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84596 No.84596
Ok the one thing that has really disturbed me about the Boiling Rock.(its wasn't a bad episode it was probably one of the best episodes of the season) Why was Suki in a male prison?

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No.84599
It's war. Crazy shit happens.

No.84600
christ this thread was on /co/ also.

it's not a male prison, hence the big guy's girlfriend and female guards.

TADA.

discussion over.

No.84601
The Fire Nation always seemed remarkably egalitarian.

No.84602
Are you blind, did you not notice female prisioners/guards?

No.84603
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84603
>>84601

It had to be. If you want to sustain a war for 100 years against an enemy 10 times your size, everyone needs to do their bit. Cultural hang-ups are a fatal impediment to a total war economy. Complete dedication to world domination by a small island nation can only suffer intolerance in a single, but crucial, quarter: implaceable racism against everyone else.

I really wish we got to see more 'Ro Zi the Riveters' in Book 3. I think that was a missed opportunity to show a good side to the Fire Nation, even if it also shows it's subsumed all other priorities in favour of the war effort.

No.84623
>>84600

It still doesn't make any realistic sense to put a teenage girl in a prison with grown men. For a prison, the Boiling Rock really wasn't that secure (you know, outside the fact that it's surrounded by boiling water).

No.84629
>>84616
Here: >>70305

No.84634
Wasn't there a female guard coming to check on Suki, and Zuko had to fight her to keep her from entering Suki's cell?

Maybe there was a wing just for women, or they had the women guarding them specifically.

Plus, according to the artbook, most of the women and some of the men make up the entirety of the Fire Nation's domestic forces, and the female Firebenders are the ones who train the army, so they aren't pushovers, and I imagine the whole nation has that idea, possibly down to some sort of culture-wide respect.

No.84642
>>84623
Avatar is a world where sexual assault doesn't exist. I, for one, am grateful to not have to consider it.

No.84643
>>84642
This.

No.84647
>>84642
You're right on their world not having sexual assault. I remember being for a second totally scared that Combustion Man was going to rape Katara and Toph.
But then there's Rule #34... :/

No.84651
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84651
>>84647
>I remember being for a second totally scared that Combustion Man was going to rape Katara and Toph.

No.84652
>>84651
I don't get your reaction image.

No.84660
>>84652
Looks like a shocked 8O reaction to me.

No.84663
>>84623
It's quite simple really. Our legal system is completely different from the show.

Stop projecting yo.

No.84677
>>84642
Well, I'm sure it was worrying for Suki when a guard was apparently trying to put the moves on her until she found out it was Sokka. But most of the females in the Avatar world are tough, so if anyone ever did try to take advantage of them, they'd just end up kicking the guy's (or girl's) ass.

No.84684
Because you touch yourself at night

No.84715
Surely someone's written some Suki prison rape.

But seriously, there were women in there too

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84716
>>84715

No.84717
It's not a male prison, it's a prison for high-profile political dissenters.

No.84721
>>84623
One would think that the whole Boiling Water bit (alongside the remote island part) would mean additional security may have been seen as excessive.

>>84717
Point. Perhaps they figure any women that gets thrown in there is too risky for ordinary guards to play games with.

No.84759
Sokka puckered lips dissolved into a slacked jaw when he noticed Suki's reaction. Tears streaming down her face, she hugged her pillow tight and assumed a bent over position. "P-please, just make it quick this time."

There, is that what you wanted, OP!

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84762
>>84759

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>>84762
>>Tears streaming down her face, she hugged her pillow tight and assumed a bent over position.

No.84766
>>84762
I love this face, probably my fave reaction image to come out of Avatar

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>>84759
Yes, yes it is.

No.84770
>>84759
I'm going to write this fan fiction. She kicked her attackers asses the first few times but they team up on her and er will is eventually broken until she's just a submissive plaything.

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84772
>>84770

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>>84770

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84775
>>84772

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>>84775

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>>84777
And it'll contain diapers.

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>>84778

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>>84779
Yes, and it will be glorious.

