Now I feel horribly awkward because I got into Pokemon two years ago with SoulSilver.

Hi guys, new to this particular board here.
Don't know a great deal about non-gen 1 stuff, but I remember seeing an unidentifiable ghost in gen 3 and liking the gen 1 version better. I don't mean to say gen 1 is better or anything, but I just remember this simple, smiling ghost creeping me out more.
I remember finding them confusing, too. Like, were they the ghosts of pokemon? Why wasn't the mother Marowak a ghost type? And so on and so forth.

>>25416
I have to agree. Not to also sound like an idiot, but the Gen I ghost was more...intimidating, I guess? Because it looks smokier or something?

>>25417
For me, it's that it's smiling and has a vague shape, despite being unidentifiable. I remember it evoked in me a sort of Lovecraftian fear of the unknown/things our minds can't comprehend since you can't tell what it is, and the sinister smile made it seem like they had some kind of malicious intent.
I confess I haven't played FireRed or LeafGreen, but I read that you can hear the cry of the ghost as whatever pokemon it would appear as if it were unmasked, while the smiling ghost doesn't have a cry, keeping it obscured in mystery.
Again, like the posters before me, it's not my intention to be a nostalgiafag, and perhaps it's not my place to judge as someone who hasn't played FireRed/LeafGreen, but I think the gen 1 unIDable ghosts were a little cooler than these ones.

>>25418
I can subscribe to that...

For me there's just something about gen 1 & 2... maybe it's the nostalgia factor, or the graphics or something, but it's just... special. Fire Red and Leaf Green just didn't capture the same feel as the original. It's pure and simple. No EV's or IV's. No held items. No Dark and Steel. 8-bit music. Cheesy sometimes questionable dialog. Glitches galore. Fewer moves; it all just works and it's beautiful.

>>25421
There were EVs and IVs in Gen 1. In fact, since they hadn't implemented the same caps in Gen 1 that they have now, EVs and IVs were way more intense than they are now--EVs could go all the way up to 65535, and were calculated by adding the base stats of the Pokemon you defeated to the respective EVs.

>>25421
>8-bit music
This is a game changer for me.
I despised the music in III, and somewhat sense then.
It sounds all kinds of hokey. I & II are up there with other great game music.

>>25416
Its the monochrome.
And also the fact that you probably played it when you were 6 or 7.

>>25424
More like 12.
Now I feel old.

>>25422
I did not know that at all...
Now that I've got my batteries replaced in Red and Crystal I guess I need to find some gameshark codes that increase the EXP earned on wins.

Stadium... I am going to rape you.

>>25401
>>25426
Huh. Forgive my incompetence when it comes to game cartridges, but gen 1 games had internal batteries that needed to be replaced? I heard gen 2 games did as they had an internal clock, and the battery would die after a number of years, but my Red version must be close to 14 years old and it saves perfectly fine.

>>25427
Same here. I never knew about internal batteries at all. Even for gen II! Wow, the more you know huh.

>>25427
>>25428
Doesn't the on-cartridge RAM need power or else it goes blank? So...if the battery runs out, the cart would still work but it wouldn't be able to save your game.

>>25429
>if the battery runs out, the cart would still work but it wouldn't be able to save your game
This is correct. Replacing the internal battery on the cartridge will allow you to save games again. If the internal battery goes dead, say goodby to your save file and any new game saves you might try and make until it's replaced.

>>25429
>>25430
How long do they typically last?
My gen 1 games still save fine. I read that gen 2 cartridges normally can save up to around 8 years or so. Maybe that's because of the internal clock being used?

>>25433
That damn clock had issues. Like that one glitch with RSE where after so long you can't access certain features (like Shoal Cave I think?) because the clock doesn't work properly any more?

>>25434
Oh man I just thought that was a horrible glitch when that happened to me.

>>25425
Heh, I was being generous cos I played it when I was 5.

>>25436
Thanks, I feel even older now.

Anyway, did anyone else like the artwork styles in Red/Blue that kind of strayed from the conventional designs that are used in the show and the other games?

They have this kind of retro-charm for me.

>>25437
They have this "rough" look about them, like they're fresh off the concept art sheet.
Which I guess they are.
Was also creeped out by Golbat's exaggerated elongated face.

Machoke's face looks like it belongs on a Sifl and Olly puppet.

HOW ABOUT I SLAP YOUR SHIT

Look at this chubby li'l bastard
I love him

Remember how awesome gen I hyper beam was?
Pokemon Moves #1 - Hyper Beam …

Also, how's the Red playthrough going OP?

>>25477
I dunno, I think gen II has more impact. I mean, it sounds like the whole audio is about to explode with a shattering sound and the added effect of screen shake.

