Surprisingly, there's few decent porn of Sue x Namor

Even less of Sue x T'Challa, though both of these pairings are somewhat canon

All this thread does is remind me that there is no good on character stuff of Sue out there.

I've been inspired to do some lewd writings on the subject of Sue/T'Challa, but I'm unsure what sort of tone to go for. There's a whole range of possibilities between "two consenting adults mutually attracted to each other have a fulfilling relationship" and "lonely housewife makes up for inattentive husband by getting hardcore fucking from muscular superhero".

So I'd like to ask and see what sort of tone would be best appreciated for these lewd writings, and if anyone has any suggestions for content I'd be fine with that too.

>>153020
Hi, I see you found the thread. So, let's see what stories/angles are possible here.

>"two consenting adults mutually attracted to each other have a fulfilling relationship"
Heh, as you described it sounds pretty bland, but it actually isn't. Because they aren't just generic "consenting adults", they're Sue and T'Challa. And try as you might, you can't get rid of several traits intrinsic to them. The question is, how and why is it happening?
>"lonely housewife makes up for inattentive husband by getting hardcore fucking from muscular superhero"
I guess the "Reed is an inattentive jerk" angle would be present in any Sue-related story in some way, if only for the reason that Reed is a major part of Sue's life. However, this angle may be downplayed or emphasized, depending on the story. As for T'Challa being a "muscular hero"... he sure is, but he has a more complex personality.

The reason why I personally like this pairing, is that it's not just hot sexual fetish-wise, it could actually work as a relationship. The two characters are just compatible. T'Challa is the mysterious and powerful ruler, confident and a bit arrogant, not shy to show his interest in her – exactly the type that seems to fascinates Sue (e.g., Namor). At the same time, he's not as childish, impulsive or violent as Namor (the traits that always led to Sue declining Namor's advances). Plus, he's also an intelligent guy (a scientist, an inventor, and a crafty politician and stratege) – and we know Sue loves these traits in a man, too (e.g., Reed). But compared to Reed, T'Challa (while not exactly having his genius-level intellect: T'Challa is ~8th most intelligent person in the MU – which isn't bad in itself, – Reed is 1st or maybe 2nd) is much more down-to-earth and less distant and self-absorbed.
At the same time, Sue could be the person T'Challa lacks in his life. He's often alone and struggling against many odds, Sue could offer him support and care the way she's shown to be capable of. Sue never lets her ego clash with her man's – instead she knows how to softly manipulate him into doing what she thinks is better. She's also known to defend her loved ones against various threats – that would be very valuable in the intrigue-filled world of Wakandan court politics.
Plus, there's that animalistic mutual attraction between the two, that was shown in MK4 (with Sue admitting for her it's stronger than her attraction to Namor).

As for the stories, there may be several scenarios:
>Continuation of the MK4 story
What if Sue and T'Challa gave in to their feelings, and all that buildup led to the logical conclusion? The end may still be the same, but with Sue and T'Challa more satisfied and happy
>Inattentive husband, Sue turns to T'Challa for some excitement
This may be a lighter story about a lighthearted cheating affair, maybe some fun scenes including a clueless Reed, and not much more
>Reed does something very asshole-ish, Sue leaves him for T'Challa (maybe temporarily)
Reed is often known to do some fucked-up things (e.g., shooting a depowering ray at Franklin, building Clone Thor, supporting the Negative Zone prison, etc), which usually causes Sue to get angry at him and even leave him (at least temporarily). We can imagine a similar event, which may be related to Wakanda in some way, which leads to Sue leaving Reed for T'Challa, temporarily or even permanently.
>Sue is just a huge slut
Finally, it can be a rather OOC story where Sue is a much more morally dubious person, and decides to fuck T'Challa because why not. While OOC for Sue, the story could be sexy and fun.

What kind of story are you more inclined to tell?

P.S.: Reposting the Sue x T'Challa doodles from /i/

>>153033
Ah, it wasn't my intent to make it sound boring, believe me I know there's a story in almost everything. I think I was just really fucking worn out after a long day, so maybe some of my irritability was seeping in there. All I wanted to do was present the two "ends" of the story spectrum: actual romantic development, and porn-without-plot.

Trust me, I know what you mean when you say it could work as a relationship, I agree on all those points: T'Challa has a lot in common with what Sue canonically finds attractive in Reed. He's mature, intelligent - basically all what you said.

Scenario-wise I was definitely thinking of setting it in Wakanda - I'm pretty sure I read the MK4 story a while ago but can't remember the specifics, if it's a much more recent issue then I suppose I haven't read it at all and I'm misremembering a different comic. In any case, something about setting it on T'Challa's home ground, rather than the Baxter Building, seems stronger from a narrativistic point of view.

Lighthearted lewd romp might be my strongest suit as a writer, anything too heavy is probably going to detract from the fun of having two superheroes goin' at it. My initial thought was that Reed goes off to look at Wakandan science, leaving Sue by herself after shooting down her ideas for an activity that would appeal to her. That leaves T'Challa free to entertain, flirt, and eventually get hot and heavy with her... and perhaps requiring her to use her powers when Reed comes back a little early.

Slut Sue probably has more options open when it comes to the lewd act itself, because it's not that easy to write rational reasons for sloppy facials and stuff like that. Although I would like to see Sue taking a facial from T'Challa, so that's not entirely off the table.

Besides that, my main intent is to have T'Challa make a joke at some point that he thought it was Reed who did all the stretching, ba-dum-tsh. Only with snappier delivery, obviously.

>>153038
>I'm pretty sure I read the MK4 story a while ago but can't remember the specifics
It's Marvel Knights 4 #21, "Desperate Housewife". Basically, it's set when the FF first meet with BP. Sue starts feeling that instinctive attraction during their first battle. Then the FF and BP become allies, and BP invites them to spend some time as his guests. Of course, Reed immediately immerses himself in Wakandan science, and ignores Sue (whom he has married, like, several months ago – and since they didn't have a honeymoon after the wedding, this visit could be treated as their honeymoon!). Meanwhile, Sue is wandering at night and hears BP playing the piano, which again makes her a bit aroused. They go for a walk, and BP offers a swim in a lake. Sue didn't have a swimsuit, so they go skinnydipping. They flirt while swimming naked in a distance of a kiss from each other's naked bodies, but then BP has a bout of remorse and stops the whole thing. Later Sue admits to her friends that she thought about cheating with BP a lot, much more than about Namor, but she's married to Reed and thus will always be faithful to him.
As you see, it has much in common with your ideas. There could be two way you could go from there:
>a) A "What If?.." – what if BP and Sue didn't stop and the lake scene led to its logical conclusion?
>b) The FF return to Wakanda years later, and Sue and BP remember their first meeting. Due to Reed being Reed again, Sue decides that a little fun on the side, for old time's sake, wouldn't hurt.

I'm totally okay with the "lighthearted lewd romp" idea... and in fact, you could get a bit of "slut Sue" in there, too. Let's imagine that Sue has a wild sexual side, deep inside her, repressed by all the years living as a prim and proper wife and mother. So the one time she lets herself stray a bit off her moral compass, she unleashes her naughty slutty side with T'Challa. She knows this could be her only chance in years, so she wants T'Challa to have all kinds of lewd sex with her.

>>153039
Cannot seem to find a torrent or download of that issue, or even that run. How annoying, I would have liked to have read it firsthand. Still, that's a concise summary and I'm leaning towards option A because you phrased it as a What If and I fuckin' love What Ifs.

Having Sue get all kinds of freaky like she's never allowed herself to do so before, because she's thinking of it as a one-off fling, is interesting for two reasons. First off - I get to write about T'Challa giving her an Africa-sized messy facial, awesome. Second, though, it opens up the possibility for a developing storyline. Sequels, if you will. Sue could really get interested in pursuing a longer, more solid relationship with T'Challa if every time they got together they did the lewdest of things.

P.S. you should do more Sue x T'Challa doodles in /i/, the ones you did were fapworthy.

>>153043
Here, you can read the T'Challa-related part of the issue: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?206920-Black-Panther-Appreciation/page214

I agree with your choice and the points you make. And if there's a sequel, it could be option b). Can't wait to read the story!

>P.S. you should do more Sue x T'Challa doodles in /i/, the ones you did were fapworthy.
Thanks! I'll try to draw more. I usually post only those that don't turn out to be complete shit haha

Honestly, the only time I have found Sue attractive is when they made this statue of her, the proportions are weird, but yet hot in a way.

I think playing the MILF part of her would be the best way to go about it.

>>153062
indeed, I've found her quite attractive those times she was weirdly flirting with Peter. Heh, wonder if Spock would have acted upon those flirtations and blew his cover, or would she have accepted, its a thought.

Really, no mention of her extremely slutty costume from the 90s?

Hell, what about her Malice persona, when she went full on bondage?

It would be interesting to see her trying to fit into that old get up after having had a few kids, it would work with the whole MILF thing for sure, Sue trying to relive her youth perhaps.

>>153067
oh '90s Sue where she was really rankling under Reeds not paying her attention and started acting out. with the peek window suit and stuff.

I think I like the "desperate housewife" idea the best, just overall the sexiest.

Reed like always does something extremely dickish and she leaves him, at least for a while, she then goes and visits BP. While in Wakanda she cuts loose and tries to feel young again, maybe while unconsciously trying to get back at Reed she eventually seduces BP, and thus getting completely wrecked in bed, letting/making him do all the things to her that she would usually find too vulgar when with Reed. I mean, I'm talking at least anal here. So yeah, years of sexual represion or maybe just the monotony of married life getting the best of her, shades of Malice resurfacing when her lust reaches it's peak.

What started as a one night stand or an impulse fling develops into much more, eventually causing her to fall for him, really becoming addicted to his vigor. The sex still being incredibly sensual/passionate, I'm thinking even really rough and lewd at times, but true feelings now being a huge part of it, an actual relationship forming. Like someone said, strong animalistic mutual attraction being at the core, while their personalities also being in synch. I mean, there is definite compatibility between them.

What I don't know is where in continuity it should take place, I mean, would she have kids at this point? Hell, it might even make it all the more taboo and hot for her, the fact that she is a mother, and yet is getting the pounding of her life by someone other than her husband...or maybe then ex-husband? I think that could be an interesting juxtaposition, Reed dealing with the kids, while Sue is on the other side of planet opening new doors to her sexuality.

Definitely play around with the "milf" angle, especially since she could have gotten curvier after having kids and thus might feel somewhat self conscious sometimes. Also, I think the older woman thing works for her, she has that really homely vibe while still sexy.

>>153062
Yeah, Sue's like the only pretty-looking superheroine who is usually _desexualized_ by artists, instead of _sexualizing_ her (like they do with all other heroines). Well, the 90s boob window aside, of course. It's like most of them try to portray her as bland-looking as possible. Dunno why they do that. Maybe it's because her original costume was unsexualized (it was in-universe designed by Sue herself!), or maybe because they want her to look "wholesome" (though why can't a moral and wholesome wife and mother look hot?).

>>153064
I've heard there was an issue where SpOck interacted with the FF, didn't read it though so I dunno how that played out. SpOck isn't actually very seduce-happy, despite what /co/ thinks. My bet is, he would probably totally ignore her feminine charms (being more interested in Reed's science), which may make her suspicious. And if SpOck were interested in Sue, he'd be too rude and obnoxious in his flirting, alienating and maybe even angering her. After all, he has all the arrogance and immaturity of Namor, combined with all the emotional insensitivity of Reed – the exact traits Sue doesn't like.

>>153067
Didn't Sue already wear that costume after she had her kids (Franklin, at least)? I agree, it would look hot on a voluptuous MILFtastic body... hm... you may have just given me an idea hehe

Anyway, yeah, it would be fun to include in the story (the continuation, of course, since MK4 itself takes place before the boob window costume or Malice ever existed). Maybe with Reed and others Sue pretends she completely forgot about that costume, and hates it. But for T'Challa, she will wear it (maybe even give him a fantastic boob job through that 4-shaped boob window?). As for Malice, it may resurface after Sue lets herself loose with T'Challa (maybe after several strong orgasms). T'Challa may be terrified at first, but then, their sex becomes even more kinky.

Btw, I'm not the writefriend (I'm the /i/ drawfag actually), so it's just my own ideas here. Writefriend, I'd like to hear your opinion on all this!

>>153073
>Reed like always does something extremely dickish and she leaves him, at least for a while, she then goes and visits BP. While in Wakanda she cuts loose and tries to feel young again, maybe while unconsciously trying to get back at Reed she eventually seduces BP, and thus getting completely wrecked in bed, letting/making him do all the things to her that she would usually find too vulgar when with Reed. I mean, I'm talking at least anal here. So yeah, years of sexual represion or maybe just the monotony of married life getting the best of her, shades of Malice resurfacing when her lust reaches it's peak.
>What started as a one night stand or an impulse fling develops into much more, eventually causing her to fall for him, really becoming addicted to his vigor. The sex still being incredibly sensual/passionate, I'm thinking even really rough and lewd at times, but true feelings now being a huge part of it, an actual relationship forming. Like someone said, strong animalistic mutual attraction being at the core, while their personalities also being in synch. I mean, there is definite compatibility between them.
Totally agreed with this. If the writefriend agrees, this could work well as the plot for part 2 (part 1 being the "what if" continuation of MK4 #21).

>Hell, it might even make it all the more taboo and hot for her, the fact that she is a mother, and yet is getting the pounding of her life by someone other than her husband...
I personally support this. For me, the taboo-ness of a supposedly prim and proper wife and mother unleashing her inner slut, makes it all the hotter.
As for believability, well, let's say she planned for it to be just a wild night out, maybe to get back on Reed and relieve her stress. It's not her fault a night turned into a weekend, a weekend into a week, a week into a month...

>or maybe then ex-husband?
I think they shouldn't divorce. If we're playing the "lighthearted playful romp" angle, this would allow for both including the cheating fetish, and avoiding a generally dark and serious thing like divorce.

>and thus might feel somewhat self conscious sometimes.
Hm, an interesting idea, I bet T'Challa has some ways to ensure her she's still sexy haha

>she has that really homely vibe while still sexy.
>homely
Dude, she used to be a Hollywood actress (not many people remember this). She married Reed when she was in her twenties, and Franklin is ~5-7 years old. So, she's a 27-35-something former actress who can still pull off a skintight bodysuit. Nothing "homely" about this, bro

Also, some ideas.

- As with the actress thing, few people remember that Sue is an amateur costume designer. It was Sue who designed the FF uniforms. And judging by their timeless popularity, Sue is actually a talented designer (unlike, say, Cyclops). She's also known to modify the uniforms from time to time. What if, to please T'Challa, she designs a sexy costume for herself, and wears it for him as a surprise? E.g., it might be African-themed

- There was a point in the 90s, where Sue was attacked by a villain who has a power to exaggerate your deepest desire. Picrelated is what happened. Sue basically admitted, in front of her husband and kids no less, that her deepest desire is to be Namor's fuckslut. And she did it while turned into a voluptuous bikini-clad Atlantean vixen. May be good for a Namor-centric lewd story (for a change).

>>153088
Yeah, I was not thinking ugly, I guess I was just using the definition with the "home" aspect of it. So yeah, more like wholesome or traditional kind of girl, you know the potential wife type.

It might just be that I have almost never read stories of when she was just Invisible Girl, it's been a while since she has been single and not playing the mom role to so degree.

Writefriend here! I may have to start posting under a name if this gets any more confusing, but it's really good to see so much enthusiasm for the super secret project, such as it is.

Malice I'm personally not a huge fan of, always seemed kind of a cheap gimmick to me, but if there's demand for it I might work it in somehow. I'd rather keep evil split personalities out of it, though.

In keeping with the lighthearted spirit of the thing, and because I kind of like the concept myself, Reed and Sue should still be "together" but not actually together. Reed's just so occupied with SCIENCE and PROGRESS that he's completely oblivious to the fact that Sue's finding happiness with T'Challa. Sort of like a Venture Bros. kind of deal, now that I think about it.

So there may be moments where he walks in on Sue, and she's got a mouthful of Black Panther cum (and has hastily turned T'Challa invisible) and he asks her some questions while she does her best to answer without actually opening her mouth. But Reed's off in a world of his own and doesn't pay any attention to what she's saying (or not saying) and breezes out again after finding some piece of technology he'd left lying about the place.

The idea of it being Sue who's the one asking for anal, deepthroat, facials, and all that depraved, lewd behaviour... makes it all the more fun for me. Makes a big change from the usual "Big Black Cock" generic plotline, although T'Challa is definitely going to be hung like crazy. He's peak human, after all, and has a connection to the Panther God. What deity would allow their mortal representative to go around without a suitably mighty endowment?

If we're going by the whole "What If" scenario, then canonically Sue has not had kids during their first encounter with T'Challa. However if this is more a sort of "ongoing" story than a one-off, I could do "chapters" spaced apart over the course of things, including MILF-tier Sue later in life. The real question would be... would Franklin and Valeria end up being mixed race?

Oh, and speaking of alternate costumes, they ran this teaser back when they were doing the "new Black Panther" story arc.

>>153091
Ah, I see, that "wholesome" look is actually why imagining her do all those lewd things is twice as hot

>>153092
>So there may be moments where he walks in on Sue, and she's got a mouthful of Black Panther cum (and has hastily turned T'Challa invisible) and he asks her some questions while she does her best to answer without actually opening her mouth. But Reed's off in a world of his own and doesn't pay any attention to what she's saying (or not saying) and breezes out again after finding some piece of technology he'd left lying about the place.
Heh, that's both fun and hot (just imagining Sue trying to talk with her mouth full of cum... unf), and there can be so many lewd uses for Sue's various powers! This concept really seems like a lewd story goldmine
>The idea of it being Sue who's the one asking for anal, deepthroat, facials, and all that depraved, lewd behaviour... makes it all the more fun for me. Makes a big change from the usual "Big Black Cock" generic plotline
It's not that big of a change, if you think about it. In many such stories, women tend to become horny sluts after getting an initial treatment of interracial loving. So, Sue may have been an innocent wife, but her encounter with T'Challa starts the process of unleashing her inner slut.
And btw, if you followed that link I posted and read the MK4 story, you may notice that in that story, Sue is actually the hornier part of this pairing (though of course T'Challa doesn't mind to say the least), and it is T'Challa who has to stop her in the lake scene. So it's actually canon, in a way.
>although T'Challa is definitely going to be hung like crazy. He's peak human, after all, and has a connection to the Panther God. What deity would allow their mortal representative to go around without a suitably mighty endowment?
Hm, that's actually a good in-universe explanation of T'Challa having an oversized porn cock. It's believable (fertility plays a large part in many African cults), and dodges the usual raceplay present in similar scenarios
>However if this is more a sort of "ongoing" story than a one-off, I could do "chapters" spaced apart over the course of things, including MILF-tier Sue later in life.
That would be great! If you want to, of course
>The real question would be... would Franklin and Valeria end up being mixed race?
Dunno... that's too "alternate universe" I think. Reminds me of that AU where Sue is married to Black Namor (yes, it's canon). To me, it's more hot if it sounds like what could be happening in the 616 universe, behind the scenes. Because if we look at all the AUs, Sue has fucked almost the whole Marvel Universe in them (Ben, Doom, Spidey, Namor, Black Namor, Wolverine, Havok, etc), so it's kind of an expected thing, it's not as taboo
>pic
Yeah, I remember that. Of course, as most such teasers, it was a lie that was never meant to be, but it kept me thinking... why did the editors choose Sue (among others)? Is there an editor at Marvel who believes in the possibility of a Sue x T'Challa pairing?..