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>>84780

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>>84781

No.84788
>>84770
>>I'm going to write this fan fiction. She kicked her attackers asses the first few times but they team up on her and er will is eventually broken until she's just a submissive plaything.

Ohhh cool. And maybe they donkey punch her too.

No.84791
>>84770
This is... bent.

Not to mention uncreative.

I had an idea before the Boiling Rock came out involving all the Kyoshi Warriors being held in a ward with nested cells (the inner lockable from the inside and safe from all unwanted advances) and aphrodisiac incense constantly burning (making it harder and harder to lock the inner doors when the guards stroll through, especially since they are out of reach of each other).

In terms of making a plausably Broken Suki, this works better than what would be unreliable, risky, and require guards willing to risk emasculation by virtue of being one of the first three or for to get her.

No.84793
>>84791

You'd have to make sure that none of the warriors could touch themselves either if you're going down that road.

Also disrupt stuff like meditation, etc. so they can't just push away the arousal.

It also wouldn't do to just completely leave it up to them to give in, you need to create a scenario, perhaps a nightly one, in which they are presented an oppertunity to relieve themselves that they can freely decide to take or not. I guess you might have that with the cell-lockings, but it needs to be made very clear what is being offered, rather than leaving it implied. Some...most, probably, would need to feel a little pushed into it.

No.84797
Also: Aphrodesiacs don't really work that way. The way hentai and other shit portrays the things, you'd think they confused them with heroin or some shit.

No.84799
>>84797

True. It'd have to be some drug that does more than make one horny. Something that dulls or fucks over the mind to make sensation more dominant would be optimal, and making a lack of stimulation an almost physically painful thing would be good too.

I doubt this'd be achievable in a gas form though...if so, all the guards'd need to be wearing gas masks. And be sure not to leave the gas constantly on or else they'd probably overdose and die.

On another level, it might be beneficial in other ways to prevent escape if it were to have some addictive qualities to it. Hard to run away when you're going cold-turkey.

No.84800
Making an account on fanfiction.net now.

No.84807
...damn it, I'm to blame for some of this, aren't I?

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84809
>>84642

I know there's a reason I saved this. Just replace "films" with "TV series".

No.84811
>>84809
Holy shit, I made that sad frog like a month or so ago, I can't believe someone saved it. Small internet.

No.84813
>>84807
Yes. Now how are you going to make up for it?

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>>84813
You're lying it isn't my fault. YOU ARE TEARING ME APART ANONYMOUS!

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84815
What the fuck am I reading.

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84816
About half way through it. I kept true on my diaper promise. She's anally raped so much her anus is stretched out and she loses control of her bowels and is forced to wear one. I won't post it here though, this is my favorite board and I don't want to make it worse than I have already made it.

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84817
>>84814

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>>84816

No.84827
>>84793
>>84799
Yeah, some psychoactive factor is required otherwise the FN would have a _cranky_ and perhaps _fustrated_ Amazon Brigade locked up rather than a broken one.

You know, I ran through a mental execise of applying the Normal Porn Characterization Trifecta (Rampant Libido, Indifference towards Monogamy, Sameless Bisexuality) to various characters while leaving thier personality otherwise unchanged... and A:tLA (among others) does not really change much in terms of storyline beyond perhaps the romantic subplots. Yes, Nympho!Katara would offer comfort sex to Haru and probably spread for Jet when they first meet, but she will not prostitute herself to pirates for a scroll they stole in the first place and do not even get me started on Zuko.

No.84831
>>84827

Honestly, even with all of that I don't really see Suki 'breaking' at any point. Not sure about the other warriors, but even under all that duress I can't see Suki throwing herself against the bars and begging for a fuck.

The worst I can see it being for her is enjoying the sensations when she is 'taken', or simply getting used to being used, offering either poor, token or no resistance as time goes on. So basically she'd not come out of it 'broken', but no doubt with acute self-loathing that'd take years or possibly a whole lifetime of rubbing away. She would, however, still have the excuse of her never TRULY giving into and actively participating in her own rape, unlike with some of the other girls who may have done just that. So there's hope there.

