OP from the old thread. Also was the one who suggested the subject of public opinion and costume changes.

>>25796
>bildungsroman

English Major, is that you?

>>25797
Well, I like both of those ideas. The costume idea is a cute and symbolic detail, her struggle with public opinion would be a key element to the whole "be yourself/live life your own way" etc. message of a coming of age tale.

I also like the suggestion that the story begin with her being pre-op, and perhaps never actually seeking a full sex change.

>>25797

Whoops, also wanted to say I'd write and give ideas.

I think a few things to bear in mind are the physics of the costume. If it's an A-level hero (Superman, Power Girl) man-to-woman conversion, how are their breasts...if they're prosthetic or implants...going to stand up to a beating without being destroyed. If they're implants, how did they get implanted in bullet-proof skin? If they take hormone therapies, how does they're super-metabolism handle it? Can they take human hormones? You're not just creating a transsexual/transgender character who lives in the real world, you're creating one who deals with superlative adventures.

>>25799

Yeah, what I was thinking of too.

>>25798
Naw, I just got finished with three semesters of English classes. The word is imprinted forever on my brain. blegh

Also, I can writefag a little bit. I'm a terrible artist but I can storyboard alright.

>>25802
>if they're prosthetic or implants
Perhaps prosthetic until she actually gets implants

>going to stand up to a beating without being destroyed. If they're implants, how did they get implanted in bullet-proof skin?
That'd depend on the powers we decide upon

I think removing the multi-anon syndrom by giving yourself a name should help. Gets confusing with too many people.

>>25802

Well, I suppose we have to settle right now whether she's a super hero/mutie, or just a vigilante. I think either one has some interesting components to it. For example, being a vigilante could earn her even more public scrutiny for being 'insane,' 'attention-seeking' and 'deviant'.

>>25808

Well, I think we should figure her powers first, then backtrack for a logical way she actually got those powers.

I'm somewhat against the idea of a non powered Batman-esque vigilante. Always been more of a fan of the cape comic superheroes.

>>25811
I think we're the only two posting/here.

1. I'd say male to female, its a little more 'common' in the public eye and would allow for a better comparison, costume wise, to go from a male to a female's.

2. I'd say Superhero, but that's just me.

3. Setting can be debated later, I'd say in America. Time, moder/near modern (ala DC).

4. Really, this comes down to personality, story and writing.

5. Would have to be discussed after we figure out their powers.

6. See #5, though I've had a number of ideas for a long time for villains. Then again, villains often have a theme and say something about the hero they fight.

7. This would need to be discussed at length, I think

>>25812
Choose the powers and I'll rejoin the conversation.

My main question is: if you go the super-powers-unto-cosmic route, say Green Lantern, then what would keep your character from using the Power Ring to alter her body to be a woman all the time. If that's the case, does the character then become a woman or is she still trans?

>>25814

There was a GL that aged her body to be legal age for Hal to have sex with.

That said, any form of shape-shifting would basically take the whole transsexual swing on things out of the picture, as they'd just become a woman.

>>25798

No. This is me.

>>25812

And the band-wagon dies

My own personal feelings:

1. If we can't decide on whether or not to have a male to female or female to male hero, let's do both! Never said there couldn't be one hero or so.

2. Super is fine with me too.

3. Modern USA it is, although the USA is pretty big. I'm personally tired of New York, so I'd rather have somewhere else.

4. I'm just thinking things along the lines of details that make the people like the character. It's a bit trite to write a series about a transsexual and just focus on that. It's like homosexuals who focus only on their homosexuality.

5, 6, & 7 can be discussed later

You know, an important thing will probably be the age of the character. It would have the biggest impact on how the setting interacts with the character.

>>25816
> That said, any form of shape-shifting would basically take the whole transsexual swing on things out of the picture, as they'd just become a woman.

But if you ask a transsexual/transgendered woman if they're a woman, wouldn't they tell you they were a woman? I thought that was the point of trans-people, they're working toward physically being what they mentally fell they are.

