I get off to futa!Azula and find the idea of her pegging Ty Lee to be extremely erotic.

>>78240

Wouldn't Ty Lee *also* have to have a penis for it to be pegging? Isn't it just some form of intercourse otherwise?

>>78242

No. I just like the term. Lol.

>>78244

Word, rather than term.

I didn't think The Great Divide or The Painted Lady were bad. I suppose I can be forgiven for not being annoyed at TGD for being filler, as I only got started on the show after its airing and watched a whole bunch in a row.

Also, all the reasonings I tell people about why I decided to take Chinese in college (job opportunities, etc.) all pale in comparison to the real reason -- Avatar. In fact, a lot of my earlier interests in ancient Rome or Greece or Egypt or various medieval/steampunk European settings have been obliterated in favor of studying ancient Chinese stuff. After so many years of rolling my eyes at the weeaboos taking Japanese to better understand the rich and detailed nuances of moeblob anime in Glorious Nippon, I do worry I'm becoming a Chinaboo or something. Though perhaps having the flaws of China (in its government both modern and ancient, in its technological stagnation in recent centuries, etc.) more out in the open than in Japan (where, say, a lot of the wartime atrocities and latent racism are more hidden away from the modern image of Japan) helps keep me from romanticizing China too much.

Despite having all the episodes on my computer, I haven't rewatched them in a very long time, only rewatching them now that I have Nicktoons. And when I watch them I'm amazed at how much I've forgotten. At times I've wondered if I had become more a Gaang Jr fan than an Avatar fan.

I have fapped to that one Katara/June/Nyla fic on AFF, repeatedly.

I think the adaptation looks neat.

>Fapped to Toph foot fetish porn

Guilty, oh so very very guilty.

In my opinion, shipping is the worst aspect of Avatar fandom, if only because it tends to detract from a show that has a interesting plot, a dynamic art direction and gorgeous animation. I didn't even really get into the show when it started out because so many boards were so swept up in ZUTARA! KATAANG! TOKKA! SCHMORBLACH! ETC!

I was so glad when I found this place, if only becuase you guys were talking about more than fictional kisses.

I think Zutara is a delightful crackship. I enjoy it when it is treated as such.

f!s +af!s: Oh I've repeatedly fapped to foot fetish material to all our lovely avatar ladies,...and really, any material in which one girl dominates the other, mentally and sexually.

b!s +ab!s, I'm giving very very serious thought to soon writing The Great American novel Multi-chapter Fapfic in which a pre boiling rock, half broken, getting more broken by the day, prisoner Suki is passed along between Azula, Ty Lee, and a Mai/Maiko combo for the purpose of activities.

>>78252
>I didn't even really get into the show when it started out because so many boards were so swept up in ZUTARA! KATAANG! TOKKA! SCHMORBLACH! ETC!

Relates to my first confession: for the same reason, it took two broken down computers, three busted guitar strings, a bored dog, no beer, no good documentaries on cable, and no money to rectify these situations to get me to watch Avatar.

I first heard about Avatar through several friends of mine in college. (It's an art school, everyone watches cartoons!) They were completely obsessed with the show, and kept trying to get me interested. But I didn't trust their taste in shows, because they had also fangirled over some (IMHO) extremely lame anime/cartoons in the past, so I assumed Avatar would be more of the same. Can you blame me, though? Nickelodeon shows aren't exactly known for their strong character development.

It was only one year ago when I was staying at a friend's house, (an excellent roleplayer/fanfic writer friend, whose opinions I trust) started playing Avatar, and I was immediately hooked.

Sometimes I really regret not getting into Avatar while it was actually showing. It would have been fun to join in with everyone else when there were still uncertainties about how the story would unfold- I remember in retrospect when my friends were freaking out and wondering if Azula and Co. had killed the Kyoshi Warriors. XD One of my friends cosplayed as Suki "in tribute" just in case she'd actually died, lol.

But on the other hand, I'm glad I was not around for the silly shipping wars. That may have very well turned me off from the fandom completely. Plus, on a more selfish note,I think people appreciated my Avatar artwork more this way, since it came belatedly.

I there are a lot of things that bugged me about the way the ending was handled. I don't mention this often because I don't want to get lumped in with the crazed Zutarians, or the 'omg hero's need to kill, lion turtle sucks' crew.

>>78258
>Nickelodeon shows aren't exactly known for their strong character development.

Hey Arnold.

>>78261I haven't seen a whole lot of that, but just by looking at the designs, I'd find it hard to take any plot development in that show seriously. XD;

>>78262
You're really selling the show short.

My only regret is not having enough time to draw everything I want. :(

>>78262
It's full of it, trust me.
Y'know, if you ignore the character design (quite the feat) you'll notice it can be one of Nickelodeon's better toons.

I don't think I have anything to confess. My crimes are self-evident.

The ending could've used some work though.

>>78267
Also:
>This thread.

>>78252
Oh man, I totally ship SCHMORBLACH! I thought I was the only one.

>>78270
I know I'm going to regret asking this, but... what the heck is "SCHMORBLACH"?

>>78271

Schmorblach is a crackship between Schmorblan, this bacterium, 508,000th from the right on Sokka's ear, here, and Chen, the algae here on the top of this ocean kumquat.

It's a total crackship, though, they're one shot characters that don't show up outside their one episode, the voice actors were kinda meh, and not that I'm knocking it's character, or to sound nucle-ist, but I don't think Chen goes for prokaryotes.

I have a few...

Even though I LOVED the Gaang, I found the Fire kids (Mai, Azula, Zuko, Ty Lee) more interesting.

When the animation was done by the folks who did The Painted Lady, The Boiling Rock pt. 2 and The Beach, I thought it was gorgeous. When it was done by the other guys...I didn't hate it, but I had a hard time swallowing the Avatar-is-the-best-animated-show-on-TV line. It always looked tremendously awkward to me when done by that company.

I had a huge amount of trouble falling asleep this past semester, and one of the only things that helped me was writing Maiko fic in my head.

Even though I'm not cool with the whitewashing of the movie, I'm uncomfortable aligning myself with the movement because it's so rife with identity politics that I don't agree with and when I say so, everyone bitches at me for my privilege. I'm tired of explaining that it is possible to be a a Hispanic girl not born to wealth and still disagree with them on more real-world race-and-gender-and-class-and-etc issues.

I want to become a better artist in large part so I can post Avatar fanart and not be ashamed.

And lastly...since watching ATLA, I've tried to live in a way that Aang would be proud of. I'd rather die than admit out loud that a cartoon 12-year-old monk has helped me keep my temper in check and to be more understanding of people, buuuuuuut yeah. That's exactly it.

I thought (and still do to an extent) that pre-breakdown Azula is a total Mary-Sue. She knows and does all, way better than anyone else.

Even knowing that she has a catastrophic meltdown doesn't keep me from groaning at a few of her plothax escapes and achievements.

>>78278
The whole race thing is just a huge clusterfuck and I really don't blame you for staying away from it.

1. I hate the term "shipping", its completely fucking stupid. Back in the day when people wanted to see Meggan and Nightcrawler hook up in Excalibur we didn't fucking call it "MegCrawler".
2. Zutarans are crazy, but I wanted to see those two at least make out. They are all wrong for each other, though.
3. I REALLY want so see Jin become Zuko's concubine. But hey, who doesn't?

The super-serious turn Kataang took at the end never sat well with me. I would have been a much happier fan if it had ended with them tenderly holding hands, instead of the super-srs sunset smooch of twu wuv.

Frankly, season 3 sucked. Especially the second half. Maybe if they didn't spend so much time catering to fanbrats it would've been better.

>>78276
OMG SMEXY

>>78297
DAMMIT JACKIE DIAZ, STOP TRACING THINGS.

I originally started watching the show when it first premiered, got to the episode with Suki in it, fell in love with her as a character...and dumped the entire show for several years because I was convinced that she would never come back and I didn't want to watch anymore if she was gone.

I made fun of my best friend *ruthlessly* for watching AtLA at first...even going so far as to prevent her from getting home on time to watch it, just so I could mock her for being so distraught over a "nicktoon" (yes, I'm a bad person and I feel bad now and have apologized profusely for my dickery :< ). It turns out that now I'm a bigger fan of the show than she ever was...

