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268233 No.268233 Locked
Can we talk about this? How do you feel about it? For me, I don't think it's cool at all.

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No.268428
>>268418
Jesus.

No.268429
What reason is there to oppose the mosque other than you think it's immoral to allow it to be built because the people who did it were muslim?

No.268430
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268430
>200 women and little boys were raped for four days
"Some people like to say Africa isn't a terrible place to live. Those people often don't live in Africa."
--Eugene Terre'Blanche

No.268431
>>268428

This, somehow, seems much more important to me. Call me crazy.

No.268438
>Next to a UN base
We're already doing something about it I suppose. Besides, it's not just in another state but on another continent. I can't exactly vote it right.

No.268440
>>268436
There is no right or wrong in this situation. It's all subjective.

>>268437
Islam had been around in the US for a long time before September 11th, and they never did anything and no one really cared until the attacks.

No.268445
"Just fly a plane into it when its built, blame the Jews afterward."
I love you too /k/

>>268429
Answering that question implies you agree with the second part, very nice troll.

On the whole I would give it a 8/10, you could have gotten a 10/10 if you added a picture. You have to consider the medium, and this is an imageboard.

No.268447
>>268445
Of course the people who did the 9/11 attacks were muslim.

But stopping them from building the mosque is discriminatory

No.268448
>>268445
>Ask a question
>get called a troll

I wasn't trolling the only reason I ever see for people claiming the mosque shouldn't be built is because THEY think it's immoral.

No.268454
>>268448
>>268447
>Ask a loaded question
Very nice.

I'll give an example of a loaded question:
"Besides having sex with animals, what reason do you have for supporting the construction of this mosque?"

No.268457
>>268454
The difference is
>"Besides having sex with animals, what reason do you have for supporting the construction of this mosque?"
Makes no sense while
>What reason is there to oppose the mosque other than you think it's immoral to allow it to be built because the people who did it were muslim?

Is the actual argument being used in this thread in support of the building of the mosque being blocked.

No.268468
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268468
>mfw assholes come to my city to protest something I don't really care about on my behalf.

Also,
http://youropenbook.org/?q=mosk

No.268469
Does anybody know who's idea this was? Who's behind the whole thing?

I bet you this thing is going to get vandalized really quickly.With this many people hating the idea, it's just a new excuse for people to pick fights.

No.268470
>http://youropenbook.org/?q=mosk

I hate people.

No.268472
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268472
>>268468>>268470
>Mosk

No.268475
the victory mosque built on ground zero, right?

No.268476
>>268475
No.

No.268488
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268488
>>268252

No.268490
>>268263
>From where I'm standing you're the intolerant/ignorant one

Are you standing on the fucking moon?

No.268492
>>268490
I'm not even reading this thread but sick burn, dog

o/

No.268503
that place is gonna get firebombed nightly

No.268513
>>268468

There is no q in most languages
Including Arabic, it's supposed to be Koran not Quran

>>268492

lol that wasn't even a burn

No.268532
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268532
>>268263

>From where I'm standing you're the intolerant/ignorant one.

No.268551
>>268532
I read that with an Indian accent, for some reason.

No.268553
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268553
>134 posts and 35 images omitted.

Christ almighty, /baw/.

Fuck it, I'm wading into this shitstorm, and I'm not even bringing an umbrella, ya'll.

I'm against it. I'm very anti-Islam. Most Muslims are nice people, like most of pretty much any group (except the Irish). But their religion is inherently incompatible with our society. The whole "Islamic terrorists are to Islam what Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity" is not an accurate analogy. A better one would be "Islamic terrorists are to Islam what Orthodox Jews are to Judaism", by which I mean the fundamentalists, the jihadists and those who support them, are the ones who actually read the Koran, follow its tenets to the letter, and are the 'true' Muslims.

Islam does not have the ambiguity of Christianity or Judaism. With the Hebrew and Christian Bibles you have numerous books by different authors, composed in different centuries and passed on orally for decades-if not centuries-before being written down. The Koran, however, is the work of a single man, Mohamed, and as such bears his imprint, his character. With the Christian Scriptures there are dozens of versions-Latin Vulgate, the Luther Bible, the Douay-Rheims, the New International Translation-and disputed canons; Catholics and Protestants disagree over the Apocrypha. Not so with the Koran. The Koran is the Koran, it is the literal word of God, transmitted from the angel Jibreel (Gabriel) to Mohamed. There is not a single variation, and it is always in Arabic. An English or other translation is just a translation, not *the* Koran. Think about that. The key book of Christianity can be in any language. Biblical scholars can go back to original Greek and Hebrew to clarify wording and historical context and idioms, but its the message that matters. Not so with Islam.

