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25796 No.25796
A tasteful bildungsroman about a MTF transsexual super hero. Can it be done?

ITT: Let's flesh out the tranny idea /co/ was kicking around.

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No.26629
>>26628
Actually, on an atomic level heat is the sum of kinetic and potential energy. If she removed the kinetic energy of the particles making up the blast front (for high explosives) or the heat from the materials after they've reacted (for low explosives), she could get the same effect as defusing a bomb. Just more dangerously.

It's up to you if you want to make her powers that fine-grained, though. That's edging into powergaming territory. Maybe it could be something that she knows she could do someday with sufficient training, but can't do just yet?

No.26631
>>26629

Well, technically, you're right. However I do agree that its reaching into a very high level of power to do that.

However, isn't heat due to kinetic energy a result of friction? If you light a match, the initial heat that starts it is due to the kinetic energy and the friction, however the flame comes from the chemical reaction of the match head.

If I'm wrong, please tell me. I have a rather general knowledge of thermodynamics and physics.

No.26632
>>26631
>However, isn't heat due to kinetic energy a result of friction?
All temperatures are just a measure of kinetic energy in a system. Particles moving = particles have a temperature.
"Heat" is the energy transferring from one particle to another, which is then "stored" as temperature (and kinetic energy.) How it can be transferred varies, from electromagnetic radiation to particles hitting each other.

If her ability is to absorb kinetic energy (but NOT heat), she could stop an explosion by absorbing kinetic energy from all particles present in the immediate explosion and the remaining energy as it was transferred to the surrounding particles.

If you want to be really wonky, wave/particle duality would suggest she should be able to absorb all energy, period. Photons, radio waves, whatever. 'cuz all this shit is, at heart, just "stuff vibrating and/or colliding with other stuff."

No.26633
>>26632

True, though it would be somewhat complicated as her power to siphon the energy does require (or at least work best) through her hands and feet. I'd imagine 'grabbing an explosion' would be a touch difficult.

As well, I had figured on giving her a limit as to how much she could absorb before it has negative effects. Reason being that we would need her shield and strength to have a limit.

So I think what it is theoretically possible she could stop an explosion that way, I think it's a little out of her reach, at least during the start of the comic.

No.26634
>>26633
Oh sure, I'm just fleshing out the science behind your SCIENCE!

No.26636
>>26634

Oh, I don't mind. Please, chime in whenever you want.

No.26652
>>26631
>However, isn't heat due to kinetic energy a result of friction?
Friction is one source of heat. There can be others; a collision between a moving and a stationary object would transfer kinetic energy throughout the stationary object, heating it up slightly. However, that's a really special case; a collision that would transfer a measurable amount of heat would probably completely destroy any normal object.

Generally, yes, I think you're right; the other heat transfer methods are conduction/convection/metabolism/radiation, but those don't fit the character and it would make a seriously broken powerset to include them. For the stuff we're talking about, friction is one of the main methods of moving heat around. So yeah, you're right.

Anyway, that's a side track. The "only works through hands and feet" requirement actually solves the bomb-defusing question handily. Even if she did have fine enough control over her powers that she could sap the energy out of a whole set of exploding particles, she'd need to get her hands on them first.

An easy way to get around the whole issue is to say that for the sake of her powers, an exploding object is not considered to be a solid object. That way, she'd be limited to controlling what her hands could intercept after the explosion had happened (which would be precious little of the expanding or burning material). Actually, this might have been what you were initially proposing.

Eventually, she might be able to shield herself by laying flat and stretched down over her legs and splaying her hands and feet out in front of her, to minimize her profile and try to stop whatever parts of the blast do come her way.

No.26657
>>26652
>Eventually, she might be able to shield herself by laying flat and stretched down over her legs and splaying her hands and feet out in front of her, to minimize her profile and try to stop whatever parts of the blast do come her way.

Doesn't she have a shield? I mean, if she wanted to minimize a bomb explosion she'd probably throw herself on top of it and take the brunt force of it.

No.26659
>>26657
Oh, true. I forgot about that. My bad.

No.26662
I got my laptop...and it kicks my old laptops ass. Now I have to break it in before I get started on anything major.

No.26663
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26663
>>26662

Awesome, can't wait to see your sketches.

No.26670
>>26662

Oooh, hope we'll see some of those drawings you mentioned!

No.26671
Forgot to install the household scanner/printer - better do that.

