I say sound.

Also waterbending level 2 is blood bending. Ice bending is pretty standard since changing the state of water isn't shown to be too difficult.

>>81607

that would be level three

>>81610
Yeah no, because every Waterbender can work with ice easily. It's not on the level of metal or lightning at all.

Fire Bending Level 3 = Heat Subtraction

Where does healing fall in? Not every water bender can do it, but the ones gifted with it don't seem to have that much trouble.

>>81613
Air Bending Level 3 = Weather Manipulation
Earth Bending Level 3 = Matter altering
Water Bending Level 3 = Large flowing locks of golden hair, lack of eyebrows.

Metalbending isn't even a level. It's unique to one person in the whole world.

>>81606
I noticed something too, fem Aang is kinda cute...

>>81615

do not forget the urge to raise your fist and groan at the top of your lungs( usually about powering up)

>>81617
I'm sure someone like Bumi could figure it out. It just took Toph's senses to realize that there was still viable earth to be bent inside metal.

>>81623


Bumi himself could also earth bend with no problems while most of his body was locked up in a metal coffin.

He may not be able to say make a suit of armor like Toph, but still, he's shown the ability to not only earth bend without any contact with earth (or movement of his body) but to earth bend through the confines of metal. That alone tells me that he in a way can use metal as a medium to continue to earthbend, and that's pretty good/close. Maybe it's something he can due, but just doesn't end up finding the reason to do so in the scenes of the show.




And Ice Bending is of the same level as Sand Bending. It's something that anyone can do but only needs to be in an environment to understand how to do so. The Swampbenders never showed the ability to use ice that well, and the earth benders who can sand bend never lived in the dessert.

>>81617
Like the others said, pretty sure any really talented Earthbender could do it. If you wanna get technical, bloodbending was exclusive to Hama until she passed it on to Katara.
Lightningbending was exclusive to the first person who discovered it until they passed it on.

I really have trouble believing Toph even invented it, probably just recreated a mostly forgotten art.

>>81613
When you realize that firebending gets heat manipulation, it really opens the whole bending style up. You can essentially manipulate the temperature of anything you can focus on.

>>81631
I'm sure there's something along the lines of fire-based healing.

>>81632
I always liked the fan-theory that while Waterbending works on burns and injuries, Firebending could work on diseases, somehow "burning out" viral/bacterial infections.

>>81633

one word cauterizing it is healing's more brutal cousin

Could a properly trained Firebender learn how to master kinetic energy? If so, FIRE MADE OF GOES FAST.

>>81632
There's also the fact that if you can lightning-bend you've got a quick and dirty defibrillator ready to use.

>>81642

dang right kill them to save them that sounds perfect(not sarcasm I am being serious here)


also treating shock or hypothermia

I always thought Bloodbending could be used to heal. That way Katara wouldn't have to feel so conflicted about using it. You could coagulate a spurting wound or internal hemorrhaging, for example. The downside is obviously that you can only do that under a full moon, and these are potentially life-threatening situations that need immediate medical attention.

>>81647
They have not shown the ability to make blood coagulate, they aren't even aware of the process of coagulation being the backwards primitives they are

>>81665
0/10

Remember in 'The Firebending Masters,' where Aang says "it's like a little heartbeat?" Or someone (I think it was the Sun Warrior chief) saying "fire is life." I seriously thought they were foreshadowing fire having some healing ability there.
And surely one of the lessons of Iroh learning lightning redirection by studying waterbenders is that practitioners of each bending art have a lot they could learn from each other?

Airbending Level 4: Air Locks.

An self-sustaining pressure system that gives compacted the feel of a solid object. You sort of see it with the idea of an air sword, but imagine a wall of air you can't see but can still touch you.

Or in a more sadistic sense, trap someone in a block of that stuff. Slowly suffocate them with literal air, since they can't breathe something that solid. Or brickify the air in someone's lungs.

That's sort of why I hope in this next Korra series that's coming up, we get a bad guy who's an airbender. We've only seen airbending used by the good guys, I want to see what a guy who isn't afraid to get his hands dirty could do with it.

>>81683
Even if we did get an Airbender villain, we'd never see that. The show might not be afraid to deal with the death of characters, but all these gruesome ideas like suffocation, freezing the blood in someone's body, etc. will never happen except in the fandom. Remember, as mature as the show can be, it's still a Y7 cartoon on Nick.

>>81683
Good land.
It's like some kind of evil-er mime.

>>81683
Or they could just put out fires by denying them oxygen.

What level of air bending is this?
Also the one trick pony from ninja scroll.

The final level of Airbending is the Kamehameha, duh!