...I lost my virginity because of this show. No comment on this one.

I never really liked Iroh. He was funny and he was one of the few with some brains, but I didn't think he was as awesome as fans make him out to be.

I get kind of bored when I rewatch the series. I'm starting to wonder if it was the anticipation that kept me going. Or maybe I've watched it too many times?

I posted most of the Gaang Jr secrets on FS last year. Including the yaoi one and "this would make a better show than the series" one I meant every word.

I honestly love the people behind Avatar--they gave us something so awesome and threw their hearts and souls into it and I would love to meet them one day to thank them in person.

...

But I can't lie, upon receiving the Avatar book, which is largely incredible, a tiny part of me is mad with them for giving more production info for, like, Piandao and June, than Mai and Ty Lee.

>>78301
Meaning?

I really don't care for Gaang Jr. I think the names are stupid, I think then character designs are stupid, I think the plots are stupid...and in my opinion, not all, but a good number of the people who get so into it are almost as bad as the most rabid of rabid Zutarians. Sure they're not hassling the creators of the show or anything; thank god they're not at that level of insanity, but still, if you speak out against their precious Gaang Jr., they'll still act like you're not a true fan of the show and are some delusional fool that can't accept canon...when it's them that have the little fan made world.

In conclusion, I really don't like Gaang Jr., and I would probably be more okay with it if some of the fans of it didn't annoy the fuck out of me, even though I'd most likely dislike it regardless.

>>78322

>>78322

Seconding this one.

>>78323

Thanks for proving his point, brah.

>>78305

...er, exactly what I said? I'm a little disappointed that characters that I loved, and were consequential to the series (Mai and Ty Lee) didn't have near the same amount of info on them in the book as other, less-prominent characters did. I mean, Hei Bei got more page space than either of them combined. :/ Doesn't bother me too much, but...well, I'm a little let down.

>>78323

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, exhibit A.

>>78323

Responding to a post on how Gaang Jr people can't take criticism with an insulting image. Well done sir.

>>78327
>>78325
>>78328
Guys, all he did was post a crying baby.

>>78331

Which was nothing if not intended to belittle, disregard or insult the poster's opinion, none of which needed to be said or done on this thread.

Infact, said example is the ONLY bit of negativity on this ENTIRE thread of people admitting they've fapped to Toph's bare feet and general ragging on the series as a whole. Just goes to show how shitty and touchy Gaang Jr. is around here.

I think Katara looks terrible with her hair down. That was my only complaint about season 3. Bring back the hair loopies!

I dunno, maybe if the poster's argument was better than "it's stupid and I hate it and people say I'm stupid when I say it's stupid" then the image would have been less suitable.

>>78331

in response to a kind of calm and rational post about how some gaang jr fans get offended way too easily and quickly and can't take criticism well. if there was one way to make the op look right, and gaang jr fans look bad, it would be to imediatly post an insulting image directly after the op disagreeing with him/her in an immature way. pretty sure crying baby fits that pretty well. so now I as a gaang jr. fan look like an asshole because of it :I

>>78333
Likewise. I've talked about it before, but I miss the braid and prominent loopies (and the prominent EARSSS that result). The other style never felt like it fit her. also her Fire Nation hair looked like a penis from the back

>>78334

Actually right I made that post I realized I should have said "don't personally care for" instead of stupid. I'll be the first to admit that you're right in the respect that using the word "stupid" makes me sound...well...stupid. Other than that though, I stand by my original words. Some fans of Gaang Jr. take criticism and remarks against Gaang Jr. way too harshly in my opinion. Regardless, the intelligent thing to do would have been to simply respond with a well thought out post about how my use of the word stupid was wrong, (as you have just pointed out) or how it's okay to dislike Gaang Jr as long as you're nice about it, or the smart and kind fans of the series that even I know exist could have posted something about they're sorry that some of their associates can get a bit aggressive. Instead, the first thing I got was a crying baby, and I feel that proves my point. Like someone else just said, there's been a lot of crazy stuff so far said in this tread, some of it criticizing the actual show itself and not some mere fan made project, and yet I'm the first person that really got attacked.

I'll admit that using the word stupid was wrong, but I have a feeling I would have got the same response regardless.

>>78332

The speed and consensus behind the responses to Murph make my "samefag" senses tingle.

Get over yourself or troll harder, whichever applies. I havn't seen any named posters freak out over insults against the project, nor have I seen them claim true canon status. Hell, I havn't even seen any major insults against the project in any recent threads either so as far as I know, you're making stuff up.

Sage for off topic internet arguments.

I'm pretty sure that the baby was supposed to be Murph himself; he was faking an exaggeratedly negative reaction in order to generate humor.

I think this is one of Katara's best moments in the series and it's written really well, but...

I hate the art. They went for fierce but honestly, in this scene, I think she looks like a monkey. Pulls me out of the story every time.

>>78341

Oh yeah, that worked a charm, didn't it?

>>78343
On the plus side, this is one of the fastest moving threads /a/ has had in an age.

>>78338

Isn't murph himself a named poster? And didn't he just post an insulting image to the original critic?

I was both >>78324 and >>78328, but (the original posting was done before I had refreshed the page to see the image) none of the others. So no, it's not just samefag.

>>78341

that was me in /sp/-troll mode and posting the first reaction image I could think of from my folder

and like sharky, my samefag detector is going bananas

>>78342

that probably looks a little off because a) her nostrils are flared in a moment of alpha-female RAEG and b) we don't see a lot of dead-straight on closeups of Katara to begin with. Katara has a very round face.

pic unrelated

I'll delete my previous post when I get the chance (I'm on my phone,) since it was in response to a post before I saw the subsequent ones and, and I'm being hostile, too, but you are making an overly simple generalization.

Call us rabid if you want but you aren't talking about a huge group like the hardcore shippers off on some LJ. This is where the project got started and where it still is. This is us you're talking about, here. Though I really havn't seen insults or defensiveness outside of you, Murph's macro, or my hasty reply, this is our home turf, so to speak, of course we get miffed at some anon insulting us and what we made.

ANNNNNNNYYYYYWAAAAAAYYYY

I thought Kataang was very cute as part of the canon, but I can't bring myself to actually ship it because...they're too young for me to get into. I'm too shy to say this non-anon because it's such a typical Zutara argument, and I DO think they're cute...but yeah. I can't ship it.

And fuck, I don't like to admit it, but because they were 13 and 15...I was a tiny bit creeped out by their big intense kiss at the end. Mostly I thought it was sweet but...yeah. Part of me was like "rrrghh."

>>78347

I definitely do not think all Gaang Jr. fans are rapid. I certainly didn't mean to imply that in any of my posts, and I really hope I didn't. Hell, maybe there's just one really rapid fan and I've just had the misfortune of meeting him/her again and again and again throughout my internet travels. In fact, I would hope that's the case.

But regardless, I just don't think the fact the project started here means I should be afraid to speak out against it. I like to come here because this is where some of the most talented and funny and kind people in the entire avatar fandom are.

So very specifically related to your post I'm now responding to, I understand that many people here participate in Gaang Jr., and more power to them for it, but overall, this board is still called +a, not +gjr. When I express my dislike for one fan project that just happened to have originated here, I don't really feel that should mean I'm criticizing the entire board, because really I'm not. I love this place. D :

>>78350

TOO LATE, YOU ARE DAMNED FOR ETERNITY.


Also my bad, >>78325 and >>78332 were me. I couldn't resist.

Still, shame on you, Murphy! Bad Murphy!

>>78350
I'm a non-rabid fan of Gaang Jr. who respects your right to dislike it. :)

Also, confession time. I freaking love me some well-written/drawn Zutara, even if it's out of character.

>>78353

I've always loved writing fanfic, and yeah, especially romance, but when it comes to Maiko (my ATLA pairing of choice)...ALL the ideas I get are smutty ones. There is more Maiko smut squirreled away on my hard drive than I am willing to admit to.

Jesus christ Murph, please stop with the goddamn macros and actually type something.

