fall that would normally kill her.

Heavy expansion in the city, and an unscrupulous mayor, had led to the refuse from the reactor accident that caused Motion's powers to be buried under the outlaying foundation behind the girl's house. Upon splattering on the ground (so tasteless) the waste seeps into her bloodstream, reanimating her...as best it can. Because of her bodies mostly liquid state at the time, it is mostly substituted with a seething mass of sticky gunk.

As she was clinically dead for a few minutes before being reincarnated as Drip her brain had time to decay. Because of this she is mentally unhinged, and is mostly motivated by a burning desire to get rid of both Motion and the other rogues, all of whom she blames for her accident.

Her powers initially are simply to morph and expel her body-mass's worth of goo in rudimentary ways, overwhelming and consuming her foes. Eventually she might learn to do such things as become so dispersed that she is un-noticeable on the ground, etc. She might even go so far as to learn how to stabilize her body enough to mimic animals, humans, and even inanimate objects.

However, her properties would keep her from being all that incognito. The smell of rot follows her, and while later on she might learn to change her scent (maybe even integrating into Motion's college to toy with her private life?), it usually gives her away in even her best disguise. You might not know what she is, but you know she is there.

To make her more menacing she could perhaps learn to dissolve other material to add to her own body-mass, and to balance this only be able to add so much as she can control, and using massive amounts of material is impossible for her and causes her to break down.

I thought the Ice villain was supposed to be Cambodian or from some other South Asian country. Isn't Japanese overdone? Just saying.

>>28214

Motion's best friend's family is going to be from the southern area of Asia. That maybe who you're thinking of. Vietnamese or Thai, I forget which one we said.

>>28216
I thought I'd read it in the description for the first character design.

>>28213

Well, some issues with this are that it feels much like Inque and Sandman. Sandman was created from a science accident, Inque was created by chemicals, Clayface too. Also, clinically dead for a few minutes would lead to mental retardation, not psychosis.

A different approach could be the use of new "nanobots" that one controls with a neural interface. Perhaps used to clean up oil spills and other hard to clean up accidents, they can integrate with the matter, move and shape it, all at a safe distance. An accident kills the operator and the person's consciousness takes form in the nanobots. He or she now isn't limited to just one form of matter, but all sorts of loose material, like dirt, water, oil, mud and sand.

>>28218
Well, that all being true, I think the same could be said of most any superhero/etc. you try to make. Who hasn't heard of the science-accident, the man-from-beyond-the-stars, the radiation mutation, etc? Those are sort of unavoidable.

I like your idea about the nano-machines. However, wouldn't that make her a bit to over-powered? There's really no way to stop nano-machines. As soon as a malevolent force entered them they would reproduce infinitely and turn the world into grey-goo within minutes. It seems a bit implausible to make a rogue out of such a powerful construct.

>>28219

Nano machines would, in theory, be damaged by electricity and a variety of containment measures could be used.

In theory again, not all nanobots would be able to reconstruct matter. If these ones were only programmed to move around matter and, perhaps, break down specific types of material for self replication, you have a distinct boundary. That's always the plus when dealing with non-AI machinery, they're limited by what they're programmed to do.

>>28221
True, but as soon as a nano-maching is reprogrammed by the conciousness of a rogue, they could -reprogram- them to take out all their locks on certain types of matter.

My point isn't that nano-machines won't work, I was just pointing out that you can't point a logic flaw such as -Brain dead can't come back- if you allow logic-flaws in your own ideas haha. This is a creative endeavour, afterall, a little leeway should be made.

Alright, let's combine the two. When the girl jumps to her death she is assaulted by a group of nanomachines that are perhaps made to dispose of filth on the sidewalks that have made a bit of a bug in their programming? Or maybe they are demolition Nanos that are destroying an adjoining lot? She is consumed by them and, somehow, her personality and thoughts are imprinted into them?

Maybe, because of her shifting nano-machine "hive brain" that would explain why she is psychotic? Perhaps she could call herself a deviation of Nanomachine. "Nana" (pronounced like the teasing "nah nah nah nah nah")

>>28219

That is sort of the problem when it came to the villains we came up with already.