I postulate that Level 3 *bending begins to resemble the other bending disciplines to the extent that it is no longer useful and perhaps impossible to differentiate between them.

The one time I tried to create an original character (do not steal) he used firebending to control the heat inside metal. This was of course before metalbending became an earthbending ability.

>>81683

THIS. This is how to add something of a dark side to airbending. Suffocation is a pretty effective (and scary) way to kill, or even merely incapacitate someone. Also "air locks" or "air blocks" would be really useful utility wise. Imagine, being able to make impromptu objects in ANY shape you can manage. Platforms, weapons (wind sword!), tools...

Probably the most vicious use of this type of idea I can think of is Vacuum Bending. Bending ALL the air away from someone, leaving them in a bubble of nothingness. Done quickly enough, this leads to explosive decompression, the gruesome details of which I'll let you look up on your own.

Semi-related: AU Fic where Aang doesn't run away, and 100 years later the Air Empire is conquering the world, and just invaded the Fire Nation. One character is shown featuring this airbending idea. Doesn't extend to what I just added, but sealing off an area this way also (logically) sound proofs it, since the air can't vibrate to transmit the sound.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4586900/1/Avatar_Last_Firebender

>>81633

Also, about healing with fire: Kinda an interesting idea, since manipulating the chi in the body is the entire idea behind healing with bending. Why should water be the only thing able to do that? (Aside from the fact that people are 70% water...)

Semi-related: AU Fic wherein Zuko discovers how to heal with firebending mid-season two. Changes propogate from there, pretty damn interesting.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5398503/1/Embers

So Darth Vader was using Airbending when he suffocated his sneery henchman?

>>81755
He was clenching their throat shut. That sounds like bloodbending.

>>81752

Author of the first fic. The when I was first thinking it up the ability actually was bending the air in someone's lungs. I changed it because I needed it to have some weaknesses.

>>81755
>>81760

Waterbending Lvl. 2 - Healing, Lvl. 3 - Bloodbending/Plantbending
Earthbending Lvl. 2 - Sandbending, Lvl. 3 - Metalbending
Firebending Lvl. 2 - Blue firebending, Lvl. 3 - Lightningbending
Airbending - There are no other levels.

/thread

>>81606

Racebending.

>>81821

Don't levels imply that those abilites are prerequesites of each other?

>>81826
I prefer to just think of them as different disciplines.

I have a question

was the concept of lightning bending revealed in the movie? what about book 1 water of the series

also what of using fire bending to create images out of light possibly as distractions or decoys

We see in the finale that airbenders can fly, unaided by creating a pressure front around them. I see no reason why they couldn't control the boundary layer of air around this 'bubble' like any other air. I can't think of any in-show examples for airbenders, but waterbenders and earthbenders are shown to have extremely fine control over their respective elements. ("You even made a little Earth King and Bosco!" anyone?) This would allow them to reach high speeds very quickly and efficiently. Maybe even supersonically. Now, there's a couple of reasons why supersonic aircraft don't fly at top speed near the ground. One is that the air there is thick, making it very in efficient (or even impossible) to do so. Obviously, this isn't a limitation for airbenders. The other is that supersonic bow shock is intensely powerful. Combined with frictional heating of the air, a sufficiently powerful airbender probably wouldn't need a fleet of airships and comet-powered firebenders to lay waste to a continent. They'd just need to figure out a route. Or just not be careful about where they're flying. This is probably why the Air Nomads made a point of hammering in their 'all life is sacred philosophy.'

>>81881

That was the Avatar State, though. But you kinda have a point.

Airbending has some insane potential. You could kill someone by making the nitrogen in their blood bubble. I imagine enough control and one could bend away oxygen, or concentrate the oxygen around a person and burn them with it. Heating air to a plasma, or convection-baking someone with it.

Water Bending Level 3 = Blood Bending

>>84208
Oh hey, you're completly full of shit.
There's no evidance that any of that fanfiction you wrote is possible
For insatnce-
>>making the nitrogen in their blood bubble
Seeing as waterbenders can't even bloodbend without getting powerups from the moon that seems pretty unlikely

>>81846
Nope, lightning never came up. Considering the limitations put on firebending, it's pretty unclear how it might work.

Airbending Lvl. 2 - ´´Wind sword´´
Aang use this in the Drill episode to cut a

>>85255
>Aang use this in the Drill episode to cut a
Cut a bitch? A whole bottle?

>>85271
He accidentally the whole drill.

>>85273
I think Avatar is a pretty cool guy. eh uses airbending and doesnt afraid of anything...

>>85271
A rock he cut a fuking rock !!!!