>>25478
Agreed.
They were both pretty epic. I miss that crazy awesome sound effect they used and the contrast made by the screen turning black.

>>25437
I think gen I Dratini is its cutest incarnation. But that's just me.

>>25477
OP here.

Sorry, didn't know anyone would give a ratatta's ass (sorry for that).
Going through pretty smoothly. It's pretty embarrassing that I can still remember where some hidden items are and that I can navigate Rock Tunnel without needing a map...
So far my team is Wartortle, Nidorina, Pikachu, Gloom, and Hypno. Currently working on 4th badge, team around level 27.

Figured I would use some different pokemon this time around, save Pikachu. Gloom's been a boss and I'm glad I stuck with Drowzee, Hypno's cleaning up very nicely despite his shit move-pool. Currently saving all my TM's until I can MISSINGNO. them because holy fuck the move selection and most of the TM's are junk... and for some reason I find that slightly charming.
Also making a concerned effort this game to catch them all for once.


>>25478
I can pretty much tell you that Gen 2 fixed so many things that where wrong in Gen 1... it really feels like an expansion and I'm hyped as shit to play Crystal again eventually. Especially after some of the terrible management utilities in Red, you really get to appreciate all the time and attention that went into Gen 2.

>>25422
Formerly obsessive but uneducated player here.
I don't have a great deal of knowledge of how EVs and IVs work, especially in gen I, other than "beat pokemon with high stats to gain high stats."
I recall reading somewhere that you could max out a pokemon's stats by defeating 600-something Mews.
A few years back I tried this with gameshark over a long period of time. I'm fairly certain I defeated more than the 600-something needed, but when I switched to fighting Mewtwos out of curiosity I found that my stats increased more upon leveling. Does that mean that my stats weren't actually capped when the source I read said they would be?

Because I always forget...

>Physical:
Normal
Fighting
Poison
Ground
Flying
Bug
Rock
Ghost
Steel

>Special:
Fire
Water
Electric
Grass
Ice
Psychic
Dragon
Dark

OP here
Still have yet to face the 4th gym. High-tailed it to the Safari Zone to try and find my 6th and final bro. Currently torn between Kangaskhan and an old school faithful, Snorlax.
What do?

>>25545
Pinsir.

>>25545
Between those two? Snorlax. More bang and bulk for your buck.

>>25546
I can't even get him in Red

>>25547
Yep, those two. Pretty much my thoughts too. Khan... man I want to like her, but she really is just a less bulky, weaker Snorlax with a shorter movepool. Depressing really. Lax it is.

Growlithe? Or maybe Dratini?
Though raising them might be too much work.

I remember thinking that Growlithe was a cat the first time I saw one.

>>25555
Dratini can't take advantage of STAB in that generation, what with the only Dragon attack being the set-damage Dragon Rage.

Also, it depends on whether you want Fire Blast on Dragonite or Arcanine. Growlithe gets Flamethrower at 50, and he can make due with that if you want a Fire attack on your Dragonite.

>>25555
I thought about Growlithe, but he's pretty horrible in Gen 1 given his extremely limited movepool.
As for Dratini, the only dragon I've ever raised was a Flygon in gen three and given how slow they usually are to level in tune with my hatred of excessive grinding, I'm not sure how well that would work out.

OP, you have inspired me to do the same.

Quick question: when gym leaders hand over a badge they say will increase your pokemon's stats, do they add EV points?

>>25568
I was never quite sure what happened with that stuff. It sounds logical that they would do it like that.
I remember checking my Pokemon's stats when I was young after I got a badge that said that and being disappointed and confused when their stats didn't change.

OP here
Finally got some more time to play. Added the Lax to my team and did a little grinding to get the rest of my team to level 30.
Erika is going to get hardfucked and soon.

Is it weird that playing Pokemon as a kid meant I never became afraid of bats or bugs? Yes, wild Zubat were annoying, as were a lot of Bug-types, but I believed that the more annoying a Pokemon was, the more I absolutely needed it in my party so I could annoy other trainers.

>>25583
>That feel when you haven't had any time to really sit down and do anything for over a week.

>>25584
How old were you? Did you not have any exposure to bats or bugs before pokemon?
I personally have never had a problem with them. Some people are just more squeamish or have been otherwise conditioned to be afraid of things.

>>25437
Always thought Red/Blue Tentecruel was kinda badass.

>>25615
"Guess how many fucks I give. Go ahead, guess."

>>25615
I didn't have any exposure to bats irl before Pokemon (though there's not many opportunities to see them irl in general), but I never had an issue with spiders or insects. I was about seven when I first played Pokemon, I think? Between Pokemon, Spider-Man, Batman, and a lot of Animal Planet, I never got why my friends were batshit (pardon the pun) terrified of them or thought they were gross. They're beautiful and interesting creatures.