Anyway, it's okay for people not to dig GJr, it's not for everyone. Most of us adore it simply cause we've invested a year into it, and it is sorta walled off from outsiders who are intimidated/not interested/think it's stupid.

But I am curious, >>78322, where else have you encountered Gaang Jr fans? Especially the rabid type who claim that GJr is the end all be all of everything, and insists that is clearly canon. Not trolling/trying to stir shit up, I'm genuinely curious. I didn't think we ventured much past +/a/.

Also goddamn some of you are a suspicious lot, stop yelling samepost simply cause people don't like something you do.

>>78363

>>78365
That kid was eventually proven to not be the father.

I sometimes fantasize about stealing everything the Gaang JR project has come up with, tweaking it just enough to get out from under Viacom's copyright, and making my own fantasy series of books and movies.

>>78368

>>78349
Well i can't ship anything. Can't help but think that's a good thing though...

>>78363

Oh shit guys, he's so much cooler than we are!

>>78364

Sorry, it's hard for me to converse while the fellows in the blue and orange uniforms are on my TV set, toying with my emotions.

When I made the first reply it was between the crying baby reaction or a "you mad" image. Sorry for kicking up a shitstorm there.

I'm also genuinely interested where this rabid fan can be found. The gaanginites are like the crew of kids that generally keep to themselves near the monkeybars of the +/a/ playground.

>>78373

looks like I get to use this image after all

>>78246
I liked TPL, but I still think TGD was bad. That said, it did have its moments, like when Aang admits he made the whole story up. The only reason why I would have cut TPL from the series is because season three needed a few more episodes to work on real plot development, in my opinion. And I don't understand the people who hate Avatar Day. They must be the people who think every single filler episode is "time-wasting nonsense".

>>78252
I like shipping, but I despise the shipping wars and the drama that ensued. I got into Avatar late in the game, and I don't see how fans who were into the show from the beginning put up with it all.

>>78254
>f!s +af!s
>b!s +ab!s
Random question time, what do these mean?

>>78280
I think "Mary Sue", while still a legit term, gets thrown around too often and almost single female character on Avatar has been accused of being one by the fandumb. Azula, Katara, Toph, Suki... yeah, pretty much all of them.

>>78287
The term "shipping" originated with the X-Files, brah. But Avatar is the only show where I'll use combined names for ships. It is kind of silly when you think about it.

Re: Gaang Jr.
I think some people are a little too obsessed over it like saying it's better than the original series but I don't care. Some of it looks interesting, but it's just not my cup of tea, so I more or less ignore it.

>>78349
I think people who have issues with Kataang because they're "too young" think that they (or specifically, Aang) will never grow up. And probably only like ships for fap purposes, and therefore think Kataang is too underage b&, but if that's the case, Zutara should turn them off too. There's a two year age difference there as well. I just think it's a double standard, and maybe some people are intimidated by the girl being older than the guy.

>>78365
THAT IMAGE. I remember the Zutarian shitstorm that occurred after this. Only proves my point that they think shipping is all about sexin', like Katara and Aang would get it on right away. A girl the same age doing an older guy is just as wrong, fantards.

>>78401

f!s is the shortened term for Fandom Secret, and b!s is the shortened term for Bonus Secret. This thread just reminded me of Fandom Secrets, so I put +a in front of both abbreviations.

>>78401

>Re: Gaang Jr.
>I think some people are a little too obsessed over it like saying it's better than the original series

Dare I ask, where have you read anything stating as such? The people contributing to the project constantly refer back to the series and the established universe so it all fits. I'm genuinely curious where this sentiment of Gjr >Avatar stems from. This clearly isn't the aim of the project.

Please don't take this as an 'omg so defensive' post, I'm genuinely interested in where this attitude is expressed about gaang jr elsewhere, cuz it hasn't been posted on this board. Gaang Jr. is not about trumping the original series.

>but I don't care. Some of it looks interesting, but it's just not my cup of tea, so I more or less ignore it.

Exactly, to each their own. Enjoy what you like!

>I think people who have issues with Kataang because they're "too young" think that they (or specifically, Aang) will never grow up. And probably only like ships for fap purposes, and therefore think Kataang is too underage b&, but if that's the case, Zutara should turn them off too.

You're pretty much preaching to the choir on that point. Canon kataang = d'awww, older kataang = fucking hot (and cute, too! see: queenofthecute's older kataang art)

>>78403
Thanks, clears that up for me.

>>78408
>Dare I ask, where have you read anything stating as such?
The spoilers here: >>78300

But like I've said, I don't hate GJ, it even looks kind of interesting, but I don't feel the need to get into it, at least not at this point in time.

>see: queenofthecute's older kataang art
I have. It is love.

>>78408

I was the anon who seconded the original post. So I suppose I should give some background.

I first found this place after the series was already over. I wanted to like gaang fr. I liked the place, I liked a lot of the other ideas, and the characters seemed interesting.So I went to the wiki and started reading up on it.

The first story I clicked was one on them going to the site of the last battle to look for Sokka's space sword. I hated that story, specifically the part where they call out Toph on taking down the fleet.

First, what the hell? Why does she have anything to be ashamed of? It's Aang who doesn't kill, not the others. And forcing them to act like him is just as bad as forcing Aang to act like them. Why should they be ashamed of killing those guys, these weren't just people trying to defend their lives. They were engaged in active attempted genocide.

But what really annoyed me was Toph's response. The "We were stupid and younge and you have to forgive us.". The heck? The whole thing thing had Toph instantly acing like the gaang jr was right and she should throw himself on their mercy. Toph should have gotten angry, defended her actions, and angrily pointed out that _they_ (the originals) never had the option to pack it in and go home. They had to stop them, and yes, thank you very much, she is proud of stopping a bunch of genocidal warmongers.

Even if the story was supposed to be about the gaang jr finding out their parents weren't perfect, Toph arguing with them works just as well. As now both sides are angry, the jr's seeing them as a broken pedistal, and Toph thinking that their a bunch of brats who don't really understand. Instead the story was about how the Gaang Jr is so much more righteous and moral.

But I persisted, looked at the current threads. And I remember the discussion being on the Gaang Jr.s development, about how they would meet and then exceed their parents. I will admit that early experience soured me. It's never actually stated, but both of those things made me feel the point was to establish how much better the Jr's were compared to the original.

I don't hate Gaang jr.I read cabbage flower island and the snippets and comics and like those. But I do feel that some of the fans are to much. There was a conversation on the legend of Korra thread that didn't want it to be set in the future because it would make Gaang Jr non-canon.

>>78413

(continuing on)

And maybe I'm wrong. I could have been reading those the wrong way or just completely misunderstood the intent. If that wasn't the intent of the fic, or the discussion meant something else, I'd love to hear it.

>>78401

But I don't ship Zutara. And I DO think they're cute. I just have a hard time actively shipping it, because...even though I know they've been through a lot more than the average 13 and 15 year old, and even though I know they do really care about each other...a part of me is still a little like, "....D:." I KNOW it isn't particularly rational, that's why I'm posting it in an anonymous confessions thread. Maybe it's because I have a little sister who's 13, I don't know. I almost always love the major canon pairing of a show (and I still like this one!). I just can't...quite...ship it.

I just tell myself Kataang is okay because he's 113 and she's 15. Heh.

>>78413
>>78414

"The Graveyard," right? I don't think you're alone there, I remember a lot of resentment toward that story, people said it was really dark and the like. Wasn't well recieved at all.

I havn't read it in a long time, you might have a point. Dai Li would be the one to clear that up, he wrote it.

The way I saw most of the reacton to Avatar: The Legend of Korra was a "I like these little guys, it would be a shame if they were rendered impossible. That would be a bummer."

It kinda would be, for me. The project's goin' slower now, this would take a bit more wind from the sails of the Blue Flame, so to speak. Still, I don't think we're losing sleep at the prospect.

>>78428

I wasn't especially fond of 'The Graveyard' either, but The Dai Li does rather specialise in emotionally-heavy stuff. It usually works out, but 'The Graveyard' was one of the earlier tales so I think it was still fairly rough.