>>85415

I'm pretty sure that was just regular Earthbending. The only "wind sword" in the story as far as I know was mentioned by Aang as part of the battle armor he was trying on in Sokka's Master.

Wang Fire Level 4, is identified by golden glowing aura, and a fuller beard. In this form, the subject's power is amplified over 9000 times,.They gain the ability to use "Wang Fire Vision" allowing them to project energy beams out of their eyes that super energize anyone they hit, and give them a full and frothy beard.

>>85434
>They
>Them
>implying there are multiple Wang Fires

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

>>85434
>His power level! It's beyond maximum! It's Bemaximum!

>How could you say that, Uncle?

I think its incorrect to assume these abilities as levels.
Its better if they are considered branches of the element that you can learn and master.
The only levels there is should be a measure of the skill the bender has when manipulating their element. Kind of like most martial arts. There isn't a huge difference between the fundamental moves that a beginner uses as opposed to what the master uses, but the master is just a fuckton better at using those moves.

There actually is an answer to this question, and I know what it is.

But if I told you, you'd think I was full of shit, and I wouldn't blame you.

>>85492
I think you're full of shit just for mentioning it so you might as well go ahead and stop beating around the bush.

>>85514

Sorry, don't want to get in trouble, don't want to get other people in trouble.

I will say it's fucking awesome, and another reason why we should all be WAY more angry than we are about getting a shitty movie instead of a fourth season.

>>85517
Are you claiming to have "inside info" or something? And we all know the creators planned to have three seasons only, there was never going to be a real season four.

>>85528
I would LOL if the creators are actually working on the fourth season and all this stuff about Korra was just a ruse to misguide us.

>>85528

Right, which is why Iroh's visit to the spirit world, the fate of post-genocide airbending, and the whereabouts of Zuko's mother were all wrapped up so nicely at the end of season 3. Because at no point were they ever planning to do a fourth season. Ever.

>>85532
There were once plans for three 1-hour specials to be made after the series finale that would explore things like that, but there's no evidence whatsoever of a fourth season ever being planned.

>>85534

Different anon.

Actually, the "planned Season 4" thing is totally legit. The writers really wanted another season to wrap up loose ends, and for a while it looked like they were going to get it -- enough so that several plotlines were set up/extended with the presumption that they'd be addressed in the next season. M&B, having finished the arc they were interested in, would have taken a back seat, and Aaron Ehasz and the other writers would have basically run the last leg of the show.

One of the (many) reasons that some of the writers hate the movie is that it essentially sunk S4 -- the movie was more exciting and interesting to Mike and Bryan, they were having a great time working on early script stuff with Shyamalan, they wanted the show wrapped up and in the bag so they could concentrate on the movie. So S4 and the writers were thrown under the bus, so to speak, and instead of Iroh in the Spirit World we have a crappy film.

My information on this front is somewhat biased, I will freely admit, because I've spent a lot of time talking to former writing staff but only know about what M&B were up to indirectly. But some information is solid and confirmed by multiple sources -- M&B were actively involved with the movie script, including signing off on drafts; there were specific plans in place for S4 that were never realized; and certain members of the writing staff are worried Legend of Korra will sink any chance of those storylines ever being told, because M&B have ditched the writers entirely and may very well contradict all the plotlines and such that the staff had worked out.

It is kind of a mess, actually.

But anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, yeah it seems there was another level of Airbending that Aang would have learned, although I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics (and they probably would have changed anyway.)

>>85537

Allright, time to be a doubting Thomas, here. (Does anybody still say "doubting Thomas?")

I don't know, too much of that sounds really fishy. The Season 2 DVD sets that had the M. Night interview (unless that was added later) came out September 11, 2007, meaning those interviews happened before, during the production and airtime of Season 3, so it doesn't sound like we'd have not known about a Season 4, they'd have possibly already written it by then when they all sat around writing Season 3. Also, Mike and Bryan know to appreciate their writers. Aaron Ehasz and Giancarlo Volpe aren't involved because they're busy on other projects, and considering that after a while, Mike and Bryan were directors and executive producers for the show, with huge chunks of it being contributed by their writers (hell, Ehasz created *Toph* as we know her) I don't think they'd just pull an M. Night and say "No, I'll do it all my way."

Also, signing off on drafts? I know Mike and Bryan did a little storyboard stuff early on, but M. Night does *not* sounds like the kind of person who honestly has people review his work, and if he does do so, he quickly ignores them. Saying Mike and Bryan helped write the script would have been a huge publicity thing, and we never heard anything at all of their approval, and remember these were people who tried to play up "Earthbending Boy." They'd have jumped on this shit.