Anyway, back to the Koran. Because it is the work of one man, made over a few decades, it's not as ambiguous as the Bible. One could definitely justify murdering homosexuals with Biblical verses, but one could also point to other verses and say that the Old Testament prohibitions against it don't apply, that Jesus' message of love and tolerance, his saving the adulteress from stoning, override the other verses. The Koran, not so much. When it says unequivacally that the testimony of a woman is worth half the testimony of man, it means it.

Finally, politics. The Jewish religion is used to its people living in exile and dominion. Christianity, likewise, faced great persecution in its infancy, and its followers believed that Jesus really was going to BRB, so they weren't so concerned with starting a global Christian empire; J.C. was going to come back and kick Caesar's ass and establish the Kingdom of Heaven. Mohamed, however was a *WARLORD* and conqueror. He led raids and oversaw massacres. His religion's goal is a global Islamic state.

Islam is a cancer. We don't have to tolerate an ideology devoted to the destruction of democracy and all other religions.

>>268440

Except, y'know, the U.S.S Cole, the Marine bombing in Beirut, the first attempt to bomb the WTC...

No.268557
>>268553
So you would support legislation that banned the practice of Islam in the US? You're not mentioning anything about "Ground Zero" so I'm assuming that your strong opposition to mosques and Islam has nothing to do with the location, but rather its entire presence in a society with which you say it is fundamentally incompatible.

No.268558
>>268553
The mosque is not being by "fundamentalist muslims" that intend to use it for acts of terrorism.

Stopping the building of the mosque is not going to do anything to stop or slow down the spread of that religion. It is not going to stop islamic terrorists in other countries from committing acts of terror. And no, it's not going to help them either. All you are doing by blocking it's construction is discriminating against people based off their religion and strengthening the convictions of people who disagree with you. The mosque isn't going to hurt anyone.

No.268559
>>268553 >>268557

The thing about those rights is that they go both ways.

No.268560
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268560
>>268553
Pro Troll has entered the thread.

Anything past this limit is MAXIMUM PRO LEVEL.

all haters recommended leave


No.268561
>>268560
Global warming is a terrorist plot created so that we'll buy more thermometers. Their eventual goal is a moderate increase in mercury poisoning.

No.268562
>>268553
You can only punish people for committing a crime, not saying a crime should be committed. Except when it's incitement to commit, but for some reason that only applies to certain situations.

No.268563
>>268560
As much as I wish he was, and I really really do, Tora Dora isn't trolling.

No.268565
>>268561
Mercury poisoning is a leading cause of Islamic mind control.

No.268566
>>268553
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

I don't see much ambiguity there bro.

No.268570
>>268566
Christianity's great strength is our selective memory. Thou shalt not kill, but thou may eat shrimp if thou hath a hankering.

No.268571
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268571
>>268557

Why yes, in fact, I would. Of course, it'd be unconstitutional, but nothing in the constitution proscribes us from, in our nation's immigration policies, banning any further immigration from majority-Muslim nations, or deporting all non-naturalized individuals from those countries, or using zoning laws to prevent the construction of any more minarets. In fact, I'd have done so right on September 12, 2001.

>>268558

It's the principle of the thing. We have to put our foot down as a nation, cut the bullshit and say "No, it's not a religion of peace, and we're at war with global Islam in this century the way we were at war with global Communism in the last century!"

It's a symbolic action for both sides. For them, building that mosque would be a triumph, icing on the cake of the 9/11 attacks. It'd say "Haha, fuck you, Western world! You're so tolerant and PC and spineless it's almost as if you want to lose!"

This imam is not some liberal, open-minded, "kindler, gentler, 21st century Islam" guy. He's called on president Obama to acknowledge the legitimacy of Iran's theocratic government, which he praises glowingly (http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/what-president-obama-should-say-about-irans-election). He wants Muslims in the U.S. to have Shariah courts, to have their own judiciary separate from secular law. His book "What’s Right with Islam Is What’s Right with America" was published in non-English speaking nations as "A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11". "Dawa" is proselytism, but not just "standing on a corner handing out pamphlets" proselytism. "The purpose of dawa, like the purpose of jihad, is to implement, spread, and defend sharia. Scholar Robert Spencer incisively refers to dawa practices as “stealth jihad,” the advancement of the sharia agenda through means other than violence and agents other than terrorists. These include extortion, cultivation of sympathizers in the media and the universities, exploitation of our legal system and tradition of religious liberty, infiltration of our political system, and fundraising. This is why Yusuf Qaradawi, the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and the world’s most influential Islamic cleric, boldly promises that Islam will “conquer America” and “conquer Europe” through dawa." (from: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243536/raufs-dawa-world-trade-center-rubble-andrew-c-mccarthy).

Also, why do Muslims like the Fantastic Four?

No.268575
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268575
>>268563
Then you've already been trolled

No.268576
>>268553
Islam is only a few hundred years old, and there is tremendous diversity in interpretation. Primarily by warlords who interpret the meanings of the passages to illiterate villagers. Sunni and Shia interpretations of the book are different.