>>25818

I'm a fan of Chicago

1. Male to Female. I wish FTMs had enough mainstream recognition to make a comic like this, but we're on shaky ground with it already. Also, a FTM could be interpreted as a girl who wants to be as powerful as a man--a sort of anti-girl power message. I don't see it that way, but I think it could be interpreted that way. A MTF has the implication of "giving up" a god-given advantage (maleness) in western society for something "weaker"--our character would hopefully proving that this is not a weakness at all.

2. I'm up for either super powers or vigilantism. Vigilante is interesting to me because it draws the story more into the "real world"--the character must deal with those constraints in both her "professional" and personal life. Superhero is just plain fun and accessible (unless we go for grimdark...please no), and probably also has some interesting aspects that I haven't given enough time to think about!

3. Time and Setting? A little but in the past would interest me. 80's or 90's. But the present will also do. I would like to go for America. Should it be in a made up city or based on a real city? (Or not even a city? Why are superheros in cities all the time?)

4. What makes the character compelling other than their transsexualism? Whatever makes other characters compelling other than their super powers, I'm sure we'll all arrive at discussing this soon.

>>25820
Chicago is good.

Age wise, I'd think somewhere along the lines of late high school or early college. If we make them too old, it may be unbelievable that they've went this long without changing. If we make them too young it makes things silly/creepy.

>>25823
Unless they are post-op and have been trans for a few years.

>>25824

Going post-op takes a lot of money, just saying.

>>25821
> (Or not even a city? Why are superheros in cities all the time?)

Here we go: A hero without a city. A traveling transsexual hero who happens to go from city to city without any one in particular. Age wise they are out of Highschool and are about 19-20 years old.

They can have a power AND be a vigilante. It doesn't have to be a dramatic or all encompassing power. I'm thinking along the lines of an X-Men style for powers.

>>25826

Well, if they're a wandering superhero, we lack a lot of the public reaction that you get from a city that has been saved time and time again by the same person.

>>25825
If only vigilante heroes could also be billionaires. Hmm.

>>25828

Wouldn't that be drawing too much comparison to the already tapped genre of Billionaire Crime Fighter?

Hero is traveling in order to save up money for their surgery? Could be a twist on things, they're not really a hero per se, just a nice person who needs cash.

>>25826
Huh, could work. She could be traveling at first because she got kicked out by her parents, and later just never got the wandering bug out of herself once she got used to it. Her wanderlust could coincide with her not knowing what she wants in her life yet--not being able to settle on 'here' or 'there'. Er somethin.

And I think a simple X-Men type power would be the way to go. Something like Kitty Pryde.

>>25802

I'd like to keep it all natural, with as little surgery as possible. I think the best way to get across the message of the whole story is to show that the whole thing can be done naturally. This also avoids any and all difficulties with the whole transplant thing. I think that would be just as ridiculous as, oh lets say...having a superhero who has HIV.

>>25832

A "natural" super-hero story. Uh-huh. I'm out.

>>25830

Hahah, I like this. "I saved your butt, so, um...m-may I please have $5? It's for an operation..."

If I had to choose a power, I'd choose the generic trio of flight, strength, bulletproof, plus a defining power that separates her from the others.

>>25833
He means natural as in the person doesn't go under the knife a dozen times. It opens up too many plot holes.

>>25831
>And I think a simple X-Men type power would be the way to go. Something like Kitty Pryde.

Problem with the X-Men's powers are they're one trick pony's. They work in groups or in a team, which is why each of them having only 1 or 2 very specific powers work.

>>25838
Hm, good point.

Does our character's universe have lots of superheroes? Because if not, then I think a simple power would work--she's the only one who can do these things. Several more heroes would mean she's have to team up (could be interesting as she travels to different cities), or just have more OUTRAEGOUS powers.

>>25839

Just my opinion, I'd think adding in 'teams' would over complicate the comic. As things go on, more characters could be added, but starting off relatively simply would be key.

Hm, I think it died already.