No.84832
>>84827

>Yes, Nympho!Katara would offer comfort sex to Haru and probably spread for Jet when they first meet, but she will not prostitute herself to pirates for a scroll they stole in the first place and do not even get me started on Zuko.

Sage, because off topic, but Gunsmoke apparently thought different, which was something I really didn't like about his work. That, and the sheer amount of sex he would draw between her and Sokka was also something I really didn't like.

(Delete and repost because I fucked up the sage rather badly.)

No.84834
>>84832
To be fair, he was just making a comical porno rather than performing a sexy thought experiment. In-characterness and logic were obviously not on his mind.

Though my love of logicing out AUs based on a few simple changes has me interested in Anon's ideas.

No.84839
>>84836

You're looking unusually stressed for something that's just a joke, anon. Relax and let everyone put as little and as much rationale into the idea as they want.

Besides, we aren't discussing diaper-fic, we're discussing a more logically cohesive and effective way of going about breaking a Kyoshi Warrior through sex.

...Having said that, is sex even the best way to do it? Not that I don't enjoy the idea, but some of the things being used seemed slightly implausible so far. (But then there are spirit dragons, so I guess heroin-gas can get a pass.)

No.84842
>>84839
Ah, understood. carry on.

No.84892
>>84596

So the Fire Nation soldiers would have some delicious Earth Kingdom butt to rape.

No.84901
Food deprivation, random aversive stimuli, causing fatigue through force labour... that kind of stuff works.
Even a Kyoshi Warrior would allow casual sexual access by their captors to avoid the harsh conditions of the prison life, especially if they are convinced that the invasion plans have failed and there's no way out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posttraumatic_stress_disorder

No.84912
I thought of a tetrodotoxin-like substance they could use to make a drug, from some kind of blowfish... say, a panda-putterfish or whatever.

Then I remembered there's also the shirshu spit with its paralyzing effects, so guards could have an easy way with someone as big as Chit Sang if they wanted.

No.84916
>>84912
Bonus points for not just going

LOL CACTUSJOOS!!1!

No.84919
>>84901

Well there's 'casual sex access' and there's being 'broken'. I suppose we'd do well to try and draw a line between the two. It's also worth remembering that most of these warriors ARE going to be about 14/15 years old, so 'putting out' in jail is largely a foreign concept to them, even if they do know the birds and the bees.

However, the techniques you bring up would indeed be useful ones to implement, and would certainly aid their breakdown. I'm currently wondering how they can be blended in with the earlier sex-and-denail ideas...for most things it's fine, but the physical labour part is proving difficult, as they would need to be restrained enough to not touch themselves or generate an orgasm whilst still having enough mobility to heavily exert themselves. Whatever it is I doubt it would be beneficial, and would just be some monotonous, pointless task they are forced to repeat day after day.

No.84922
>>84919

Right, I think I'm going to stop talking now. I give too many ideas too quickly just by complaining about something like the implausibility of aphrodisiacs in pornographic fiction..

No.84923
>>84919
If they are too weary from different tasks, they would have a harder time offering resistance to a group of abusive guards.

I imagine with the war going on, they'd put the prisoners in forced labour like mining the Boiling Rock island as a source of minerals for tanks, or maybe the prisoners are forced to dig because the Warden wants to install more coolers.

"The Warden goes out to inspect and greet the new prisoners. In his usual arrogant fashion, he tells him that their time in the Boiling Rock doesn't have to be unpleasant, so long as they play by the rules."
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/The_Warden

Forcing prisoners to work in repetitive tasks to keep them unable of forming any kind of organization is a common practice in concentration camps.

I picture it like a situation where two guards decide to play "good cop bad cop" with any of the girls. I'll use Suki for example. Say she's tired and hungry because of the forced labour, and "Good Guard" shares part of his food with her, seeming not a threat but rather a friendly and compassionate guard that it's only following orders. By sharing his food when she's worked hard, or by sparing her from physical work, he engages in "grooming" to gain her trust and establishing an emotional connection. Suki would develop Stockholm syndrome to this Good Guard, going as far as telling the other Kyoshi that "not everyone is that bad."

