Hey there good fellows!For the longest time, I've had the desire to remake Ben 10, expand on the original universe, deeper characters, and other such various bollocks.The general plot so far is thus:"Calvin Vulmer is a terroristAt least that's what he's been told, to be honest Calvin has no idea why he's been expelled from the plumbers, convicted of treason, and other various acts. All he knows is that the most powerful weapon in the universe is stuck on his left hand, and 95% of Earth's popluation thinks he's a criminal.Along with "Maddie" an Appoplexian gym teacher (and Calvin's only remaining confiedant), he travels across the universe looking for answers and the chance to clear his name."It'd be an over arcing plot obviously, with sub-arcs, recurring villians and allies, character development and such.I'm here to gather input and the like, Alien setlists, Villians, character ideas, story arcs, etc.So without further ado, I leave it over to you good folks.
how many aliens can calvin immediately access?I think anything over 50 is overkill, since it's not so much a weapon, but an intergalactic "ark." Calvin should have a set limit accessible (like Ben originally did) despite every other species' DNA being on it, but no timer. Those that he can access should be more general races, rather than environment specific like Ripjaws was.Also, why is Maddie helping? Does she have a crush on him, or does she figure she'll get to pound the most heads by following this "criminal" around?There should also be a third, possibly a fourth. The third, most definitely, should be some sort of technician/mechanic/engineer, since you never know when you're going to need to hack something/break something/fix something/etc. The fourth, if you want to include a fourth, should be some sort of face for the group, or mayhaps the pilot of the space ship that takes them all over the universe.Some aliens I think would work well. idk if you want to or plan to create some new aliens just for the hell of it.Cannonbolt (big, burly, extreme defenses and has a unique power. I haven't seen the new alien evolution, or whatever it's called, where Ben can upgrade all his aliens)Nanomech (becoming really tiny has can have it's advantages, especially with those energy bolts he can do)Heatblast (can survive anywhere hotter than normal, has more range than Swampfire, despite Swampfire having more powers)Humongosaur/Way Big (Just as being tiny can be helpful, so can being frickin massive. Humongosaur has more offensive prowess, whereas Way Big is just, you know, big...)Upgrade (if you don't want those extra group members)Goop (why not?)Echo Echo (at the moment, i can't see a use, but self-duplication and supersonic sound projection? gotta come in handy at some point. Better than Ditto as Echo can multiply indefinitely and can act independently from other echoes)XLR8 (though a bit slow for my tastes, he's still the fastest anything in the show. Also, i'm a huge fan of speedster characters)Anodite (direct and absolute control over pure energy? I can find many uses for that)
>>24881Actually Calvin only has access to the original 10 (C-Bolt swapped out for Ghostfreak of course), and yes Maddie does have a crush on Calvin. (They've known each other since high school, too.)There was a 3rd member (A Galvanic Mechomorph named Jah-C) but decided against it, mainly because I thought people are tired of the sarcastic, smarmy robot companion stereotype.Maybe Cooper or some other technopath?I originally wanted to create some new aliens, but then I realized it'd be best to say as close to canon as possible.Rebutal?
>>24882i am content with the original ten. They were pretty generalized themselves, again, with the exception of Ripjaws and possibly Stinkfly. Maybe just swap those two for Big Chill and another? (This coming from the guy that wanted more of Ripjaws, him being his second favourite, tied with Cannonbolt. XLR8 ranks first).I like the idea of having a multi-terrestrial team, so keep Jah-C. He should be the smart one of the three, though, but not like a douche smart guy, with Calvin taking the role of sarcastic hero, and Maddie... well we all know why the Appoplexians are so awesome.Will Calvin be able to "unlock" other aliens as time goes on, or is the Omnitrix set to those first ten? Either way, it would make for an interesting story- his enemies soon learn that he can't transform into other aliens, so Calvin learns to get real creative with what he has, or similar to the first Ben 10, he gets new ones as time goes on depending on the situation.