I'm still willing to work with anyone who wants to take a swing at it.

>>25842
Guy who keeps making lists here, I'm still interested in this.

>>25843

"Guy who makes lists" Should be your name

I'm still interested, but +4 does move more slowly than 4chan. I'll be checking this out over time.

>>25833
>Disagree with something
>Walk out right away

Anyway, we have some good ideas being tossed around. I think we've decided on a modern era story.

We're sorta in flux about what we want for a setting... I'm still in favor of Chicago, since I don't think many comic books take place there.

I would kind of like to see the story like this:

The Gist: College-Age Transsexual wanders across the US, doing heroics here and there in order to extort money for their surgery. He/she is gifted with a strange power, and the villains and monsters faced are similarly endowed. It's not a traditional superhero story where people are running around in costumes, instead it's a bit more subdued and on the "outside" of things. Generally the events in the story occur in places outside the mainstream.

The Hero: A Transsexual, of course, but also a normal human being. Her/his parents did not accept their child being Transsexual, forcing her/him to become independent and finance their surgery on their own. Aside from their sexuality, we need to add details to flesh out the character so it's not a one-sided gimmick. In general, they are a behind-the-scenes hero and something

The Setting: The story could start in the 90's, it's always nice to write a story with some idea of how the future is going to play out. Eventually it could get to the 00's, but not for a while. The hero does travel from city to city, but does spend a good while in each city before moving on.


Things to flesh out for the hero:

1. Their name
2. Age
3. Ethnicity (Personally I vote... Asian)
4. Power

As for the powers in the series, I'm still going with the X-Men route. Although the powers in the series can be considered one trick ponies, if a simple enough power is given that could work in any situation, then that should be avoided. DC-style heroes are larger than life and are a bit more well-rounded, which the hero could eventually become like after learning more fighting abilties.

>Transsexual wanders across the US, doing heroics here and there in order to extort money for their surgery.

That just feels wrong.

>>25849
In a humorous way. You know, like after the day is saved they want a little for themselves.

Of course since the hero is a nice person they generally give away the money they saved up every once in a while.

>DC-style heroes are larger than life and are a bit more well-rounded, which the hero could eventually become like after learning more fighting abilties.

I've always disliked the X-Men, personally and I've liked DC more than Marvel, except for Spider-Man. A hero shouldn't develop new powers as the series goes on. Different application for the same powers, sure, but not brand new ones.

>>25851

Still feels wrong. Did Spider-Man charge to buy MJ her ring? Superheroes shouldn't charge for their services, even if its after the fact.

I think the story should stay in a single city, with the person either going to school or working a job, or both. Transsexuals have to deal with school and work, as well as their personal lives.

Also, I really think that they should go up to the point of the operation, but not going through with it.

>>25852
Hence the need for a seemingly simple power. I'll use a Japanese example from a manga called JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

There's a character who can control weather. Yeah, he's just like Storm and can summon lightning and all that, but eventually he is able to alter the atmosphere in such a way to cause sunlight to create hallucinations and subliminal messages in the minds of his opponents. He can fill a room with lethal amounts of oxygen and suffocate his opponents, as well as call upon the more unusual side of weather, like frogs falling from the sky.

>>25853
See
>>25834

The person doesn't have to be a super hero, just a person with a super power who's nice at times, but has a clear goal.

>>25854
The series can start with them traveling, but eventually they could settle down in one city.

>>25855
>The person doesn't have to be a super hero, just a person with a super power who's nice at times, but has a clear goal.

I think this was supposed to be a Super Hero comic. That's the impression I got.

>>25855
How exactly do they get across the country? Do the villains chase after them or do we have to literally do a 'villain an issue' run? Where do they sleep? Do they eat? Etc.

It opens up a lot more plot holes and is a lot you can't really relate to the situation in an already 'fringe' character.

>>25856
Well, we were kind of torn between vigilante or super hero in the beginning. By definition, a super hero is someone with super powers who saves the day. Our hero is unorthodox, and could very well be an unorthodox superhero.