Meanwhile, the "Bad Guard" does the death threats, scares Suki, and tells her nobody's going to rescue her because Azula has told her friends she's dead. During forced labour, he trips Suki up while she carries heavy stuff, or he makes derogatory remarks against the Kyoshi as a collective.

As part of their plan, one time Bad Guard wouldtry to harm Suki (with firebending), and Good Guard will "save" her. She'd then be isolated and would develop a feeling of gratitude towards Good Guard. But little she knows that the same night, both men will enter in her cell and who was once a friend is now holding her for the Bad Guard. They've this planned all along and there's nothing she can do, because they've taken shirshu spit venom to paralyze her in case she resists. After they've both had their forced way with her, they apply the paralyzing dart anyway, just so they make sure she can't do nothing but stay awake, developing an absolute feeling of impotence and helplessness. It's just matter of days before the two guards start bringing more men to abuse Suki, until she's no more than a "comfort woman" for the Fire Nation military stationed in Boiling Rock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_cop/bad_cop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_trauma_syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

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84934
>>84923
>>84922
>>84919
What have I done?

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84946
>>84923

No.

No.84948
>>84946
I'm waiting for The Dai Li's opinion.

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>>84923

No.84962
>>84958
that's the kind of reactions I expect from people :3

No.84963
>>84922

Hahaha! Aww but Sharky, where's the harm?

>>84923

For what it is, it sounds reasonable enough, and sure to cause long-lasting trauma. I imagine that as time goes on they'd wean her off the paralysing venom the less resistant she gets so she can be forced to do more things, by which time we assume she'd be numb enough to just go along with.

Though this IS assuming that such would happen. It strikes me as entirely in-character for her to just hold onto the one shining hope that Sokka would come to save her, and thus resist what's happening to her. Won't stop her being horribly traumatised of course, but still, I'd personally chalk that up as an 'unbroken'. I can't really fathom a way to change that outcome without somehow being able to confidently convince her that a Sokka-saving opportunity isn't going to happen. For that to happen, I think the best way to start would be to force her to speak it first, even if she doesn't mean it. Enough repetitions and it'll plant a decent seed of doubt in there. After that...I haven't thought much about it. Likely there would have to be one big SHUNT involved at some point, and then an aftermath to deal with.

Though...this is all a far cry from what I was originally envisioning to be honest. In the current scenario being discussed, it's basically the guards saying 'I'm gonna rape you!' and the girls being powerless to stop them and trying to cope with that through whatever means are available to them (the more limited the better). In an ideal mindfuck situation it should be the girls going 'Oh spirits PLEASE I can't stand it anymore!' and the guards going 'I dunno, I don't think you want it enough...' Thus making their prisoners jump through hoops that the prison complex had set up for them. Self-debasement and degradation, basically.

In the long run, I think that might weigh more heavily on their minds than just rape (presuming that the warrior in question doesn't get completely cowed into doing whatever the guards desire of her, even to the direct detriment of the other warriors). I don't deny that such a scenario would be much more difficult and take more work than the one you're suggesting to set up, though. I think that goes without saying.

No.84964
>>84963

To add, the good cop bad cop routine is certainly a winner due to its effectiveness against women and teenagers, and because it is transferable across scenarios. So good on that idea.

No.84967
>>84963
Thanks!

I also thought while they're imprisoned and until the eclipse failed invasion, they think Aang is death as everyone else in the Fire Nation does. They could've also been told that Sokka died during the invasion, and that Katara's been sent to a waterbender prison (like Hama). Would that be enough to break their morale?

>> somehow being able to confidently convince her that a Sokka-saving opportunity isn't going to happen.

Azula always lies. And she's pretty convincing...