No.26724
Feel free to list off villain ideas. Generally, if possible, I might work with the description and tweak a few things for a possible rogue.

No.26735
Hey, I just popped in here off of /co/ and read through your stuff. Sounds really interesting! And I'm really interested in the project. I don't think there's much I could do to help, my drawfag abilities pale in comparison to some of the art already present...
and, I'm uncertain about my ability to writefag a comic.

Anyway, I do find this really interested, and I'd like to keep tabs on it if you all continue to post here.

I do want to say that I come from an Irish Catholic family, so, any questions about that, shoot. Also, just personal, I'd really prefer if she didn't have the name Flynn. If everyone is dead set on it, then by all means, but, personally it's... I don't like it from a character point of view.
I preferred Hughes, actually. Or another name.

Something else, therapy. How will this affect the character? Will sessions be covered by the comic, or just touched upon? Will this character know other characters transitioning? Acquaintances, ect?
Although I do agree it would be a poor choice to make another plot-heavy character (villain) transsexual. Not that our hero should strictly be fighting the 'norm' (as that in itself highlights that her differences should be frowned upon), but you understand it would be awkwardly coincidental.

I have a close friend who wants to begin transitioning right now, and wants to go the whole way, so, I'm really interested to see what you guys come up with!

No.26753
>>26735

On the topic of her name, it still is open to debate, though I think some of us got attached to Flynn. Why exactly are you against it? Why does it not fit her character and, also, why does Hughes?

On the note of her therapy, I think the perfect time to start is after she's done the three months of analysis and just started hormones and college.

As for acquaintances, I think just having her makes it a little bit better. Not only will she be doing it on her own, it'll prevent the temptation of soapboxing, which is something a comic like this would need to avoid.

No.26760
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26760
Sorry it's been a while... Vacationing in Nebraska with family

Here's a "cover" I drew on the flight over with Motion and our potential fear villain

No.26761
>>26760

Welcome back, always happy to see people contribute.

And the cover looks good, nice to see people are thinking of character designs.

No.26774
Is it just me or have a few of the trips disappeared? Banth, Wonder and Superwoman all stopped posting.

No.26775
It would actually be a nicee cover - who would suspect that this sultry, sexy superheroine is a dude?

No.26778
>>26775

Technically, she's going to be feminine out of costume too.

No.26779
If anyone needs to talk to me in real time, my AIM name is "thecomiceditor".

No.26785
>>26774
>Banth, Wonder and Superwoman all stopped posting.

Banth posted a week ago, saying he was busy, though I hope he gives us an update soon. Wonder posted almost two weeks ago, so you can assume he's gone (shame). Superwoman is posting under another name and, in fact, said she'd be drawing something for us.

No.26790
>>26753

To be honest I think its simply a matter of personal preference. A few years ago I knew a 'budding writer', whose characters were always of Irish Catholic decent. Dealing with her made me loathe the stereotypical Irish names, like Flynn.
It's not a bad name, and if you have all become taken with it, then by all means, go for it. It was only mentioned once in thread as being a nice name, I think, so I wasn't sure if it was decided on.
I find Hughes to be a 'sturdier' name, which I think the character will need.

Alex also doesn't have much of a personality yet, besides a basic understanding of the changes she's going to undergo from beginning of comic, to end of comic. So, I can't really say if either name would 'fit' her. Since, my understanding of the potential character are different from the collective anon.

No.26800
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26800
>>26785
I was on a vacation for the last while, due to my leaving for Navy basic training soon (as in Tuesday). I've been posting as anonymous randomly, though, so i haven't been completely disappeared. Funny, i'll be right next to Chicago, lmao, so if this thread is still around when I start going to A School, I'll let y'all know about Chicago life.

It seems Motion is about 80% done. A few of the minor things still need tweaking, but she seems to be a rather solid character, now.
As for those villains that need fleshing out, I particularly love the Magnificent Bastards and the Necessarily Evil ones. I'd like to propose the initial idea for a sort of blend of those two tropes. Since I'll only be around for the next two days, I'll let y'all do whatever with my character idea.