Take the ice based villain for example. You have two routes to go with, machine assisted (Mr Freeze, Captain Cold) or natural/biological (Iceman, Killer Frost). In fact, our frost villain is very close to Killer Frost's power because KF is the only ice based villain to follow the laws of thermodynamics (in that you can't add cold to something, only take away heat to freeze it). What makes ours different is that our villain suffers because of her power, the fact that her abilities are not as honed (such as she can't create 3d objects out of ice within a short period of time) and she really is a sympathetic character (I'd hope).

Same with the fire based villain, two routes; machine assisted (Firefly, Heatwave) or biological (Pyro, Volcana). The difference between ours and the two big machine based fire villains is in the weaponry. Another is that I'd like for the character to grow and upgrade, to the point where he's in an Iron Man like power suit that shoots fire, giving him the strength to match Motion.

>>28223
That's also what I was trying to do. Like you said, it's hard to avoid comparisons to other characters. It's hard to make someone stick out from power alone, it's more what you do with the character. I think Drip being more of a psychological threat, someone who tries to infiltrate and destroy Motion's personal life (and the fact that she can alter/destroy the very ground out from under Motion's feet), would make her an interesting villain for Motion, disregarding that she is similar to other characters. And again, making her sympathetic. Obviously we wouldn't be condoning the methods, but like other great villains such as Mr. Freeze as you mentioned, you can -understand- to an extent where they are coming from. You can relate to their heartbreak, even if you can't relate to what they do with that heartbreak.

Making this character (I sort of had something you mentioned earlier in the thread in mind, the idea of feeling guilt for making your own foes) a by-product at Motion's attempts at good would help drive both the characters emotionally and developmentally.

On the ability side there is a lot of places you can go with a character made of mutating substances, whether it be nano-machines or organic gunk, as I mentioned in my first proposal.

>>28225

While it may be a jumping off point, also keep in mind we have a sympathetic, vile villain in place too.

>>28226
Well I would hope that most all of, if not the entire, Rogue's Gallery would be at least partially sympathetic. A villain who is a villain just for the sake of it is very hard to pull off with any sort of strength.

>>28228

Actually, there are five different kinds of villains. It was posted in the other thread, going to track it down and post it.

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There are 5 subclasses of villain.

-The Anti-Villain, which is a villain who does bad things but can be considered an okay person, who may have a moral code, etc. See, Catwoman, some of the Flash's Rogues.

-The Sympathetic Villain, who does villainous things that the reader may or may not agree with, but can understand where they are coming from. See, Mister Freeze, Magneto, Spectacular Spider-Man Electro.

-The Monster, who has no redeeming qualities, no remorse and does such horrible things that the reader is disgusted and, in some cases, even fellow villains are disgusted. See, some incarnations of the Joker, Superboy Prime, Red Skull.

-The Magnificent Bastard, normally a Sympathetic or Monster who transcends their genre by being just ungodly awesome at manipulation and fucking with the hero, to the point where you have to love them. See: Norman Osborne, Loki, Doctor Doom, Lex Luthor.

The Plot Device, usually with little explanation for their motives or understandings. This is the no-man's-land that most want to avoid. They aren't vile enough to warrant being Monsters, they have no background to offer sympathy or their reasons are overreactions or unsympathetic, they aren't in the gray area between hero and villain and they don't manipulate the scene enough to earn the respect. A tell-tale characteristic of these characters is that they are especially powerful, if only to provide the hero with somebody to fight that offers a challenge. See: Metallo, Blockbuster, practically every C-list villain around.
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Each type works in reality, except the plot device one. A common mistake is trying to make every villain a sympathetic one. You should be able to relate to a sympathetic villain but in the case of Monsters, you shouldn't give them an 'out' by justifying their actions.

Take Norman Osborn. He is a Monster and a Magnificent Bastard. You don't sympathize with him... you don't approve of what he does, but a number of people AGREE with what he did in Dark Reign and Seige when he gave his justifications.