But if you're going for a Niku Ringo or Kyoshiro Inoue style scenario, then you can just write them OOC and have them being not-so-goody-two-shoes. Guards get them drunk (maybe adding some Fire Nation equivalent to Spanish fly to their drinks) and girls go crazy like in one of those frat party college videos. Someone makes fun of their inexperience with alcohol, so they take it as a challenge. Suki is reluctant at first but the other Kyoshi get her drunk and high. Inhibitions gone, she tries to impress her friends and retain her leader status by whoring herself out. If you wanna go really bad taste with it, you can have her imagine that now as Sokka's probably death she has to do all this while imagining she's doing it with him or she imagines Katara must going for something similar wherever she's being kept captive.
The other girls do as they see and at the end, they become the guards' slutty pets thus avoiding the harsh treatment and forced labour the other prisoners get.

No.84970
>>84967

Suki, having faced Azula before and getting some small taste of her personality, would likely not put much credence into anything the fire princess says and does, putting down all attempts (even the most conving ones, like showing up with his boomerang) down as simple pleasure-torture. If anything, an act such as the boomerang one would probably bolster her, as she would become aware of what it is her captors are trying to do to her and so would redouble her mental fortitude regarding Sokka. When it comes to consistent, prolonged suffering over a particular topic or along a particular course, a person can and will adjust to such squalid treatment and would become more insular to the point of inscrutability. Better to hold the doom over her head and wait it out than try and 'realize' her fears.

As for your OOC suggestions, well that's just taking all the fun out of it, surely. I may as well not be discussing the Kyoshi Warriors at all if I were to go down that line of thinking. No no no; much better to think about how to realize it in a more practical manner.

One consideration I have yet to make is to largely remove the guards from the equation, and (through no doubt humiliating circumstances) orchestrate it so that the warriors are relieving each other. Due to their affinity and respect for one another they would certainly be more open to it...but in the end, thinking briefly, I am unsure of where it could lead to. It seems just as (if not more) likely to promote team unity, were this to be a free-for-all. Perhaps it would instead be better to divide the group into those who get the relief and those who provide the relief, creating a class-difference within the group that would harm their unity against their oppressors...seems like a good idea to start...

No.84971
>>84970
It's a different approach, may be interesting. I also thought the OOC scenario was weak, it's more or less what we'd get in a doujinshi actually. We're just brainstorming here...

No.84981
Y'know, I can't help but feel really uncomfortable that this topic has gone so far and so long.

I suspect I wouldn't be so bothered if there was talk on how to break the Southern Water Tribe Warriors, Foggy Swamp benders, and the EK Troops.

Because, you know, they actually -MAY- have strategic infomation the Fire Nation would want. But then, I forgot, this has become a fetish thread. So please, carry on.

No.84986
>>84981
Prison guards start a clandestine fight club in the basements of Boiling Rock, pitting Foggy Swamp Tribesmen against each other.

No.84988
>>84981
Yeah. What bugs me is that it seems that automatically every time there's a strong female character or characters in a fandom, there's always going to be a section of the fandom that wants to see them raped and broken. Sometimes I'll turn a blind eye to it, but in the Avatar fandom it just makes me sick.

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>>84988

No.84991
>>84988

Yeah, its better when its someone strong, instead of some weak moeblob. I can't explain the appeal, maybe it is a power thing. For me personally, I think its because most of my fapping material in my teenage years was hentai, where rape is commonplace, and I didn't know about any western 34 besides poorly drawn Flintstones DrawnSex.com crap. There is better western 34 out there, but I've gotten so used to hentai, its hard to get into the western stuff.

No.84993
>>84991
Y-You mean... Girls can WANT sex?

No.84997
>>84988
You're saying it like it's some bullshit where people can't stand strong women. No, some people just have a rape fetish, you're looking too much into it.
>>84993
It's an alien concept I know, but it's true.

No.85024
Y'all getting too mad over this. Simple fact is; I enjoy thinking up problems and resolving them in scenarios, and this particular scenario took my interest. That I'm discussing this because I 'dislike strong women' and want to see her take a dive is blatantly untrue. And everyoe knows sex is better if everyone's enjoying it.