>>153092
The kids should definitely still be Reed's, Sue still having a family with him and all that. But at the same time having a secret relationship with T'Challa that could have lasted years, maybe going all the way back to that MK issue. And yes, her relationship with him is much more one of passion and lust, meaning she indeed likes to get a lot freakier, asking him to do to her what she just doesn't do with Reed.

So yeah, Venture Brothers like in that Reed is too invested into his work that he doesn't notice or possibly even care that his wife is fucking another duded on the side, double life and all that.

And while I did mentioned "shades of Malice", I don't want her to go evil or anything like that, but perhaps certain more vulgar aspects of that persona could resurface a bit, while not really changing her personality. It could be something subconscious, or maybe she just thinks about it while getting banged to enhanced the experience, or the whole affair just reminds her of when she was not so well behaved and acts on it, embracing the sexy elements of Malice but not evilness.

>>153097
Yeah, keep the race factor present, but not just make it about that. They are both interesting characters that are compatible in their own right, the fact that they have different ethnic backgrounds just makes it more interesting and sexy.

Also, I think its possible to make it work pretty close to regular canon without needing to go too much into the whole AU, as long as the relationship is something that she had kept secret and discreet.

>>153097
>Heh, that's both fun and hot (just imagining Sue trying to talk with her mouth full of cum... unf), and there can be so many lewd uses for Sue's various powers! This concept really seems like a lewd story goldmine

I try my best! Sex should be fun, and physical comedy with a sexy element can be great. Especially if it's one of those unrealistic, so-much-the-cheeks-bulge loads that's just ever-so-slightly leaking out of her lips as she struggles to hold it all in. It's a comic book universe, after all, things always have this element of unrealism to them.

Sue's powers have indeed given me quite a few other ideas, but let's not count T'Challa out either on that score. There's very few comic book substances with a name as sexually suggestive as "vibranium".

>It's not that big of a change, if you think about it. In many such stories, women tend to become horny sluts after getting an initial treatment of interracial loving.

Often when I've seen it done, it's been a case of the women ending up being possessed by this sort of madness (dare I say... jungle fever) where they end up slavishly devoted to anyone with a big black cock. Maybe I'm just reading substandard stories/comics, who knows.

>Hm, that's actually a good in-universe explanation of T'Challa having an oversized porn cock. It's believable (fertility plays a large part in many African cults), and dodges the usual raceplay present in similar scenarios

When the raceplay goes to extremes it honestly just gets kind of dehumanizing as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I like a little taboo, but sometimes it just gets insulting. Not to mention cheesy.

Although I did have a bit of an idea on that score involving T'Challa, Sue, and Emma Frost... but blatantly screwing another woman in front of Sue doesn't seem like it'd fit the theme.

Maybe as a one-off, who knows.

>That would be great! If you want to, of course

Might take me a while, sadly enough writing isn't just a hobby for me, it's a career. In fact there are times when I will want to spend my free time doing anything BUT writing. Usually only around deadline season, though.

You've already done me three pictures, though, so I think it's only fair I pay you back with some top-quality lewd writing.

>>153098
>The kids should definitely still be Reed's, Sue still having a family with him and all that.

Point taken, it'd probably be a bit too obvious for Reed if his kids were brown. I'd kind of consider Johnny, Ben, and maybe even T'Challa to be more doting parental figures than this particular version of Reed, though. In my mind I'm just taking the constant "I only have time for SCIENCE!" nature of his earliest incarnation (and the obvious parodies) and taking it to its logical conclusion.

>"shades of Malice"

Well as long as I don't have to include the terrible costume, that's fine.

>>153101
Agreed on the dehumanizing factor, its a tricky thing, this apply to both T'Challa and Sue though.

I mean, you can take it too far with the race but also with the "slut" aspect, to the point that the characters don't feel like characters anymore, and instead more like a really bad stereotype.

I think its totally possible to have a story about an unfaithful wife living out her most wild sexual fantasies with an African King in the most kinky/lewd/depraved scenarios, while still making them feel like people. Not necessary characters with the most integrity or morals, but still actual characters.

I know that I said that Sue should be keeping her extramarital relationship on the down-low, but since Malice and also the fact that she is a costume designer are being mention, I think it would be interesting and even sexy if she designs a new costume for her that reflects her affair with Black Panther and possibly her past persona.

It would probably need to be pretty subtle for the rest of the team not to notice it however, maybe she also designing new costumes for them that reflect the typical Fantastic Four team dynamic, but at the same time her own costume being different the rest.

Just something I though about, maybe her costume is more revealing than usual, using more blacks, being tighter, with some feline and bondage aesthetics. She could even use the old excuse about female superheroes costumes to her favor, and thus getting away with showing plenty of skin. I mean, it would be nothing new for her, except maybe the Black Panther elements.

I don't know, the concept of Sue playing around with the idea of wanting to get caught could be trilling for her, so subtle hints referencing her lover on her new costume while parading around in front of her husband might really excite her.

>>153101
>Especially if it's one of those unrealistic, so-much-the-cheeks-bulge loads that's just ever-so-slightly leaking out of her lips as she struggles to hold it all in. It's a comic book universe, after all, things always have this element of unrealism to them.
Yeah, sometimes exaggerating things like this makes the scene funnier and hotter, that's true.
>There's very few comic book substances with a name as sexually suggestive as "vibranium".
And of course, T'Challa being a talented inventor, he could find many ways to use it to please Sue
>Often when I've seen it done, it's been a case of the women ending up being possessed by this sort of madness (dare I say... jungle fever) where they end up slavishly devoted to anyone with a big black cock.
In my opinion, it's also part of the whole raceplay thing. In the case of our scenario, Sue could just gradually unleash her own inner horny side. So, she won't magically change her personality, but rather discover and unleash what's already there. So, no "I'm a slave to all big black cocks", no "hahaha I'm a mindless slut now", but rather an intelligent, strong-willed woman having a self-discovery with the help of a magnificent lover.
>Emma Frost
Sorry, but why? It's my personal opinion, of course, but dude, she's one of the least likeable characters in the Marvel Universe. And that's counting Alpha.
>Might take me a while, sadly enough writing isn't just a hobby for me, it's a career. In fact there are times when I will want to spend my free time doing anything BUT writing. Usually only around deadline season, though.
>You've already done me three pictures, though, so I think it's only fair I pay you back with some top-quality lewd writing.
Oh, I completely understand. Do it at your own pace. And please, don't feel indebted to me or anything like that – I draw all these doodles for myself as much as for you or all the anons out there. I don't want you to force your stories, take all the time you need.
>Well as long as I don't have to include the terrible costume, that's fine.
This one, or the black BDSM-like one?

>>153104
>I mean, you can take it too far with the race but also with the "slut" aspect, to the point that the characters don't feel like characters anymore, and instead more like a really bad stereotype.
Well, as I said earlier in this post, the "slut" aspects may be treated as Sue's deep secret desires. She can't act on them in her normal life, so she unleashes this hidden side of herself with T'Challa

>>153105
I definitely like your idea (dunno about the writefriend, though). Definitely like it. The "playing with almost getting caught" thing is so hot.

As for the costume, it could even go without any black/BDSM/cat parts. Maybe have her declare an interest in African culture (which may be actually true – her relationship with T'Challa making her interested in Wakanda's culture and traditions), nobody thinks nothing of it of course, and when she redesigns her costume to include more African-themed elements (which would at the same time work as BP-themed) everybody just thinks it's because of her new interest.

Pic semi-related, it's from a recent /co/ trollthread

>>153106
Yeah, I like that, the deep seeded desires coming out when finding a good lover, and the fact that she will be "slutty" but in her own terms, coming to the realization that she really loves to get kinky with T'Challa.

I guess it would be like the liberation or explosion of all those feelings she denies herself because of what is usually expected of Sue when she is the Invisible Woman and wife, so when she is at Wakanda or with Black Panther she lets that part of her personality come out at full force, being far more sexual than usual as a result.

>>153106
>And of course, T'Challa being a talented inventor, he could find many ways to use it to please Sue

"The louder you are, the more it vibrates."

>Sorry, but why? It's my personal opinion, of course, but dude, she's one of the least likeable characters in the Marvel Universe. And that's counting Alpha.

Ah, well, you know how it is: an idea pops into your head and it just won't go away. The basic plotline was that Emma Frost catches a telepathic glimpse from Sue of complete sexual satisfaction, and is inquisitive and abrasive enough to pressure Sue into revealing who exactly it was who gave her such a good time.

Sue takes her to T'Challa, Emma proceeds to start chattering on and on until T'Challa unzips and releases the pride of Wakanda, which stuns her into silence. Cue some sort of "the only way anyone's ever shut up Emma Frost for more than five minutes" joke involving stuffing it down her throat and the rest more-or-less writes itself.

So it was basically based around the premise that she is unlikeable, rather than attempting to say otherwise.

>Oh, I completely understand. Do it at your own pace. And please, don't feel indebted to me or anything like that – I draw all these doodles for myself as much as for you or all the anons out there. I don't want you to force your stories, take all the time you need.

Not so much a debt as... feeling like I need to give a little back to the community, such as it is. Plus I could do with more practice writing filthy things.

Nice new work, by the way, it's giving me scene ideas.

>This one, or the black BDSM-like one?

The BDSM one. The 4-shaped boob window is cheesy and ridiculous, but I have nothing much against it. Especially not for the sake of lewd writings, because like I said, it's giving me ideas. Messy ones.

>>153107
I got to say, that whole "interest in African culture" excuse would work wonderful, it would allow her to be far more blatant in her clothes and even the amount of contact she can be having with T'Challa. Maybe she even convinces Reed that she needs to take "personal classes" from T'Challa about Wakanda, and how she plans to improve the relationship between his nation and theirs.

She could also make the the Panther aesthetics more abstract though, so that is not so obvious at first glance and so that Reed doesn't quite suspects as much.

>>153107
Alternatively, on the subject of costumes, Sue could take on a second hero persona. Like with the "new Black Panther" image, except with her face covered so nobody knows it's her running around with Panther. Sort of like a disguise in plain sight.

>>153113
Susan Storm, American ambassador to Wakanda. Furthering diplomatic relations every day by engaging in sexual relations every night.

>>153116
Ha, I love it.

>>153107
Thats a great costume too, bare back I suppose?

>>153114
Nah, I think the focus should be on Sue keeping the balance between life as a Superhero and mother and being a sexual creature with Black Panther.

>>153109
I don't think I like Emma getting involved, it would start to get complicated, but who knows, you might make it work.

>>153109
>Emma Frost plotline
Hm... I actually like that one, despite it featuring Emma Frost. If it's a self-contained story, it could end in Namor barging in and seeing both women he tried to seduce teaming up on his enemy's Royal Scepter.
>Not so much a debt as... feeling like I need to give a little back to the community, such as it is. Plus I could do with more practice writing filthy things.
>Nice new work, by the way, it's giving me scene ideas.
Ah, I see. I often feel that way, too. Thank you for your kind words! And btw, is there any place I can read some of your lewd writings? Or non-lewd ones, for that matter
>like I said, it's giving me ideas. Messy ones.
Mmm, I already like it

>>153113
Heh, yeah, I think there could be many potential plot uses for the "interest in Wakandan culture" premise

>>153114
Hm, it may work in the context of a single story, I think, but not a permanent fixture

>>153116
I also think this could work in a sinle story, but not as a permanent fixture. Because if such things become permanent fixtures, they're deviate the story into AU territory
>>153117
>Thats a great costume too, bare back I suppose?
Thanks, heh, probably, it was just a silly troll thread, so I whipped it up in like 5 seconds using someone else's drawing as basis. Though if I'd decided to design it seriously, yeah, a bare back with a bit of ass cleavage is definitely a must

>>153119
>bare back with a bit of ass cleavage
This I have to see, especially if she got the more typical MILFy body.

>>153118
>Ah, I see. I often feel that way, too. Thank you for your kind words! And btw, is there any place I can read some of your lewd writings? Or non-lewd ones, for that matter

I'd really, really, really rather not connect what I'm doing here to what I write for a living. I am a children's author.

I'll try and rustle up a sort of "first part" of the Sue/T'Challa story relatively soon so you can gauge my competence at lewd writings, though.

>>153121
Haha, I see. Would never think of judging you or anything, we all have some skeletons in our closets, bro
>>153120
Hm, maybe I'll try to draw it, dunno

>>153121
Looking forward to whatever you can come up with.

I don't think an epic or anything like that is needed, but some small vignettes would be wonderful, especially if each of them take place in different parts of their lives, assuming that the whole "secret long affair" is something you are interested in.

Perhaps the first one taking place in that MK issue, and others after she had kids and the like, maybe even one where the idea of her new costume comes to be and how it represents the embracing of her "inner slut".

But yeah, whatever you want to do, and of course nothing that might compromise your job.

Believe it or not I really, genuinely, honestly enjoy writing all-ages, wholesome fiction about high adventures in lands of whimsy and/or enchantment. I just also happen to have a lewd streak a mile wide and get off on stuff like delectable blonde MILFs getting pounded by foot-long cocks thicker than their wrists.

I'd sooner pull an Ernest Hemmingway than end up like Piers Anthony, though, so there's no way in fuck that anything lewd that I do is going to wind up even being connected to my work.

Not that I'm going to be able to stop you guys from rule-34ing the fuck out of my work if it ever becomes popular, mind.

>>153128
I personally think it's totally reasonable that a writer can do completely different things, and find interest in both. A lot of children's authors or artists have done serious adult, or even lewd work. Though you're right, it's best to prevent these parts of your art from ever connecting.
What I meant to ask the first time is, have you ever posted online any of your lewd "delectable blonde MILFs getting pounded by foot-long cocks thicker than their wrists" stories? I don't question your competence in any way, I'm just curious, since we seem to have some overlap in our smut tastes

>>153129
Most of my lewd work's been commissions and none of them have really lined up with my personal tastes. Although I've never had a single complaint about my portrayal of the various subject matters I have been writing about, I've never really done anything "for myself". Until I decided to do this on a whim, anyway.

Not counting ERP, I suppose.

>>153152
Ah, then it's two times more interesting to see, what you come up with now that you're writing what you like!

On the subject of costumes, see picrelated and here:
http://marvel-microheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Invisible_Girl_(Susan_Storm_Richards)
http://marvel-microheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Invisible_Woman_(Susan_Storm-Richards)
Sue has really changed her costume a lot, especially in recent years. In-universe, it was established back in the Kirby years: e.g., once Sue redesigned her costume to a miniskirted one, to make Reed pay more attention to her (it's not on picrelated, but it's there on the microheroes site). Note that, while pretending it's just a random redesign, Sue actually did this with the secret goal of pleasing/attracting her man.
So, I think the costume redesign subplot could be pretty much IC for Sue.

Btw, a page about our African friend: http://marvel-microheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Panther_(T'Challa)

>>153090
>- There was a point in the 90s, where Sue was attacked by a villain who has a power to exaggerate your deepest desire. Picrelated is what happened. Sue basically admitted, in front of her husband and kids no less, that her deepest desire is to be Namor's fuckslut. And she did it while turned into a voluptuous bikini-clad Atlantean vixen. May be good for a Namor-centric lewd story (for a change).
Sue's biography is actually full of kinky shit like that. E.g., the Brides of Set storyline (picrelated), where Sue was among other heroines stolen and mind-controlled by an evil serpent god to give birth to his offspring. I swear, there must've been a lot of closet perverts on Marvel's editorial board

>>153156
>I swear, there must've been a lot of closet perverts on Marvel's editorial board

Closet? More like open perverts.

Isn't it part of the thing that Franklin uses his reality bending to keep them a happy family nowadays.

>>153157
I wonder, how do I get on Marvel's editorial board?..

>>153158
I thought Franklin controlled only some events, like Valeria's extremely convoluted birth. If we assume his control of the First Family is bigger than that, it would mean he's behind a lot of kinky things that happened to Sue, as well – and that is just wrong, even by Marvel standards (though they're the people who got Ms.Marvel raped and impregnated by her own son, so who knows...)

>>153154
Yeah, I like the costume idea more and more.

It should be pretty sexy yet regal, something fitting of a consort.

>>153163

It shouldn't show up until later in the story, as part of a gradual process, but I'm not averse to more art being made of it. Or anything at all relating to this pairing.

Been spending much of Sunday so far sketching out how I want to start the first chapter of this. Basing it off the MK4 comic in question is good, but I'm wondering if I want to kick things off at the skinny dipping section or find some way to move the action to somewhere less open, like T'Challa's or Sue's rooms.

>>153164
Foreplay could start there, maybe she just gives a handjob and then they take it to a room?

>>153163
Ha, just ONE costume? That's not the Sue I know! Judging by her comic appearances, she loves creating costumes for various occasions. So, e.g., she could create a) a Wakanda-themed version of the FF uniform (for that kinky "almost-getting-caught" feeling) b) an official "consort to T'Challa" uniform which she wears while "an ambassador" in Wakanda c) one or several sexy costumes that she wears for T'Challa in the bedroom, etc

>>153166
I like where you are going with this

>>153164
>It shouldn't show up until later in the story, as part of a gradual process, but I'm not averse to more art being made of it. Or anything at all relating to this pairing.
Heh, I get your hint! I'll try to draw more Sue x BP soon (maybe some sexy costumed Sue, dunno yet)

>but I'm wondering if I want to kick things off at the skinny dipping section or find some way to move the action to somewhere less open, like T'Challa's or Sue's rooms.
I think the tension that is there in the original comic's lake scene should definitely have some resolution. But then again, having them spend the whole story in the water is kind of weird...
How about this? The tension in the lake results in a kiss, then in some heavy petting, then Sue reaches for his cock (she is shocked by the size of it, but as it's under water, she doesn't quite believe her touch without seeing it)... But then they have some second thoughts, and break it up, almost like in the comic, and decide to get dressed and pretend nothing has happened. BP walks Sue to her apartment, and they're about to say good night, but the passion they had just felt in the lake, makes them feel that mutual attraction again... They kiss passionately, and not before long, T'Challa is carrying Sue in his arms into his apartment instead. And there, the story continues...
What do you think?

>>153168
Basically, the point of divergence is that they didn't stop in the lake in the last moment, but rather had kissed and touched each other. Nothing serious yet, but it had planted some unresolved passion inside them that just had to be resolved

>>153168
>What do you think?

It's a good point, I'm not certain that's the exact direction I'll take it but it has given me a few solid ideas on how to move things to "dry land".

Mainly I'd like to have them indoors in T'Challa's palace somewhere because I'd like to do the "Reed walks in on Sue while she has a mouthful of cum" scene in this first chapter.

>>153172
That could happen in many different places. They could do it in Sue's room, and Reed walks in when he decides to check up on his wife (the most OOC moment in the whole story haha). They could do it in BP's apartments, and Reed walks in wanting to discuss some science stuff (and Sue has to bullshit her way out of why she's in BP's room, in the addition to the cum in her mouth). They could just be very impatient and decide to do it in one of the palace's halls, and Reed walks in on them when he decides to take a walk (BP is able to spot his arrival early due to heightened panther senses).

>>153175
...Or it could even be all three, for a comedic running gag!

>>153166
I'm thinking the consort clothes could be incredibly revealing, like maybe she might even be nude with the exception of some fur/feather coat and conveniently place jewelry. Maybe even Princess Leia inspired, but far more kinky.

Something like what Hera wear in the New 52 perhaps, very classical but at the same time she is for all intent and purposes nude.