>>24908I do like Big Chill (Fills the role that Ghostfreak leaves [minus Invisiblity] and has cyrokinetic abilities) and maybe Jetray? (Aquatic/Flyer)Also me and Bones came up with the idea for the "smart guy"as being a Spheriod (aka Spitter/Loogeyman/This thing: http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/Spheroid ) a former space pirate looking to bolster his reputation by associating with the "evil terrorist Calvin Vulmer" *Feel free to make this better than the schlock I just wrote D: * Bones wanted to see a race that wasn't know to be smart as the "smart one", and I thought that was a bitchin' idea. Maddie ain't no slouch in the brains department either. (After all she is a P.E. teacher)And yes he will unlock other forms along the way.Any opinions/objections/idea/etc?
>Ben 10Show is terrible. You really want to waste your time on it?
>>24910You are being immensely helpful!Please, continue to stick around in this thread, telling us how we're all wasting our time because you hate a TV show!Please! What would we EVER do without you?
>>24912
>>24909I never liked jet-rayhe's big chill's flight mixed with chromastones energy blasts. granted, jet-ray can fly faster, and underwater, but, really, how often do you think calvin would need to go underwater? and when you can phase, supersonic flight doesn't seem as useful.I just had an idea- what about a Sonorosian that can't duplicate, but retains his supersonics? The cause of his accident leads him to side with Calvin in an attempt to get revenge. or whatever.I like this, this is fun. bouncing ideas back and forth.
>>24936True, and Big Chill does cover the whole "Flying thing" as well, also I do like your Sonorosian idea, maybe as a recurring ally...I agree idea boncing is very fun! :D
>>24938Replace Ripjaws with this guy.
>>24946he looks pretty cool, but if we're gonna have a water alien, ripjaws all the way. There are more than enough electric aliens, you notice that? I just did. he's got a lot of electric-based aliens....
>>24961I guess you have a point, so far his main setlist is (New possible nicknames in parenthasis):Heatblast (ManCano, Phosphate, Starborn, Pyro-Knight)Big Chill (Dead Winter, Dead Cold, Frostbyte, Mothman)Ripjaws (Fishguts, Deep One, Mangler)Cannonbolt (Rollerball, Steelball)Grey Matter (I can't think of anything witty)Upgrade (Same here)Wildmutt (The Beast, Ulgydog, Bloodhound)Diamondhead (...)XLR8 (Speedemon)Fourarms (Quadraflex, Barbarian)Aditional Aliens:-Wildvine-An Upchuck prototype: http://tnperkins.deviantart.com/art/Path-of-Development-Upchuck-79154482-Mummy Alien-Nanomech-Lodestar-An electrical alien-NRG (The new one that looks like a furnace and can manipulate energy)Feel free to come up with much more creative nicknames and other aliens.
Unless Calvin thinks the same way a ten year old would, I doubt he'd give his different new forms superhero-ish nicknames. He'd probably refer to them as shortened versions of their actual species names, after he learned them. Like, 'Tetramand' becomes 'Tetra' for convenience's sake.
>>24967You have enlightend me, good sire.