At times, sympathy only weakens a villain. But this villain has to prove they're a monster in order to get by without sympathy, to make the reader interested in them without spoiling their actions with a Freudian excuse.

Man, I went off on a tangent there. Sorry, I like discussing villains.

>>28229
Haha, I really enjoy your enthusiasm! I suppose I agree, but frankly I've never been very interested in, nor do I see people very often fawning over, the monster type. And one of those you presented as -monsters- actually have -very- sympathetic traits. Superboy Prime is a man lost in a universe that does not understand him and that forces him to live as this evil. Though I will agree that both Red Skull and Joker are both monsterish, though I would say the latter is not very engaging, and the former only in the hands of a great writer.

As for the magnificent bastards, they are all at their best when played with a, albeit small, sympathetic side. Especially Doom. Doom isn't some dastardly moustache-twirling foe. He honestly believes that what he is doing is the -right- thing to do. That it is the -good- thing to do. And I would say that most people would agree that you can sympathize with his actions. Norman and Loki are also cases of villains who are at their best when they are played for sympathy. Norman, a man trying to save the world from what he deems an irredeemable threat of super-heroism, and Loki, a son banished from affection.

If you can't relate to a character, it is a bad character, as a general rule of any sort of fiction. If it be a small or large gauge of sympathy is not important, but there has to be that streak, or they are just dumb-fodder, and might as well be clumped in with the "Plot-Device" file.

>>28230
Switch the Joker and Red Skull in that post. Joker being engaging in a great writer's hand, Skull not being, etc.

>>28230

Superboy Prime started out as sympathetic. He lost that when he vaporized a pregnant woman in cold blood.

Loki and Doom started as sympathetic villains who went up to MBs. Norman was a monster who upgraded. You don't sympathize with Norman though, you agree or understand where he is coming from, but that doesn't excuse his actions, nor does it explain the horrid stuff he pulled alongside it (shooting down a passenger airliner just to test Pepper).

Take Spectacular Spider-Man's Green Goblin. You don't sympathize with him in any way. Can you relate to him? I'd say very little, if at all. When you do relate to him, its when he's with Peter, mentoring him. And even then, you don't know if its just a lie.

>>28232
But that is the very definition of sympathy. Sympathy does not mean condoning, it means -understanding-. If you -understand- why a villain is doing something, that is sympathetic. And, I have to be very stickler-ishly on this point, Dr. Doom and Loki -started- as Glorious Bastards and have, in the last few decades, become more and more sympathetic, as has Osbourne. And that makes them -better-. No, you don't like what they do, you don't approve of what they do, but you can understand -why- they do it. The why is important. A monster is not engaging and is a sign of poor writing, unless we are literally talking some mutated monster with no human sentience haha.

>>28233

Doom's always been sympathetic.... dude's shown multiple times since the start that he cares about his people.

>>28235
Granted, but I think the OP has a much stricter meaning of sympathetic, so I was appealing to that. Doom was much more of a dick back in the day, even though he still loved his homeland and its people.

>>28233

That's the definition of Empathy, not Sympathy. You should be able to empathize with a villain, not always sympathize.

>>28237
Sympathy is being able to say "I understand where you are coming from." Empathy is saying "I know exactly how you feel, I'd feel the same."

Common mistake.

>>28236

Most villains were in the range of "Campy Dicks" way back in the early days of comics. Look at Loki/Namor/Luthor

Creeping Mange signing out for the night. Be back sometime tomorrow evening. I really hope I can become a part of this project. I think I could make some really good material on this subject.

"Complete Monsters" are not people you can really identify with. This doesn't make them bad characters in any respect.

What makes a bad "monster" is lack of characterization. A good character will have goals, a backstory (not that people need to know it), an emotional effect on the hero and an actual personality.

Take TDK's Ledger Joker. You don't really sympathize or empathize with him in any respect because for the entire film he's simply blowing stuff up, making up stories for his history and being monstrous on a widespread scale. Was he a bad character? No. Because he was interesting, he challenged the hero, he had a distinct personality, with visible emotions.