I'm pretty much completely skeptical at best with most of these claims, really. Sage for off topic.

>>85532
>Right, which is why Iroh's visit to the spirit world, the fate of post-genocide airbending, and the whereabouts of Zuko's mother were all wrapped up so nicely at the end of season 3. Because at no point were they ever planning to do a fourth season. Ever.

The fate of Ursa was never important to any aspect of the plot. Besides, she's apparently alive. Mike has already said there was a reunion scene that was scrapped because he didn't like it. If they were planning on writing this as a plot point for Book 4, why would he just drop a spoiler like that at a con?

I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say "the fate of post-genocide Airbender". The fate of Airbending rests exclusively with Aang's ability to have Airbending children, a simply plot point that has been addressed in Korra.

Iroh's journey to the Spirit World was a well-orchestrated plot device that gave him a real motive to go against Zhao, making him a traitor to set up the story arc for season 2. It wasn't enough for Zhao to blow up their boat because Iroh was still a respected general with connections back home which is probably why Zhao felt the need to suck up to him in The Southern Air Temple. He could have just gotten Zuko another boat. He had to become a traitor.

If he hadn't become a traitor, he and Zuko would have never been forced into abject poverty and treated like criminals and hunted like animals. It was Zuko's season 2 arc that opened his eyes to the truths behind the war which would eventually help to influence his decision to betray Ozai. That whole thing was just an elaborate set-up, an ends to a means to get Zuko's character from Points A to B.

His journey also gave Iroh's character a unique sense of higher enlightenment, distinguishing him from everyone else, particularly from the other old masters. This could have very well been the reason why he was their Grand Lotus.

>>85537

You make it sound like Mike and Bryan are in legal control of the Avatar: The Last Airbender property. That property is owned exclusively by Nickelodeon and Viacom. Mike and Bryan's names aren't even listed in the copyright notice at the end of each episode so they hold no copyrights related to ATLA's property.


If Nickelodeon was serious about Book 4, why isn't it in production? If there were serious plans for season 4, we'd be getting that instead of Korra.
Were contracts drawn up? Because if there were contracts, then Mike and Bryan couldn't have bailed. If contracts weren't drawn, then there were never solid plans for season 4. Nothing happens without contracts.

Of course this entire conversation completely ignores the well-established fact that Mike and Bryan have always said they would not do a season 4. "Aang and Zuko's stories are over." Nickelodeon is respectful of their wishes otherwise Nickelodeon would tell them to get to work on Book 4 or get out.

>My information on this front is somewhat biased, I will freely admit, because I've spent a lot of time talking to former writing staff but only know about what M&B were up to indirectly. But some information is solid and confirmed by multiple sources...

What sources?

>M&B were actively involved with the movie script, including signing off on drafts;

Even if they were, that should not have interfered with development of season 4 because they would have been working for the same company. Shyamalan's script was finished in 2008. It's 2010! If there were plans for season 4, they would have been underway by now. Of course, you're certainly free to provide a scan of a signed draft.

My personal feelings regarding their script involvement is that Shyamalan is far too much of a control freak to keep them around for very long. I think he cut them loose back in 2007. I believe they /wanted/ to work on the script because they seemed genuinely excited about the movie, But I really can't see Shyamalan putting up with them for very long, particularly when his vision deviated greatly from the source.

Besides, I think Shyamalan has confirmed in an interview that he only met with them early on in the development to work on the original draft. This is when they told him he'd have to cut stuff like June and Jet because the movie would end up being ten hours if he kept elements from every single episode.

>and certain members of the writing staff are worried Legend of Korra will sink any chance of those storylines ever being told.

They can join the ranks of disgruntled Book 4: Air fanfic writers.

>because M&B have ditched the writers entirely and may very well contradict all the plotlines and such that the staff had worked out.

Giancarlo Volpe, Rufftoon, and Aaron Ehasz have already said they can't write for Korra because they are committed to other projects. Maybe other writers wanted to get hired back. But this is currently a mini-series so it seems silly to hire 20 writers to work on a twelve episode mini-series.

>But anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, yeah it seems there was another level of Airbending that Aang would have learned, although I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics (and they probably would have changed anyway.)

It's the 36th Level of Airbender. Aang mastered 35 levels and invented the Air Scooter so he was given his tattoos early but ran way before he could master the 36th Level. This information is found in "The Lost Scrolls: Air".

>>85556
>It's the 36th Level of Airbender

-_-; 36th Level of Airbending.,,

>>85556
>>85547

I'm sorry, I don't know what to tell you guys. I wrote up that post on a whim because I thought it was info worth sharing, but now I kind of wish I hadn't -- my "sources" are avastaff friends I had lunch with and griped to me about their ATLA woes, but who obviously can't talk about any of this stuff themselves. The other anon is actually a friend of mine who was at one of those lunches with me, which is why I ended up looking at this thread to begin with.