Real Name: unknown
Alias: unknown
Powers&Abilities: Peak physical condition, wings allow subsonic flight, mastery of Tai Chi, Mantis Style kung-fu and Jujitsu (maybe a few others, but those three for sure), genius level intellect, exceptional strategist and tactician, Ph.D. in Psychology, Sociology and Philosophy
History: went through life rather ordinarily until about high school, when he began to actively learn about the world around him. Learned of all the evil that mankind does and decided that the best way to deal with it was to be evil himself. In essence- he will commit evil unto evil, destroying it by being it. Doing what the heroes cannot. Only goes after a hero if they get in his way, and has no qualms about siding with anybody to achieve a specific goal.

So yeah. Super basic overview of my villain idea. I'll let y'all do what you want with him. Pic not related, but thought y'all would like it.

No.26864
I am letting the team down...been whisked away into the magical world of sketching and all that crap. I am off work for the next two days after today AND I WILL MAKE THE TIME FOR SKETCHES GOTDAMIT SO HELP ME GAHD

No.26865
>>26864

Add me on AIM if you want so I can remind you if need be.

And so this means no sketches until... thursday?

No.26870
>>26865

Depends on yout time zone I guess.

I am from the UK and will be off work on Wednesday and Thursday...do not know where that falls with you.

No.26874
>>26870

I misread that as "off to work". I'm six hours behind London time.

No.26878
>>26790

Well, Flynn means "Red". Hughes means fire. Generally, it'd be nice to have a name that means something. And Hughes is, actually, a traditional Irish name (perhaps not as immediately recognizable as O'Donnel or such, but still traditional).

>>26800
I'd say that your idea is a good starting point for a villain, perhaps one that takes on the mob. The wings, would they be mechanical or natural?

No.26883
>>26878
I really, really like natural, feathery wings, but that may seem a bit out of place. And I just kind of threw that in at the last second right before I posted it. I was also thinking maybe he could control glass, because that's a nifty ability that maybe 2 characters ever have had. If the character is given a power, it wouldn't be something uber, but just enough to give a small edge. Also, depending on the power, it would be a last resort. Glass manipulation would be a last resort, but wings would be more direct (just fly around, stay out of harms way)

No.26918
>>26883
okay, so, i did some reading and research and thinking and came up with some more to add to my character idea- he was once an amazing hero, gifted with huge, magnificent feathered wings and the strength to combat any evil thrown his way while upholding a strict code of honour. A modern day Knight or Paladin, if you will. The country loved him, and he loved the country. While staying mainly around the Chicago area, he would travel elsewhere when needed or called upon. However, one day, tragedy struck. A villain came seeking out the winged hero. A crazed, homicidal and overpowered titan, the villain was able to defeat the hero, and in an act of humiliation, ripped the wings from the hero's back and broke his spine just above the waist. The hero, fallen, watched as the people around him ran in terror, caring only about their own safety. The revelation that they only loved him because he did what they would not struck him harder than any physical pain he had ever endured, and so he grew bitter and callous. Hating the people that turned from him the moment he fell, the former hero became a hollow shell of what he once was, giving up his moral code of honour, setting aside his hero suit, and shunning humanity.
But the need and desire to help people remained, despite his hatred. And so he took on a new persona, one that wouldn't be held back by the laws of man or his own ethical standings. He would do what was necessary to achieve a greater good, not what was "good" or "right" or "just." Still technically a hero, but on the surface every bit a villain, he will do what no other hero is willing- or is allowed- to do. He will do anything and everything to ensure that humanity gets their "utopia" even if he realizes he no longer has a place in it.

No.26919
>>26918

The idea would work for a comic of his own but probably not as a supporting character.

No.26924
>>26919
since the story is about Motion, not that guy, the reader wouldn't know any of that. We would just see a bitter mastermind in a wheelchair who is evil. depending on how far the comic goes, we would learn more and more about his past. if the comic is eventually going to have a definitive end, then near said end the reader would become fully aware of the villain's past. If it's an ongoing, then the reader would never become fully aware, unless someone decided to give him his own one shot or something.

No.26937
>>26924
>>26918

Technically, this would put the character into the "chess-master" role, a step below "magnificent bastard".

According to TVtropes, a Magnificent bastard tends to enter the fray with the hero and throws down, compared to the chess master who just manipulates.

No.26950
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26950
>>26918

There are a few problems with this, the first being that it hurts Motion's impact on the city if the essentially had Superman living there before.

The other is that MBs usually require a lot of money that lets them pull Xanatos Gambits freely (see below for a Xanatos Gambit explanation). Generally, the crowning moment of a Bastard is when they've completely out thought the hero, worn them down, then walk up to them in battlegear/on a glider/etc and absolutely curbstomp them, leaving the audience in awe.