The trick with a monster is to make them interesting, to make up for their lack of connection with the reader. If you give them some sort of out, like they were abused, you have to make them cross the line over and over again until they've reached a point where the trauma couldn't possibly be to blame.

Also, there are complete monsters in reality too. Sadists, sociopaths and psychopaths all follow the line in some regard.

>>28276
That's all well and good for reality, but reality doesn't always make a compelling story to share over the evening fire.

And frankly, the reasons you listed are -exactly- the reasons that no one with any clout respected The Dark Knight, no matter how financially successful it became. The Joker was a sock-puppet. A no-account character that was simply there to push the plot of -Batman toeing the line- further. I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for saying that, but I just feel very passionate about my point that monsters are poor writing. I don't care what other characters in this feature do, that's the creators business. But I'm not going to pitch a character that I cannot respect myself.

>>28277

So what about Darkseid?

>>28282
I still wouldn't call him a monster. A monster to me is a senseless tool of violence. Even with someone who is the embodiment of pure evil, like Darksied, you can understand their motives. I think what we are all having here is a problem with communication and vocabulary. We are all saying the same thing, but saying it in ways that makes us argue.

The definition of sympathetic is an understanding of a character's motives. It does not mean agreeing with them, but simply understanding them. Many people confuse Sympathy and Empathy for one another, and that seems to be a large problem in the discussion at hand.

>>28284

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompleteMonster

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Monster/ComicBooks

The definition and examples of a Monster.

>>28287
Yes, because TVTropes has anything to say about quality. I am not saying monsters do not exist, I am saying that they are poor writing.

>>28289

The TVTropes link was basically said:

>The character must personally engage in a series of truly horrendous acts, and the story makes no attempt to gloss these over or present them in a positive light. Acts concealed behind a Villainy Discretion Shot or by a distant Mook don't count. The Complete Monster usually starts at the Moral Event Horizon and keeps on running, though nothing excludes him becoming one through Character Development.
>The character must evoke fear, revulsion and/or hatred from the other characters in the story.
>No justification or Freudian Excuse is present, or adequate to explain away the deeds if one exists.
>The character must show no regret or remorse for their actions, however terrible.
>Most importantly, the character must have no chance of redemption

It had nothing to do with the quality of the characters, but gave a nice definition. A monster shouldn't invoke feelings of pity, but rather revulsion from the audience.

Ledger Joker had a plan, he had a goal and the audience kinda knew what it was as it unfolded. I'd say you're wrong in the regard that he's poorly written. You don't know the entirety of his plan but you can see the motivation and the ideas behind it.

>>28290

Well then maybe you can tell me his motivation?

Was it to prove that people can be just as bad as him, as he said in the finale of the film? If so he had already proven this multiple times up to the finale of the movie and was continuously losing any sense of direction.

Was it to stir up Batman and get him to toe the line? Batman had already, on many occasions before, shown that he was ready to do whatever it takes to enact his sort of justice, whether or not it meant staying within a lawful or even -good- standing, making the Joker character useless from the onset.

Was it to make a name for himself or gain wealth? The first he had already accomplished by the time the -first- film had ended, and was certainly already legendary among petty-crooks by the time of his appearance at the beginning of the Dark Knight. And money obviously wasn't his goal as he constantly destroyed any that came his way in some absurd and silly attempt at proving a point.

Or was it simply to move the story along? To be a token-comic-relief character, to be the catalyst for Two-Face's rushed appearance, and to play to the fanboys who were eagerly awaiting a new and improved gritty-reboot silver-screen Joker? I'd say that is the most likely.

Look, this is a silly argument, I'm not sure why we are having it. As I already said, I have no qualms about monsters in the comic, but I'm not going to pitch a character that -I- cannot respect. And I only respect characters that have function and motive.

>>28291

Joker was a terrorist who was vying for control of Gotham. His motivation was to inspire mass panic, anarchy and destruction so that he could control the entire city instead of the mob, which he despised due to the fact that they only did it for money.

