>>79346

>Kataangers are just hostile to Sokka in general, making him the overprotective brother.

Making him overprotective != being hostile to his character.

And I agree, I have not experienced Sukka hate either. But it does seems to me Tokka gets more love among them.

>It seems like Zutara shippers ship Sokka with Suki most of the time

I don't see why that's such a surprise. They surely can't ship Tokka because they need Toph to be the consolation prize for Aang when Katara leaves him for Zuko.


......I hate Zutara.

>>79325

>What's your point?

Just that it seems a bit creepy to me. Same way that it weirds me out that people write lovely-dovey incest fics where it's played off as being wonderful and not messed up at all.

>>79360
>Just that it seems a bit creepy to me.
It doesn't bother me. It isn't incest because they aren't biologically related. Since they weren't raised as siblings, there would be no familial bond. If they were raised together as brother and sister, that would be creepy.

People are going to ship what they want to, and they aren't going to let real world "hang-ups" they may have with things like pedophilia, rape, torture, incest, step-siblings...ness, or infidelity get in the way of their OTP. Besides, we're talking about a group of people who wrote fics where Zuko rapes and brands Katara with Firebending and she ends up enjoying it. (They call it "dark romance" but those are rape/torture fics.) This is not the group who would get squeamish over something as mundane as Katara and Zuko becoming step-siblings.

>Same way that it weirds me out that people write lovely-dovey incest fics where it's played off as being wonderful and not messed up at all.
Almost nothing creeps me out more than Zucest. Not only are they blood, but they don't even like each other, and Azula uses him for a chew toy. But yes, incest ships are pretty creepy. But then I find a good 70% to 80% of all Avatar ships creep me out for one reason or another. The canon ships don't take me out of my comfort zone so I just stick with them.

>>79370

Good point on them being older. And now that you've mentioned a lot of the messed up shit in fandom, yeah incest is pretty popular as long as the characters are pretty (Supernatural and FMA fandoms, I'm looking at you).

>Zuko rapes and brands Katara with Firebending and she ends up enjoying it.

Intellectually, I realize that a few people have to write this kind of stuff, but still I just. . .what.

>Almost nothing creeps me out more than Zucest.

Katara/Sokka creeps me out a lot more because they actually act like family. And I don't think many Zucest shippers believe it's a healthy relationship, so at least it's usually intentionally creepy?

>>79372

If you're really into that, then I'd suggest looking up some early Zutara. I remember thinking most of those stories had the exact same plot: Zuko captures Katara, rapes Katara, Katara develops Stockholm syndrome after Iroh tells her Zuko's sob story and she realizes that Zuko is the Rapist With A Heart of Gold, Zuko brands Katara out of "love" and makes her his Firelady.

Whuh...

what.

I was just looking through the Maiko thread and I realised that I don't I've ever seen Mai/Sokka shipped together. Like, ever.

Also Suki/Ty Lee. I figured after the finale that would have gotten some attention, but nope.

>>79381

I know at least one person who ships them. He's posted fic for them on ff.net.

>>79381
I had a fic idea for Suki and Ty Lee, so you're not the only one

>>79373

Firecest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watercest

The latter really creeps me out.

I actually like some Watercest stuff, but then again I'm disturbingly weird and have never found the concept of incest so unfappably creepy.

>>79381

Suki/Sokka/Ty Lee is the single best and most likely threesome possibility in Avatar canon. Though it's far more likely to be a one-off than an ongoing ship.

I think Suki likes having Sokka pretty much to herself.

>>79374
In short, they get neither Zuko nor Katara at all (nore remotly healthy relationships, but that is beside the point).

>>79394
Oddly enough, I never saw Kacest developing in a matter quite as patholigical as Zucest. More along the lines of two teens cuddling together on a cold night developing into something forbidden (rather than the rape and/or mindgames Azula would direct toward her brother).

>>79437
Shamefully seconded.

>>79437
Can someone explain what /ss/ means to me?

>>79458
/straight shota/

>>79465
I'm still kind of confuse. I thought Sokka is older than shota normally goes. Or is it the dynamic of their relationship that is /ss/?

>>79486
I thought the above Anon was talking about Aang/Katara.

>>79490
Derp, I got mixed up with the discussion of watercest. Never mind me.

>>79465
Hmm... the age-gap is rather small for that but....