I never really got the impression that we were trying to have the kids 'surpass' their parents. I mean, whenever they cross paths, the kids are usually so far outclassed it's not even funny. I saw them as being very capable on their own terms, but just sufficient to match the perils of travelling on the high seas, not ending century-long wars on their lonesome.

Anyway, I always thought of Gaang Jr as an excuse for fantasy fun and adventure, which was how I approached my stories (when I posted my first story, I bracketed the instalments with over-the-top '30s serial voiceovers). If some posters are particularly divested in it to the point of preferring it to the show, then I can't really speak for them, but I don't think there are that many.

Anyway, secrets, secrets, uhhh...

I didn't really mind Zutara for the first couple of seasons, and thought Taang was actually a rather cute thought experiment?

And I've written more novel-sized Avatar fanfics than actual original novels?

Yeah, I think I'm pretty mild, by contrast.

Ok, this is gonna be long:

Season 3 was the best of all the seasons as it had the right amount of plot and character episodes (to me). Besides, I always thought the strenght of the show was in its characters, so I loved the X episodes (The Headband and The Painted Lady were two of my favourites on the first batch of episodes).

Season 2 had the whole BSS plots going on for it, but outside of that, its not particularly special. And its finale almost has NO replay value for me.

I think Azula, Sokka and Toph as overrated as fuck. Intresting characters on their own, but not the best and certainly not as awesome as the fandom likes to paint them. I hate Azulafags and Tophfags with a passion.

The best characters in the entire show were Aang, Katara and Zuko in that order.

I fucking LOVED Katara in season 3. The loopies are cute, but hair down is total UNF and the style she had in the later episodes was the best ever (hairdown+loopies FTW). I tend to get really angry at watching people call her a bitch and bash on her character (specially by when that stupid TSR meme is thrown around - God, I get angry just thinking about it).

Aang is my favourite male and even if it makes me gay and pedo, I think he's far more sexy than either Sokka or Zuko. His personality also comes on top of the other two.

Suki is the sexiest of all the Avatar Girls. Nobody, not even the adults like Jun, Ursa and Kya match her. And I quite like her attitude and way of being.

Her dissapearance made me angry to unhealthy levels. I'm kinda upset at Tokka as a result. I thought it was cute as a crush, but I never wanted it to happen.

Before watching the finale, I was ready to hate Yue with a passion due to Suki. But in the end it never happened.

I'll never, for the life of me, understand why Kohfags are so fucking obsesed with that spirit. I thouhgt it was cool, but that was it. The first time I've heard all these crazy theories on how he should come back as big bad I was like "LOL QUE, this is retarded".

I think Ozai was a bigger threat than Azula ever was, despite what /co/ would like to believe.

He was fucking insane, power hungry, a beast fighting and had some sweet abs (this show raised my gay quotient a tenfold in case you had not noticed).

It also helps that I always saw through Azula's insecurities and overcompensations.

I fucking loved all the canon ships since their introductions. The finale couldn't have made me more happy.

My most favourite crackship is Aang/Bitches. If the girl was in the show, I had thought about her with Aang at some point.

Katara, Suki, Azula, TyLee, Mai, OnJi, Meng, Ursa, the list goes on. Not so much Taang though (probably as the result of my burning hate for Zutara - doesn't apply to Sukka).

>>78428>>78430

I have to agree, The Graveyard wasn't exactly my cup of tea, even though I liked the way TDL wrote it.

>>78428
>>78430

>I never really got the impression that we were trying to have the kids 'surpass' their parents.

I can't say which thread it was. All I remember is that the first thread I saw of gaang jr. people were actively talking about them becoming greater than the orginal.

As for "the graveyard" my problem wasn't that it was dark. Or emotional. I like emotional, I can enjoy dark. My problem was that it was two one sided. With (Hakoda, I think) calling out Toph and Toph just agreeing how right he was, and how awful it was that those poor attempted genocidists were condemned to exile.

If both sides had been allowed to get in points. The gaang jr being angry about the broken pedestal, and Toph being angry at them for finding out that, yes, it was war. I wouldn't mind. But she just talked about how the gaang was kids and they were stupid etc.

Look, like I said. That was the first story I read, and it, plus the first thread I saw really soured me on it. If you have some suggestions on stuff that might make me feel different, I'm willing to give them a read. As I said, I liked "cabbage flower island" and most of the short conversations/comics.

>>78433

>I can't say which thread it was. All I remember is that the first thread I saw of gaang jr. people were actively talking about them becoming greater than the orginal.

I can't remember anything like that, TBH. Its certainly NOT how we've been portraying them so far.

>>78431
I loved season 3, but season 2 just felt more balanced overall. They needed to work on the pacing or something, and they could have used a few more episodes of solid plot development, IMO. Tie up a few more loose ends and whatnot.

Calling people (character)fags is kind of insulting. I do agree that sometimes the hardcore Toph fans got on my nerves, though. And I thought Koh was awesome and deserved a second appearance, even if I think people who wanted him to be an evil nasty villain controlling everything was stupid.

I may regret asking, but what is the "stupid TSR meme" about Katara?

Ooop. My bad, you guys.

Alright alright, I'll admit it; The Graveyard was a mistake. Perhaps if I'd done it more as a story, or did it these days, things would have come out a lot more balanced. It's certainly the one story I have the most regrets with.

As for stories you might actually enjoy, I'd advise a more general look through the shorter ones (though I don't think they're ordered). You can't go much wrong with CNB, and if you're looking for longer works, go for Saraswati's Light first before any others. Ras's after that. I currently feel, though, that the short and mid-length pieces succeed the best in capturing the whole Gaang Jr. thing; at least that's how I feel about some of my own shorter works.


...And really, I've more a problem with spiritbending and THAT ROCK than anything else regarding the comet.

>>78287
>1. I hate the term "shipping", its completely fucking stupid. Back in the day when people wanted to see Meggan and Nightcrawler hook up in Excalibur we didn't fucking call it "MegCrawler"
Oh fuck did i lol. Seriously i always hated when it was done in the medie, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie get together, now they're called "Brangelina" or some shit like that. Which was better than "Bennifer", i think that's one of the biggest reasons (aside from the plague that is Zutara) that i've come to loathe shipping so much.

>>78401
>I think "Mary Sue", while still a legit term, gets thrown around too often and almost single female character on Avatar has been accused of being one by the fandumb. Azula, Katara, Toph, Suki... yeah, pretty much all of them.

Yeah, but they all had their flaws made readily apparent, whereas Azula just suddenly became flawed when the story needed it.

>>78402
> I would have loved to be able to shove logic in Zutarian's faces.
Most of the time it wasn't as fun as it sounds. Trying to reason with a crazed shipper is like trying to reason with a small rock, but more pointless.

>>78440

Azula was always flawed, IMO.

>>78440
I thought Azula was pretty flawed from the get go, what with being a manipulative cunt and all, not to mention batshit crazy. She was also pretty socially inept as was shown in "The Beach" episode.

>>78437

>And really, I've more a problem with spiritbending and THAT ROCK than anything else regarding the comet.

I liked Spiritbending, and I thought the rock was ok (karma being a bitch to Ozai).

>>78436

>They needed to work on the pacing or something, and they could have used a few more episodes of solid plot development, IMO. Tie up a few more loose ends and whatnot.

I think the pacing is alright. And they had enough plot development, imo.

The biggest lose end is Ursa anyway and that was done on purpose.

>Calling people (character)fags is kind of insulting.

Don't read to much into it.

>I may regret asking, but what is the "stupid TSR meme" about Katara?

"YOU HATE MOM"?

It gets on my nerve.

>>78440

Azula's flaws are made evident in her first appearance.

Of course, they sort-of get downplayed 'till the third season to set her breakdown.

>>78445

>I liked Spiritbending, and I thought the rock was ok (karma being a bitch to Ozai).

...Then I shall politely disagree with the force of a thousand exploding suns.

>>78445
>"YOU HATE MOM"?

>It gets on my nerve.

To be fair, that was quite possibly the lowest blow she's ever delivered in the series. I thought it was pretty damn harsh.

>>78447
I think Spiritbending is just fine. The rock (if you're talking about the one that hit Aang in the back) is... well. I don't know. I would have honestly preferred something else unblocking the chakra, but it doesn't bother me that much. I cringed when I saw it happen the first time, though, since it looked pretty painful.