No need to beat the broken track. If we're going to try something different with the hero, we should try something different in other places too.

>I'll use a Japanese example from a manga called JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
>Manga

Urrrrgh.

>>25858

Because people should be able to relate to the character on a few levels. Making them a transsexual already alienates them, putting them further out of the norm further ostracizes them.

I'd like to know whether you guys are seeing this as an ongoing story, or something that is going to have a clear ending. I vote clear ending; since we're just some rag-tag anons working on this, it would be easy to abandon. With an end goal we'll at least have gone a certain distance with it if it does get abandoned, or maybe actually have the motivation to reach the end. Also, it's easier to work out a plot outline.

>>25862

I say ongoing with various plot arcs that we could use as goals. So that we can continue should we finish a plot arc, not limiting ourselves.

>>25862

I'd say on going, if only because I'd like the see the character live and grow past a singular story.

>>25862

Eh, I'm sorta okay with either, but an ongoing would be awesome if we could pull it off.

Really, I'd really like a cape comic with this setting. Set in a city, where the hero has to deal with balancing their real life, their superhero life and their sexuality. Something traditional, with a little twist.

Allowing them to stay in a singular city could allow us to build up and develop a group of rogues that actually mean something and have repeated, significant impacts on the hero.

I thought Superwoman would've joined in by now. Huh

I'm interested in helping, if you'll have me. I know I'm not the most popular person on /co/.

>>25869

I have no idea who you are.

>>25866

Alright, so...Fictional "Metropoville" city? Fictional small town?

Or fictional Chicago/NY/LA/etc.?

>>25872

Well, I've said my choice is Chicago, since it seems like nothing happens there in comics.

And Chicago deep dish pizza. Mmmmm

I think it needs to be a larger city either way.
Maybe San Fran or somewhere medium-sized like that?

>>25874
>San Fran

Gay stereotype.

Remember to try and bump the original /co/ thread to get more support.

http://boards.4chan.org/co/res/16809948

Hm, any ideas for powers? Like I said, I'm always a fan of the big 3 (strength, flight, bulletproof), plus a 4th to distinguish the character. Though I'd have to think what the forth, unique power would be.

>>25878
She can spontaneously make men like the cock.

>>25879

>>25874
Personally, I'm in favor of Miami.

In terms of what gender the character is transitioning to, I would have to say M2F. It is a lot more common for guys to want to be girls instead, for a start and I would say it would be harder on the M2F than the F2M when it comes to starting a new life? I mean, they are giving up that advantage as one said, plus a lot of shit can happen with friends, family, strangers, etc...but again, M2F is more common so that will explain why,

Of course, you do not want to make it a BIG part of the characters reason for existing - just a part of their character. I would say that if this were to ger scripted, then the character should be covered from an early age, then maybe a more adult age, to see how the character has progressed in the world as a TS heroine.

If at early age, I think a fake breasts would be the best start - I do not know how the character would like to present themselves, as it depends on how the character feels about themselves. At the adult phase she can have implants and whatever else she desires.

In regards to how she gets them with bulletproof skin or what-not, you can give her a side-kick of sorts that has knowledge in adapting ones physical make-up. Far-fetched, maybe - but at least she has someone to be personal with, at least.

Location? I would say America as well...I do not know how you guys handle the TS/TG crowd - though being America it sounds intriguing.

The characteristics depends on how you want to mold a character...I would say give her a personality that can get with anyone she meets...though somewhat aloof. Plus give her something she enjoys that is part of her hero act.

Why she wants to be a hero - something to think about. Maybe she always had something special about her, but she did not wish to employ it into her life due to something happening at her youth? Then later on something happens which triggers her to use her ability once more. I do not know, just throwing out ideas. Someone giving her the courage to effectively live her life would not be a bad place to start.

Powers...really have to think about this. Not too strong though - something that gives her a massive edge in battle but at the same time she is still fairlly vulnerable. I think it would make for more interesting encounters.

Antagonist - male or female?

As for time...I would say 90's working into around present time.