>>28292
And so he killed a number of high-ranking public officials, forced Batman's hand constantly, and generally made himself an easily assailable, easily captured target, doing nothing in the way of actually gaining control.

Huh. Well.

>>28293
He's insane. Nuff said.
Now back to the notions of Motion!
I think that you could garner more sympathy for Popsicle (yeah...) by making her not understand what's happening to her body. Making her a victim now and then later turning her into an almighty vengeful bitch would really give her character growth some legs.

Mange, perhaps Drip could have more of a primal mindset?

>>28294
((Thankyou for saving me from myself in that inane argument haha))

I think having Drip as a more primal character might detract from the whole "Reaping what you sew" thing I was going for. A big bad beasty who is doomed for life would set Motion's heart back a few steps, having a life-long threat who is a constant, and conniving/sinister, reminder of her mistakes would do more for the character I think.

I'm still somewhat sketchy on the origins and the source for the power.

The actual act of causing such a horrible event would be far too grim in this case. The fact that Motion actually causes a moderate number of horrible deaths would greatly subtract from her.

As well, clinically killing a character and bringing them back, walks the line of 'zombie', which does tread close to the whole magic area of superheroes.

Motion already does have a number of villains she produces by accident or through a vicarious method, such as the fire villain gaining the idea from Motion's actions.

>>28298
You're right, the origin is a bit too grim and sketchy. I'll do a quick re-proposal.

>>28299

The origin I should say would still be up to debate, but I was thinking perhaps instead of Motion causing the fire, it was the Fire-based villain that she inspired instead. Her fall doesn't kill her instantly, it only harms her enough to keep her from being able to crawl away from danger. Once the biological agent takes control of her, her body becomes completely malleable. This causes her mind to be in constant shift, until at some later point where she is able to not only control her mind, but completely stabilize her body and morph it in a more refined manner.

I think villains work best when they reflect the hero to an extent. Motion has to deal with complex gender-role issues, and I assume that while that is not the main theme of the comic, that it will come into play. Drip is, unlike Motion, able to change her body at any moment. She can be anyone at anytime, she can blend into anywhere. She is a chameleon, something that Motion herself would perhaps wish to be.

Scrap the -smell- issue, as it would make it impossible for her to blend into Motion's daily life and try to sabotage her personally. I think that the character itself could have an arc-of-development, beginning as an unsympathetic and bestial monster, but as she learns to control herself, becoming a manipulative and more personal villain.

>>28300

>I think villains work best when they reflect the hero to an extent. Motion has to deal with complex gender-role issues, and I assume that while that is not the main theme of the comic, that it will come into play. Drip is, unlike Motion, able to change her body at any moment. She can be anyone at anytime, she can blend into anywhere. She is a chameleon, something that Motion herself would perhaps wish to be.

I think this is something we want to avoid. Villains don't need to reflect the hero, like Batman's gallery. They don't even need a real theme. What matters is how they interact with the hero and push them, what their encounters say about the hero. Making the villain's theme and focus about their ability to conceal and change shape only draws the sexuality issue up.

Also, how does a biological agent turn somebody into a shapeshifting weapon? If we're having a physics theme, the laws of conservation of energy and mass would have to apply.

And I really think that nobody should find Motion's identity out. I mean, tormenting a hero always bites the villain in the ass. Always. Logically, just divulge the information to the web and newspapers and watch as every rogue in her gallery abuses her friends, home and school.

>>28301
Conservation of mass says that an object always has the same amount of matter inside of it, not how that matter is displaced. That's basic a+b science man. She could stretch herself or condense herself by making herself more or less dense. Easy.

Secondly, I think your attempts to keep everything "Not like this" stinks of reverse-Gary-Stuism. It's admirable to want to try and do your best, but by saying "We can't do this, it's been done before" you are shooting yourself in the foot. Everything has been done before, that's a given. It's how you do it that matters.