Xanatos Gambits: A Xanatos Gambit gets its name from Gargoyles, after the main antagonist. The idea is that the Gambit relies on the two outcomes of an altercation, A and B. A is the direct, straightforward outcome (robbing the bank, destroying the hero, etc) while B results from A's failure, but in the acquisition of something else the villain wants (Hero stops the bank robbery, but the villain was really aiming to disable the security system for a robbery the next day).

Master Planner type villains use these. They also use Batman Gambits (which rely on expecting what a person will do in a certain situation and manipulate that), Xanatos Roulette (which is a more intritcate, nearly impossible X.Gambit) and the Speed Chess (the ability to modify a plan on the fly).

If you're an anime fan, Death Note features a handful of "Magnificent Bastards", pulling multiple Batman Gambits, Xanatos Gambits/Roulette and Speed Chess.

No.26963
One idea I had is an AI program gone rogue. However, one way they got it to learn was through chess. When the AI finally turns, it becomes a chess based villain. It splits into six variants of itself, two female, four male, King, Queen, Rook, Bishop, Knight and Pawn.

Eventually, they evolve into fully functioning intelligence, with their own personality and they work in organized crime.

Each has a different skill, be it propulser based speed (knight), shielding (pawn), strength (rook), energy blasts (bishop), all the aforementioned (queen), technology control and a blade (king).

Would be a nice white motif, perhaps red to add color.

No.26997
>>26963
I like it... They could refer to locations in the city as quadrants of acres rather than by name

As for appearance, they come off as the type as the type who would choose the "sleek" look for their constructs ala Wall-e's Eve or GLaDoS

No.26998
>>26997

Yeah, I imagine for them a battlefield or the entire city would look like a chessboard and to figure out what they'd do next, one would have to figure that out.

I figured that each would have similar models so that it'd look like they use the same model of skeleton, but with different parts and armor put overtop to differentiate them.

Like, I thought a good touch would be that they wear a sort of white synthetic skin/spandex that'd make them look human, until cut open.

No.27003
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27003
I did not think it would take too long, but I ended up drawing and colouring one picture for the better part of my day for some reason - I did not get to do a lot of things I wanted to do last night :(

In any case, MSN me if you want anything ( zakuta@gmail.com ) ... I still have another day to go through some sketches.

No.27006
>>27003

Added to AIM!

No.27091
Hey there just a /co/mrade here that was interested from your guy's troll infested threads. The OP had asked about villian ideas and I thought I'd share my idea here sence it always dies in about a half hour.
I think it'd be neat to have a villian who constantly researches the hero and pulls a kind of reverse batman (if possible?). He runs tests and tries to figure out how to take away the MCs power. He's always in the background observing, waiting for his time to strike. Hell he could be the BBEG of the metaplot. He could be her overall force to fight again, sending goons and perhaps other villians against her.

No.27107
>>27091

This kind of villain is called either a Chessmaster or a Magnificent Bastard (Difference being a Chessmaster will let his goons beat the hero down while the MB will actually do it him or herself).

We are working on something like that, a villain who will exhaust Motion until they have every advantage, then come out and curb stomp her.

No.27109
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27109
Sup folks, just jumped in from /cd/.

Anyway, I liked the idea of a diseased supervillain, but has anyone thought of a mystical one? A disembodied spirit, like the liches in Warcraft, with proportionate hands, of course. I was thinking about an entity of disease and atrophy.

No.27112
>>27109

I think we're going with science instead of magic. I think the setting of the comic is taking place in the 'near future' where lots of what happens is plausible.

No.27184
>>27109

This >>27112

We're trying to keep away from magic and aliens, at least to start out with because once you get into magic and aliens you start to get a massive clusterfuck of magic and science. Sometimes it can be pulled off well, other times it just opens up plot holes.

Another reason is that we're already grounding so many enemies in physics/science that it'd be jarring to have an enemy use magic that obviously breaks the laws of nature.

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27309
I ended up sketching her again.

No.27356
New thread found here:
https://plus4chan.org/boards/coc/res/27355.html

No.27624
closest i could think of was in a superhero game I ran, I had a character called Diskette

he was a crossdressing homosexual teenage boy with a supersuit that had built in breast implants and various discus-based weapons

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27638
>>26600 These sick, degenerative "wierdos".



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