I guess it all depends on how well she can convince Reed that she is simply adopting Wakanda's diplomatic customs while playing the role of an ambassador, and how much is she willing to degrade herself with her lover in front of her husband, as a major turn-on for her. Maybe she makes a good argument that those clothes represent that as an ambassador or official guest of Wakanda she carries no weapons, you know something like that.

I mean, if she is really playing the game of "almost wanting to get caught" here, she could even make those "clothes" the clothes that she always wears while in BP's house/embassy even if her husband is present. Sue walking around basically naked, in front of T'Challa, his servants, and her own husband.

She can perform specific "rituals", like one where she takes the cloak off and kneels in front on BP, all while Reed is watching. Hell, she can even insist in sitting next to T'Challa during diner to pay her respects, just so she can give him a handjob under the table, again all while sitting in font of her husband.

There is a lot you can do with this concept, as long she can be very VERY convincing with Reed on the whole "cultural exchange" excuse, and she is willing to risk everything to get her thrills.

>>153187
You could always just based it on something that Frank Frazetta would have come up with, that goes for Sue's proportions as well.

>>153187
That all sounds very interesting and hot... again, don't know what the writefriend thinks, of course
As for the costume, your description reminded me of picrelated... but more African-themed and with more nudity or transparent parts.

>>153191
Man, Sue sure likes to dress slutty from time to time.

But yeah, it could be transparent, a bit revealing, or maybe even going all native all leaving nothing to the imagination.

Point is that she should look classy but also slutty somehow, I guess it would be nothing new to her judging by that pic.

Writefriend here. Honestly when it comes to costumes I always feel that less is more. But I mean that in the completely opposite manner to "so much nudity".

Besides the fact that clothed sex turns me on, there's something to be said about wearing just enough to be on display while still having enough that you can be stripped down. Naked is fun, don't get me wrong, but wearing an outfit doesn't automatically make it a nun's habit.

From my perspective I don't want to be taking the easy out of having going around nearly-nude. I really like the ambassador/consort idea, it adds to the whole power-play dynamic of T'Challa being a king and Sue exploring a submissive/yielding side to her sexuality. But if all she has to do to strip before "her king" is to take off a cloak, then I think it's just making that act of willing surrender into something far too easy.

The right outfit would blend the sort of... "super science" look of the Fantastic Four with copious amounts of Wakandan/Panther imagery, to say "what you thought was yours has been subverted and now belongs to me" on T'Challa's behalf.

>>153107
This one I really liked, although perhaps with some high boot/stockings like the nineties boobwindow costume? Maybe also with a boobwindow, gotta have that fine cleavage on display for repeated servings of Black Panther cream.

Although I guess that's mainly what her mouth is for...

>>153194
Yeah, maybe is too on the nose, I just though it would be something that would make their relationship a bit more kinky.

>>153194
Just to represent my opinion, I don't think there's necessarily a contradiction between these two things. It's just two different kinks, two different ways of submission, of proving her devotion to her secret lover.
The first way, is to subtly change her official costume, and you described the thought process behind it very spot-on. It could be something akin to >>153107 (argh! it was just a quick mock-up with almost no thought going behind it haha), a combination of the FF uniform (which she devoted to Reed when she designed it) and elements of the BP costume or Wakandan culture (secretly changing the devotion to T'Challa). The thrill of declaring her cheating ways in plain view etc
The second way, is to present herself as obeying the laws of the powerful king, in front of her husband who is just a guest there. The shock of her husband seeing her present herself almost naked to the king, and being unable to do anything about it. The thrill of feeling her husband's conflicted emotions, and the brazenness of this act and of her almost nudity, and her lover's power
Both are hot, both have their own time and place

As for clothed sex, I'm very glad it turns you on, since it turns me on, too. Would be great if you included lots of it in your writing!

>>153196
P.S.: I can't draw Reed to save my life haha

>>153194
>high boot/stockings like the nineties boobwindow costume? Maybe also with a boobwindow
Your description made me think of this...

Anyway, how about instead of boob window, she gets a v-neck of sorts that plunges all the way down to the top of pussy mount?

I mean, something like this, but even lower, same goes for the back so that it gives her that ass-cleavage people were talking about.

Hell, the v-neck can have the shape of a stylized panther head instead of a lightning bolt, it could be pretty be stylish.

>>153196
Yeah, I loving your description of the whole psychological process behind her "submission" and the thrill of almost getting caught, as well as that pic, pretty hot despite being just a sketch.

I don't think it diminish their relationship, only makes it more exciting frankly.

>>153196
That pic reminds me of Chel...you have made this a thousand times more sexy now

And then covert Atlantis team invaded and took Sue "prisoner". Would Victor ever get in on this action? Part of Sue's emerging kink being with rulers of nations and later planets and systems. Setting up being "captured" by dictators and space tyrants, rescued by other leaders and being really affectionately grateful.

Thought you'd like a read
http://gunwildversuseverything.tumblr.com/post/42018772034/ac120-sue-storm-2013jan30-via-request

>>153196

Points taken. Although with how oblivious and inattentive Reed can be, I think she'd have to be on her knees blowing the king in front of him for him to start to suspect that maybe these tribal customs are a bit off.

I guess I was slightly biased considering that the "ambassador" costume (mixing BP with FF) gave me an idea for a really good running gag that'd help with the lightheartedness of the piece: the only person who recognizes that Sue is getting it on with T'Challa is perennial FF villain Moleman, and he keeps saying so blatantly even though nobody believes him. However that depends on how much you guys (the audience) want the suspicion angle included.

As for that last thing, are you my long-lost lewd evil twin or something?

>>153198

Livewire/Superman is one of my favourite pairings as well (even though I've given up on DC since the new52 debacle), so you're definitely convincing me that thigh-high boots is a good idea.

>>153200

Oh, that loincloth thing she wears in the film, with the exposed hips all the way up to her waist... now there's a good look. Especially on Sue, who's equally as top-heavy.

>>153217

Oh, and as an addendum to my post here, there's one other costume that could be used as a source of inspiration when it comes to Sue's ambassador look, pic related.

I'm confused, I though the embassador costume was the see through one, and the Black Panther inspired her new regular superhero one.

Anyway, that's all way down the line, first lets see if anything can get started.

>>153220

I was personally using the term "ambassador" to refer to her public outfit, and "consort" to refer to her more risqué one. Sorry for any confusion.

>>153199
>>153200
Thank you!
>>153198
>>153200
>>153218
Points taken, will see what I can cook up
>>153205
Dunno about Namor... I mean, he was so overused as "Sue's secret love" in the 90-00s (and yes, not many people realise it, but the whole "Sue being secretly attracted to Namor" thing was mainly a product of those late decades – before then, their meetings were rare, and they mostly consisted Namor acting like a creepy rapist, and Sue being utterly not interested)... And frankly, there's so much of the Sue x T'Challa relationship to explore
As for Doom... I just can't imagine him in any sexual scenario, sorry. Doom is one of those characters, for me, who embodies the feeling of childhood. He's so child-like – not "childish", mind you, but an epitome of what a child considers "awesome". He's like Judge Dredd. He does not care for your adult drama, and sex, and psychological nuance. All he cares is world domination! and dark magic spells! and robots! and a giant castle! And that's why I like him. Historically, Doom stole Sue several times, but he only did that to get back to that pesky Richards. Unlike Namor, and some other FF villains, I don't remember him making any advances to her. That's because Doom doesn't care about stupid girls and their cooties, he wants to destroy Riiiiiiichards!!! Let's keep him that way.
>>153212
Hehe, I knew there had to be people who liked that silly suit – if only because it was their first /co/-related boner

>>153217
>with how oblivious and inattentive Reed can be, I think she'd have to be on her knees blowing the king in front of him for him to start to suspect that maybe these tribal customs are a bit off.
Lol that'd be a bit too much, I think
>costumes
As I said earlier, why limit it to only 1-2 costumes? Sue loves to wear sexy clothes (designed either by her or by famous designers), that was a hobby that was established back in the Kirby era. In this story concept, she could have several new costumes created for different occasions:
1. The FF/BP costume, a redesign of her old costume officially created because of her newfound interest in African/Wakandan culture
2. The "ambassador" costume, a classy but sexy outfit worn on official events. Created for T'Challa, but not revealing, just classy/sexy.
3. The "consort" costume, again not revealing, worn on official events. However, this one stylistically sends a clear message of a queen/consort, with many elements reminiscent of BP's royal costume. Btw, could be a fun scenario, having Sue act like a consort to BP with Reed present, having explained that it's just an official position, that since BP doesn't have a wife, someone has to perform certain consort-related official functions, etc. So she could sit near BP, hold his hand etc etc, while Reed thinks it's just a tradition and a nominal title.
4. The "ritual" costume – smth alike the "Chel-like" revealing costume I doodled. The almost nudity explained by ritualistic traditions of Wakanda. Those could actually exist, but in reality they could be related to Sue as the King's sexual conquest. Reed doesn't know the latter part, of course.
5. Some sexy costumes Sue designed specifically to wear for T'Challa. E.g., some sexy underwear set. Or maybe:
6. The "first anal" costume. A costume, specifically designed for the occasion of making T'Challa the first man to take her anal virginity. Featuring a 4-shaped hole for easy access... May be a joke suggestion, or may be not, depending on what you think
7. Etc. E.g., I like her "sexy teacher" outfit, how about Sue wearing it in one of the future scenes? Just a random idea
>I guess I was slightly biased considering that the "ambassador" costume (mixing BP with FF) gave me an idea for a really good running gag that'd help with the lightheartedness of the piece: the only person who recognizes that Sue is getting it on with T'Challa is perennial FF villain Moleman, and he keeps saying so blatantly even though nobody believes him. However that depends on how much you guys (the audience) want the suspicion angle included.
That's an interesting idea, and one that could be done with any of her redesigned costumes (probably, the first one). But... Mole Man? Er... doesn't the presence of his ugly mug kill the mood somewhat?
>As for that last thing, are you my long-lost lewd evil twin or something?
Haha, of course I am! I'm the one with the goatee

>>153227
>That's an interesting idea, and one that could be done with any of her redesigned costumes (probably, the first one). But... Mole Man? Er... doesn't the presence of his ugly mug kill the mood somewhat?

Well, it's because he's basically blind, so the joke is that it's so obvious even a blind man could see she's cheating on Reed... except it's ONLY the blind man who sees, everyone else seems kind of oblivious.

But it's probably not worth sacrificing that many opportunities to do "almost getting caught" scenes and so on, just for the sake of a single joke.

I like the idea of multiple costumes, actually, but I'm just the writefriend here. Writing about outfits is significantly easier than drawing them.

Okay, now that's just silly. Nevermind.

>Well, it's because he's basically blind, so the joke is that it's so obvious even a blind man could see she's cheating on Reed... except it's ONLY the blind man who sees, everyone else seems kind of oblivious.
Damn, how did I not get this joke? I think it could work, maybe not a running gag, but as a one-off gag for sure
>Writing about outfits is significantly easier than drawing them.
Hey, you're a professional writer, talking to someone who has an almost pathological inability to make a couple of coherent sentences haha Don't sell your talents short, man

>>153229
>Don't sell your talents short

It'd be easier if I had, say, J. K. Rowling levels of success in my life. But thank you for the support! I've slacked off on posting here because, well... 1,285 words of Sue/T'Challa takes time. Especially since, in my hubris, I've apparently decided I need to retell the whole scene from MK4 #21 as set-up.

>>153230
Eh most us writers wont' get that kinda crazy, but that isn't the aim. Its that you feel you have a story to tell.

>>153231

Mm, but when writing is your career, it's only natural to hope for success.

1.7k words in and they're finally at the lagoon... good thing that I plan on at least 2k words of fuckin' to balance it out.

Brainstorming (man, it ain't easy to brainstorm anything when all your blood isn't in the brain) a diplomatic costume for official events. Not quite happy with how it turned out yet

>>153230
I'm not a writer, but, well, success is a fickle mistress. I subscribe to the "do what you like, live a full life, earn enough money to be able to do steps 1 and 2, and don't worry" school of thought
>~2000 words of prelude
If you're okay with this, it's actually great! I love some prelude and foreplay in my erotica, much more than when the characters jump into bed right at the start haha Already anticipating your writings!

>>153227
>>153229
>>153233
I got say, I'm absolutely loving these costumes idea, even the ones that are supposed to be just be a joke like the "first anal" one, super sexy and create even sexier scenarios. I really dig your too art too, sketchy but really hot.

>>153198
With that costume she can even keep her shoulders bare as well, it's even more riske but she would still technically be coved enough.

>>153232
Yea sure but don't let it get in the way of telling the story that you want to tell is all I'm saying.

>>153229
Its silly, sure, but it would also be something fun for them.

Maybe Susan is nervous about doing anal for the first time, however she still wants to do it really bad, and so she decides design that anal cherry costume to make the whole thing into a far more relaxed and joking manner for her.

>>153239

I'm well aware, yes, thank you.

>>153233

Well, I hope you enjoy 5.5k of total erotica, because it's time for dinner and this is as good a place as any for me to leave off in the story.

http://tinyurl.com/lewdwhatif

>>153243
Great work, all the build up and attention to detail really paid off. I loved the fact that you actually kept the characters in character and the sex itself was really hot, sometimes writers can't pull both for whatever reason.

Susan's inner struggle of how her lust and T'Challa's charming personality got the best of her was depicted very well, we really got a good look into how she embraced her inner slut, as well as how the whole "neglected housewife" played such a big role into this particular passionate moment.

Yeah, it felt liked the whole thing flowed very natural and realistic, I hope to see more, maybe even something taking place years later when she is ready to show her devotion to T'Challa with with that costume. Of course it will still be a secret affair, but she would be getting much bolder with those hints.

I liked how primal the blowjob got too, how Susan seemed to cut loose and really go all out, whether it was because she wanted to get back at Reed or it was a part of herself she was hiding, it worked great.

That comedic ending was a nice touch too, it was really goofy and yet somehow believable...

>>153247

Well thank goodness, I was worried I'd gotten a little rusty at smut after going so long without writing any.

I might polish it up a bit - I feel like I could make the blowjob scene a lot better - and I was considering doing a nice hard dicking scene so T'Challa can take care of Sue's soaking wet pussy. I feel bad letting her get so turned on and not let her get pounded hard.

But not bad for an idle afternoon's work, I suppose.

>>153252
I feel like their first time, like when they actually have sex should take place later, just so that Susan gets another chance to have another inner struggle.

Like maybe it can even be when T'Challa visits them at New York or something, maybe its been a few months and Sue had convinced herself that the blowjob she gave him was just an isolated incident, a moment of weakness in her marriage if you must.

However, once she comes face to face with the Black Panther, she once again begins to let her inner slut resurface. Hell, maybe she is a few weeks pregnant, and Reed once again is not be attentive with her, thus letting hormones and mood swings take control of her actions when T'Challa makes a visit.

Anyway, yeah, I would like to see the blowjob scene be developed a bit more, if you want to do that. I mean, it can get even more graphic and drawn out, Sue perhaps suddenly finds herself worshiping his dick, something completely new to her yet despite being a strong woman she utterly surrenders to her most primal nature.

>>153243
Wow, that was a great read! Thank you for spending time on writing this, it's sure a quality piece! I won't repeat what has been said by another anon, but yeah, I liked how you managed to show us the psychological workings behind each word and phrase, and make them all feel logical and in place! And how you crafted Sue's personality, both strong-willed and mischievous. The prelude part, that was definitely an important part of the story, setting the mood and preparing the stage for the lewd events that follow. And the blowjob scene... OH MY. I wish I was a much better artist so that I could draw all of these scenes. So hot. I don't know how you could manage to improve on the scene, as it's already hot. And I loved the joke segment at the end, funny and hot at the same time.
Is the story finished? It feels like a good ending place. Though I disagree with anon that this would be their only sex during that visit to Wakanda; T'Challa would've at least returned the favor to Susan (off-screen maybe). Though I agree, maybe they didn't have vaginal/anal sex then (for some reason, let's say Reed returned to his room again and spoiled the mood completely) – having Sue deal with reluctance to cross that barrier would make the 2nd part (should you decide to write it, of course) much hotter. But of course, it's all our opinions, the final decision is up to you.
If I may, a couple small suggestions re: this story:
>His kind words, kind nature, his commanding nature
"Kind" and "nature" repeat – a simple mistake perhaps
Btw, maybe it'd be a nice stylistic nod to insert a paragraph from Watcher at this point – since it's the point of divergence for this alt.universe. Smth along the lines of "in another world, Susan didn't stop him etc, but here etc etc"
>Yum!
Don't know, might be just me, but this exclamation sounded a bit silly to me?
>Reed's note
May be the place to insert another couple of words from the Watcher, since in the original story Reed was in the room. Or maybe they have spent more time in the lake, and thus have returned later than Sue did in the original story?
>and pulled down his pants just enough to let his member flop out.
As it's the first time T'Challa's cock is named in any way, maybe choose a less neutral-sounding word than "member"? E.g., "manhood" or such
Anyway, those are just small nitpicks, you may disregard them if you want. Again, great work, and if you'd like to, please keep on going!

P.S.: Drew a Sue x T'Challa doodle, as appreciation

Will she have a special necklace, choker, or collar giving to her by T'Challa?

I'm thinking something like Avatar The Last Airbender's betrothal necklace, in that it hold the very specific and special meaning that she is his official consort, but people not familiar with Wakandan royal traditions simply would not know.

Something bold and predominant, covering a large portion of her neck, with intricate details and marking, and adorned with precious jewels. Something that she almost never removes, even in the rare occasion that she would be having sex with Reed she wears it proudly.

Reed and everyone else have been told that its just a gift because of Susan's interest in Wakanda culture, but there is still something almost sexual about it that they can't quite explain, the way she wears it and how it is design seems to give people the impression and vibe like she has been claimed somehow.

I would be like a wedding ring, but much more powerful in message, and in fact something that is specifically representative of her sexual desires instead of a legal matter.

I think there potential to play around with this idea, especially since Sue and BP will be the only ones who actually know the meaning behind it, and yet everyone else can't help but to be intrigued whenever they see her wearing it.

Hell, it can be made of a particular type of Vibranium, something that increases her sexual drive whenever T'Challa is near, you know, like a vibrator for her entire body.

>>153272
I love your doodles, however, would like to see them bigger and maybe with a bit more detail.

Still, they capture a specific sexy scene pretty well.

Keep at it.

>>153272
Ah sheesh, I didn't notice all those errors. How embarrassing. Usually I catch myself on things like that, but since I was basically writing this in one sitting today (with a small break for lunch) I guess I didn't spend enough time backtracking and double-checking. No wonder my editor hates me with a passion.

The note was because... well, mainly because I thought it'd be funny, and I wanted to do the "Reed comes back to Sue with her mouth full" scene in some way. Why he's gone and not hanging around... well, let's chalk it up to the butterfly effect or something. What If! Infinite possibilities!

I think spending too much time writing children's fiction has dulled my vocabulary when it comes to writing about big dicks and sloppy blowjobs. I'll go back and revise it, I think, rework it to be more lewd and descriptive. Also more messy, if that's possible. Might need to do some research first.

So apart from me being my own most vocal critic for a moment there, thank you for the kind words and the doodle! Don't sell yourself short on your artwork, either! Being insecure about creative work is my niche, buster! I actually tried to work in some of your original doodles into the story as scene elements (the deep throat, the kiss) so getting a new one is just adding fuel to the creative fire!