Thirdly, I don't see the hostility towards bringing up her sexuality. Great, you don't want to make it the main theme, fine. I understand. But completely ignoring it is silly. It would be the same as having a black character in the middle of a racist gathering and then never once bringing up the fact that he is black. Why is he there? Why is the character black at all?

Fourthly, and finally, heroes have villains find out their identities all the time. It matters on the villain what they do with it. If a certain villain wants -personal- revenge against someone, why would they tell everyone else? And crazy people don't always do sane things.

I never thought I'd have so much to argue about in a comic about a transgender hero haha

>Secondly, I think your attempts to keep everything "Not like this" stinks of reverse-Gary-Stuism. It's admirable to want to try and do your best, but by saying "We can't do this, it's been done before" you are shooting yourself in the foot. Everything has been done before, that's a given. It's how you do it that matters.

I know most has been done before. I also feel like you're pushing the idea for this villain pretty hard in some pretty key areas.

Nobody is being hostile with her sexuality, its going to be handled in her normal life, not superhero one.

And speaking of her normal life, wanting personal revenge is a fine motivation. How does it progress passed that? The villain is defeated and never gives out her personal info? With many, many situations like this, the villain ends up dead and that protects the secret identity.

>>28304
And that would be a fine way to resolve the whole thing, while still having a weight around Motion's neck.

I'm pushing hard because frankly, I'm not sure what we are doing here. I...I don't see anything. It's all confused. Half of the people are saying one thing, half are saying something else, and then I get embroiled in strange arguments about semantics. Look. I drop it, you win. Out. Have fun guys.

>>28305

You got into that argument over semantics, it happens. But pushing hard is not a good thing, considering that you should let others have other cracks at your character.

It feels very much like you're attached to the character idea and that can be a problem. Also, from being on /x/, I'd imagine you want to write about a pseudo zombie/goo monster. Others might not, it might not fit the comic's theme or it might work out great.

I don't see the point in leaving just because somebody challenges your idea.

>>28306
I'm more leaving as in not contributing, just because I don't think I gel very well with the project. I hold no ill will, and am still watching the progression, I just don't think I have any ideas that would be worth putting forth towards this.

And actually, I started out as a writer of more general fiction, and in fact I did a treatment for a novel about a slightly-futuristic world embroiled in war that is visited by a god that isn't aware it is a god. So I'm actually used to more laid-back, goofy work. The /x/ stuff I did was just to blow off steam. But I'm off track.

While your idea was good, there were a few things about it that doesn't necessarily fit with the feel we wanna go for. Her backstory seems especially grim when we're going for a more lighthearted, though serious story. Sorta like Spider-Man or The Flash.

Another is, perhaps, just a nitpick on my part, but how does she gain her powers again? Reviving the dead isn't really something that's possible.

And if any character would find out Motion's identity, they'd have to be a one shot villain, not a core member of the rogues.

>>28330
I guess I can't keep my word about keeping quiet haha.

Actually I had another idea, but it feels...well, it feels like something that would be immediately shot down.

I thought her origin was much less grim in the second version. She doesn't die, just transformed. Maybe in a more grotesque way then the other characters, but certainly not overly horrible.

>>28331

If you have an idea, say it. The worst is it could be shot down. Its not like we all haven't had ideas of our own declined. I'm the editor and some of my ideas were waved away by the group.

>>28342
Well, the idea was for the same character (Yes, I'm stubborn, but only because I like to keep molding an idea until it's right).

Maybe, instead of being a villain, she'd only initially appear as a villain? As a sort of scenario for what I mean, let's say that after she undergoes her transformation she gets inspired by Motion. Not knowing exactly how to get into contact with her, she mock-terrorizes some people to get Motion's attention. You're average "Heroes fighting before speaking" ensues, and after getting tossed around a bit the character reveals that she just wants to be a hero like Motion. It could be a cute oneshot.

Some thing on the ice woman

Heat tends to have an affect on people, usually makes them angry/quick to anger. Being constantly sweltering she would be angry most of the time.