>>24965holy shit, i am diggin that gullet design. upchuck was pretty cool and had a weird power, so let's keep gullet, and give him some superstrength/durabilityTo make it more adult, the names should reflect a darker nature of the universe.Cannonbolt (I want to leave that one alone. sounds pretty awesome as is)Heatlbast (Novaburst sounds pretty intense to me, but ManCano sounds like a pornstar name)Big Chill (there's this AI in one of the Halo books, I want to say "Eternal Winter," but something like that would be cool, though I do also like Frostbyte)Ripjaws (already sounds kind of scary, but Mako or Barracuda also sound good, despite their simplicity)Grey Matter (Wit)Upgrade (he upgrades stuff.... i mean... yeah... idk)Wildmutt (Carnage or the Beast)Diamondhead (Geo... something. i keep tossing around"geode" in my head, hoping it gets tacked on to something cool)XLR8 (spdmn or "goes fast")Fourarms (Quadraflex sounds like a new workout machine. I like Brute. nice, simple, says "runaway from me very fast")Swampfire (has more uses than Wildvine)GulletMUMRA!Nanobytedon't know anything about lodestarFrank (i really like dr viktor, or whatever his name was, as well as benwolf)don't know anything about NRG, but he seems cool. what kind of energy can he manipulate, exactly? Cause I'd prefer an Anodite form for energy manipulationi really want to see Goop in there somewhere. He was pretty awesome.Echo Echo (Sonar or radar, but only if we don't have the non-duplicating sonosorian)Ditto (if we have the other sonosorian, throw in ditto, and name him..... something, idk right now)Humongasaur/Way Big (Massive. No argument. Think about it, shit goes down, Calvin needs some major size as well as strength, turns to his buddies, and says, "time to go massive")Can't believe we forgot Stinkfly. he was pretty interesting.Spider-Monkey (pretty apt name, I see no reason to change it)
>>24969Me and Bones are debating on whether or not we should nickname the aliens.He came up with: Calvin doesn't think like a 10-year old, and he knew that cat-girl since high school so he has some experience with aliens.I came up with: He was a plumber. :VTake from that what you will, but I'm glad to see that some is as enthusiastic about this as I am! Also I replaced Stinkfly with Big Chill (Mainly because I can't draw Stinkfly for shit), due to the fact BC is more versitile and such.This is Lodestar: http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/LodestarForgot about his Bigger-er guy too! Silly me :/ Rebuttle!
My thoughts for original 10:HeatblastRipjawsCannoboltUpgradeDittoBrainstormGoopHumungousaurStinkflyAnd maybe an original something. Some kind of giant bipedal mole could be wicked cool.Another idea; they could stumble across a material that Calvin is allergic to, and could use it to make him sick...whenever they needed to manipulate his aliens a bit. Like, Heatblast sprays ice instead of fire when he's ill. So if they need ice, just rub a Corvisch Spotted Mushroom on him or something.
>>24974*Ahem*No Offence
>>24979That thing is like if Big O fucked a Tonka truck.
>>24980Sounds manly in my book.
I haven't seen much of the third season of alien force (saw the first two episodes, that was it) or any of the new one, so anything related to them i know nothing aboutPlumber's as a whole seem to be a surprisingly eclectic bunch, save for a few who are pretty strict, so i think Calvin would make up nicknames for them. the names might be more literal and more direct than what Ben named his, even though he gave his aliens some pretty obvious names. I'm a pretty huge fan of comics and heroes (obviously), so I'd name my aliens, but that's just me.
Needs some human extremists, the knights were nice but with all the half aliens running around causing mayhem you'd think there would be some kind of radicals for a human only earth.
>>24985He does seem like the slightly free spirited type now doesn't he?So nicknames it is! It's tradition afterall. :D>>24987Retool the Knights maybe? I mean they go through Forever Kings like a fat kid goes through cake, give 'em a new leader with this sinister goal in mind.Also I came to ask around for any production/early design sketches or the like, mainly because I can't draw certain aliens (Heatblast, Diamondhead and Stinkfly) very well and also I want to mix up the visuals a smidge for this. Make the aliens look more organic y'know? I.e. Do you think any aliens need cosmetic changes? If so, what and I'll draw 'em up! :3Anybody agree?
>>24988 Eh, the knights have somewhat severed their convoluted purpose, if it has to be tied to them I'd rather this be some kind of splinter group. They can still be villains or whatever they were but personally I'd rather something new be done. I always liked looking at groups at their beginnings, glorious or otherwise. Throw in Martin Sheen if you feel like it.