I definitely want to add more to the story, not only has it been great fun to write but it's also been a good study in character voice for me. I'm always on the lookout for ways to improve myself (forever chasing after that Rowling money, I suppose) and this has been pretty good for that. Although I doubt learning how to write a better sloppy blowjob will help with my PG-13 adventures...

I was actually considering them moving from Sue's room to T'Challa's royal chambers, having Sue take a nice hot shower to clean herself off... and have T'Challa join her, with a further scene developing from there, probably ending with Sue on her back with her ankles up by her ears and T'Challa making her scream.

Then it'd be a case of doing a segue to the end-of-story wrap-up with the FF leaving Wakanda and Sue saying goodbye to T'Challa... for now. After that... issue two?

>>153273

I like that idea a lot! Considering that the FF all get gifts at the end of their stay in Wakanda in the original story, that could easily be Sue's.

>>153277
>I was actually considering them moving from Sue's room to T'Challa's royal chambers, having Sue take a nice hot shower to clean herself off... and have T'Challa join her, with a further scene developing from there, probably ending with Sue on her back with her ankles up by her ears and T'Challa making her scream.
I'm sure loving that mental image, however I think I'm with the others in that it would have more of an impact and be sexier if they actually fucked later, part 2 maybe?

I think they could fool around some more, without having to do go all the way.

She should definately get that collar once he has fucked her in all holes though, it should be like a confirmation.

I don't know, it's up to you, really?

>>153281
>I'm sure loving that mental image, however I think I'm with the others in that it would have more of an impact and be sexier if they actually fucked later, part 2 maybe?

Define "later" here - you mean later that evening, the next day, next month, what? Thematically speaking, having their next meeting being the time they first have sex, sure, that works.

But within the established narrative structure of the canon I have already flouted, the FF are going to spend a few more days in Wakanda. I doubt either T'Challa or Sue would be spending those days (and nights) apart after the super fun time they've just had.

I can understand the need for gradual build-up over the course of the overarching plot, with the relationship deepening and more firsts being made (like first anal), but sex is so much more varied than just the basic physical cock-in-pussy part of it. There's the build-up, the background, the set dressing...

Plus I still think it's unfair for Sue to get so wet and not get a good seeing-to.

>>153273
An interesting and thrilling idea! Especially the part of keeping it while having sex with Reed... Sue's thoughts at that moment would be hot
>>153274
Thanks! Well... I try as I can. Sorry if I'm not yet experienced enough to pull off a bigger and better detailed drawing, I need to practice more
>>153277
Those "errors" were just few small things, we all get them sometimes (nothing like Stan Lee calling Bruce Banner "Bob" or Jack Kirby drawing Reed with two left hands!). Sorry if I sounded too criticizing in my post!
Thanks for your kind words about my doodles! I've noticed the resemblance of some scenes to my pics, but wasn't sure, so I didn't mention it. I'm glad they're inspired such hot scenes!
As for the continuation of the story, I'm kind of torn. On one hand, the sex scenes you described sound very promising – but on the other, as I said, I kinda like exploring Sue's reluctance to cross the last barrier. Of course, the final decision is totally yours.
Btw, I don't know if they should move to T'Challa's room now. Why? Because there would be plenty of time for Sue to visit his room (and marvel at its beauty etc) in later parts (if you decide to write them, of course). That was actually somewhat like what I had in mind with my latest doodle: Sue returns to Wakanda and T'Challa after a long time, she desperately wants to see T'Challa again and make love to him, so he brings her to his room for the first time, they start slow and very sensual, but the wait was so unbearable it quickly escalates to what you described (Sue getting the pounding of her life with her legs behind her ears).
>Although I doubt learning how to write a better sloppy blowjob will help with my PG-13 adventures...
You definitely need to mention it in interviews as part of your evolution as a writer, when you get your J.K.Rowling fame haha!

>>153289
Maybe the next day T'Challa has to attend some urgent matter of state (a supervillain attack maybe), and he and Sue have no time to meet again before the FF leaves?

>>153289
I see what you are saying, if they are going to be alone for so many days, yeah I guess they are bound to actually have sex at some point.

Also, if he is to give her that special necklace thing when they leave Wakanda, my guess is that they would have fully consummated their relationship.

If there is a second part that takes a few months or years later, I supposed the focus should be on something like how her new costume is created, or she acting like a diplomat for Wakanda, etc.


Lastly, I do think their first anal should be something of great importance to them, not just because it would be something completely new to Sue, but also because it would something that she would be giving T'Challa that she has not given to anybody else, a virginity that she holds very dear.

So yeah, maybe she makes special clothes for the occasion or they perform a specific Wakandan ritual, not to mention this can be the particular session where their sex get a lot more lewd and rough than usual, Sue wanting to make sure that night is something that she is going to remember for years and years.

Much more teasing with that anal cherry.

>>153290
>Sorry if I sounded too criticizing in my post!

Not in the slightest, nobody's a worse critic on my stuff than me. Satisfaction with one's work must be hard-earned for it to be truly satisfying! Or maybe I'm a secret masochist, who knows.

>As for the continuation of the story, I'm kind of torn. On one hand, the sex scenes you described sound very promising – but on the other, as I said, I kinda like exploring Sue's reluctance to cross the last barrier. Of course, the final decision is totally yours.

Hmmmm... an idea does occur. Sue can keep flirting heavily with T'Challa for the remainder of the FF's visit, but feel a bit guilty about having had Reed walk in on her with a face coated in another man's seed (even though he didn't realize that). So she doesn't progress any further with their relationship beyond maybe some heavy petting.

Issue two opens up with Reed having done (or in the process of doing) something science-based that annoys Sue immensely to the point where she walks out on him. This has precedent in the comics, Reed shut down his own son's brain for science reasons without so much as mentioning it to Sue first.

Somehow she's going to end up in the Black Panther's company, but I am not sure how yet. Maybe the Wakandan consulate in New York, maybe at the Avengers mansion, but somehow she winds up with him. And she just gets reminded of how nice and tactful T'Challa is, compared to how boorish and self-absorbed Reed can be, and she lets him take her.

And of course, once you go panther you've got a new master... or something which works better than a half-rhyme, anyway. But she gets a good hard seeing-to from T'Challa and that's the start of the long road down to her future "career" as ambassador to Wakanda, and secret consort to the king.

Just a vague idea, anyway, it's getting a bit late over here and I was up earlier than I should have been.

A 'Sue goes native' thing could be fun in other areas. Crash land in The Savage Land and get rescued by a Tarzan look alike. He takes care of her and she eventually starts wearing furs/skins and they mate. Once scene could have her pregnant as she has fully accepted her new life.

>>153295
I really like your outline, and yeah, I do feel that their first time should be something that has to be earned to some degree.

So both of them seeing each other in New York once again after a considerably amount of time has passed, and Susan is still being as attracted to him as ever, gives that moment more weight.

Sue had tried to convince herself that it meant nothing, but she simply can't ignore how much she wants to give herself to him, she ends up puts all the guilt and doubt behind her and completely commits herself to this relationship.

This chapter can jump around a bit, just to show how much she seriously about it, showing her having long sexual sessions with him in a period of a few days.

Finally ending with her fully accepting her role as his consort, and receiving the special collar/necklace.

>>153299
>>153295
Where would it take place though? I feel that the place should be symbolic
The Baxter Building maybe?

>>153300
Wakanda Embassy maybe?
It can be somewhere where their sexual adventures can be long and hard without someone interrupting them.

Although, the thrill of getting caught could be something that makes Susan even more excited and thus she convinces T'Challa to make love to her in the Baxter Building.

The idea of BP fucking her brains out in a room close to the rest of the team and husband could be something really kinky for her, and perhaps even the inspiration for why she decides to redesign her costume, plus she could always just use her powers if they ever get to noisy and someone decides to investigate.

Once again playing with the whole "almost getting caught" thing that seems to be a theme by now.


Hell, why not both places? After all the idea is that he fucks her repeatedly for like a week until she finally comes to accept that her true passion is him, its a long surrender to her primal lust and reaffirmation of her inner slut.

I also feel that something like x-ray which is very common in hentai could be used here as actual part of the plot, Sue using her powers to let T'Challa see just how deep he is penetrating her.

It can be a fetish she slowly give him throughout their relationship, perhaps starting with short sudden flashes, until finally she lets him see everything in great detail, including when he comes inside her.

It can be used for just about every sexual act, but perhaps the most effective when he finally takes her anal cherry.


This is a bit more weird than the other ideas, but its a nice way to see her using her powers during sex...take it or leave it.

>>153198
How would the Black Panther iconography would work with this outfit though, I mean, other than the necklace thing?

Perhaps its too bare, but at least the right amount of ass cleavage is present, right?

>>153314
I guess it could just use more black and gold, Black Panther's colors

>>153314

Say like the body suit could be two panthers facing each other. Polished vibranum eyes over the nipples with gold outlining the body features.

>>153317
Eh, I think maybe it can work

>>153328

It's a pretty nice design as-is, but comparatively (to other superhero costumes) it's a little bare. Not in terms of ass cleavage, I mean, but in terms of total skin exposed.

Maybe what you'd want to do is give her some taller boots and some gloves that reach to her elbows, maybe a little over. It's not about showing everything, after all, it's about showing the right things.

Doodlefag here, tried my hand at this.

Design wise, I like the panther head cleavage. However, as someone said, I feel that it was a little too busy. Big cleavage in the front _and_ in the back is too much, imo.
Let's leave the back cleavage for another costume. I closed the back, and left the front "panther head" cleavage, as it's symbolic. I really like the symbolism of it, Sue's tender naked body looks like it's devoured by the panther head – the way it's devoured by her lust for Black Panther.
I really didn't like the "4" emblem's placement. It looked like it was tacked on as an afterthought. Though it may have some symbolism (Sue not thinking about her husband's team until the last minute), I feel that could happen only at a much later time in the storyline, when she's much more devoted to T'Challa. I decided to put the emblem on the back, completely removing it from the front. On one hand, it's prominent and in center, it still sends the "prominent member of the FF" message. On the other hand, the emblem being relegated to the back, may symbolize how now her husband's plans (e.g., the team that Sue was always a somewhat reluctant member of, and stayed mostly because of Reed) are now taking a back seat to her newfound affection towards T'Challa.
The thigh-bands looked too '80-90s to me. Story-wise, it's too early for them to appear. The 2nd part (where this redesign belongs to) would happen somewhere in the 60-70s, I think. In real time years, of course; in-universe we use the much more condensed Marvel time, so our heroes don't age much.
So, instead of the thigh-bands, I put parts of the original FF costume. I also kept the original blue-white-black colors. This is Sue's 1st attempt at a BP-themed redesign, and she's a bit cautious. These parts make the costume still give a general feeling of "FF member", but a FF member "corrupted" by BP's influence. Thus, it looks as if the center part of a traditional FF costume was consumed by the aggressive panther head. Btw, maybe the thighhighs need to start a bit lower, dunno
Also, gave her the Panther necklace and a couple small earrings to balance it.

[cont]

>>153338
[cont]
And this is a variant of the costume Sue designs later. It's more bold in its dedication to BP.
Sue decides to completely ditch the family colors, instead choosing BP's black-gold scheme. The minimalistic sciencey stuff of the arm and leg parts is replaced by Wakanda-inspired ornaments (right now I just drew some random ornaments that popped in my head – I need to research more about what ornaments are used in Wakanda), symbolizing how T'Challa is slowly taking more place in her life that was before taken by Reed. She also wears more Wakanda-style jewelry (again, same thing as with the ornaments – need more research here).
Dunno what will be going in the back yet.

What do you think?

>>153304
Maybe she insists that the symbolic first sex would take place in her bed, and then he takes her to the Wakanda embassy and they spend several days there, joyfully fucking. Maybe they even don't tell anyone, and everyone (Reed included) is at loss where Sue is (no one bats an eye at T'Challa's disappearance, or connects the two, since T'Challa is a mysterious and lonesome guy, so it's nothing out of ordinary for him).
>>153305
Well, I even drew a doodle of that sort, so she may use it sometimes to show T'Challa how deep he's in her etc. But I don't think it should com often, or become a fetish for her
>>153314
>>153328
Btw, did you draw the original model?

>>153340
>Maybe she insists that the symbolic first sex would take place in her bed, and then he takes her to the Wakanda embassy and they spend several days there, joyfully fucking. Maybe they even don't tell anyone, and everyone (Reed included) is at loss where Sue is (no one bats an eye at T'Challa's disappearance, or connects the two, since T'Challa is a mysterious and lonesome guy, so it's nothing out of ordinary for him).

Interesting ideas there, although from another point of view you could say that the symbolic first sex has to take place in T'Challa's "territory" (so to speak) to signify how Sue is straying from Reed and giving herself up to the Black Panther.

Maybe having wild, freaky, messy sex on the marital bed could be a sort of "revenge" later, for Reed being insensitive or tactless about something. Again.

I don't want to do the "Reed is a jerk" thing too much that it's actively hurting Sue, because that would be grounds enough for them to split up. But I like him being distant and inattentive, so that she stays with him more because of the team dynamic than anything else, and gets all her love and sex from T'Challa. Reed never really notices because his first love is science. Also his second love is science. Third is pipe-smoking, fourth is not curing Ben.

There are a few Marvel events I'd like to do within this story, as a kind of "alternate history" showing the knock-on effects of Sue and T'Challa's relationship (as well as what I'd think would make for a better story, haha). I was always a big, big fan of Exiles (until they ruined it) so I really like the idea of exploring the superhero side of things in between hard fuckings.

Oh, and this is the writefriend, by the way. I thought I should start using a name as well, so I don't have to keep saying it's me every other time I post.

>>153338
>>153340
I really like the psychology that you are putting behind the costumes, and yeah, perhaps the other one was a bit too revealing, although I must say that Sue could get a bit more daring once she has devoded herself fully to T'Challa and give the black version a more of thong look appearance. You know, just to show a little bit more of that ass, that BP just loves so much.

Anyway, I think that necklace is too loose and not predominant enough, I think perhaps it needs to be a thicker and much closer to her neck ala choker, for both practility and sending a statement.

Oh yeah, BTW, I didn't draw the model sheet, my contribution was just the shitty ms paint.

>>153342
I think the "territory" idea makes a lot sense, and I also agree that Reed should not be be asshole to her directly, but more by his actions in that he puts science before her time and time again. She might still care for him and knows how important it is to keep the team together, but at the same time her more basic needs and passions needs to be fulfilled by someone else at this point.

>>153342
>Interesting ideas there, although from another point of view you could say that the symbolic first sex has to take place in T'Challa's "territory" (so to speak) to signify how Sue is straying from Reed and giving herself up to the Black Panther.
>Maybe having wild, freaky, messy sex on the marital bed could be a sort of "revenge" later, for Reed being insensitive or tactless about something. Again.
Hm, I'm liking these ideas. So I guess you're right, leave the marital bed sex for later (the idea of messy and depraved sex as revenge is very hot), and have her spend time with BP on the small piece of Wakandan soil in the heart of her homeland – the Wakandan Embassy. Btw, I wonder, if the Wakandan Embassy was ever shown in comics?
Btw, a possibly helpful page about various Wakandan sights: http://worldofblackheroes.com/2010/08/30/wakanda-location/
>I don't want to do the "Reed is a jerk" thing too much
Agreed on this, too, Reed being inattentive and distant would be enough, especially if it happens at the right (wrong) times.
>Third is pipe-smoking, fourth is not curing Ben.
What about Doom???
>There are a few Marvel events I'd like to do within this story
Hm, that sounds intriguing! Would it involve T'Challa inviting Luke Cage for a threesome, during that one story when the FF hired Luke?

On another note, on the subject of Sue's love for sexy costumes:
Picrelated is from FF 407 where Sue, Ben, Johnny and some allies (including Namor) search for the disappeared Reed. They go to barbarian times (think Conan), and here's how they disguise themselves. Will Sue put on some modest, concealing clothes that won't attract much attention, especially while on a team with her tireless admirer? Of course not! She puts on a costume that would make Red Sonja blush, and instead of worrying about Reed, her thoughts focus on admiring Namor in his sultan getup. This costume, btw, could also give ideas about what she could design to wear for T'Challa

>>153349
Thanks! I don't know about the thong (it could look somewhat tacky), but I definitely like the choker idea. It could be a black choker with a gold panther head
>>153342
Btw, liking the idea of "desecrating" the marital bed more and more. She may do it as revenge for Reed forgetting their anniversary. That was actually the plot behind MK4 #21 (the T'Challa issue). In that issue, she was mad at Reed, so she spent her anniversary reminiscing with her friends about her almost-affair with T'Challa, instead of her times with Reed. In our universe, she would of course be much more daring, and invites T'Challa into her house for the first time.
I don't know if it's too much, but how about she wears her famous wedding dress for him?..

>>153351
>(the idea of messy and depraved sex as revenge is very hot)

Sex with T'Challa is always going to be messy (if I have anything to say about it) but perhaps the revenge sex could be the first anal experience too? Get back at Reed by not just getting nailed in the bed they share, but also have Black Panther claim a place where Reed's never been.

>Btw, I wonder, if the Wakandan Embassy was ever shown in comics?

Marvel wiki has you covered: http://marvel.wikia.com/Category:Wakandan_Embassy/Appearances

Less times than I would have thought, actually.

>http://worldofblackheroes.com/2010/08/30/wakanda-location/

I had honestly thought of Wakanda as being much bigger, but then again it's hard to alter maps that much and still have them being familiar. In my mind, Wakanda is the size of the Central African Republic.

... I should probably stop myself now before my mind starts filling up with Total War campaign screens.

>What about Doom???

I've always considered that relationship sort of one-sided. Doom cares a lot about besting Reed, but Reed doesn't really give a fuck until something dangerous happens.

>Hm, that sounds intriguing! Would it involve T'Challa inviting Luke Cage for a threesome, during that one story when the FF hired Luke?

While the thought of seeing Sue sandwiched between two big black guys is undeniably hot, narratively speaking I'm a little dubious on how that'd happen. Usually threesomes involve some kind of prior relationship... although I suppose that Cage is a Hero for Hire, and he could be hired to... on second thought, that might be too silly.

I kind of want to talk about some of my other favourite pairings in the world of comic books, but that seems a bit out-of-line for this thread.

>>153352
>I don't know if it's too much, but how about she wears her famous wedding dress for him?..

Now that idea I like! Although maybe just the lacy white lingerie... the dress design there doesn't seem like it'd be good for bedroom activities.

The forgotten anniversary thing seems like a good device for sure, especially if you consider it the start of the "consort" activities. It could be what has her seek out the position of official ambassador to Wakanda, so she can spend more time with T'Challa.

>>153352
I love the wedding dress idea, super taboo and kinky, on the other hand I also liked the idea that she would design a specific outfit for that occasion.

Eh, why not do both, Sue alters her wedding dress, making it far more sexy and with easy access for anal?

>>153353
Yeah, I don't know about other characters getting in on the action, I rather keep this Sue/T'Challa, at least for now.

>>153353
>but perhaps the revenge sex could be the first anal experience too? Get back at Reed by not just getting nailed in the bed they share, but also have Black Panther claim a place where Reed's never been.
>>153355
>I love the wedding dress idea, super taboo and kinky, on the other hand I also liked the idea that she would design a specific outfit for that occasion.
>Eh, why not do both, Sue alters her wedding dress, making it far more sexy and with easy access for anal?
I'd personally separate these two occasions. For several reasons:
- On the anniversary she wears the wedding dress, on their first anal sex she wears a specially designed costume
- On the anniversary the sex centers around the "messy sex on the marital bed" and "wedding dress" fetishes, on the first anal day it, of course, centers on T'Challa breaching this unbreached territory
- On the anniversary, Sue is mad at Reed forgetting the date, so she gets back to him by fucking T'Challa on their marital bed and in her wedding dress (both things symbolically connected to their marriage). On the day of the first anal sex, it's just another step of her gradual devotion to T'Challa, for the first time getting farther with her than Reed did. It may happen when she's the ambassador in Wakanda, I think.