I think the most interesting thing about the character would be how she interacts with others. Is she a looker? Do people doubt what they see? Obviously, many a TG/TS individual would love to look like a pretty girl/woman, but this is not usually the case for some. Though you get some people who transition not caring much if they pass at social standards or not (like myself).

>>25883

Hey, nice to you see

Posting from my iPhone and PS3 because, you know, laptop being an ass.

Ethnicity...need to think about this one.

>>25883

Well, it depends on their age, but their civilian life would be hell. Do they work or go to school?

I think a young adult, just starting to transition and working his/her way through it over the story would work best.

As for what would drive them to super heroism, you have a few options. Responsibility, thrill seeking, tragedy or irritation.

>>25885

I'd honestly just stay Caucasian.

As for her villains, I'd say a healthy rogue's gallery containing both male and females.

>>25887

Caucasian with Red hair.

>>25888
I wonder where that idea came from...

>>25889

I swear, it wasn't from the OP pic.

Was watching Doctor Who

>>25887

I am also led to assume that one of her rogues would know her 'secret'?

Speaking of red hair - would our heroine be one to completely change her look for heroic activities, rather than just be as she is but in a different attire?

I would be drawing stuff but I cannot for a little while (for those who do not know, I am one of those drawfag things (shameless plug = http://izanamitrap.wordpress.com ).

>>25882

Any reason why?

>>25892

Depends, again. I'd say if they were in the middle of transitioning, they'd have short hair and have to wear a wig until it grows out to the length she wants. Then have her keep it long while crime fighting, pinning it up for civilian life.

>>25893
Miami is one of the cities I know that has it's share of strangeness, but can still be shocked by things. It has a varied and diverse population. And it isn't used too much in stories, like New York or LA.

Plus, I fucking love palm trees.

>>25892

Great art too. Would you be willing to do the concept art?

>>25895

The one thing I dislike in places like Miami, Texas, etc, is that they have no winter.

And I love winter scenes in comics.

>>25897
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. Giant poof hats and scarves are quite adorable.
But, everyone has there own tastes and mine fall in the warmer climates.

>>25898

Was more referring to the snow capped buildings, but scarves and poofy hats are nice too.

Also, issue of weatherproofing your superhero outfit, ala Spectacular Spiderman.

Well, if this helps, I've been tooling around with a superhero myself. Generally, he draws kinetic energy in and fires them out of his hands. He has a force field, like how green lanterns have.

He can't fly, at least at the start, instead having to fire bolts out of his hands to do extended jumps, which then progress to being able to fire a stream of energy out of his hands to act like a rocket, then finally, when the powers are fully developed, he can use his hands and feel to maneuver around.

Could be something to think about for this hero's powers. Allows for flight (eventually), strength, resistant protection and offensive firepower.

Any more suggestions?

>>25896

Do not see why not.

Powers, I need Powers of Spider- wait, no. Still, I need ideas for powers.

Anyone still here?

>>25911
Lurking. I am intrigued by this project, being trans myself. Excited to see where it will go.

I think the comic should take place while she's in her late teens and early twenties, and cover her school/work experiences, and I'm really liking the suggestion of Miami.

But I do think childhood ought to be covered a bit, and I, too, enjoy winter scenes. Which means we're going to need a lot of flashbacks to her childhood in...Nevada? Wisconsin? British Columbia (Damn, what brought her all the way to Florida)?

As for her race/appearance...Caucasian redhead is adorable, but I'm always for creating hispanic characters. So if we're in need of a hispanic (specifically Mexican, but if it's in Miami I guess not!) character, even as a minor char, I can provide some reference on Spanish dialogue and hispanic (primarily mexican-american) culture :)

Also, awesome art, drawfriend!

>>25913

I actually have an idea for a villain who I always imaged was of Mexican (or similar) decent. I knew this welder in high school, could do amazing stuff that nobody else could and he was Hispanic. CAme up with a pyro based villain off him.

>>25912

Well, contributions are always appreciated.