Also imagine her meeting up with the fire guy (perhaps hes trying the obligatory vilan teamup) She would HATE HIM SO MUCH Spraying all the fire around making her hotter and hotter...

Sorry I've been gone a while...

I was just considering a scenario in my head... What if Motion become so badly injured in a fight that she needs to seek out medical attention. Obviously there's the issue with the secret identity so her only option is to go to the same doctor she confiding her gender reassignment process since she already put her trust into the doctor and there's that whole doctor/patient confidentiality.

I know we're the transgender and superhero issues on different sides of the fence, I'm just tossing out a hypothetical

I've also been playing around with some logo options...

>>28396

That's a neat idea, actually. I like it. Gives us a way to address her transition, with the doc being a somewhat important character who actually has a reason to talk with her about it in conjunction with her crime fightin'.

Also, I'm just amused by the idea of her showing up to her doctor for the first time dressed up in her costume, and the doc being like, excuse me, wtf r u doin?

>>28396

Usually the person who does surgeries and even supplies hormones doesn't have a great relationship with the transsexual.

Also, doctors don't have to keep confidentiality when there are laws being broken. They can call the police.

Finally, suffering enough damage to need medical attention would likely need more than stitches. If a medical procedure happens, it gets written down in the patient's file.

>>28460
Batman had a personal surgeon (though he, before and after that surgeon, also used Alfred for the same purpose), and I am sure there are plenty of heroes who got so banged up that they had to see a doctor. Discretion can be used.

>>28461

As a person who's gone through a bit of medical school, I can say this would be a great risk for the doctor in question.

Heroes like Batman and Green Arrow likely have people who have experience with medical training but not licensed doctors. A doctor has to log everything they use, be it drugs, tools, even minor things.

Also, Batman was a bad choice in example. When you have enough money to buy a bat shaped jet, you can buy yourself a private surgeon.

I think confiding in somebody eventually would definitely be needed, a doctor might be a tad strained. I'd say one of her friends would be a more viable choice, somebody to look after her if she's been injured.

On another topic, I've been developing another AI based villain, but one a lot less gimmicky and darker than the chessmasters.

Oh, my AIM buddy list got erased too.

My handle is "thecomiceditor". If you want/need to speak with me about the project, talk to me some time. If you've already spoken to me, do it again so I can re-add you to my list.

>>28532
>>28531
Granted, but you have to accept that she is -going- to get beat up. Bad. So where is she gonna go? A doctor would have to be retarded to not put 2 and 2 together. News Break: Red haired hero gets hole blasted through chest! Oh, and my patient has a hole just like that through -her- chest.

Jus saying

>>28533

The advantage to our hero is that she does have some shielding from damage, unlike so many vigilante style heroes, a bullet won't hurt her.

I'd imagine that the majority of her injuries would be blunt force, bruises, breaks and cuts.

She is going to be beaten up, but not like in Kick Ass, at least not on a regular basis. Especially strong arcs may require her to be severely hurt, but too much gore can be a real turn off to a reader (See: Invincible) or it starts to lack power and impact (See: Kick Ass).

>>28536
Still, it seems naive that whoever ends up treating her won't notice that she is being regularly beaten and bloodied. I'm not saying she needs a personal surgeon, but it just seems like a large loophole in what you are trying to make a more "realistic" comic.

Just had another idea for a villain/arc...

Basic concept is an illegal underground UFC-style fighting circuit/gambling ring run by a washed up fighting champion banned from sanctioned tournaments and stripped of his sponsors due to the revelation that he was illegally enhancing his body with bionic implants. Frustrated by the establishment, he founded this to-the-death alternative out of spite and has even kidnapped several of his former competition (who he feels exposed him to get him out of the way when it was really his coach who felt the implants were slowly killing him) and forced them to compete, never to be seen again...

Eventually the champ learns of Motion and figures that a Metahuman fighting in his ring will really bring in the gambling chips

As for his look, I'm getting the image of Dana White on roids with his enlarged veins looking like circuitboard wires and wearing gladiatorial wear