>Although maybe just the lacy white lingerie... the dress design there doesn't seem like it'd be good for bedroom activities.
She wears the dress first, and T'Challa carries her to her room while passionately kissing. There he slowly disrobes her while she does the same... until she remains in her lacy wedding lingerie – a stark contrast with T'Challa's black rubbery BP costume which Sue is taking off of his muscular body.

>Luke
Okay, now I see that it's too silly (I think that was just my love of rough gangbangs speaking). And those two characters at the time had no connection besides being both black, so it's not really believable (they're friends now, iirc, but I don't think they even knew about each other's existence back then).

Pic is an official naked pin-up of Sue!

>>153358
>I'd personally separate these two occasions.

Excellent points, you've convinced me. Maybe the anal thing can be... ritualized, in a way? The act of full devotion to her king and lover, surrendering herself completely. I can see Sue getting pretty turned on by that.

Also I do want to note that even if it's not appropriate for me to talk about all the superhero pairings I love in this thread I am open to the idea of doing other stories with other pairings. Provided you can sell me on the idea, of course.

>>153353
Btw, the 1st appearance of the Wakandan Embassy: Black Panther Vol 1 #14 (March, 1979)
>The Black Panther has returned to the Wakandan Embassy in New York and proclaimed that the formerly isolated country of Wakanda is entering into diplomatic relations and trade with the world.
That could set the time for the 2nd story, perhaps.
Meanwhile, in the Fantastic Four comics, the FF go to an alien world and are captured by Skrulls. Maybe in our reality, Sue finds a reason not to go with the others, and thus their absence (she doesn't know they've been captured) gives her and BP time to... know each other better

>>153361
>Meanwhile, in the Fantastic Four comics, the FF go to an alien world and are captured by Skrulls. Maybe in our reality, Sue finds a reason not to go with the others, and thus their absence (she doesn't know they've been captured) gives her and BP time to... know each other better

One of the plotlines I had been considering was Reed telling Sue that he just needs to spend five minutes in a miniaturized universe - but due to the time dilation, he'll be gone in the real world for sixty days. She asks him why he has to go spend two months in another dimension, and he just says that relativistically speaking, it's only five minutes, so don't worry your pretty little female mind about it, Sue darling, I'll be fine. Of course after he's gone, Sue realizes that two months without Reed means two months worshipping Panther cock, so it all works out in the end.

I reckon I could probably adapt that to having Reed out in space instead. If Sue doesn't know that Skrulls have captured the team then she'd probably just assume Reed got distracted by some science thing and is boring Ben and Johnny to tears with descriptions of quantum solar flux.

One of the storylines I wanted to dally with was Secret Wars, especially once I remembered that Sue and Panther are NOT among the heroes taken, but Reed (and the rest of the FF) are. Plenty of time for lewd activities.

(By the way, I keep reading your name as "Doodlebug", which I sort of prefer.)

>>153360
>>153358
Yeah, when you put it that way "first anal" and "wedding dress sex" should be separate.

As people keep mentioning, I do think that their "first anal" should something especial, almost like their very own wedding night type of sex, something that symbolizes Sue's complete devotion. So yeah, all the pageantry and rituals should be in place when he takes her anal cherry.

Although, if the "wedding dress sex" takes place after their "first anal" in the timeline, who is to say that she would not get anally penetrated while wearing her wedding dress in her own bed as well?

I don't know if that means she would also have redesigned her dress, but anal poundings while dressed in white is a must, as long as they have already gone that far of course.

>>153364
Although, now that I think about it, the "wedding dress sex" would something rather unplanned and spontaneous, Sue acting out of frustration that Reed once again forgot their anniversary.

I'm thinking that by the time she is willing giving BP her anal cherry, she would be far beyond caring about her anniversary with Reed, her true devotion would be T'Challa.

>>153360
Yes, I think it could be hot, but you need to be careful not to overdo the "traditional Wakandan rituals" angle too much
As for other pairings... nothing on my mind atm, I'm currently interested in how this thing turns out
>>153362
The Skrull capture thing, frankly, bugs me a bit, since it's a bit gruesome (of course, Sue doesn't know about what happened, but we know). Maybe it'll happen like you said (Reed away in a miniaturized universe or parallel dimension; or maybe even takes Johnny and Ben away but leaves Sue at home because "it's too dangerous for women" or something), but after the team returns from the Skrulls.
>Secret Wars
I dunno, it's not long before Sue's miscarriage, so I'm not sure it's a good time. Or maybe I'm mistaking things?
Btw, I think it'd be helpful to review BP's appearances together with the FF, maybe one of them could be used as basis for another Sue&BP meeting?

>>153364
>>153365
I'm not in favor of redesigning the wedding dress, since half of the hotness of cheating in the wedding dress is that it's the same wedding dress she wore at her, well, wedding.
>I'm thinking that by the time she is willing giving BP her anal cherry, she would be far beyond caring about her anniversary with Reed, her true devotion would be T'Challa.
That may not necessarily be so. Maybe she just separated her love/sex life into two parts: the marriage with Reed (she still loves the man, and helps and defends him etc) and the passionate lust with T'Challa (she starts getting the same feelings about him gradually). Because if she doesn't care about Reed at all, it's just ground for divorce and our story will end. No, she still loves him, but gets her "hot passionate romantic love and lust" needs from T'Challa. The marital bed sex could be another breaking point – before she had a clear division in her mind, something like "what happens in Wakanda, stays in Wakanda". Wakanda and the embassy were the place for hot T'Challa loving, while her home was the place for being a good loving wife to Reed. Mad at Reed for not remembering the anniversary (and maybe even saying/doing something unintentionally dickish in regards to that), Sue lets T'Challa "invade" the space she previously kept him, and their extramarital activities, out of.

As for a "Wakandan wedding", that could be also very hot. And I think, it needs to be a separate occasion from first anal sex, taking place after the marital bed romp. It could be the final breaking point for Sue, who surrenders herself to T'Challa completely and formally. She's still Reed's wife, and she still holds a bit of hope for him at the time. She invites him to attend the ceremonies (not telling him what they mean, of course), as a way to give him a final chance to prove himself and win her back. Does he succeed?..

Some thoughts.

What about BP making Sue a honorary Dora Milaje? Those are the female bodyguards, ambassadors and wives-in-waiting of T'Challa. Of course, a true Dora Milaje trains from young age, etc., thus Sue is "honorary". It could happen somewhat earlier in the story (much earlier than the final "Wakandan wedding" ceremony I mentioned in my previous post), and Sue could explain to Reed the "wife-in-waiting" part is just nominal. It could also be a sign of T'Challa treating Sue with due respect, noting her battle prowess and power (at the same time while Reed would sometimes have her stay away from danger etc).

Also, tried listing all the plot ideas proposed in this thread:
>1. FF's visit to Wakanda. Sue and BP begin their affair (done)
>2. Years later, BP opens the embassy in New York. Sue and T'Challa rekindle their love. Sue redesigns her costume to v1. First vaginal sex in the Wakandan embassy, as a solitary event. Then Sue and T'Challa spend a week in the embassy.
>3. Sue visits Wakanda on her own, as a vacation maybe. Visit's T'Challa's royal apartments, and other Wakandan sights, for the first time. First anal sex. Returns back, redesigns costume to v2.
>4. Sue mad at Reed for not remembering the anniversary. Decides to give herself to T'Challa in her marital bed, dons her old wedding dress for him. Very lewd, messy, wild sex.
>5. Sue becomes ambassador/honorary Dora Milaje, leaves to live in Wakanda. Designs some sexy costumes and stuff, dunno
>6. Sue decides to get married to T'Challa in a Wakandan ceremony. As a last chance for Reed, invites him (not telling him the nature of the ceremonies, and her role in it). Will Reed win her back the end?
Of course, desperately need A Certain Liar's thoughts on all this.

Pic is another one of Sue's risque costume changes (this time, involuntary).

>>153352
> I don't know about the thong (it could look somewhat tacky)
Well, wouldn't it be like the 90s(in actual time) by then?

I think its rather appropriate, it would not be anymore revealing than what was standard back then anyway.

>>153366
I see what you are saying about the different loves, the thing she has with T'Challa being much more primal and rough, more like lust than love, like an addiction that she just can't give up.

The struggle of trying to keep both lives separate being the major theme here, but perhaps loosing in many ways, like her costume and choker for example, clearly showing that her lust is invading her other parts of life.

I also like the Wakanda wedding idea, with Sue inviting Reed, the ceremonies becoming more and more blatant as it goes on. I guess that can be the occasion where she wears the "Chel" outfit.

>>153370
I like your outline, pairs up the particular outfits with an important milestone in her secret affair, sort of like a reaffirmation of sorts.

I think that outfit is a bit too "Heavy Metal" for this story, maybe with some alterations it could work, make it more African like and show more skin. I do like the horns though, makes me think of an animal that a Panther would eat, so maybe there is something symbolic to work with there.

Maybe thats her Dora Milaje outfit, she being a protector but also a prey for BP, I don't know.

I like this for her necklace/choker/collar with some minor alterations, and even tighter to her neck.

>>153370
>Of course, desperately need A Certain Liar's thoughts on all this.

There's some solid narrative here, yes, but I may alter some of it. Writing is kind of fluid... you sometimes make changes that feel good at the time that you wouldn't have thought about during planning. I think I changed quite a bit in the process of writing "issue one".

When it comes to comic books I'm not the biggest fan of the attempts at "maturity" that sometimes get shoehorned in. Miscarriages and gruesome torture, stuff like that. So honestly I would really rather not touch upon those themes in my story here, canon or not.

It's nice to tie this sort of stuff into the storyline, but all I really want here is to have Sue and T'Challa have a nice relationship together that involves a lot of lewd, messy, loud, nasty, bed-wrecking sex.

I'd do the same thing with any of my other favourite ships - Thor/Storm, Nightcrawler/Scarlet Witch, Superman/Livewire, Batman/Harley Quinn (yes I have a thing for redeemable villains getting it on with heroes) - and there are some of 'em there who have a lot more baggage going on in their respective histories. But I like fun, so sue me.

>>153375
>even tighter to her neck
That could another kink, T'Challa realizing that the necklace was designed a bit too small for her, but Susan insisting that it is fine, getting a certain thrilled about "being collared" or something like that.

>>153376
Yeah, I rather it just stay sexy than getting all "deep" and "mature" with all the unnecessary drama.

Sort of a challenge when dealing with this, right?

I mean, I see no mention of the fact that Susan has kids with Reed. I know, that someone mentioned a while back that she actually gets off on the fact that she is a mother and yet likes it really a kinky with T'Challa, but nothing more developed that that.

How do they fit into this particular story about her secret lust affair, if at all?

>>153352
I got to say I'm a huge fan of the wedding dress idea, especially because how hardcore and depraved it is supposed to get.

Maybe she even decides take pictures of that event, just to remember her secret shame an all that.

One in particular where she is spreadeagled semiconscious on the bed, with cum leaking out of all her holes and completely covered in sweat and other bodily fluids, her dress all ripped and stained, her hair and makeup a total mess, her body covered with red markings from all the playful spankings and light choking.

A completely obscene picture that perfectly captures just how far her lust has taken control over her marriage, a picture that nevertheless she likes to stare at whenever she starts to get the cravings and Black Panther is not immediately available.

>>153383
She keeps that picture behind her wedding picture? Hidden in plain sight, and not to mention a nice piece of symbolism there. Make so that she laying on top T'Challa in the picture, and its even more effective.

>>153372
>Well, wouldn't it be like the 90s(in actual time) by then?
I dunno, I think it'd be earlier. But anyway, that depends much on how A Certain Liar leads the story. He said he wanted to tie some story moments to actual comic events, so it depends on that
>I guess that can be the occasion where she wears the "Chel" outfit.
Yeah, I also had that in mind

>>153373
>I think that outfit is a bit too "Heavy Metal" for this story
I actually just posted it as food for thought – as we're talking about possible skimpy Sue's costumes, to show actual skimpy costumes she has worn over the years. I also don't think it'd fit into this story

>>153375
Hm, maybe. I thought of maybe an actual choker (a black band with the golden panther head in the middle)?

>>153376
>but I may alter some of it. Writing is kind of fluid... you sometimes make changes that feel good at the time that you wouldn't have thought about during planning. I think I changed quite a bit in the process of writing "issue one".
Of course, I understand you. I just compiled all the different ideas floating in this thread into a helpful list – but you are the writer, and you choose what to do about them.
>When it comes to comic books I'm not the biggest fan of the attempts at "maturity" that sometimes get shoehorned in. Miscarriages and gruesome torture, stuff like that. So honestly I would really rather not touch upon those themes in my story here, canon or not.
I am totally behind you in this. I'd also like to read a light, sexy story without any "hard" stuff. Actually that's why I warned you about Sue's miscarriage – it may pose a problem if the story were to be set at that time
>It's nice to tie this sort of stuff into the storyline
No, no, I'd actually suggest to completely avoid it if possible. I'm all for a "lighthearted playful romp" style of story
>Thor/Storm
My man! I thought us Thorm-lovers were few on /co/

Pic: Someone on Marvel's editorial board definitely supported Sue x T'Challa (at least, as a possibility)! I mean, she's not even in that issue

>>153388
>That pic
Man, this story is certainly more in canon that I realized...

>>153391
Sue has had implied promiscuity for a while. Sometimes for reals because Reed is being a putz other times as a feint, because Reed is being a putz. If a man has power and intelligence Sue is going to flirt and chase.

>>153378
>That could another kink
Hm, don't know about chokers as a kink – but there definitely needs to be some rough sex with choking! Not real choking of course – the kind of sexual almost-choking done during rough sex. The kind that doesn't actually choke, but rather shows power and control; I bet Sue would be much into that. Maybe during that beastly rough sex on the marital bed?
>kids
I'd suggest to follow the original timeline here, with Sue getting her kids just like she did in the non-altered history. I definitely support showcasing that contrast: Sue is a prim and proper loving wife and a tender caring mother in one scene, and a depraved slut getting the fucking of her life in another. As Sue continues to keep the facade of being Reed's faithful wife, the kids live with them exactly the same way as in the original universe. Of course, Franklin could easily determine Sue's unfaithfulness, but let's just pretend this problem doesn't exist, okay? It's unsolvable, since Franklin is major hax. I don't know what would Sue decide to do about her kids in the latest part (her leaving to live in Wakanda, and the "Wakandan wedding") – if A Certain Liar even decides to write them that way, after all.

>>153383
>>153384
I love the depravity of this idea. It should be a picture of her and Reed's marital bed, in total disarray, almost broken from all the action, sheets torn or strewn about, covered in bodily fluids. It's dominated by the muscular figure of T'Challa, exhausted and glistening from sweat, his giant cock just having left Sue's welcoming body for the last time. Lying on top of him in a loving embrace is Sue, her tender body a contrast with T'Challa's defined musculature, her hair and makeup a mess, her body covered in sweat and cum and violent kiss marks, spanking marks on her shapely butt, T'Challa's potent cum leaking from all her holes, and a mischievous and happy smile on her face as she looks at the camera. And of course, her old wedding dress, torn and soiled with sex fluids and strewn around the bed and the floor, and the almost unrecognizable remnants of her sheer bridal lingerie and stockings, still clinging to her body, all torn and ruined by the hours of rough sex. And the bridal veil, still on her head, which she uses to wipe T'Challa's massive loads from her completely satisfied face...

>>153391
>>153392
Actually, Sue is a rather weird case.
In 616, she never cheated on Reed. It's canon. Never did anything, aside from a few kisses maybe. But at the same time, she likes to show that if she wanted to cheat, she totally could. So she flirts with a lot of men, and a lot of men flirt with her (including Namor, T'Challa, Spidey, even Cap America). Never gets anywhere further than that, since 616 Sue never cheats on Reed period. My theory is that she does it for Reed, to get at least some kind of emotion from him. She tries to get him to become jealous – and to want her more. Other times, she just does it to feel appreciated, when she lacks that feeling with her husband. And yes, I'm a supporter of the Sue x T'Challa pairing. But, this lewd story aside, if T'Challa gets Sue in 616, he deserves a woman who would never cheat on her man – maybe after she and Reed divorce or similar stuff happens. But that's off-topic
In other universes, though... Some Sues just married other people (e.g., the infamous Black Namor). Some Sues, however, left Reed for other men (e.g., Namor) or just blatantly cheated on him (e.g., with Havok of all people). Some Sues became evil (e.g., Madame Hydra, with Wolverine, of all people, as her lover). So... I dunno what that says about 616 Sue's character, considering alternate Sues are just her in a world that has gone slightly different.

>>153395
Yep, that's a damn sexy mental picture alright.

>>153396
I guess she is just one step away, and kind of like in this story a single decision would cause a domino effect.

>>153396
That is one of the things striking me about this is how easily it could be an actual Marvel story.

>>153398

Well, except for all the messy dick-sucking I wrote...

I actually really wanted to be a Marvel writer when I was younger. Comic book scripting is one of the skills I learned, though it's never really been used. In fact, I had my eye on Exiles, and I had a whole big plan on what I'd do with the title. Storylines, characters, little dossiers on each alternate reality. But by the time I was in a position to lobby for a job, the title was dead and buried...

>>153396
>Some Sues became evil (e.g., Madame Hydra, with Wolverine, of all people, as her lover). So... I dunno what that says about 616 Sue's character,

That one was in Exiles by Claremont, and all you need to know about that is, like ALL books they put Claremont on after the 90s, it was an unreadable fanwank tier clusterfuck that ended up failing sales big and cancelled.
Then it got relaunched with still Claremont at the helm, and cancelled again.

I was glad they gave the guy his own alternate universe book with X-Men Forever, because it meant he didn't have time to touch and screw up any other book. X-Men Forever was cancelled shortly afterwards.

>>153399
there is always image if you've got an original idea you want to try. Or if you've got the mind to do a kids show Nick is having a short subject pitch submission thing that ends in March.

>>153402

I'm happy enough with the books at the moment. No pictures, but more words, which means I get a more significantly-sized paycheck. It could stand to be slightly more significant in size, I will admit, but that and the freelance work pays the bills, which is all I ask of it.

I might branch out into comic books some day, possibly television too, but for now I'm doing fine. Thanks for the suggestions, though.

So, I get that T'Challa gave Sue that necklace after their first visit to Wakanda, did she know the importance of it back then?

If they didn't reconnect until years later when they met in New York, she didn't wear it, did she?

Maybe she kept it all those years, and it wasn't until she finally has sex with him at the embassy that she start wearing it?

Or hell, maybe she doesn't get it until she meets him again and they finally consummate their lust?

I still don't know how the writer stands on the necklace, but I do love the idea that it is like an engagement ring if sorts.

>>153403
trying to get into books myself. Working on a series that spawned from the idea of crossing Filmore! with Batwoman after looking at Gotham High pitch work from years back.

I would like to see T'Challa's servants treat Sue with a certain amount of pampering when she is at the embassy, at least once she has officially accepted the role as his consort. This would play rather well when Reed finally decides to visit her there, and like someone mentioned, everyone calling her Dora Milaje in front of him only makes Sue all the more excited.