>>24989"Ah, I love the smell of depopulation bombs in the morning!"Remnants of the Earth military gone rouge, hounding for the old, glory days? Killin' them red, blue, green and crystaline skins? *somewhat tasteless joke*Just an idear.Also Jonah Menville retooled as a crazy, fucks anything that moves game hunter channeling Saxon Hale and Nathaniel Baltamore. And Megawhatts
>>24988Let's bring back Michael Morningstar. He was a dangerous villain, in my opinion, and a really good one. Also, we need someone to take Vilgax's place.As for cosmetics, I'd like to see a mix of Ditto and Echo Echo, so a more rounded Echo or a Ditto with headphones and without the fins. Otherwise, i'm not sure. i'd be fine with any retools that look good and make the drawing easier for you, since I can't draw worth shit
>>25007Fuck, forgot about Darkstar, yeah he did kinda kick ass.I can draw either Ditto or Echo Echo just fine, it's just some of the other aliens I have a hard time with. But I'm trying to make up for my excuses by drawing some of the aliens differently.I remember there being a production sketchbook for Ben 10 somewhere on the internet, that had some pretty kick ass stuff in it...
This could be a pretty cool alternative for Heatblast, yes?No?
SHIT YES! I FOUND SOME!
>>25011I like this one a lot, but>>25013in the lower left, the full body one with the weird triangle thing on his pelvis, also looks cool. mix and blend, or just pick one or the other.I'll look around on da and find some designs that i think look cool.
>>25018Thanks, man.I've already got some sketches done, I'll post em when I get back from class.P.s. you are a bro, Wondercraft. (I'm using that right?)
>>25031you're using it rightDA didn't really produce anything worthwhile, but there were quite a few of those blended aliens, where someone mixed two different aliens.
Here's a sketch of a possible Stinkfly design I cranked out.
>>25044And more early designs...
>>25043his tail is too small. Make it more scorpion-like (if you can), and make him slimmer overall. otherwise, looks nice.Diamondhead is supposed to be a defensive alien, despite his superior offensive capability, so I say we should keep his overall size and stockiness. I also like that mouth design in the upper right corner.I like that "grey" alien look Grey Matter has in the upper design sketches. makes him look less frog-like and more alien and foreign. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greys)Right off the bat, i couldn't tell you nay redesigns I think would look good. if I see some, though, I'll let you know. Just tell me what'd be easiest for you to draw, and I'll do my best to decide on a design that looks good and that you have no issues drawing.
>>25046Thanks, I'll get working on it ASAP!Yeah I'm digging the whole Diamondbeak design,too (as seen in attached pic.) Despite the few greivences I mentioned I'm good to draw almost anything. :D
Worked on!
>>25047>>25048cool beans
>>25063Danke, Mi Amigo.
Anybody have anything to share?Thoughts, feelings, input, etc.Anyone?
>>25134lol, what other characters do you have drawn up?And let's discuss primary villain. Vilgax was a great one, and I honestly think his absorbing of other powers was a step down for him. But since he's been asploded, we're gonna need someone else. Perhaps a mix of original Ben 10 Kevin and Darkstar? An energy-hungry guy out for the enormous power that the omnitrix offers
>>25140Well I was planning on having Kevin be a major villian this time around, doing monsterous things and such.Just not sure what to do with him...
>>25141I liked kevin 11,000, but i didn't like his form. It was to big and bulky, and being a fan of speedsters, I'd prefer a much more streamlined look and feel to his alien mash-up form. His original hybrid look was very ugly and bulky, and I think if he had more control over it, he'd want to make the hybrid form smaller and slimmer. Less standoutish. What do you think?
>>25157Maybe, similar to original series he gets a face-full of Omnitrix energy and slowly mutates everytime we see him.In this universe he was Calvin's superior in the plumbers.I forgot to mention that. D:
>>25158then he would definitely have more control over his transformations, then. you don't get anywhere in the plumbers without having control over your own bodymethinks
>>25159Maybe he never had been exposed to anything like the Omnitrix.Level 20 tech and all.
>>25160but mayhaps other levels of techor an anodite.... maybe he once worked alongside an anodite, had to borrow some of his power, and ever since has gotten more and more power hungry? (anodites are a race that really interest me, simply because they're wells of practically unlimited power)
>>25158 So he's Sinestro?
>>25164sinestro doesn't want more powerhe's just fanatical about law and order in the universeyou know he formed the sinestro corps solely to make the guardians allow killing, which he believed would make them more of a threat and therefore more effective?