>>78364>>78408

I don't know about the other people posting here, but the "obsessed fans" as were now calling them I guess that I've personally encountered were also in the spoilers here...
>>78300
Anytime anything was posted in relation to jr, some of the comments explaining or defending the series always came off that way. But almost everyone is kind of obsessed there, so maybe that's not a good example, I don't know.

>>78448

I know she's flawed. That's what makes her a great, believable character.

What she did in TSR is a low blow, but the whole episode is about her learning to deal with her hate and grudges.

All the meme does is strip her of all the good things about her and ignore everything that came before and after.

>>78431
>Season 2 had the whole BSS plots going on for it

Huh?

>>78467

BSS = Ba Sing Se, they spent almost half the season there.

I have to be honest--season 3 is what made me into a hardcore ATLA fan. If the show had remained at the quality level of Season 2, in my opinion, I still would have liked it...but not loved it.

>>78440

If it wasn't apparent to you that Azula was sociopathic, manipulative monster from her first appearance than I gotta wonder what show you were watching. We first see her as an 11-year-old grinning in satisfaction as her father publicly mutilates her own brother for god's sake.

I really wish the show had developed Suki and Yue more.

>Fapped to Toph foot fetish porn

someone telling me and showing me pictures of toph's feet was wat 1st brought me to looking at the show. then i saw what an awesome show it was and watched all the episodes before and after and got sooo into it. but i've always felt a little twinge of guilt that what first got me to even check out avatar was purly pr0n related charges. but then again that guilt didn't stop me from practically beating my dick to death when azula's pedicure eventually happened. it's a mixed bag.

Huh. I gotta ask-not trying to make fun of you or anything--but what is it exactly about feet that you find so erotic? Foot fetishes have always been a curious mystery to me.

>>78484

that's like asking why do guys like breasts or why are some people gay? i don't know. either genetically there's something slightly different with the wires in my brain or the way chemicals are produced there, or some incident happened when i was very young or i was raised in a certain way. whatever the case, nature vs nurture, or maybe both, i just have a thing for feet, just like some guys like dark hair, and some guys like butts more than breasts, and some guys like other guys.

>>78484

I'll spoiler this because it may get sort of detailed for people put off by the whole thing.

Personally I get off on the domination aspect of it. Submitting yourself to the lowest part of a woman, being on the ground, and licking and suckling at her feet; then on top of that, they're a part of her body that produce her unique scent and sweat. Having to remove those with one's mouth and tongue is obviously quite degrading, yet somehow almost intimate in a way. Then any sexual pleasure the woman receives from it is mostly mental. Sure it may or may not feel good for her to have that done to her feet, but her feet aren't in and of themselves a sexual body part. She would mostly get off on the domination and worship, just as I would the humiliation. But again, that's all just me personally. Most of my sexual attraction to things has a strong mental component to it. Oddly enough, I also like dominating a woman just as much as I enjoy being dominated, but again, it's the mental part of it that I enjoy most. And then to take it even farther, I don't even need to dominate or be dominated to be sexually satisfied. Just the strong, loving, and inmate bond between myself and my girlfriend is enough for me when having sex. The point is, I do need to believe some base mental connection exists. I couldn't really just have one night stand with someone. I wouldn't get into that very well at all because there's really nothing there mentally. So I'm a real odd ball I suppose. And to complicate the answer your original question even more, there are other guys with foot fetishes that I've spoken to that, like the other respondent, that just like feet, and they don't know why.

Those were both really interesting responses, thanks!

>>78484
>>78489
If River's Feet are the eleventh character of Firefly, what are Toph's?

>>78506

Getting their own spin off on Nicktoons in the fall. "Toph's Feet: Dirt Covered Adventures."

>>78473

I second that.

>>78489

That's extreeeemly hot. (Female, love having my feet orally pleasured.)

>>78568

Uh, glad you enjoyed it. Heh. You'll never know the wonders it does for my self esteem to know there are females out there, or at least one such as yourself, that don't want to take torches and pitchforks to me for enjoying some slightly abnormal things.

>>78583

Hey dude, it ain't my thing either but if I cared enough about a guy that was into it I'd indulge him. I think a lot of people are like that, personally. :)

>>78568

>>78431
>I think Ozai was a bigger threat than Azula ever was, despite what /co/ would like to believe.

While I agree with most people that Azula is a more compelling villain/character, I have to second this.

Most people on /co/ are just too used to popularity power ruling.

>>78628

I haven't been in Avatar fandom for that long--people really believe Azula was the bigger threat? I mean, I LOVE her as a character but...no.

>>78636

Some people say she should've overthrown Ozai and become big bad.

>>78637
While that would of been a 'Fuck Yeah!' moment, she's a daddy's girl through and through.

Yeah, I can't ever, ever see Azula taking a stand against her dad like that. o_O Thanks for the info, though.

>>78637
Haha,HaHaHa,Haa.../No

Daddy would break her.

>>78644

Seriously.

She has more fight in her than Zuko, but Ozai won't give two fucks about that.

>>78644
I think it depends on who caught who off guard first.

>>78644

In an open confrontation certainty. But during the day of black sun both were firebendingless, and the Dai Li were loyal to her. I don't think it was unreasonable to predict that she might have them assassinate him and blame it on the avatar/earth kingdom resistance.

Now I never held that opinion. And from what we learned in the finale (that she genuinely does care for his approval) it's clear she never would have done it. But I don't think the people who held it were unreasonable.

>>78583

No problem. :) *Everyone* is slightly abnormal, anyway. In some respect. They just usually don't want to fess up to it. Kudos to you for airing your particular preferences so honestly, even if you *are* anon. ^^

(And it's nice that you're a switch, too. It's fun trying all sides of that experience.)

Hey, this clueless foot-loving femme anon wishes to know how to highlight text in these messages...help?

>>78665

Hi there, OP again here again. I just want to say thank you again anyway. From the way I see the majority of people look at and act toward others when they're honest about themselves, you'd think the majority of people didn't have an ounce of sexuality in their bodies, or really, even just plain open mindedness toward others that are different from themselves. Which is all just sad.

And to officially pay back your original compliment, I have to say, the fact that you love having your feet orally pleasured, is extreeeemly hot itself. So yeah, you rock.

And to make text appear in green or highlighted just copy paste it and put a ">" in front of it.

> Ooooo, look at my green-ness!

I never watched the series while it was on TV, I just happened to catch it while hanging around mogulus [aka livestream] channels years ago. I've been wanting to watch it again, but I have yet to do so

Also it pains me to say I'm more interested in porn of the series than the series itself

>>78644
>>Daddy would break her.
...ifyouknowwhatImean!

>>78706
Vaginal burn scars?

First feet and now incest? Come on, guys.

>>78708

What? You're the one talking about coming on guys.

>>78710
Touché, Anonymous. Touché.

>>78708
Speaking of Incest, after that episode with Zuko speaking with Azula in her bedchamber at the beginning.( wearing that robe) Kinda started liking the whole fires-cest thing....

>>78714

I don't see it.

I am so hot for zucest.

>>78724

I'm not hot for firecest of any kind unless it's Zuko/Ursa.

>>78723

Are you sure?

>>78733

I'm not >>78723, but I don't see it.

>>78734
Alright, if you guys say so.

>>78735

Most of the time, I have hard time believing that's even Azula.

>>78736

Make up is powerful tool, and at the same time, a powerful weapon.

>>78248
I think the general Toph as Rapist/Domme movement works well, even without the timeskip.

>>78477
I suppose there needs to be a distinction between 'Evil' and 'Damaged'. I did not thing Azula was anything but a full-blown sociopath until the finale where they pulled off the best and most convincing Woobification I have seen.

>>78636
A lot of it is because Azula came off as the more cunning/manipulative one (he could shut her down in a dirct confrontation, for now, backstabbing is a whole different story). A genuinely loyal Daddy's Girl, yes. But even if Ozai matched her brains he was too power-mad to use them much.