There's no arguing that as a religion, Islam does put itself above everything and then encourages people who follow it to convert or fuck off. However, it's only a little more obvious about it than Judaism or Christianity are.

It could be argued that Christianity is a composite of a thousand different interpretations of a thousand different passages written by a thousand different people to form one argued canon.

You're wrong about it always being in Arabic, you're wrong about it not having a disputed canon, you're wrong about there being no disputed interpretation.

Constantinople.

The countries that are primarily Islamic that have stepped into the modern world tend to acclimate well. ALL Abrahamic faiths preach that they are the superior people, be it hereditary, spiritual, or cultural, and pretty much say "convert, suppress, or destroy." But it doesn't matter. Modern era apathy and freedom trumps centuries of programming. It was true 200 years ago, it's true today, it'll be doubly true 200 years from now. There's not one sect or branch of Christianity that when literally following the bible, torah or quran aren't somehow obnoxious or borderline dangerous.

When properly interpreted by imams and when muslims are encouraged away from radicalism, they do well. When a group of people are taught their religion wrong? You get the Deep Souf. And Catholicism. ;)

No.268577
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268577
>>268571
>deleted last response
>incoming better image

No.268580
>>268571
Some libertarian you are. Personal freedom my ass.

How about instead of saying "NO PEACEFUL ISLAM DOESN'T EXIST GET OUT OF MY AMERICA" you should embrace the idea of a westernized islam that promotes peaceful co-existence. And the things the imam said are no more radical or stupid that some of the more outspoken religious leaders have spouted in this country.

Everything in that chunk of text in your post could be applied to radicals in any other religion that is practiced here in America.

No.268581
My my, what a thread.

No.268584
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268584
>>268570
>>268566

Hermeneutics? Exegesis? Christians from as early as Augustine distinguished between which laws in the Old Testament were social and tribal customs and which were moral laws from GOD HIMSELF! applicable to all humanity for all eternity. Ten commandments? Moral law, still valid. No shrimp cocktails or pork rinds? Judicial law, old covenant stuff, no longer applicable. Look at the Council of Jerusalem and how the early Church decided it was no longer necessary to practice circumcision, or how Jesus himself violated the Sabbath, ate with prostitutes, Gentiles and tax collectors, and, again, saved an adulteress from stoning even though the Old Law commanded such.

Again, Christianity you can argue that women are inferior to men, or should at least be subservient to them (1 Timothy 2:12). Or you could argue that the sexes are equal (Galatians 3:28). There's a lot more wiggle room, doctrinally.

No.268587
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268587
>>268584
>implying that all denominations pay attention to religious interpretations over the centuries
>implying that there aren't many american denominations that completely cut themselves off of historical religious interpretation by Bro Augustine
>implying that there aren't pick and choose Christian literalists who lack the sophistication to know that they're picking and choosing
>implying that those people can't themselves be dangerous and organized extremists
>implying that Islam doesn't have similar diversity in its believers
>implying there can't be moderate or even liberal muslims who you don't hear about in the news everyday because they're just American citizens


FUCK IT ALL LET'S HAVE A CAKE

No.268589
>>268576

Well, I was simplifying. Grossly, perhaps, but still. I stand by my statements against Mohamed's toxic creed. And yes, I do hope that with time that education (and the related uncertainty the modern understanding of science brings to the theological realm) and the temptations of freedom will win out. I see us now in the throws of growing pains as a civilization and a species. Once Islam ceases to be a major issue, we'll be back on our merry way to global unification and endless technological progress.

And digs against the Church don't phase me none, Ramey. I know the Vatican is nothing more than a cabal of pedo-sheltering megalomaniacs desperately clinging to what little power they still command.

>>268580

One's personal freedom is not without limits, and a society can't tolerate an ideology devoted to its subversion and eventual destruction.

And Pablo, I'm not trolling. :)

No.268590
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268590
>>268584

Yaknow, it'd help if you actually knew a bit about the role of Jesus Christ in the Muslim faith and his role in establishing the path of the House of Peace, the concept of aslama, or acknowledged the hilarious irony that fell out from the same things you're basically quoting from the recent Regensburg lectures.

Are we done here?

No.268591
>>268590
OOh! OOH! Do you have the give-a-damn to explain these things to me, as I don't have the give-a-damn to look them up.

No.268592
>>268587

Don't make me say it.

No.268594
>>268592
don't ruin this for me man. that cake is adorable and probably delicious despite being halal. ;_;

No.268600
"Selling military-grade rocket launchers to civilians is perfectly fine, but allowing people to follow their personal version of Abrahamic faith is THE CANCER KILLING WORLD PEACE!"

I want to be friends with you TD, but sometimes you make it so hard.

No.268601
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