>>25165I'm not sure what his goals are... Maybe a combination of wanting to be like his dad, and then later realizing that: "Hey, I have access to an infinate amount of powerful weapons, legal and otherwise... fuck peace and order, I wanna see what these things do!"Or something better written.Just throwing my two cents out there... :C
>>25171That's what i was getting at. With the power to absorb any energy and manifest it physically, I'd get pretty power hungry. If, you know, i didn't want to be a superhero. Power absorption, as a villain, is a dangerous power, and someone like Kevin? He's greedy, and really only did things that he thought were "fun" and "interesting" before his heel face turn. But as a plumber, he should start off as a genuine good guy, taking after his father, until he gets a taste of something powerful. and decides he wants a bit more. And then some more. And then.... yeah
>>25182>Ilikethis.jpgAlso any other ideas on what to focus on? Arcs, Villians, Etc.?
>>25245uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnot at the moment, no. i'll think of something eventually, though, especially if we just keep tossing ideas outalso, the pic has absolutely nothing to do with anything, but does look a little like way big
>>25254I think that was the general idea, Way Big species being To'kustar. He's still one of my faves.Also the Ultimate Alien opening had some pretty bitchin' new designs for some of the older aliens. Here's a shitty sketch of one of them!The fact that Fourarms now looks like Hard Gay does not bother me in the least, Is this wrong?Also; how did everyone feel about Ultimate Alien?
>>25255 The transformations better not be a shot of the kid's rib cage expanding.
>>25256They've had proper transformations for a while now, though I do perfer the original transformations a wee bit more.Dunno why :/
>>25255haven't seen ultimate alien, but i don't really like any of the evolved aliens.
>>25262Eh, I am neutral.
Also sketches on binderpaper.
>>25298that is a massive pic. seems slim, but overall nice sketches
>>25302I thought I resized it...Oh well here's this to make up for my incompotence.Ignore the crinkles.
>>25302Oh, and thank you, just trying to get Diamondhead down pat, y'know?
I came up with an idea for a 3rd member of the Main Cast.This motherfucker right here. Atto, a Chronian bored with his prolonged existence runs into Calvin and Maddie, because hey, a terrorist on the run? That should bring some jokes, japes and other good thrilling times to be had!
>>25336Anyone care to say anything about things here?I don't mean to come off as anything negative.
a chronian? wasn't that what that one guy from the first live action movie was? fine with me. what powers do chronians have?
>>25339Time Manipulation/Teleportaion, and Energy Spheres.
>>25340energy spheres are outdatedbut whatev
>>25341I didn't make the powerset :/ (Actually called energy PROJECTION, but he made balls of death, and beside everyone needs an offesive power)
>>25342so he's hiro with an extra power. still fine by me.
>>25343Yatta~Everything alright, Mr. Wondercraft?
>>25344trying desperately to raise enough money to see my girlfriend before i ship off to boot camp.so, yeah, the Diamondhead sketches look pretty good. Again, he seems a bit slimmer than what a defensive alien would be, but otherwise you've got him pat. the Chronian looks good, too. I like how you keep the circle joints and wire frame and stuff in the sketch. I know of only one other guy that drew like that, and he said he doesn't understand why more people don't do so, since it's a good way to learn and get better. Still, the idea of a Chronian on the team seems to be a good idea. Since he's got Hiro's power set, he'll be a rather helpful ally, especially when shit gets too out of hand for our other two heroes.But, since we already have an Appoplexian, i think Calvin should want to take a slightly more defensive role in the team. One Rath is more than enough to handle a few mooks. Atto should be a controller type (stupid D&D, making me balance parties and whatnot) kind of like Gwen was- take care of multiples rather than one or two at a time.