>>78714
Ayup. Azula using Zuko (and Mai, and Ty Lee) was something I never put past her. Not to mention the only one I could see her bottoming for is Ozai....

I have a hard time believing that Azula would fuck her brother, and that anything she did in that two-minute long scene in her bedroom could classify as her sexually wanting her brother instead of just messing with his head because she did everything so non-chalantly.

Her and her father is a different thing. But I still can't see that happening because he'd have a huge harem, and he doesn't seem to give two shits about her unless it's something she's done out in the war.

Inb4 it's because I have something against incestuous relationships. I don't, and I've actively shipped incest in different fandoms in the past.

>>78736 Makeup aside, her bangs are wrong. They're much too long just for that once scene, and that's what really throws everyone off. Her shoulder-length bangs are really iconic (much like Katara's hair loopies) and there's actually no way her hair could look the way it does in that scene unless she's wearing a wig.

...And yes, the makeup. XD I have to agree though, I felt like Azula was speaking through another person in that scene.

>>78760
I could see her wanting to fuck her brother to further fuck with his head.

>>78767

I suppose. I just can't see her wanting to literally fuck him, though. :/

>>78771
How about pretending to want to fuck him to fuck with his head? I think that works with the scene quite well.

Gaang Jr is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. "HURR we're friendz so all our kids will be friendz too."

Bullshit, I don't know a damn person who's found friends in the children of the friends of their parents. In fact, I for one can't stand the ones I know.

Also, Katara pisses me off for some reason. I think it's the various comments about her Mom.

>>78796

I have friends who were the kids of friends of my parents.

Dude, that's like the entire basis for Rugrats.

>>78796

> Katara pisses me off for some reason. I think it's the various comments about her Mom.

Sounds like a personal matter to me

>>78799
It's less about Freudian issues, and more stuff like that statement to Sokka about how he didn't love his dead mother like she did. Shit like that, and the fact that no one chastised her for it, made me want to punch her, and punch her, and punch her, and punch her, and punch her, and punch her, and punch her.

>>78800

... sheesh. Yes, it was immature and hurtful, but Katara is, in fact, a fourteen-year old. They are frequently immature and often say really nasty things without quite realizing how much those words are going to hurt.

I actually liked that moment, not because it was flattering to Katara (it sure wasn't), but because it was emotionally honest. Avatar is virtually the only cartoon I've ever seen to have genuinely, emotionally raw moments, and that was one of the most intense.

Katara's emotionally fucked up because she never had a change to properly mourn for her mother's death and move on. It makes her lash out at others, when she should probably be reaching out to them ...

>>78801
>Katara's emotionally fucked up because she never had a change to properly mourn for her mother's death and move on. It makes her lash out at others, when she should probably be reaching out to them ...

That's only half of it though. The one thing I don't think most people get about that scene is it's not anger or her sense of loss that driving her.

It's guilt.

She was the last person to see her mother alive... and she ran away.

Granted, what could she have done? Nothing really. She was child, she would have gotten killed if she tried, but imagine it from Katara's perspective.

She was there, in that Igloo. She stared her mother's murderer in the face. Saw him standing over her. Moments after she fled the Igloo (on her mothers command) her mother was dead... and she didn't do anything to stop it.

Can you imagine how many times she's played that scenario in her head. If I'd only done this, if I'd only done that. Every time piling more and more guilt on herself for not doing something.

Think about it. She's been carrying this unimaginable guilt around with her her whole life. Then Sokka chimes in and tells her she shouldn't go after the guy... WELL FUCK YOU SOKKA YOU'RE NOT THE ONE THAT GOT MOM KILLED, I DID!

That's what triggered her blow up. Not that she actually thought Sokka loved her mom any less.

>>78802
...

...
>Matt Thermo
...I am now google'ing you. I've never even imagined the scenario...
...You've got to be involved with this.

>>78804
Yeah, this. That was particularly and genuinely thought out and specific.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you say you've been through it y'self.

>>78802

>Granted, what could she have done? Nothing really. She was child, she would have gotten killed if she tried, but imagine it from Katara's perspective.

I agree. But I'd also like to add that when she went into the igloo with Hakoda, she was no doubt greeted by the sight of her mother's burning corpse. I get upset just thinking about what seeing something like that could do to any small child.

>>78806

You know, I've actually wondered how she died. He was unarmed, unless he had a knife on him somewhere and nothing was melted or burned, so he either those spikes on his bracers weren't for show or he strangled her.

Getting away from the morbid topic, I guess my confession is that I think of my fan-comic and it's events more than anything else, even the actual show.

>>78810
Wow.
I can see a 2D image in 3D.

>>78809

Oh now where's the fun in just strangling her, especially since Yan Rha's a Firebender. :b But seriously... I just assumed he probably knocked her unconscious then set her on fire just to scare the crap out of them. he seemed like he'd have a problem with mothers anyway since his own mother was so mean to him. I figured he went the extra mile. That's what people do on Law & Order. :b (Yeah, I think about Law & Order when I watch Avatar.)


>Getting away from the morbid topic, I guess my confession is that I think of my fan-comic and it's events more than anything else, even the actual show.

I think about the unwritten fanfic ideas I've had since 2006 more than I've thought about nearly anything that's ever been in the show.

>>78800
Okay, but did it also make you want to punch her ?

>>78814

Of course. I want to punch my mother all the time...

>>78801>>78802>>78806

Seconded

Hate when Katara gets hate because of it.

>>78800
It ticked me off too, but that still didn't make me want to punch out an emotionally scarred 14-year-old. Chill out.

>>78802
This explanation amazes me. That actually makes sense.

>>78806
>>78809
>>78812
I personally don't think he killed her by setting her on fire. For one thing, Katara said her mother "gave" the necklace to her, but she was still wearing it when Yon Rha killed her, so I assume the corpse was not badly damaged and therefore there was no fire involved, or if there was, it was a quick, direct, killing blast. The other thing is that to me, he's an evil, sinister man. I don't think he'd want to take the "easy" way of killing her just by burning her. Note that I'm not insinuating he was sadistic enough to torture her or something like that, but I think he'd want it to be more personal. He was obviously a sick man to be carrying out a mission like that to begin with And that's my two cents for now. This really is a morbid topic.

>>78796
I'm not a big Gaang Jr. fan, but I feel compelled to comment on this too.

>Bullshit, I don't know a damn person who's found friends in the children of the friends of their parents.
My siblings are friends with the kids of one of my mom's friends. When I was younger, I was briefly friends with the kids of one of my dad's friends. It's not that unlikely.

>In fact, I for one can't stand the ones I know.
Is there a reason for that?

>The other thing is that to me, he's an evil, sinister man. I don't think he'd want to take the "easy" way of killing her just by burning her.

You consider setting someone on fire to burn alive to be the "easy" way to kill them? What the fuck's the hard way?

>>78880

It IS easy for a firebender to just set someone on fire. It's just not an easy way to die.

>>78856
>Is there a reason for that?

I think it's fairly obvious from the tone of the post.

>>78278
I've asked myself "What would Aang do?" quite literally.

>>78239

It wasn't until just now I figured out why Zuko Washington is the opening pic for this thread. (I figured that counts as an embarrassing confession)

Has anyone been able to explain the Lionturtle beyond being a random plot device?

It appeared on a scroll and a few sculptures, but beyond that, was there any indication that it would essentially end the war at the last second by providing a nonlethal way of stopping Ozai?

>>78955
No, but if they told you that to begin with, it would kind of ruin the surprise, wouldn't it?

>>78956

Why would you write an entire story to end on a supri--

I SEE WHAT THEY DID THERE

>>78955
lionturtle was there since the pilot episode, so it's just as planned

>>78958

It was "there" in the sense that there was a statue in the background of the intro of the pilot that didn't air publicly. That doesn't explain anything as to what it was, where it came from, and why it decided to show up at the last second and conveniently provide Aang with a way to stop Ozai without killing him.

>>78950

OP here and dude, I just picked it 'cause I think it's a cool pic. But I'm now going to choose to believe it was a subconscious moment of genius on my part. 8D

>>78970

Technically, the Lionturtle as a character wasn't always there, Energybending was, though. Or at least, it was planned from the start that Aang would bust out some Avatar-only technique that would take Ozai's bending.