I'm sure we all agree that what I and others have been discussing is a terrible thing and shouldn't be done to anyone; there certainly isn't any doubt in my mind that such is the case. It's the same kind of thing that churns my stomach everytime I read yet another post-war Azula fic where she's had her bending taking from her. And to me, Suki's probably just behind Azula as my favourite female cast member.

Buuuuut it's an interesting scenario, so I'm investing thought into it. To me, it doesn't matter what's being done so long as it's being done 'right'. If you're going to destroy a person, at least do more than write something idiotic like 'rape them until they like it'. What the hell kind of plan is that?

>Because, you know, they actually -MAY- have strategic infomation the Fire Nation would want.

This is probably the fairest point in the whole shebang. I mean, although I've been trying to apply logic to this scenario, the scenario itself seems to be born out of something illogical or just plain 'not done'...unless one were to assume that the Fire Nation just loooves to break foreign prisoners any way they can. Which I'm assuming they don't. The only way I could see it work is if they (Azula being a 'they') wanted to just utterly crush any fighting spirit they had left.

No.85025
Oh and to add, what REALLY grinds my gears are the 'Katara is Zuko's concubine' fics. What the hell? As if that would ACTUALLY happen the way that they write it! Bollocks bollocks bollocks.

No.85032
>>85025
*imagines Katara in Leia's slave outift and Zuko as Jabba*

No.85070
>>84813
Just read the whole tread since my last post.... I'm really, really, really sorry! I guess I'll have to offer you all the head of M. Night to make amends. Or, if I fail that, offer you to give you all head. I will NOT be wearing a suki wig though. Maybe the make up.

>>85032
... Okay, maybe thread was worth it for the image of Jabba Zuko.

No.85074
>>84997
It's not exactly that and I'm not trying to be White Knighting or anything, but it's the fact that they want these strong female characters raped and broken that irritates me. The girls in question would either be kicking the ass of their would-be attackers or finding a way to escape and/or kick their ass after, not become simpering, broken dolls or helpless playthings. Something like this >>84831 probably.

>>85070
DO IT MAGGOT.

No.85084
>>85074

I think perhaps you're being naive, or have watched too many saturday-morning cartoons. Everyone has their limit. It's all well and good thinking about fighting the good fight, but truth be told it's actually apathy that helps best in 'breaking' situations because if you don't care, then they can't do anything to you. An ass-kicking attitude in a scenario where your captors hold all the cards will just lead to you kicking your own ass.

So if anything, that 'can-do attitude' is a much more flawed stance on this matter than 'yeah, lets break 'em! Rape rape rape!' Infact I daresay that's why the Concubine fics are so poor, all of them are basically Katara going 'No I don't want to be a slave release me!' and Zuko going 'No you are a slave deal with it (oh but I still respect your boundaries as a person even though I've just told you you have no rights).' repeat ad infinitum. Not only does nothing happen, but it just WOULDN'T happen like that even if one were to assume the Fire Nation had concubines.

I'm not saying that Suki, Katara et. al. WOULDN'T go in with th ass-kicking attitude, but I'd like them to be a bit more intelligent about it, and I'd like to see the changes that would actually happen in such circumstances, both to their mood and the way they and their captors would go about dealing with these changes.

>>85070

And don't feel bad, all you did was make this thread interesting!

No.85095
>>85074
>>not become simpering, broken dolls or helpless playthings.

I posted links to articles about posttraumatic stress disorder and rape trauma.syndrome because I think there are circumstances we should understand.
Sadly, it's far too common for people to become helpless. It's a paradox of survival mechanisms.

No.85096
>>84988
I see where you are coming from, and frankly wish that if if one _must_ forgo cheerfully consentual sex going on that there was more of the womenfolk taking the lead if you will. Seriously, why fixate on overpowering the strong women if thier strength is su much of the appeal?

>>84993
Unfortunately, there is some holdover of the "Good Girls Don't" thing across several fandoms.

>>85025
*snort* Bingo, Zuko is a shy and decent sort who would be rather loathe to force himself on anyone whilst Katara would require considerable conditioning to not kill the guy in his sleep. The closest is someone strongarming them both into a political marriage.