>>25346Well first off you're an awesome boyfriend, I'm sure your lady is proud of you something feirce! Sorry to hear about boot camp, too. Also yeah heres how I break it down in a quasi-bullshit character study, you might be here a bit:Calvin-Chaotic Good, a bit brash as any rookie cop usually is, Calvin believes that the law is unimportant if good can come of it, but due to recent events Calvin has even more issues with laws and regulations, fueling a hatered of people bending the law to suit their needs, but with this mindset he becomes unpopular with certain groups, further cementing his "terrorist" status, now he performs heroic acts out of a combination of genuine goodness of his heart and utter contempt for pointed fingers.Maddie-Neutral Good, the Team mom if you will, a highly compassionate individual, mostly due to break out of the stereotypes that have fallen most of her species. She also struggles to keep her anger at bay as best she can, fearing harm will come to those she loves if she doesn't, you can say she cares too much, assists Calvin due to their past together and knowing she will be able to do good at his sideAtto-Chaotic Neutral, the typical longevital achellie's heel of getting bored, Atto sets of on a grand adventure of debaucery and seduction, a stark contrast to Maddie's motives to say the least. Atto's in it for the lulz, cause mischeif, and what have you. But being sentient he does have a moral code of sorts, never doing anything too heinous or cruel, just "fun". Also long with a prolonged existence comes a morbid sense of humor...Also Calvin will have a Loboan/Benwolf as his "berzerker"
Thanks man.sounds good. more on Maddie, will she be a large part of fights, given her amazing offensive capability? or will she choose to linger in the background until absolutely needed?And I am fine with calvinwolf beserker(by "i am fine" I really mean that it's a great idea and i'd like to see it in action, lol)
>>25349She's an Appoplexian, of course she's gunna foight!
>>25350i can dig it. Just wanted to make sure she's of the genius bruiser type. Maybe add a bit more to her story- she loves the adrenaline rush of fighting, and is a bit addicted to it. It'll play well with her species and might prove to be an issue at some point (can you say StoryLine? lmao)
>>25354Good ideas, mein friend. Someone needs to archive all this, for future prospects of course.
>>25358howdoiarchiveplus4chanthreads.jpg
As far as I'm aware, all plus4chan threads are archived automatically. Just remember the original post number, and you can find it again.
>>25378lolidunno.jpgBut in all seriousness I realized something...We need to start wonking in this bad mother :O
>>25380wonking?
>>25381I meant working...I am very tired and a bad typist.Put 2 and 2 togther and~
>>25382so what's the next step? first episode?
>>25383I've posted the REALLY rough sketches of the first 2 pages around here somewhere, so yeah pretty much.
>>25384Here:>>31680and Here:>>25304:D
>>25385it says that>>31680can't be found
>>25400D:well, here's a link to the image:https://plus4chan.org/boards/draw/src/127016430213.jpgI appologize for any inconvience, dear sir.
>>25401alrightso what's going on in that image? I see Calvin at a bar and two... robots? talking to him. Calvin seems a bit distressed. Bounty Hunters or cops seem to have found him.in >>25304 he seems to be talking to whoever those robot things arehow am i doing so far? btw, since I can't draw, i'm a writefag
>>25404Sorry I should have been a lot more detailed with these (I blame only myself), Calvin is being interrigated by Magister Levin, whom has strong evidence linking Calvin to the assault on the research facility, also Calvin was getting bored and put a Styrofoam cup on his head.The guard robot shot it off.Always good to have a writer aboard too.
>>25409okay, how many pages do you have drawn up so far? and do you have a script yet? if not, I'll be more than happy to take over script writing
>>25410It's not so much a script as it is ideas :/, If you'd be okay with doing the majority of the writing that'd be awesome!CONJOINT EFFORT!
>>25420that's how this shit gets done. So how are we going to do this? I'm thinking one of three ways: 1) I come up with the script, you draw it up; 2) You draw, I base the script around your pages; 3) We collab from the get go, agreeing on everything- how action should go, how speech should go, etc. etc.
>>254223-Collab from the get go (Only makes sense), you got an AIM or anything I can contact you by Wondercraft?
>>25423windows liveLittleRaveBoy@live.com
>>25424You get my email yet? :C
>>25434uhhh.... no.... :(it's an IM not an e-mail address. even though you could send me e-mails... whatever. sorry, add my facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/littleraveboy
>>25436I did, I feel kinda stupid now D:POOR COMMUNICATION! I blame myself mostly...
>>25437no prob. got you added and all