I'm guessing this is her outfit when acting as an "ambassador", right?

>>153233

The conversation where Sue tries to explain why an ambassador would wear such clothes should be interesting.

>>153408
Easy on that, scantly clad ambassador allows her to move about the palace without being a threat of hiding weapons.

>>153404
>So, I get that T'Challa gave Sue that necklace after their first visit to Wakanda, did she know the importance of it back then?
I think, yes.
>If they didn't reconnect until years later when they met in New York, she didn't wear it, did she?
>Maybe she kept it all those years, and it wasn't until she finally has sex with him at the embassy that she start wearing it?
Hm, maybe. Maybe she just kept it as a keepsake for their secret affair in Wakanda; and after they started their affair again years later, she started wearing it as a symbol of their affair understood only by her and T'Challa.

>>153408
>I'm guessing this is her outfit when acting as an "ambassador", right?
Well, it's an attempt at designing it, though I'm not completely satisfied with how it turned out.
>The conversation where Sue tries to explain why an ambassador would wear such clothes should be interesting.
Well, Wakandan traditions, hot climate, no place to hide arms, plus as examples in this thread attest, Sue isn't quite against wearing classy but skimpy clothes: e.g. >>153191

>>153434
>Well, it's an attempt at designing it, though I'm not completely satisfied with how it turned out.

Personally I thought it looked great.

>>153439
Agreed, would like to see the front though, I'm hope is equally skimpy and seethrough.

For some I'm imagining that she is also barefoot, with plenty of jewelry on her ankles and waist to make noise when she strutting around the embassy.

>>153338
>>153340
I feel as though her second costume should be more impactful than just a color swap, I mean, I just love the symbolism that you have come up with(The Panther devouring Sue, the 4 relegated to the back, corruption, etc), thus I don't think just changing the color is enough.

Besides the fact that I think Susan would not miss an opportunity to design a new costume, I also feel that at that point she has been "fully devoured" by the Black Panther, and thus her costume should reflect that.

I like the idea of the black version of the Future Foundation outfit, but with the lines symbolizing that her true devolution is T'Challa, with the added bonus that the cloth is of Wakanda tech making it super skintight, almost like body-paint.
That way she has actually covered more skin, but in reality she seems to show it all.

I don't know, just a thought.

>>153445
>Besides the fact that I think Susan would not miss an opportunity to design a new costume, I also feel that at that point she has been "fully devoured" by the Black Panther, and thus her costume should reflect that.

Perhaps rather than the two panther heads in profile, it should be a panther-head design that's vertical? So the lower jaw is covering her breasts at the front, and the upper jaw is on her back?

I wish I was better at art so I could illustrate this.

>>153446
>>153445
Something like this perhaps?

I think I might have gone too abstract with this one

Still, I think the general shape works.

>>153439
Thanks!
>>153444
Thanks, also I support at least one barefoot "tribal style" costume
>>153445
It's not a simple color swap, it represents her gradual change.
v1 has the FF colors, and details of FF costume as framing
v2 ditches both the FF colors (in favor of BP colors) and the FF costume details (in favor of BP/Wakanda-inspired ornaments)
v3 could be an even more radical change, and Sue's final FF costume. It should completely loose the "4" (maybe in favor of a BP sign?), and adopt a lot of tribal-style elements, more jewelry (maybe v2 shouldn't have that much jewelry). It should also be skimpier than v1 and v2.
>>153446
>So the lower jaw is covering her breasts at the front, and the upper jaw is on her back?
It wouldn't "read" as a panther head. Maybe, however, we could make one panther head with an open maw, "looking" at us? The eyes are on the nipples, the maw is her belly/midriff, the ears are shoulders maybe? Dunno, I think it could be do-able
>>153452
It's hot and skimpy, but it doesn't say "Black Panther", to me at least. I liked the nipple eyes, they support the panther connection
Btw, do you have this model drawing naked? Could you please post it, so we all could try to doodle some Sue costumes?

Pic: an example of Sue's choice in underwear. Smth like that could be worn under her wedding dress, only even more sheer and lacy

Btw, an idea, maybe a crazy one. It could be set during BP's undercover New York days
Since BP doesn't want anyone to recognize him, he takes another secret identity for meeting with Sue. He plays the role of a pimp, and she plays the role of his slut (his Dore Milaje play the roles of other sluts). Of course, Sue doesn't have sex with any clients, it's just a front – and a roleplay. But the thrill of this roleplay, the depravity of a housewife and mother "becoming" a whore, the contrast between her rich life and the seedy neighborhoods, the constant danger of someone recognizing her walking the streets, the dominant and controlling attitude of T'Challa's "pimp" role, make her drenching wet long before "her big daddy" gives her another several orgasms on a dirty bed in some sleazy motel, while in her clean marital bed Reed alone is wondering where she's at

>>153457
Yeah, like I said, I think it came out too abstract.
I think fangs are a good idea, but I just didn't pull it off right.

And yeah, Sue should definitely be wearing sexy lingerie under that wedding dress. I'm talking lacy panties and bra, stockings and garter belt, and opera gloves. You know, the works, all the hotter when they are all covered in cum and ripped.

>>153459
I don't know, I think its taking it too far, I don't think Sue would go for it.

Anyway, here is the model sheet I found a while back, I didn't draw it or anything, so knock yourself out.

>>153445
I remember back when FF kicked off people were talking about Sue hooking up with Peter. Did that go anywhere, #34wise?

>>153445
Said Ripley to the android Bishop, yea that line is total crap. PHRASING BOOM!

>>153460
Thank you! I'll try to whip up some designs now
>I'm talking lacy panties and bra, stockings and garter belt, and opera gloves. You know, the works, all the hotter when they are all covered in cum and ripped.
Unf! Of course
>I don't know, I think its taking it too far, I don't think Sue would go for it.
Haha, maybe, I'm just posting various crazy ideas that come to my mind

>>153476
Strangely, no. There's like 1 or 2 decent rule34 pics of Sue x Peter, and not much more SFW ecchi stuff, despite the pairing's popularity. I also like that pairing, but in a different way than Sue x T'Challa: Peter was always one of my fave heroes, and he's a "normal guy" kind of character you associate with. Sue x Peter's relationship could be sweet, fun and wacky, with Sue taking the role of the more mature one of the couple. I'd think there would be no cheating involved (maybe Sue has divorced Reed, or smth), just cute and funny couple hijinx

Some more crazy ideas:
>How about a tattoo? She could make it early in the story (e.g., after they meet again in New York), as a symbol of her devotion to BP. Might be interesting how she hides it from Reed or explains it to him. Dunno if it fits Sue's character, though, and this fetish is already partly covered by the necklace/choker idea, so maybe it's superfluous
>It's very hot when a girl wears a guy's shirt after a night of sex. Maybe on her future visit to Wakanda, Sue could wear one of T'Challa's royal robes after sex? While cooking him a small breakfast. BP's costume is too tight and unwieldy for that thing
>In the cartoon episode (where this screenshot >>153434 is from) T'Challa calls the FF (including Sue) his "prey". In the cartoon, Sue was the most angry to be called that. Maybe in our story, he could also call her his "prey" (and she could also call herself that), but in a playful sexual sense?
>How about a scene during Sue's life in Wakanda, when BP meets with one of his fellow African rulers (may be from another fictional Marvel African country), and introduces Sue as his consort? Sue may be turned on by this, her still being a married woman but here officially introduced as consort to T'Challa
>Picrelated is a gizmo the FF (including Sue) use to chat with distant characters (including T'Challa). It could be used in the stories. Maybe she could even dress sexy for such a conversation, or start undressing/masturbating? Btw, in picrelated Sue chats with T'Challa (who lent her money on fixing the Baxter Building) some time after the "death" of Reed. I just love how Sue is dressed here: 90s boob window costume, a hard hat and a short open jacket. She looks like a "sexy costruction worker" Halloween costume!

>>153490
Yeah, I think the collar does the same job or even better, especially if we make so that she never takes it off and is big and tight to her body. We can even make it so that it covers her entire neck area, but because of "Wakanda science" its super light, flexible, and comfortable, almost like she is not wearing it.

They "prey" concept has also been mention or hinted at in her costume, but I supposed it can made more blatant, same goes for the consort naming thing.

Quick doodle. Black Panther ambushes his favorite "prey" right after a FF mission. The "prey" doesn't seem to mind

>>153515
Love the size and body type differences

Does she go back to the team right after a quick fuck, cum running down her leg and hoping that nobody notices?

As soon as she arrives to Baxter Building she immediately switches to "loving wife and a tender caring mother" mode, and yet underneath her high-tech suit she is absolutely soaked in sexual fluids and sweat.

I think that would be a pretty sexy and depraved little moment

>>153517
Hell, I think we can take it even farther still, but it could be a bit much, you guys tell me.

So here it goes, what if her second suit(The Black Panther looking one) has specially nano tech that allows it to create two moving dildos on the inside, a perfect replica of T'Challa's dick, a dick that Susan at that point is totally addicted to and even like worships when their sex gets wild.

I can even be something that she insisted on, and in fact can only be activated with her powers, nobody but Susan and T'Challa know that at any give moment she can be getting double penetrated.

Almost Symbiote like, and a perfect fit.


I don't know, I think its sexy, but also rather stupid.

All this talk about cum-drenched outfits has made think of two things I would like to see in this story.

The first one being a picture that makes a homage to this classic image, only with Sue's classic FF costume in the trash, possibly covered in cum, and she walking away in her new Black Panther inspired one.


The second thing is something to do with her wedding dress, and I'm guessing this moment would happen very much towards to end of the story.

As she is about to marry Black Panther in a Wakandan ceremony, she is having cold feet, not about her affair of course, since it would have been going on for years by then, but about actually making it official.

Here is where we found out that she has a secret compartment with all sort of items that reminds her of home and family, since I'm assuming she is saying at Wakanda or the embassy during this time.
But just as we think she is going to call it off, we also see that she also kept her ruined wedding dress and pictures of that wild night in the same place, somehow maintained as "fresh" as when it was first soiled.
The sight, smell, and feel of that completely defiled dress is just too much for her, she simply can't deny her lust, and so it makes the decision for her.

>>153517
This can also be somewhat of a cool reveal, perhaps at the beginning of the next chapter when she finally sleeps with Black Panther.
We open with Susan acting strangely when arriving from her meeting with BP, she is still being the caring mother and loving wife, but something is a bit off, and she is somewhat desperate to take a bath. As soon as she enters the bathroom and takes her costume off, we find out that she is covered in sweat and cum, with hickies and spanking marks on her ass.
And then we find out how that happened with the rest of the story.

>>153518
Maybe it can just be a couple of dildos that she made a cast of Black Panther's penis.

Experimenting with costumes
Tried to do the v3 to >>153338 v1 and >>153340 v2
Also, tried to design the middle part as a stylized panther's maw
Maybe I went a bit overboard with the skimpiness, I don't know
The hairdo is actually her Dora Milaje look, so it may not actually be with this costume

>>153517
Thanks!
>As soon as she arrives to Baxter Building she immediately switches to "loving wife and a tender caring mother" mode, and yet underneath her high-tech suit she is absolutely soaked in sexual fluids and sweat.
UNF
>>153518
Hm, I think it could be unconnected to the suit, just a pair of hi-tech vibranium dildos BP gave to her. It could be a one-time event, when she decides to wear them under the costume. Maybe not on a mission (would be rather uncomfortable, I bet), but e.g. to a gathering of superheroes
>>153528
>The first one being a picture that makes a homage to this classic image, only with Sue's classic FF costume in the trash, possibly covered in cum, and she walking away in her new Black Panther inspired one.
Hm, would be interesting I guess
I think as soon as we settle upon a certain design of the suit, I'll try to doodle it
>But just as we think she is going to call it off, we also see that she also kept her ruined wedding dress and pictures of that wild night in the same place, somehow maintained as "fresh" as when it was first soiled.
I think keeping it "fresh" is improbable – and unnecessary. She could just maintain it clean – but torn. When she sees it again, and sees the pictures, the memories will flood back to her, about just how it was torn and what happened at that time
>We open with Susan acting strangely when arriving from her meeting with BP, she is still being the caring mother and loving wife, but something is a bit off, and she is somewhat desperate to take a bath. As soon as she enters the bathroom and takes her costume off, we find out that she is covered in sweat and cum, with hickies and spanking marks on her ass.
>And then we find out how that happened with the rest of the story.
That sounds like an interesting idea, but of course, the decision is for A Certain Liar to make

>>153538
I like how skimpy and lewd this costume is, of course I don't see how it work as something she would regular wear as a superhero in NY.

Could this maybe be her costume for when she is in Wakanda or the embassy acting as a T'Challa's bodyguard/consort?
I think that would work.

Anyway, I think the mouth works but maybe could stand to be a bit more stylized, but I do really dig the gloves and boots looking like panther paws. I like all the jewelry too.

I also would love to see Reed's reaction to it, especially when he already thinks it is incredibly revealing, but is even more socked as soon as she turns around.

>Ass jiggling as she walks in front of him

>>153540
>>153538
I tried to keep the spirit of this costume, but also making it a bit more presentable and practical for accomplishing her duties as a superhero.

At this point her devotion has shifted towards Black Panther, and thus the colors and symbols represent that, the FF emblem is also no longer a part of her attire.

I made her collar more like jewelry but also integrated with the costume.

I think it turned out pretty well, the panther fangs, nose, and eyes are still there but more stylized


Anyway, I hope that we actually get to see this in story form, I'm very curious on the conversation between her and Reed regarding her various costume choices, and how she convinces him that there is nothing going on other than interest in Wakanda culture.
Especially because of the idea that she almost wanting to get caught, and the hints that she keeps dropping regarding her and Black Panther.

>I think it could be unconnected to the suit, just a pair of hi-tech vibranium dildos BP gave to her. It could be a one-time event, when she decides to wear them under the costume. Maybe not on a mission (would be rather uncomfortable, I bet), but e.g. to a gathering of superheroes
That would be super hot actually, she trying to have a conversation with She-Hulk or Wasp, while two massive dildos are fucking her underneath her new suit.

>I think keeping it "fresh" is improbable – and unnecessary. She could just maintain it clean – but torn. When she sees it again, and sees the pictures, the memories will flood back to her, about just how it was torn and what happened at that time
Yeah, I guess you are right, there was just something really lewd about Susan taking that dress out once and while and deeply inhaling it while she furiously masturbates.

Yeah, I like the idea of Susan keeping the wedding dress after that very wild night.

In fact she should treat almost as an artifact in the level of care, clean and on a mannequin in her embassy room. Of course the dress is torn and ruined, but that's the point, she keeps it as a memento of her old life but also a testament of new one.

Not to mention it just turns her on immensely just to look at it.

>>153554
The panther's mouth looks like its closed in that particular costume

>Sue has finally been fully devoured.

So, this is her "first anal" outfit which is also the one she uses when acting as an "ambassador"
>>153233

And this is her "Wakanda wedding" one
>>153196

Right?

>>153515

Right-click, save as...

As for lewd writings, I might have something new for you guys after the weekend. (Weekends are a busy time for me, unfortunately.)

So, I decided to start redesigning from square one. First of all, I've checked BP's history, and it turns out he's moved to New York much earlier than I first thought – and much earlier than the Wakandan embassy opened! He moved to New York in May 1968 – almost 2 years after his Wakandan affair with Sue (which took place in September 1966). I'll try to whip up a comprehensive timeline, which I hope may be helpful to A Certain Liar, too.
So as I said, I started back at square one. Here's Sue's costume she wore during the time of her first meeting with BP. I'll start corrupting from here, I think (to be continued)

>>153540
>I like how skimpy and lewd this costume is, of course I don't see how it work as something she would regular wear as a superhero in NY.
Heh, I think I agree.
>Ass jiggling as she walks in front of him
Yeah, I think I'd incorporate elements of this into the ambassador costume, just for this fun scene. It could be classy-sexy from the front, while being completely stripperrific from the back
>>153554
I like it! Except, the upside-down fangs make it look more like a boar than a panther, maybe reverse them?
>>153556
Hm, the mannequin could also work, but maybe just keeping it in a drawer as a memento is more realistic
>>153559
I like this symbolism!
>>153560
the "first anal" is >>153229
a draft for "ambassador" is >>153233
"wakandan wedding" is >>153196

>>153563
>As for lewd writings, I might have something new for you guys after the weekend.
Fuck yeah!
Just note, as I said earlier, I just found out BP was back in New York 2 years later, not ~10 years later like I thought earlier. As I said, I'll try to whip up a comprehensive timeline of related 616 events asap so you could use it

>>153578
>I like it! Except, the upside-down fangs make it look more like a boar than a panther, maybe reverse them?
I did but it doesn't look as good, plus like someone mentioned, this way it gives the impression that the panther has it's mouth closed. You are welcomed to alter it if you want though, I'm not an artist or anything.

Anyway, I think my take on the ambassador outfit came out alright, I didn't know just how see-through it was supposed to be though.

Does T'Challa have a special name/title he is refereed to by his subordinates, perhaps something in his native language?

I think it would be appropriate if Susan calls him that at some point, although, I guess she just calling him "My King" would also work. It would be tricky if Reed is present when she calls him that in English I suppose, unless she just passes it off as being traditional or something.

I wonder if Ororo Munroe would have an inverse relationship. T'challa spends more time with his Ambassador (and Storm basically knows their history so she's not utterly oblivious) So since she's as freewheeling as Sue she starts spending more time with Reed.

The miniskirt outfit: canonically the first specifically sexy outfit designed by Sue.