<pictures Katara traing the innocent little boy>

<drools>

My new favorite ship is a Azula/Ty Lee/Mai/Zuko polyamorous relationship, Haven't found any fics or art about the ship but I'm sure it exists.

>>79686
:I

I ship Kataang because its totally adorable! And Ty Luko because i think thats ty lee's only ship that really makes sense. And i luv zuko!!!!!!!!

>>79763
Easy on the exclamation points there, newfie.

>>79768
I wasn't being a grammar nazi or getting nitpicky over typos, I wasn't even giving someone a hard time for using emoticons, which I've seen before here. I was merely suggesting that particular Anon might attempt not to type like a ten year old on a sugar high. I find it more amusing that you took issue with me than with that.

>Ty Luko because i think thats ty lee's only ship that really makes sense.

haha what

>>79771

Actually, I think he, or she, is right. She seemed to care for Zuko and know him more than he thought, and Zuko had some kind of mutual care for her too. He made that fire with a smile when she was cold and got her out of prison too.

In Ty Lee's other ships, there really isn't any mutual care. She only really cared about Mai or Zuko, and those 2 kinda cared for her too. Ty Lokka was cute but I don't think it would happen.

>>79791

With that logic, Mai Lee would equally make as sense as Ty Luko, except, you know, they don't make sense because it ruins canon Maiko. So, no. Neither would make the best sense.

>>79794

In terms of canon, no Ty Lee ship will happen, I think we know that. The 2 she cares about love each other. And Ty Lee doesn't really care for anyone else.

But in terms of fanon, only Mai Lee and Ty Luko would actually work. Maybe Ty Lokka, but that's a reach.

>>79815
I still think Tyzula could have worked, but it wouldn't be a very healthy relationship. Then she does some "bonding" with the Kyoshi Warriors in prison and all is well. Possible threesome involving Sukka, because they just seem like the most likely couple to go for that sort of thing. Ty Lee, Toph, even Zuko. I think Sokka and Suki, while very devoted to each other, wouldn't be adverse to a little extra company now and then.

>>79819
>I think Sokka and Suki, while very devoted to each other, wouldn't be adverse to a little extra company now and then.
O-oh God.
The more I think about it, the more I realize you're right.
My mind...

>>79821
You're welcome. :D

>>79821>>79828
Hence the idea of Sukkoph! :D

>>79821

Seconding this! Sukka as the swinger couple!

>>79819

In no way would TyZula have worked. There's just no sense of care between the 2. Azula wants her dead and Ty Lee doesn't really care about her. As for the threesome involving Sukka, yes. That's one of Ty Lee's most likely outcomes.

>>79859

oh, please. do you really believe that ty lee didn't care about azula? remember how in the beach when azula was talking about how her own mother thought she was a monster ty lee looked genuinely sad for her, and when azula insulted ty lee and apologized (albeit in her own anti-social way) to her. ty lee was also genuinely happy and excited to see azula for the first time in forever in return to omashu. and as for azula wanting ty lee not to mention that she didn't have mai and ty lee executed when she was going to kill mai herself. i'm not going "OMG LOOK IT'S PROOF! TYZULA IS CANON!!" i ship it, and i know it's a crackship, but are you serious? there is no possible way that ty lee never cared for azula and that azula wanted her dead.

inb4 "it's a kids' show, they wouldn't have them killed!" bullshit. look at kya for an example for someone getting executed.

>>79859
Fail. Also not saying Tyzula was omgcanon, but Ty Lee was about the only person Azula actually cared about besides daddy Ozai. And Ty Lee genuinely cared about her to the point of practically worshiping her. You DID actually watch the series, right?

>>79860

>and as for azula wanting ty lee dead, she didn't have mai and ty lee executed when she was going to kill mai herself.

fix'd and saged for what the fuck was i typing

>>79860

Ty Lee making that face is completely platonic. ANYONE would have looked sympathetically at someone admitting they were seen as a monster. Ty Lee wasn't necessarily attached to Azula, she just kinda was infatuated with the IDEA of being a friend of this "o so great" princess, it seemed.

And you can't really use the whole "apology" as a support that Azula truly cares for Ty Lee. How many times did Azula do something evil to Ty Lee as compared to Azula caring for Ty Lee? Let's see: she ripped her outta the place she loved, she nearly killed her, she insults her, and the list can go on. Ty Lee also seemed as happy as ever after the war. The thought of Azula being locked away did not bother her one bit. They really weren't anything more than friends, and I have trouble calling them even that.