I suppose as a second confession, due to my habit of skimming and skipping details while reading, and I suppose being horny, the first time I read it, I actually thought (barring the ending) that the hideously titled "If You Bend It, They Will Cum" by Data Laughing was actually good.

Re-reading it, I begin to realize the problems that come along when you actually pay attention.

>>78977
>Technically, the Lionturtle as a character wasn't always there, Energybending was, though. Or at least, it was planned from the start that Aang would bust out some Avatar-only technique that would take Ozai's bending.
But that's not what anon's talking about, right? Energybending "was there" in the sense that it was a part of the planned ending from the beginning of development, but that doesn't mean "it was there" in the sense of hints about it actually shown during the series.

The Lionturtle/energybending thing doesn't suffer from a problem of the creators writing themselves into a corner and having to contrive something to get them out, it suffers from having this solution that -- to the audience -- has no precedent or foreshadowing. And foreshadowing doesn't mean having to spoil what Aang is going to do; they could have made an episode that acted like "The Avatar and the Fire Lord," except with mythic exposition about the time before the Avatar. Just mentioning beforehand what the Lionturtle said about bending the energy within people would help open the audience to the idea that manipulating bending itself was even a possibility.

Now that I think about it, I think one of the problems was that the entire explanation of energybending was told for the first time while energybending was being used, like the sort of "side character explaining an attack as it happens" you see in a lot of anime (and the problem with this sort of approach is that to the audience it can appear as if the combatants are making up the rules as they go). In the finale, the only thing we get from the Lionturtle beforehand is him touching Aang, green light shining, and him saying:
>The true mind can weather all the lies and illusions without being lost. The true heart can touch the poison of hatred without being harmed. Since beginningless time, darkness thrives in the void, but always yields to purifying light.
While this was meant to be cryptic, it's too cryptic and suggests nothing to the audience at this point about what's can possibly happen. The conversation before this "blessing" should have had Aang mention something about the Lionturtle being something from before the Avatar (it's something we can eventually piece together, but laying it out would help in establishing a set of "rules" from an "unfathomably ancient era"), and the Lionturtle saying something like what he says later:
>In the era before the Avatar, we bend not the elements, but the energy within ourselves.
This wouldn't give away Energybending to the audience, but it informs the audience that there's something "different" here, and that that "something" is a kind of meta-bending.

Since this thread is still here, I will bring up one pet peeve I had. Kyoshi Warrior make-up is impossibly long lasting, WTF? Suki jumps in the water to save Toph and that shit didn't even run! That kinda bothered me.

>>78979

>I think one of the problems was that the entire explanation of energybending was told for the first time while energybending was being used

Not even that - it just came out of nowhere and set up this entire history that we didn't get told about.

I'm cool with how it happened and that it did, but from a writing perspective...what the hell?

>>78984
When it comes to animated TV series you can put only so much detail into each frame.

>>78322

Same here, those names are terrible

I can't believe there are so many fans still griping about the lionturtle. I don't remember anyone bitching this much about Zuko and Aang learning the purest form of Firebending from the dragons, which I thought were cool but more out of nowhere than the lionturtle. I also don't remember hearing any complaints about the moon's mortal form being a koi fish, or a Panda spirit being able to turn into a rampaging monster, or a giant centipede-like spirit that can steal people's faces.

If they had shown even the slightest hint of Energybending before it was needed, do you think we'd have all that tension during Aang's battle with Ozai? When the Avatar State controls him and he's about to obliterate Ozai with all four types of bending at once, everyone would just shrug their shoulders, knowing he'd be fine. And if Aang even had the slightest notion about it before that day, would he have had to wrestle with his conscience and stress out over finding a way to save the world without breaking the moral code he holds sacred to his heart? It's a surprise and a twist yes, but in a world full of hybrid animals and magic kung-fu where fate plays a heavy role, it really isn't that much of a stretch.

>>79001

So what I'm hearing is "yes, it was a random plot device."

>>79001

I have to agree.

>>79001
But those "out of nowhere" things aren't quite the same. Aang learning the purest form of Firebending from the dragons isn't "out of nowhere" because the beginning of the episode explained clearly that dragons were the original Firebenders and that they taught Firebending to people -- and that Aang and Zuko were trying to find out about the original source of Firebending in this episode. Setting-related features like what the moon/ocean spirits look like, or what Hei Bai's natural form is, or whatever -- those aren't things out of nowhere because those deal with appearances and forms. In the same way, it's not out of nowhere for this ancient being which knows things from before the Avatar to be a lionturtle.

Make no mistake -- I'm not complaining about the lionturtle, and I don't think anyone else is (except for maybe how his voice was hard to understand in the show). What I'm at least complaining about is that Energybending, as nice as a concept it is, was presented in an "out of the blue" fashion. Unlike the question of "what does the moon spirit look like," this is something that's actually central to the plot.

I agree with you that it would have to be handled delicately in order to preserve the tension in the battle, but in my earlier post I thought I did an OK job of suggesting a way that wouldn't leave the entire explanation of Energybending to when it's being used for the first time, while not giving away what's going to happen beforehand.

I'm also really hurt that talking about this is nothing more than "bitching". :(

>>79020
Well, I liked your explanation. Buck up, chum.

>>79020
Cheer up, bro. I wasn't taking a shot at you, but the fandom in general. I guess I'm just defensive from seeing so many bawfests after the finale. Got to the point where I wanted to internet-face-punch the next person to use the term "Deus Ex Machina" to describe the lionturtle. I still stand by everything I said, though.

I'm taking a perverse pleasure in reading some of the summaries that just went up for the "Avatar Big Bang."

>A year after the Southern Water tribe Chief Hakoda left with his warriors to fight in the war, Fire Nation soldiers came to the village, demanding a hostage to take back to the Fire Nation capital. To save his sister, Sokka allows himself to be taken, and finds himself in the bed of the Firelord, playing his sex slave while plotting for the moment to make his mark in the war. He finds a possible ally in Zuko, shamed prince of the Fire Nation, who obsessed with Sokka might be the key to topple the powerful nation, and possibly end the war.

Delicious.

Honestly, SO MANY of the Big Bang summaries look fantastic. I'm really excited!

Yeah, tbf, a lot of them look like they'll be actually good rather than caraccidentcan'tlookaway good.

Wonder which ones will get art?

>>79573

The ones with Buttsex and Zutara, duh.

I figure the stories with the popular characters will get the artwork.

The roller derby ones sounds FUCKING AMAZING. A lot of them do, but that's the one I'm super excited for....the Yue one sounded creepy and interesting too. I'm really excited.

>>79579

I know the author for that one. Given their other works, you won't be disappointed.

I...I think I like Taang.

>>79761
Just put a "Ka" in front of that, and you'll be fine. Or take two doses of HIBY, you'll change your mind pretty quick. If not... well... I'm afraid there's nothing more we can do for you. Drink up. ZOMG, the colors are even orange and green! THIS IS PROOF-- sorry, channeling the wrong ship there.

>>79767

Another reason why I hate Zutara, it pretty much screwed up Taang. It can be a pretty enjoyable ship when it's not "We must throw Aang to Toph so Katara get with Zuko"

>>79770
TBH, I never saw any potential for Taang. The only person I can picture Aang with is Katara or Zuko. And Toph digs older guys, like Sokka and Zuko. But I agree, I wouldn't hate it as much if it wasn't used as a Zutara crutch.

The thing is, I'm also a HUUUGE Maiko fan. So I pretty much hate the Zutarians. And I do like Kataang! I think they're very sweet and I enjoyed all their scenes together. But Taang....just appeals to me a little more. It's weird, because in any fandom I'm in, I pretty much NEVER ship anything noncanon.

I think movie Iroh is so sexy... As soon as I came home from the movie I looked for pictures of him.

>>81136
Iroh is always sexy. There is nothing to be ashamed of.

>>81136
This. Also, dark Gyatso. Dude seemed so warm and friendly.

>>81209
I know! :D Maybe it was because it was the only times in the movie when things seemed lighter and less SRS, but the Gyatso parts were my favorite. He had a very expressive face and you could see he really cared about Aang.