>>153583
I like the design of your ambassador outfit. Though I never imagined it as being _that_ transparent, just a bit. I think it'd work better if tthe ambassador outfit was just slightly transparent (the way a classy evening dress could be), while the "Wakandan wedding" outfit would be blatantly transparent. It could be a gradual progression of lewdness that way
>>153590
Not that I've heard of. But I'm not too knowledgeable in Wakandan culture, so maybe there exists such a term, haven't been able to find it, though
As for "My King", it's quite a common expression, I doubt Reed would even bat an eye at it, though of course for Sue this expression would hold a double meaning... She could say it with a specific intonation, to imply (to anyone who isn't as clueless as Reed) that double meaning

Timeline of Sue/BP-related events in 616 (part 1):
>1966 July-September
1st story
>1966 November
Sue (together with the FF) talks to BP for the first time since their meeting (on videophone), They thank him for sending Reed vibranium bracers to help defeat Klaw. Maybe he also secretly sent her a vibranium dildo?
>1967 March
Sue talks to BP for the second time, on videophone. This time, it seems she was talking to him alone, and she tells Reed and Ben to shut up as BP is telling something useful. Note that Sue(!) is telling Reed(!) to shut up(!) because someone else is telling something more important(!)
>1967 November
It is revealed that Sue is pregnant. BP meets with Johnny and Ben for the first time since Wakanda, but Sue is back home with Reed who is worried for her. Btw, BP has just purchased a tropical island (dunno where it’s situated) that he renames “Panther Island”. Anyhow, Sue’s still in action. She even designs a miniskirted version of her uniform that same month, “to surprise Reed” (later the same day she created it, she put on blue leggings underneath it for some reason, and wore it that way ever since). Maybe she actually designed it for BP? Maybe when she learned that she missed a long-awaited meeting with BP by accident, she decides she must make the next meeting count. So she creates a sexy uniform to please T’Challa to show off her sexy legs when (if) they meet again. Btw, when Sue turns invisible just as Reed enters the room (she didn’t want him to see her new suit yet), he starts imitating jealousy and suspiciousness, supposedly to amuse Ben – or maybe it wasn’t 100% imitation? Maybe he actually does suspect something or has noticed some suspicious behavior of his wife, and now just plays out his secret thoughts? And another note, after Ben and Sue playfully defeat Reed, he semi-jokingly mopes that it’s difficult for a rubber guy to maintain his dignity. Maybe possibility for a double entendre? As a final thought, I’d suggest to have Sue and BP meet this month (because later she’d be deeper into her pregnancy, and I think their first vaginal sex shouldn’t be while she’s visibly pregnant). The order of events could be like this: Sue misses meeting with T’Challa, she decides she needs to meet him now before she gets more pregnant, she designs a miniskirt uniform to make that meeting count, they meet on Panther Island and have their first vaginal sex among the lush tropical scenery, he gifts her the panther necklace, Reed sees some suspicious actions on Sue’s part, then the scene with “jokingly” jealous Reed plays out. After the latter scene, btw, Reed could be convinced that his jealousy was misguided, that Sue was just hiding her new costume she made to surprise him.
>1968 February
Sue starts getting weak because of her pregnancy, Reed decides to quit together with her.
>1968 March
Reed joins back the action, but forbids Sue to do the same. Since then, Sue is off-duty while the boys are away fighting evil. Crystal looks after her.
>1968 May
BP goes to the USA and joins the Avengers, starts wearing a half-mask for some reason. I think Sue and BP could find some time when Crystal is away, to have some kinky pregnant sex. Maybe Sue’s the kind of woman who gets more sexually aroused when pregnant? In any case, bearing Reed’s child while wearing T’Challa’s necklace, the sign of her “belonging” to him (even more if she fucks him while pregnant) – this may get Sue very horny. Maybe that’s when she gets the idea to redesign her costume to include BP elements – to continue on the surface to be a faithful wife, but secretly proclaiming another man in her life.
>1968 September
BP dons full mask again.
>1968 November
Franklin is born.
>1969 January
Sue and BP officially meet for the first time since Wakanda (secretly, of course, they could’ve met a lot of times before). They meet at the wedding of Wasp and Yellowjacket. It’s an interesting story in itself, as Jan is marrying the guy who claims to have killed her long-time fiance Goliath! And unlike her (supposedly) late ex-fiance, who was engaged to her for a long time, she wastes no time with this villain, and marries him after knowing him for a very short time! And in contrast to, e.g., Crystal who is shocked by this situation, Sue (who is, I think, the maid of honor) is showing full support to Jan, while smiling rather mischievously. Of course, it’s later explained that YJ is actually Goliath who had a temporary schizo personality change. Jan tells everyone she totally knew he was Goliath all along – after he forced a kiss on her! So to recap, a masked villain who defeated and possibly killed her long-time fiance, forces a kiss one her, she decides she’s 100% sure he’s Goliath in disguise, and decides to quickly marry him. Note that she doesn’t tell him to remove his mask to prove her suspicions, or even tell him that she thinks he’s Goliath, neither does she tell anything to anyone else. Did she tell the truth, or did she actually have no suspicions about YJ being Goliath, and was just horny for villain cock? Anyway, returning to Sue. Sue didn’t know YJ is Goliath either! So here she is, supporting a heroine who looks like was quickly seduced by another man than her fiance – a mysterious villain who defeated her fiance no less! What if Sue sees something in common in Jan’s story? Anyway, since Sue and BP could theoretically hook up during the wedding in some secluded room, maybe it’d be hot to explore Sue’s thoughts about Jan’s controversial wedding choice, and the similarities to her own affair with T’Challa?
>1969 May
Sue is officially back in action, she dons her old pre-miniskirt costume. But in our reality, she could don the BP-style FF suit v.1! And explain her newfound interest in Wakandan culture to Reed, etc.
(to be continued)

>>153592
She could... but there's the harsh reality of both me and A Certain Liar being big Storm x Thor fanboys, so I'm afraid chances of her hookup with Reed happening aren't very high, sorry

>>153593
I appreciate the amount of effort you are putting into forming a comprehensible timeline and keeping this secret affair as canon as possibly, kudos, sir.

I'm also loving the canon costumes that you are making, while giving us a behind the scenes look on Susan's secret motivations for design them.

I'm also in support for the idea of Susan having an affair with T'Challa while pregnant with Reed's son, too lewd to pass up.

>>153593
>I think it'd work better if tthe ambassador outfit was just slightly transparent (the way a classy evening dress could be), while the "Wakandan wedding" outfit would be blatantly transparent. It could be a gradual progression of lewdness that way
Yeah, I think that makes the most sense, I love the idea of Sue gradually become more and more "corrupted" and getting bolder in her actions and attire.
Also, at that the "Wakanda wedding" she is giving herself fully to BP and so baring it all for another man in front of her husband would be the last barrier she needs to break.

>Maybe he also secretly sent her a vibranium dildo?
That could be a fun and sexy moment

>Maybe she actually designed it for BP? Maybe when she learned that she missed a long-awaited meeting with BP by accident, she decides she must make the next meeting count. So she creates a sexy uniform to please T’Challa to show off her sexy legs when (if) they meet again
I like this idea a lot, it incorporates a canon outfit into the story pretty seamlessly, while at the same time showing that the reason for the change is her lust for BP

>Sue is officially back in action, she dons her old pre-miniskirt costume. But in our reality, she could don the BP-style FF suit v.1! And explain her newfound interest in Wakandan culture to Reed, etc.
I love this, I hope you also redo my design for the BP-style FF suit, while I was pretty happy with the panther face cleavage thing, I'm not very confident with the rest of it.

Also, I think pregnant sex could be pretty hot assuming it doesn't get too extreme.

>>153594
Yea I got a thing for that couple too

There is always She-Hulk near part of the family anyway as often she's been an backup member.

Are you guys going to do the classic "fucking the other guy while having the husband or boyfriend on the phone" that is so popular in hentai and pornos?

Although I guess the FF use video, right?

Timeline part 2 (note that I changed what may have happened in May 1969 a bit):
>1969 May
Sue is officially back in action, in 616 she dons her old pre-miniskirt costume. In our reality, she is bolder and is more confident in her femininity (due to being lusted after and appreciated by BP). So she designs a sexy mixture between two of her previous costumes (I’ll post the design soon), and starts to wear the Panther Choker. Why not a BP-themed suit v1, as I wrote earlier? Because it makes sense in the timeline – read on!
>1969 November
Reed is a jerk again, and leaves Sue at home (to take care of the baby – note he didn’t leave e.g. Crystal), while he, Johnny and Crystal go search for Ben. Luckily, Sue knows how to keep herself from boredom at such times…
>1970 January
Reed decides not to be a jerk anymore, and they find a nanny for Franklin. Sue is now completely back in action. Maybe Reed had some suspicions about what happens when he leaves Sue alone?..
>1970 February
BP saves a girl called Monica Lynne, and they begin a relationship. I suppose, in our world, they’ll remain just friends?
>1970 March
New York is split over the issue of race, because BP is framed for crimes he didn’t commit on national television. Turns out a villain wanted to use these racial tensions to help the fight for black rights. BP reasons that while the villain is evil for using evil means, his cause was just, and BP will fight for this cause. So I think, maybe this time of vocal opinions will be a better time for Sue to get a sudden interest in African/Wakandan culture.
>1970 April
The FF are on vacation, and Sue wears a ravishing black swimsuit (picrelated), which actually looks very BP-themed! And it’s canon! Note that Reed is jokingly(?) acting jealous again… maybe Sue did do some “cavorting” with BP while the boys were gone?.. Maybe this is actually Sue’s first bold BP-themed design – her first attempt of wearing something that secretly proclaims her connection to BP, around Reed? She starts with small steps, so she first designs a BP-themed swimsuit to see how it goes. The bolder move, a redesigned FF uniform, will follow next. Maybe BP compliments her swimsuit design, and she decides to do the same but with her uniform next
>1970 May
Nevermind. Despite the nanny, Reed leaves Sue alone again, as the boys go to the Moon. Maybe Sue uses this opportunity to “get back at Reed”, by donning the BP-redesigned costume v1! It’s fitting that the first person to see her in this costume would be BP, who comes to keep Sue company.
>1970 June
And this time, Reed takes Sue with him and Ben, even though she wanted to stay with the baby. I see a pattern in Reed’s actions… BP has now a civilian identity, a school teacher named Luke Charles.
>1970 July-August
BP is captured by villains.
>1970 October
Reed is being overprotective yet again, leaving both Sue and Crystal with Franklin while the men go fight Namor. But Sue secretly goes to the nanny and leaves Franklin with her – a sign she’s stopped following Reed’s orders, and can make her own decisions, sometimes in secret to Reed! Later, Sue and Namor’s new wife are captured by Magneto (the FF and Namor free them next month). BP starts taking more time away from the Avengers, supposedly to support his civilian identity. Maybe earlier this month (before Sue is captured) Reed forgets that it’s their 5 year anniversary (real time, at least), and the “wedding dress sex” happens? Or should we leave it to the 10 year anniversary (October 1975)? I’d suggest the latter (Sue isn’t yet as depraved as I’d want her to be by the time of the wedding dress sex), but anyway.
>1970 December
Sue indulges in a major clothes shopping spree (Christmas shopping?), contemplating if she should choose “midis or minis”. She says it’s the first time she shopped for clothes since her maternity leave – but, at least in our story, that just means that during that time she designed and created clothes herself. Maybe she also shops for materials for new designs (including a v2 BP-themed FF suit redesign)?

also,
some additions to the previous part of the timeline:
>1967 August
Reed tells Sue the famous “Wives should be kissed – and not heard” line (in response to Sue being angry about having to be superhero 24/7)
>1967 October
Reed “orders” Sue to stay home with Crystal because the mission is dangerous, probably the first time it’s happened.

>>153622

I really like that you are doing this timeline, of course I don't see our writer friend following it to the letter, but there is some good structure and references he could use if he wanted.

And yeah, I do like the swimming suit being her first small step into designing her look more in theme with Black Panther's.

Also, yeah, the wedding dress sex must be much later, since by that particular event Sue should be almost fully devoted to BP and her lust being at an all time high, not to mention she would have still need to lose her anal virginity before then.

>Sue is officially back in action, in 616 she dons her old pre-miniskirt costume. In our reality, she is bolder and is more confident in her femininity (due to being lusted after and appreciated by BP). So she designs a sexy mixture between two of her previous costumes (I’ll post the design soon), and starts to wear the Panther Choker. Why not a BP-themed suit v1, as I wrote earlier? Because it makes sense in the timeline – read on!
I'm really enjoying your recreation of her old costumes in chronological order while also plans of implementing the ones designed here, looking forward to them.

v.0 – the first new FF suit design, yet not BP-themed yet. As I said, in our universe Sue would feel more confident and appreciated, so after ending her maternity leave, she combines her two previous suit designs into this sexy number. It shows even more than her miniskirted suit, yet isn't quite stripperrific yet. Though BP will surely comment on how great her shapely ass looks in it. She also incorporates the Panther Choker as the costume's collar. It may be a bold move for her, especially if we consider that she's wearing her wedding ring under the suit, but this gift from T'Challa (which, as someone said, can be compared to an engagement ring) – prominently in view.
Her next design is the black BP-themed swimsuit showed in the pic in my previous post; and then she'll create the first BP-themed FF suit (v.1).

>>153595
>I appreciate the amount of effort you are putting into forming a comprehensible timeline and keeping this secret affair as canon as possibly, kudos, sir.
Thanks! I'm doing this because I think there are some interesting story opportunities which may be used. And it's somewhat hot if it's close to canon, like we're seeing some secret "behind the scenes" stuff.
Though it's up to A Certain Liar if he wants to use this stuff. And if he decides to ditch it all and do a completely non-canon story – I'd be totally fine with it, as long as we get a hot sexy tale of Sue and T'Challa fucking around!
>I'm also loving the canon costumes that you are making
I did 2 of her canon costumes, since it's from where the redesigns will be stemming. From now on, it'll be only new costumes
>>153596
>I love this, I hope you also redo my design for the BP-style FF suit, while I was pretty happy with the panther face cleavage thing, I'm not very confident with the rest of it.
I'll get to it quite soon. Of course, I'll be basing it on your design, though I may offer my take on it.
>>153609
Shulkie is a fun character! But doesn't she sleep with half of the Marvel Universe? Though, she and Reed could have an open relationship – at least, a loving wife who's open about how she's satisfying her sex needs while her husband's busy with science, is definitely an improvement from a cheating wife who secretly sleeps with another man and always makes a choice between the two men. Maybe it could happen in the epilogue? (as a kind of happy end for Reed)
>>153610
That's a very hot fetish, I'll admit. But, I dunno, Sue's powers lend themselves to more daring variations of that plot (e.g., the scene in part 1 when Sue's talking to Reed with her mouth full of cum and an invisible BP standing nearby)! Compared to that, just talking on the phone while sucking/fucking seems pretty tame haha
However, maybe when Sue leaves to Wakanda as an ambassador, she'll have a videochat with Reed, while off-screen giving BP a handjob or smth. And then BP could videochat with Reed, while off-screen Sue is sucking his cock or fucking him. And they decide Sue won't use any of her powers, just to make it all more daring and dangerous! I think, that may work.

>>153626
Rally like suit, it feels quite retro and conventional, but a bit more sexy in its design, with Sue getting more daring in the amount of skin being show. Its nothing compared to her famous 90s costume, but certainly a bit more than what she usually likes to show off.

I do however prefer when the choker or necklace is a bit more noticeable and closer to the neck, just taking more neck space overall and being bolder about her affair, this one feels a bit too low key.

Maybe she can later get another one that is more blatant to the fact?

Anyway, keep it up.

Please tell me you are also designing the "first anal" costume.

Is it going to be like that one sort of joke sketch you did before, or something else.

For some reason I'm thinking something more like this >>153351 for easy access and teasing, but I guess the other one works too.

Anything she ends up wearing its a must that it highlights her bare ass, as very much an offering to her new man.

In our universe, the BP-themed swimsuit may be a bit more daring (as Sue is more bold and confident in her sexuality). Especially with our Sue being a bit more generously endowed than she's drawn in canon... The bigger cleavage will also help BP easily reach with his strong hands under the fabric and caress Sue's soft breasts, as she melts from his touches.
Reed may not like that his wife will become the talk of the beach, with a lot of men ogling her front and back cleavage, but doesn't stop her. Maybe the people have also seen her talking with a mysterious black stranger, and them leaving somewhere together (and of course, start to make scandalous assumptions). Sue may explain to Reed that it was just a random acquaintance (no one in the crowd knows T'Challa's face, since he's not well known in the USA without the BP mask).
Note the ornament on the hat – it's actually there in canon. It resembles an ethnic-style ornament; and doesn't it look like a stylized panther's maw with teeth? Especially, combined with the black color of the hat (black fur vs red maw). And I like how the aggressive red color works here, I think I'll definitely add it in one of Sue's BP-themed costumes (in addition to the main black-gold scheme).

>>153627
>Its nothing compared to her famous 90s costume, but certainly a bit more than what she usually likes to show off.
Remember, it's just her first step... The swimsuit (picrelated) is already much bolder.
>>153627
>I do however prefer when the choker or necklace is a bit more noticeable and closer to the neck, just taking more neck space overall and being bolder about her affair, this one feels a bit too low key.
I just used the already existing collar line from her FF suit. Could you maybe post a link to a picture of a collar that looks like what you explained? That would help
>>153630
>Please tell me you are also designing the "first anal" costume.
Yes, though I don't yet know when in the timeline it's going to take place.
>Is it going to be like that one sort of joke sketch you did before, or something else.
>For some reason I'm thinking something more like this >>153351 for easy access and teasing, but I guess the other one works too.
Actually, as ridiculous as it sounds, I like the lewd symbolism of Sue allowing T'Challa to stick his cock through the "4" emblem to sodomize her. Although, I guess, the same symbolism could be done with the 90s costume boobwindow, and a boobjob. Though a boobjob isn't as rough and kinky as anal...
Though I understand that the asswindow looks just plain ridiculous. Something like the "barbarian" dress you linked to, will be more logical.

Also,
>>153625
>of course I don't see our writer friend following it to the letter, but there is some good structure and references he could use if he wanted.
That's exactly was my motive! I just collected it all, highlighted the interesting events and plots, and added some of my thoughts, so that he could use it as he sees fit. Maybe use some, maybe not, he's the writer! Having read part 1, I know for sure I'll enjoy the stories he'll created, regarless of their canonicity.

Btw, just found these links: http://www.plaidstallions.com/lingerie/ http://www.plaidstallions.com/lingerie/kesman.html http://www.plaidstallions.com/lingerie/part3.html
Dayum, that's a lot of Sue redesign ideas there! How did the 70s manage to be more lewd than the modern day?

Pic is an awesome steampunk Sue redesign I found. I'd want to see this high society lady Sue meet a "noble savage" T'Challa

>>153632
>I like the lewd symbolism of Sue allowing T'Challa to stick his cock through the "4" emblem to sodomize her.
Well, when you put it that way it does sound incredibly hot, and I do also think that they should be having a fun time when taking this big step for Sue, it would make the story more enjoyable and show that they love their kinky with a sense of humor.

>Could you maybe post a link to a picture of a collar that looks like what you explained? That would help
Well, it doesn't have to look exactly like this, I mean, I would imagine her's would have more gold and panther iconography for example, but I really like the way something like this looks.

Its has a certain fancy jewelry feel to it, but also sexy in the way it covers the neck.
Anyway, maybe get rid of the front ring or make it less obvious, so that it doesn't have sexual connotations?
Then again, maybe Sue gets off on that, and wants people to see.

>>153637
I do love some of those lingerie, maybe use it as a inspiration for her "ambassador" attire?

>>153642
The necklace given to her by Black Panther should be made out Vibranium, perfect way to directly link her to him.

>>153642
Adding a panther head and putting the ring in it's mouth, would make the necklace look like one of those old door knockers, which I think look pretty cool.

Will T'Challa's "Man without Fear" Stint be included? Would Sue be with him in Hell's Kitchen or would that be when she "comes out" as the interim Black Panther nailing her relationship with T'challa? Be another one of those trippy covers "Meet the New Black Panther"

Well, for a really sexy and revealing "ambassador" dress that leaves nothing to the imagination, while still being considered super classy, you don't need to go very far.

Here is Jaimie Alexander at the Thor 2 premier, so yeah, I don't think you are going to find something that meets the criteria better than this.

>>153663
that's pretty good, lewd at the right angle.

>>153662
Scratch that going with comics it would be "Meet the New Protector of Wakanda."

The Wakanda-themed FF suit (v1.0) that I described as possibly being created in 1970 May.
In the timeline I suggested, Sue got interested in Wakandan culture during the heightened political discussions in 1970 March (when BP was framed for some crimes, and racial tensions ran high). That's probably when she designed both the black swimsuit (>>153632) and the v1.0 FF suit redesign. They both feature Wakandan ethnic motives, though the v1.0 suit is more ethnic. Note that it isn't BP-themed, just generally Wakanda-themed. Why? Because Sue is still wary that someone (especially, Reed) will put two and two together, if she redesigns her FF suit with a BP theme. Still, redesigning her FF suit with a Wakanda theme is still a daring move. It's still a message of honoring her secret affair, but at the same time she can always use the "interest in Wakandan culture" excuse.
This suit is more skimpy, but of course it's not the limit. I used various ethnic and alien female costumes from Marvel comics of the era as inspiration.
Note the Panther Choker. It's a black (presumably, leather) collar with vibranium (the light blue parts) elements. It has a panther head sculpture in the front, studs/spikes that make it look like an animal's collar, and a ring at the back. Sue will ask her King to tie a leash made out of finest silk to the ring, and when T'Challa holds the leash, she would obey every command of her King. Note: the gold (yellow) jewelry isn't part of the collar, they're independent necklaces.