As for Azula wanting Ty Lee (and Mai) dead, there's no denying it. She said "Lock them somewhere I'll never have to see their faces again, and LET THEM ROT!". You do know what that means...right?

I don't have anything against the ship, I'm just saying that it would never ever work, that's all. I can likely refute any support I see. I've watched this show too many times.

>>79865

since it's such a platonic expression, i would have honestly figured zuko and mai to have a similar one instead of "yeah, well, you're still a grade A cunt and a major bitch." they were childhood friends, and granted that mai pulled away from that friendship with azula, ty lee still seemed to care about her. i, personally, don't think azula would have ordered the ringmaster to set that net on fire if she knew ty lee could mess up.

"rot in jail" is an expression. i honestly believe if she wanted them dead, she would have ordered it. i know you have your perceptions on how shit went down, and i'm just explaining mine in my own rather... forceful and opinionated way.

there is no way that there was no incredibly slight possibility that they could have had an unhealthy, non-con relationship at the most.

>>79869

If a relationship were to happen to them, I doubt Ty Lee would be for it. She would have to be forced into it and whipped (out of fear/power) by Azula. And that, although Azula is a bitch, is still unlikely.

Would you mind pointing out to me one scene, just one, that shows Ty Lee truly caring for Azula? Like I said, I've seen the show many times, and it never would have occurred to me that Ty Lee would put herself in harms way to help Azula, like she did Mai.

>>79859
I have to pipe in with the rest here. Let me say that I by no means think TyZula is in any way canon whatsoever and that most of Ty Lee's "yes manning" (is that... is that even a term) was spurred on by her fear of Azula. Regardless, I think it would go against Ty Lee's nature to say she didn't care about Azula.

Totally platonic (in my opinion), but still.

>>79884

I can agree with you here. Sorry for butting into your conversation. As a friend, there is some mutual care, but it's nothing strong in my opinion.

>>79865
>The thought of Azula being locked away did not bother her one bit.
But you don't know that. Just because she's happy with her new friends doesn't mean she might not feel guilty or sorry for Azula, she just isn't showing it at the moment.

>>79881
>She would have to be forced into it and whipped (out of fear/power) by Azula.
I doubt that. Ty Lee seems like an open-minded girl who might be into experimenting. I'm sure Azula would have been the dominant one in the relationship, but I don't think she'd actually be beating and raping Ty Lee into submission.

>Would you mind pointing out to me one scene, just one, that shows Ty Lee truly caring for Azula?
She was certainly happy to see her when she first showed up, until she was being coerced into going along with the mission. She fawns over Azula constantly in The Beach, and tells her how smart she is for her plan to take over Ba Sing Se. Whether you believe Tyzula could have happened or not, you have to admit Ty Lee genuinely cared about Azula and thought very highly of her. Azula, in turn, seemed to care about Ty Lee at least a little bit. I doubt she would have been as broken up over the betrayal otherwise. I can see her getting angry over Mai, but it was Ty Lee that made her snap. Had it just been Mai, I think she would have been able to move on. Ty Lee was the only one she really seemed to care for who was not family.

tl;dr Still not claiming Tyzula is canon, but there was a bond there, and it possibly could have turned into something more.

>>79908

i cant seem to agree with you here. we dont know what affect each individual betrayal had on Azula. we cant say that Mai made her upset and Ty Lee made her coo-coo. we dont know that.

Anyway why are we arguing this? I think we all know its not anywhere near canon

>>79918

because it's hard to argue with something that's relative and that someone has to interpret. all i was saying was there was no possible way that ty lee never cared for azula ever. maybe it came out differently, but that's all i was trying to say.

ZeiKuei, and to a lesser extent MaiTara. I shall provide no explanation, as there is none, beyond me being an obsessive freak for the first, and the porn is really hot for the second.
Also, I would really love sauce on this pic.
https://plus4chan.org/boards/a/res/54636.html#54674

>>79919

if she did happen to care for Azula (I think she did, but not much) it would only have been because they're friends. kind of like how we care about our friends nowadays. i dont think its a strong bond, but you never know. i've always felt that ty lee's bond with mai was a lot stronger than ty lee's bond with azula.

Okay I've skimmed through most of this thread and I haven't seen the FIRST Toph/Sokka pairing.
W.
T.
F.
Well then again she is like 12...