>>81228
I totally wanted to hug him.

I love all forms of firecest. Though, Azula/Ozai abuse sex is my favorite.
I draw porn of it all the time.
Also, I am one of those annoying Tyzula fans that finds little things in the series in an attempt to prove that it's CANNON. I'm just like a Zutarian in that sense. Yes, I am ashamed.

>>81257
>Azula/Ozai abuse sex is my favorite.
>I draw porn of it all the time.
THIS IS BAD, YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD. >:[

>>81257
This is going to sound evil, but... plz post?

>>81284

>>81257
Wait, abuse which way?
Ozai abusing Azula is strict DO NOT WANT.
The other way around, though...It made me pause and consider if want. I'm still not sure.

I really, really, really fucking want to read a good high school AU fanfic. But only if the main ship is Tyzula.

It's gotten so pathetic that I have my own little snippets of this imaginary AU written out and hidden in a .jpg on my computer.

>>81257

Post pics. Post disclaimers. Let the chips fall where they may. I've seen some hot Ozula in the past. Specifically the one that he strokes lighting down her back.

I have written and plan to write Avatar fanfiction.

Some of it rather...adult.


(I'll post some sometime)

>>81321

Gasp! Heaven forfend! Such scandal!

>>81290
I get what you are saying, but Ozai seems to be the only person Azula would actually bottom to. OTOH even that seems more catastrophically dysfunctional consent than abuse beyond what is inherent in someone boning thier 14 year old daughter.

>>81290
Ozai abusing Azula. I love it. Especially the psychologically fucking up aspect of it. I wish I was good at writing. Then I would write a fic where Ozai diddles younger Azula one day after training when she's all too tired and beat up to fight back (in training bandages mmmmm). It would probs have Azula having rough derogatory sexy times with Tylee afterwards and Ty just taking it because she knows what Ozai does to Azula :(
Is it sad that I have thought this through so much?
Am I a bad person?
>>81315
I would, but I've drawfagged here before and I don't want people recognizing me haha.

>>81368

...Someone write this. *_*

>>81290

I am always in favor of Ozai getting molested by his kids (namely Azula). I could make you want it. I could write fag it.

>>81368

Hell yeah. It's just like Ozai to Gary Oak your ass.

>>81315
>>81368
>>81369
>>81387

I like to pretend that had Aang not froze himself in time, but rather lived his life normally, he would have died about 17 years before the current events of the show, and the next Avatar would have been Sokka.

>>81436

There was a fic with that exact premise. He goes to learn Airbending from Aang's kids and grankids. The world at least not at war, they'd have been screwed otherwise. He still hates bending, too.

>>81478
Got a link?

Ooh, I remember something else I used to think.

Back during season 1 and early season 2, before they killed off Jet, I thought they were gonna make some twist that he was actually could do a little firebending, and had just repressed that HE was actually the one who set the fire that killed his family.

>>82292
Jet: No! I have to kill the Firebenders!
Dai Li: No, Jet, you are the Firebenders.

And then Jet was an hero. :(

This isn't really a confession about the show as it is the fandom, but I for one have never understood the obsession many fans have with "what happened to Zuko's mom?". It's true it was sort of a lame cliffhanger, but I'm not waiting on the edge of my seat for a resolution, nor do I get people saying how they want a special or series dealing with the question. I never expected it to be anything bigger than Ozai finally telling Zuko where she is, Zuko goes to get her, teary-eyed reunion, and that's it -- nothing sufficient for anything more than a passing mention.

>>83253
To me, it just left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm also admittedly a Zuko fan. I didn't expect the series to be 100% wrapped up with a neat little bow, but I was looking forward to seeing some things like Zuko finding his mom and maybe Toph having another heart-to-heart with her parents. And didn't they sort of hype the fact that Zuko would go looking for his mom in season three? When I saw him leaving in the trailer, that's what I thought he was doing instead of going to join the Gaang. It also doesn't help that Zuko had that fever dream where she was in danger. I think it would bother me less if it weren't for that scene, even if it was just a dream.

>Fapped to Toph foot fetish porn?
Um, actually it was Azula, but...um.

>>83940

Yes?

>>83963
Yes. I don't even have a foot fetish(I think???), but...Damn. I don't even know what makes that so hot.

>>78724

Totally.

I hate Gunsmoke's artwork.

He draws well, colors beautifully. But I hate it. I hate how the girls are greased up and look so ... they looked used despite being so on model. I hate how it's so soulless. I hate how empty it feels.

-I- feel greasy and creeped out when I look at his work.

>>84003

>Implying that looking at Avatar 34 isn't creepy otherwise

>>84003
I really dislike the way he draws nipples. I don't know why, it just bothers me.

>>84009
Sez who?

>>84088
Anyone who isn't a pedo, maybe

>>84003

Oh, it is fucking creepy. I'm tolerable when artists age up the characters but Gunsmoke does not. And the reason why I point him out is due to the fact everyone here on +/a/, /co/, and LJ are in love with him.

I have friends who have NO qualms in showing me Gunsmokes art and making icons of it. Usually SFW icons, but icons none the less. They have NO idea how disturbed I am at that.

>>84003
That's interesting, because I have that same problem with "soulless" art commonly found in 34, and I love Gunsmoke's work because he seems to breathe life into it. My only complaint is that I wish he drew pubic hair on his girls, but I guess that's a matter of preference.

>>84089
People like you need to stay the hell out of these issues. The people fapping to this shit aren't doing it because the characters are underage. But even then, let's look at it like this. Avatar aired in 2005 and it's 2010 now, putting all the main characters within the grounds of non-pedo.

>>78322
WHO THE FUCK IS GAANG JR.!?

Gunsmoke is gone anyway, so no need to worry about it anymore.

>>84089
Will someone think of the fake cartoon kids!!

>>84089
What
>>84116
said. I don't fap to Azula because she's 15 or whatever, I fap because I can see her being savagely dominant. She wouldn't care if she hurt you in the process.

>>84108
I agree with this. Most 34 turns the characters into brainless, soulless sex machines. His sex machines at least have some personality.

I've always hated Zuko and was one of the only people I remember at the time who was happy that, instead of joining up with the Gaang like everyone expected, he royally fucked up everything at Ba Sing Se. I thought maybe for once my most hated character archetype, pic related, would get what was coming to them instead of derpderp redemption all your previous bullshit is forgiven.

>>84395
Yeah Zuko and Sasuke couldn't be more different. That's actually my biggest problem with the Zutarians for example, they seem to think that Zuko is Sasuke as well. They are nothing at all alike.

>>84397
Yeah Avatar and Naruto couldn't be more different cartoons. That's actually my biggest problem with the Narutards for example, they seem to think that Avatar is like Naruto as well. They are nothing at all alike.

>>84421
...I've never even made a comparison until this post, or seen anyone make a comparison, but...
Hyperactive orange-clad logic-defying protagonist.
Sometimes-nice-sometimes-huge-bitch love interest chick who gains MAGICAL HEALING POWERS OOOO.
Fire-oriented prettyboy with family issues, who starts out on one side then very suddenly joins the other, which a very powerful old man has been encouraging him to do the whole time...

Wowzers. I know I'm years late on this, but I just blew my own mind.
Sage for idiocy.

>>84426
Despite the coincidences, Narutards comparing ATLA to Naruto are being superficial. It's like they were saying Avatar is a ripping off Harry Potter because there's magic in both!

Then again, the weeaboo herd is known for being superficial to offensive levels as a modus vivendi. facepalm.jpg

I just hate comparisons between Zuko and Sasuke, Sasuke is an unlikable emo asshole who shits up the manga every time he is in it.( not to mention borderline Gary-Stu with all sorts of plot hax) Zuko is actually is a likable character ( except for when he is used in a Zutara story see HIBY, why do Zutarians always portray Zuko as such a douche bag anyway? I that the kind of guy they are into IRL?) who starts out a bit of an asshole but becomes less and less of one as the series progresses. He is pretty much the complete opposite of Sasuke.

I thought the comparison of Avatar to Pokemon held more water.

I'm wondering... how many Zutards ship "SasuSaku" as well, huh?