Sharkman and Plushulala, I know you guys elsewhere and I can message you about this privately if you really want.

I'm not here to start shit. I honestly just forget sometimes that it isn't common knowledge that there was a 4th season in the works. So much of the structure of the show itself SCREAMS unfinished business. If M&B never seriously considered a 4th season, then they pretty majorly mislead certain key members of their staff.

Anyway, whatever. Water under the bridge. Hopefully those storylines will see the light in one form or another (still holding out hope for more comics, at least, since the new Del Rey books did pretty well). If not, hopefully at least Korra won't suck!

>>85559

>Sharkman and Plushulala, I know you guys elsewhere and I can message you about this privately if you really want.

No, thank you. I probably wouldn't believe you and I'd rather not know who the players are. This just seems like some behind-the-scenes drama or some anon jerking that I don't want to be involved in.

>>85559

I, on the other hand, wouldn't mind. I have a hunch and now I'm curious.

>>85559

Thanks so much for the rather...intriguing info, anon.

On one hand, I wonder what could have been (more Kyoshi Ty Lee, Katara and Aang as an official item, Firelord Zuko's strife within his nation, Hakoda and his men finally go home, etc etc). On the other, I hope those loose ends are addressed in some form in Korra while still being a compact bundle of awesome.

Pic kinda related, it's Eli Manning performing bloodbending on himself.

>>85567
>more Kyoshi Ty Lee, Katara and Aang as an official item, Firelord Zuko's strife within his nation, Hakoda and his men finally go home
Sounds like boring ff material, IMHO.
Book one: water
Book two: earth
Book three: fire
Book four: anticlimax?

>>85578

>>85578

It's a hundred times better than Zuko finding his stupid mother.

>>85567

It sounds really suspiciously like the fifth season of Babylon 5. Most of the major dramas were wrapped up, leaving a bunch of disparate odds and ends that I honestly doubt could fill a whole season.

Everything for the last three seasons seems to culminate in Sozin's Comet, and I can't really see how it continues past that. The end of Book 3 did feel extraordinarily cramped, but I'd put that down to an excessively sedate first half that pushed the writers into a corner with no way to resolve all the threads they'd spun. Zuko's mother being the most egregious example.

In other words, I'd blame cock-up rather than conspiracy. So I'd have to side with the doubters on this one.

>>85585

I remember there being a lot of talk about the three additional animated things (were they going to be movies? More shorts? I don't honestly remember, it's been too long) being for wrapping things like that up. I always liked the idea of there being an hour long short featuring What's Goin' Down in each country, with Gaang overlap, just to put everyone's minds at ease.

Back on the subject of advanced bending...

Could sufficient knowledge in a single element allow you to find loopholes that can give you some bending overlap? Can a firebender bend a rock if it's properly heated to the point of being partially composed of lava? Can a fire bender bend lava? What about boiling water? Or a very hot wind? As long as his power is focused on bending the heat within these objects, can he make them move?

>>85983

ZOMFG read this fic!

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5398503/1/Embers

>>85983
I can't swear to this or cite sources, but I'm pretty sure it's been stated that magma/lava can only be bent by either a firebender and an earthbender working together or the Avatar.

>>86004

I honestly don't see why an earthbender couldn't bend lava by themselves. It's still rock, just in a different state. Waterbenders can move water whether it's liquid, gas, or solid, so I don't see why that should stop an earthbender from moving it.

Ooh, AWESOME thought just occured:

Airbenders SHOULD be able to move Dry Ice (made from CO2)!

>>86026
But it's a solid.
If you say he can bend one solid gas, then he can basically bend most everything because technically if you threw it near the sun it would vaporize so it's a gas but only a solid, or airbenders can bend water because it's just condensed water vapor.

In regards to the "can benders bend something that's half their element half not," Roku could bend lava, so I don't know if that's him just using firebending or him using earth and firebending in unison.

So in my mind:
Water+Air=Cloudbending
Earth+Fire=Lavabending
Water+Earth= Mudbending (though you don't need two benders for this)
Water+Fire=Steambending? It seems feasible. Roku redirected hot gas from a volcano.
Air... doesn't mix with a lot, unfortunately.

>>86027

Ok, but CO2 is something that Airbenders could bend in its "natural" state. It's still "air" even if it's been condensed. Earthbenders can't bend water that has been solidified, and Waterbenders can't bend oil because it's liquid. So, and Airbender should be able to bend solidified air.