OP here:
My GBA klunked out a few weeks ago so I've been without a retro pokemon fix. Luckily my new roommate has an N64, Gameboy adaptor and a copy of the original Pokemon Stadium. This when mixed with an old tube TV I found by the dumpsters (the things has amazing picture quality) I'll be getting at that pretty soon.
Might post my 'set up' if you guys are interested.

>>25742
Sure, why not. How far have you gotten?

>>25438
Now that I think about it, I think the Yellow sprites look "rougher" to me than the Red/Blue. Despite being in color and using the more conventional designs, a lot of their artwork and poses don't seem as up to par with R/B. I guess R/B was more "artistically pleasing" to me.

>>25826
I think Pokemon is one of the best examples of a person's art getting better over the years, although I think if I had to draw 100+ new 'mons, plus tweaked designs for a bunch of old ones every couple of years, improvement would be inevitable.

Updates in technology certainly help (although I'd forego 3-D graphics in the next game if I could just have a damn second save slot already).

>>25826
R/B's sprites were very dynamic, as opposed to the posing animals that were in every other generation.
Look at how in your face that fucking Machamp is. Machamp has never looked that intimidating. He's more muscular in his Yellow sprite, but he's like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Sure he's big, but he just doesn't look threatening, at all.
Same is true for a lot of the original sprites; they're just more "real," despite their lacking quality.

>>25828
Sorry, I just don't see it.

>>25831
don't apologize like a bitch, you didn't do anything wrong and it's not bad of you to be speaking, just say what you want to say, goddamn

>>25832
Someone's in a mood

Gen 1 had the best music. Maybe it is just because I played the shit out of it compared to all the other generations, but I struggle to remember most songs from the other games. Like, holy shit, the gym leader theme from Gen 1 was perfect. The Crank Yankers theme that played in some of the caves, such a mysterious sound that was just perfect.

Honestly, Gen 1 has some of my favorite game music of all time.

>>25865
I liked a lot of the music, too. I thought Lavender Town was calming, to be honest, not creepy (which is why none of the related creepypasta was scary).

OP/ Red guy here.

Sorry for the lack of updates. I had to move and also I lost my Red cartridge. I found my GBA though... so I fired up my copy of Crystal and decided to do something "interesting". I'll be going through the game using only pokemon I have never trained before and/or only pokemon usually considered "bad".

I just beat the first gym and all of my Pokemon are around level 10 save two; right now here's what I have access to:
Cindiquil (Party)
Poliwag (Party)
Bellsprout (Party)
Raratta (Party)
Beedrill (Party)
EGG (Party)
Eckens (Box)
Spinerak (Box)
Ladyba (Box)

Trouble is, I have a ton of poison types and bug types I really want to use, but obviously that won't work; so between Beedrill, Spinerak, and Ekens... what do?

>>26458
Anyone?
Please?

>>26458
Are you against leveling up the bad pokemon if their final forms are really good?

Because if not I'd just hold out for a Zubat and eventually turn it into a Crobat. Zubat sucks to train, no doubt about it, but Crobat has always done really well for me.

>>26474
I use Zubat all the time actually so I'm avoiding using one in this play through.

>>26476
>>26474
For all the shit Zubat gets, it's one of my standbys.

I always love Poison, Confusion, Burn, all the asshole techniques that do extra damage.

>>26477
Poison and Electric are my favorite types. Love status conditions. Unfortunately though I almost always get my ass handed to me on a silver platter on-line because I don't spend days on days competitively breeding and EV grinding. I just want to have a nice fun casual game from time to time. Maybe XY will be different, but I doubt it.


In any case, I think I'll go with Ekens simply due to how cataclysmically terrible it is in this game. This is gunna hurt.

>>26478
In-game or sims? In-game really needs more easy to use ways of getting competitive, at least to take on the Battle ____s. There's vitamins, but they're capped at 100 points. I think BW2 had some kind of place where you could spend money on stat ups which would be good except you had to grind that out too.

Honestly, EV training doesn't take very long at all if you get Pokerus and a Macho Brace. And Pokerus is really easy to get now that there's online trading.

>>26479
XY seems like it's adding a lot of tools to help people be competitive. Egg moves and breeding will always be a load of horse shit though.

>>26480
Because you never get screwed and always have access to one of Nintendos super specific wifi options right?

Nah, if you want something done right you go to a McDonnalds or something and log in then use a GTS hack to get shit done. Stats, moves, EVs and all. Problem solved.

Why are people complaining about EV training when IV breeding is a million times worse?

>>26483
I just lump them together, except you have so little control over IVs I don't even bother.

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