>>85074
Again, I concur with the 'probably fighting' part, to the point where each session leaves a few assailants maimed. That is why nonphysical coersion makes more sense if sexual abuse happens at all.

No.85105
>>85096

>why fixate on overpowering the strong women if thier strength is so much of the appeal?

Why do people want to conquer Everest when there's a perfectly acceptable hill next to their house?

No.85126
>>85105
That is a terrible metaphor for this particular situation.

No.85133
>>85074
Everyone has a breaking point. especially when you take into account all of the mental things that one anon posted. I don't know why they're doing this, but it isn't because they want to break a strong women, it's because they like rape and messsed up psychological shit.

No.85135
>>85133
Well I messed that up. I said I didn't know why, then said why in the same sentence.

No.85138
>>85126

I thought someone would say that but it really isn't; the basic mentality's the same.

No.85153
>>85138

No, it's a pretty shit metaphor. This isn't lifting weights, running in a race or even getting laid with somebody who's resistant to your efforts. This isn't competition.

There's a difference between personal accomplishment in the face of a highly dangerous and difficult task and enjoying beraking and destroying a person's psyche for reasons of personal, sociopathic, power dynamics or lust.

No.85154
Gonna have to join the "what the fuck, man" side on this one.

No.85157
>>85153

Just because you don't like what it implies doesn't mean it isn't true. You don't climb a mountain, you CONQUER a mountain. It's a battle between you and something other than yourself, and, at the end, you triumph over that something else. Or you don't.

It's a game. Can you keep at it long enough to break the other person? Are you skilled enough? Ruthless enough? Do you even need to be, depending on the person you're trying to destroy?

Crushing the soul of the already wavery and weak is not as triumphant a feeling as taking it from someone proud and strong. People, rocks, a marathon or a fight with a wild animal; it's all the same instinct: to be more powerful than something else, to have that power, whether that power is yours, or something you've taken from someone else.

And as for the why? Why not! What reasons do you need? 'I want this information', 'I want to prove myself' 'I want this person to suffer', what's the difference? Are any inherently right? Can they be? We climb the mountain 'because it is there', do we not? It isn't like people don't already kill because they CAN kill.

Your problem is that you're working under the assumption that this rule somehow doesn't apply to humans. How can a person equate to dirt, you say? How can people feel that way? See things that way? None of that matters. It is what it is, and if you can't recognize that, then you're fooling yourself. It's a point of view and it's a way people feel.

Your opinion of it, however, can be whatever you want it to be. Revulsion. Anger. Horror. Agreement. Enjoyment, even. That's all up to you. Equally, you can either accept that it's within you, or you can disregard it. How you feel about it is your own business.

And please, although this is also your own business, I would ask you don't judge me too harshly for saying all of this. Afterall, I'm not raping anyone. I have no intention of ever mentally destroying a person. And really, it's intent and action that matters, hmm? You can hold whatever viewpoints you have, but you can only ever be judged on your actions.

And what I have done is give an honest (if cold) explanation regarding a particular way of thinking. What do I deserve for that, I wonder, telling people who ask something they don't want to hear...

No.85163
>>85162

I know...and I can't say I like it either.

No.85164
Poster of >>85126 here.
None of that was my point whatsoever. I can't explain why it's a bad metaphor, on account of the fact that I just woke up, but I can give you one that seems more fitting to me.
>why fixate on overpowering the strong women if thier strength is su much of the appeal?
>Why take an elevator up Everest if climbing it is so much of the appeal?

I can't REALLY speak for the anon who posted that first bit of greentext, but I think he was asking "Why are you trying to make these women so weak when what makes them so hot is the fact that they could kick your ass?"

I haven't read all of the thread, just the last little bit, but it seems to me like it's drifting into OOC territory. The Kyoshi warriors were trained NOT to break. Ever. Even after weeks in a maximum security prison, Suki still beats the crap out of any guy that makes a move on her.

Apologies for any typos I didn't catch, I'm still half-asleep.



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