>>153720
I like it, but I think its too skimpy and daring for it being the next outfit in the whole "corruption" of Sue, especially coming from this one. >>153626

It also seem rather impractical for everyday use as a superhero I think, too ceremonial looking and designed.

I could maybe see this being something she would wear at a charity event or something to promote US/Wakanda relations, particularly because of the racial tensions you mentioned, you know like a publicity stunt or something like that.

However, as her new official "FF" outfit it just seem like too much of a departure, at least at this point in the story.

And this is the suitless version of v1.0 that Sue and BP may use in the bedroom

>>153642
>shiniez
You have good taste, dear sir!
>>153662
>>153675
Dunno when I get to it, I'm still at the 70s haha
>>153663
I like this concept. Maybe a transparent black dress with a non-transparent sideways growling panther head (like on the Wakandan flag) covering her breasts? I'll try to whip up something soon

BP-themed FF suit v2.0. Now it's BP-themed, not just Wakanda-themed. It's based on v1.0, but has more black parts, and the middle resembles a panther head with an open maw.
In the timeline I suggested, Sue created it to greet BP who was absent for several months. Sue missed sex with BP so much, she just didn't care what would others think, and created this blatantly BP-themed FF suit redesign. She wore it for only 2 months, but BP's reaction and sex still made it worth it. Note the FF emblem being relegated to the back while the panther maw is at the front, as a sign of Sue's brazenness.

>1971 April
Reed leaves Sue alone again as the men go into the Negative Zone, Sue is left watching them on screen. Maybe she’d have some kinky sex with BP, while the action goes on the screen? Later the same month, BP receives word of his regent dying, and contemplates returning to Wakanda to become king (he makes the decision, and leaves for Wakanda in May). Maybe the aforementioned sex in front of the screen is a farewell gift from Sue?
>1972 January
Crystal is mind-controlled by a villain, turns against Johnny. She’s wearing a revealing ethnic-themed dress. Maybe in our universe, it’ll give Sue some design ideas?..
>1972 February
BP is captured in Africa. Reed sends only Johnny and Ben there, staying behind with Sue. Are there ulterior motives in Reed’s decision, is he trying to keep Sue from meeting BP? BP is freed, says he changed his name to “Black Leopard” (so that people won’t confuse him with the Black Panther party).
>1972 October
T’Challa arrives in New York to pose as Daredevil, and stays for a while – presumably, making up for the time spent away from Sue! And what a better way for Sue to greet a long-absent lover, than present BP-themed FF suit v2.0 (picrelated)! Sadly, she’ll only wear it for 2 months. Also, the impossible happens: Reed tries to leave Sue at home with Franklin again, but she disobeys! Sue and Reed argue.
>1972 November
BP (“Panther” again!) rejoins the Avengers once more (I like to think it’s Sue who told him last month, that the “Black Leopard” name is just ridiculous haha). Meanwhile, Sue and the FF are away on a mission to save Ben.
>1972 December
The FF returns, and almost immediately disbands because of the infighting between its members, all 4 members going separate ways. Sue may visit BP, who comforts her.
>1973 January
The FF get back together, but after the adventure Sue and Reed officially separate. Of course, we know who will comfort poor Sue.
>1973 March
Medusa takes Sue’s place on the FF. Maybe she “comforts” Reed? (the thought about the sex possibilities between a stretching man and a woman with prehensile hair is extremely kinky)
>1973 May
Sue and Franklin are in Pennsylvania at her female friend’s farm. Maybe BP visits her there? Later, Sue and the FF are captured by villains.
>1973 June
The FF free themselves, but Sue leaves again.
>1973 October-November
Sue’s still in Pennsylvania (leaves in November).
>1973 December
Reed infamously shoots Franklin and shuts off his mind. The FF disbands again because of this.
>1974 January
Sue drives back to Pennsylvania. Medusa comforts Reed again.
>1974 March
The FF is back again with Medusa in Sue’s place. Sue and Reed are still separated, Sue hates Reed for what he did.
>1974 June
In the original universe, Sue starts divorce proceedings. She tells the team she loves Namor and wants to stay with him. In our universe, BP would take Namor’s place, but with some changes (I’ll state some ideas how this may be handled below).
>1974 July
In the original universe, Namor attacks the surface world, with Sue by his side.
>1974 August
In the original universe, Sue gets back with Reed. Namor’s attack was revealed to be a plan to get Reed and Sue together. Next month, Franklin is back in action. Medusa’s still a member of the FF (Sue’s not, she’s just Reed’s wife). Meanwhile, BP leaves the Avengers, and prepares to return to Wakanda.

So, well, how could the Namor storyline be handled in our universe? First of all, I’d suggest to keep the main timeline and plot points of the story as much as possible. As in the original, Sue and Reed separate, Reed shoots Franklin, Sue starts hating him even more, etc. But there would be some changes. What could they be?
Firstly, Sue would fall into BP’s arms as soon as she separates with Reed. But as she’s still Reed’s wife (and she doesn’t hate Reed at that point), she decides to still keep their affair secret. Though they meet quite often, and maybe some fun scenes may be had where both of them try to hide their affair from the Avengers. Later, BP may visit her in Pennsylvania (imagining BP donning a corny 70s-style cowboy costume is funny).
After Reed shoots Franklin, Sue starts to hate him. In the original, this results in her going to Namor and deciding to divorce Reed and marry him, which turned out to be a plot by Namor to bring Reed and Sue back. In our universe, Sue will go to BP. Will she marry him? I think as in our universe she’s more confident and knows BP is attracted to her, she doesn’t need to rush things. She may have marriage on her mind, but maybe she first wants to see how things will work out with BP as a full-time partner instead of just a lover. But as she is still married to Reed, she’ll want to still keep their relationship secret. The solution? From January to August 1974 Sue will become BP’s superhero partner! With a new, BP-styled but not FF-styled costume, of course. Everyone will gossip and try to guess, do they or don’t they? Are they friends or lovers? They appear together, may hug or hold each other etc., but give no definite answer if they’re lovers or friends. This may make Reed angry, but not as angry as Namor’s blatant boasts in the original universe.
But how will it end then? Why won’t Sue just leave Reed for BP altogether? Well, BP may have started falling for Sue. He now would like Sue to choose him permanently, for a serious relationship. But he wants her to first come to terms about her feelings about Reed. And, as much as she hates Reed, some part of her still misses and loves him (shown in the original comic), and BP sees this. He also isn’t sure, if what Sue feels is just sexual attraction, if he’s just a hunk with a big cock to her, a welcome sexual change from her husband and nothing more?
So he decides to get them back, to give Reed and Sue another chance. Maybe he does something similar that Namor did, or something different. And leaves for Wakanda, leaving Sue to think about her feelings.
Okay, it’s not only drama-drama-drama. I think the drama angle may be explored lightly, just as a background. The Sue-BP partnership may have some fun and sexy moments. The new costume, the fun moments of hiding their relationship from the public, the intimate moments of living together. And the hot sex. This may be the time when Sue, as an act of defiance to Reed, lets BP take her anal virginity – something she has never let Reed do (and never intends to). Thus, the “first anal” costume comes into play. Both the “partner” and the “first anal” costumes should accentuate her ass, I think.

>>153721
Hmm, what do you think needs to be changed? Maybe cover the underboob? (it may be too daring at this point) Or should something else be changed? What do you suggest?

>>153730
>>153721
Maybe something like this? (based this partly on v2.0)

>>153730
Yeah, mostly the underboob, it seem way to early for that.

Maybe give her more of a Britney look like in the costume she used to wear back in the early 00s, you know with the belly shirt.

Maybe cover her legs but then show off her arms, have her playing around with showing skin before going all "native".

>>153731
Yeah, I think this works much better.

Maybe have her belly shirt even lower, just so that she is just barely started feeling comfortable showing her bare back and tummy with her FF costume.
Lets not forget that for the exception of the trashy 90s costume, she dressed pretty conservative while as a member of the Fantastic Four, showing very little skin.

I mean, if her very first Wakanda/Black Panther inspired costume shows off so much, then it kind of goes against with the whole theme that her secret affair is making Sue feel more daring with her body and sexuality.

It works better if the "corruption" is gradual.

>>153733
Thats is not to say that she doesn't like to dress sexy, as we have seen here as far as the 70s Sue liked to dressed hot and be sexy, however, not really when in costume.

Maybe we can play around with this idea, in that Sue feels that the team's uniform needs a certain level or respect and moral code, she being a rolemodel and the like.

However, as her lust grows and her sexual adventures get more and more lewd, she starts to let that influence(consciously or subconsciously) her superhero fashion sense, pretty similar in how the collar is part of her secret life and yet she wears it even when being a wife an mother.

Susan's lust starts to spill over her superhero life as well, and thus her costume reflect that, gradually of course.

The silly buttwindow fascinates me more and more...

>>153739
Damn, thats pretty hot...and yet funny

I think its perfect

>>153732
>>153733
>>153735
I think you're right, it's too big of a jump. Here's the latest version. I covered the belly and the back, but kept open the shoulders and thighs. However in v2.0 >>153729 she will open her belly and parts of back (so, v2.0 becomes like a mix between the black swimsuit and v1.0).

>>153733
>Lets not forget that for the exception of the trashy 90s costume, she dressed pretty conservative while as a member of the Fantastic Four, showing very little skin.
Actually, it's not completely true! Don't forget the miniskirt costume! While looking quite tame by today's standards, it was pretty revealing back then! The skirt was (canonically) very short, almost up to her panties. So Sue definitely wasn't against showing a lot of skin in her official FF costume, nor was she self-conscious about her body. She was a former Hollywood actress, after all.
My theory is, remember, canonically she designed her miniskirted costume for Reed. Reed's reaction was... well, like you can expect from Reed. Thus, Sue felt no incentive to experiment with uniform fashions anymore, treating it just like work duds. Thus, one of the most fashionable women in Marvel Universe, wore the same outfit for several decades! As you said:
>Thats is not to say that she doesn't like to dress sexy, as we have seen here as far as the 70s Sue liked to dressed hot and be sexy, however, not really when in costume.
Like I said, I suspect that in our universe, as her miniskirted costume got no appreciation from Reed, she started treating her FF uniform as just boring work duds. While still wearing sexy and skimpy dresses in civilian life – e.g., I was rereading an issue from the 70s, and it took place in the evening. There was Sue in what I thought was a nightie – but I was surprised to see it was actually an evening dress, as she and Reed decided to go out somewhere!
In our universe, though, Sue's designs were noticed and appreciated by a man whose opinion mattered very much to Sue. Thus, she felt more incentive to show off her body in different sexy ways. And since redesigning her FF uniform to please BP had an additional kink in it (the FF was her husband's team, after all), she definitely was motivated to do it.

>Maybe we can play around with this idea, in that Sue feels that the team's uniform needs a certain level or respect and moral code, she being a rolemodel and the like.
Hm, that's an interesting idea... I don't think it's so much "role model", as it's "family". The FF is a family after all, it's Sue's family. Thus, redesigning the FF uniform to please her lover could feel like "defiling" her faithfulness to her family, which may be a huge turn-on for her.

>>153743
I really like this, its presentable, and yet feel sexy in its design.
Its almost like sport like in feel.

>In our universe, though, Sue's designs were noticed and appreciated by a man whose opinion mattered very much to Sue. Thus, she felt more incentive to show off her body in different sexy ways. And since redesigning her FF uniform to please BP had an additional kink in it (the FF was her husband's team, after all), she definitely was motivated to do it.

Yeah, she definitely has more of an outlet here, and thus she allows herself to redesign her "work clothes" more in mind with her lover and new found sexuality.

>I don't think it's so much "role model", as it's "family". The FF is a family after all, it's Sue's family. Thus, redesigning the FF uniform to please her lover could feel like "defiling" her faithfulness to her family, which may be a huge turn-on for her.
Yeah, you nailed it, her uniform always felt like something wholesome, and thus "corrupting" it can provide her with some really exciting feelings.

>>153743
>>153731
>>153729
>>153722
>>153720
I know that you mentioned that the golden parts are not part of her collar but actually individual pieces, but for some reason I keep seeing something like this.

Not that there is anything wrong with it mind you, absolutely not, on the contrary, I think it makes it a lot hotter.

Those types of collar are associated with nobility and the like, but lately because of the S&M community, they have taken somewhat of a different meaning now as well.

I feel that we could just go all out and make make something like this, it certainly would represent the double meanings of nobility and bondage.

How can she wear it all the time comfortably and not letting it affect her mobility? Vibranium, thats all you need to know.

OR NOT

Maybe its just a bit much, I just felt the need to mention it.

>>153745
I like the idea of her friends and allies really taking notice of Susan wearing something as distinctive as that collar, especially since she started wearing it around the same time as she had been seen working a lot with Black Panther.

All of her girl friends gossiping about the predominant design and the Panther iconography, and how she never takes it off.

Reed at first thinking that is just Susan being a typical woman with her fashion, but then starts to get suspicious once she even starts wearing it to bed, and is often seen stroking and caressing it an almost sensual manner while distracted or deep in though.

>>153748
Then she leaves to be an ambassador and his musings pass as he goes into his work. Sue plunges on since he's apparently not caring to keep her back from T'challa

So, Sue's clothing evolution so far.

I think the fourth one could use more work actually, I think I liked the previous design with the two panther heads facing each other a bit better.
Maybe combine both? Because I think this one has a better back side for sure.

That being said, the third one where she is just starting to let her lust for T'Challa influence her uniform ended up looking great overall, pretty sleek design, not to revealing yet but still hot.

>>153744
Thanks! I think we can stick with it for now.
>>153745
It's hot, but I don't know if it fits Sue's or BP's style. It has a kind of old-timey high class style, something that would fit e.g. >>153637. Sue's style was always minimalistic (as is the FF's style in general), BP's style is ethnic/African
>>153748
>I like the idea of her friends and allies really taking notice of Susan wearing something as distinctive as that collar, especially since she started wearing it around the same time as she had been seen working a lot with Black Panther.
Note that, regardless of whether A Certain Liar would want to stick to the continuity, Sue will get it much earlier than she has a chance of working often with BP. Remember, Sue keeps her affair secret from everyone, so even when BP and Sue are both in New York and meet quite often, no one knows about it. So everyone will see just what is seen in canon: Sue meeting BP like ~5 times in decades. When she can start to be seen often with BP (e.g., when she and Reed separate, or when she becomes the ambassador), she would have worn the collar already for a long time.
However, the collar as it is, is pretty visible and distinctive, and bears a clear BP design. Everyone will make their own conclusions and suspicions, of course. There will be rumors, and that makes Sue very aroused. As you said:
>All of her girl friends gossiping about the predominant design and the Panther iconography, and how she never takes it off.
She, of course, officially insists that it's just a gift from her friend BP, and that she just likes how it looks on her.
>Reed at first thinking that is just Susan being a typical woman with her fashion, but then starts to get suspicious once she even starts wearing it to bed, and is often seen stroking and caressing it an almost sensual manner while distracted or deep in though.
I think Reed should be oblivious thoughout the whole storyline. He may get some small suspicions (as I noted, he often acts jealous, or jokingly jealous even in canon), but won't ever even start putting the pieces together. If he does, it's the end of the story, and we don't want it haha
>Then she leaves to be an ambassador and his musings pass as he goes into his work. Sue plunges on since he's apparently not caring to keep her back from T'challa
That's almost the end of her long sexual journey of seduction and breaking of moral barriers, it won't happen that fast haha

>>153750
>I think the fourth one could use more work actually
Now that I look at it, I agree. Maybe I'll try to do the "partner" costume, and work back from there, to make them different.
>I think I liked the previous design with the two panther heads facing each other a bit better.
>Maybe combine both? Because I think this one has a better back side for sure.
I think this one is too blatant, and Sue wouldn't have any excuse/explanation for the clearly visible panther maw. Maybe the head(s) need to be more stylized, something that could still pass as "interest in Wakandan culture".
>That being said, the third one where she is just starting to let her lust for T'Challa influence her uniform ended up looking great overall, pretty sleek design, not to revealing yet but still hot.
Thanks!

>pic
You've missed a couple!

Here's the list so far:
>1962 March
The old uniform Sue designed back in 1962 March issue 3. This is the uniform she wore during the FF's first encounter with BP, during their stay in Wakanda (1966 July-September), and more than a year after returning. In canon, she returned to this uniform after giving birth to Franklin, and wore it for decades. In our universe, of course, things would be different...
>1967 November
The miniskirted version. In canon, created to surprise Reed. In our universe, the incentive may be that Sue missed a possible meeting with BP by accident, and was determined to organize a meeting with him herself (possibly, on Panther Island), and make it count. In canon, Sue started wearing blue leggings under the skirt quite soon, in our universe she doesn't do it (she loved BP's compliments about her beautiful legs).
>1969 May
Sue's back in action from her maternity leave. In canon, she just dons the old 1962 uniform. In our universe, she creates an even sexier combination between her both previous uniforms. It's her first non-canon uniform redesign, it has no BP or Wakanda connotations yet (v0.0).
>1970 April
The canon black swimsuit. It looks Wakanda/BP-themed, and in our universe it's of course true. In our universe it's a bit more revealing, due to Sue's more confident and playful nature. While not a FF uniform, the swimsuit is Sue's first Wakanda/BP-themed design, and it serves as inspiration for future FF suit redesigns.
>1970 May
Wakanda-themed FF suit redesign (v1.0). Both it and the black swimsuit were probably designed and created in 1970 March, during the heated racial/political discussion, as support for BP and the black movement in general. Sue dons it in 1970 May to both, please BP, and as a way to get back at Reed who has left her alone again despite promising not to do so.
>1972 October
BP-themed FF suit (v2.0). Created and worn to greet BP for a long time apart (BP was in Wakanda for ~1.5 years). It's a defiant and bold redesign, partly due to arguments and distance between Sue and Reed at the time. Sue will wear it for 2-3 months, and then quit FF for a long time.

To do:
>1974 January
The "partner" suit. Sue becomes a superhero partner to BP, creating a superhero identity independent to the FF.
>1975 June
The "return" suit. Sue is a member of the FF again, and in our universe it means another FF suit redesign (v3.0). I already know how it will look like (courtesy of a pervy 1970s FF fan!)
>the "ambassador" costume
>the "consort" costume
>the "wakandan wedding" costume
and maybe
>the "first anal" costume

I am gone for one weekend and you guys post so much! I'm worried about letting you out of my sight again... and I have no idea where to begin chipping in my two cents, either.

The timeline is some really good work, very comprehensive, but I don't know if I'll cling to it that much in my writing. I'll probably tie in a little, but I sort of have my own views on where I want to go with the story. Not that I'm ignoring you guys or anything, I think it's super neat how you're getting into this and I love a whole bunch of your ideas. But I'm not married to the original continuity and I feel like my story would be better if it was true to the spirit of the comics rather than the letter.

>>153637

This image is doing idea things in my brain space... I told you guys I really love What Ifs and alternate reality tales...

>>153765
Yay! You're here! I was afraid we've scared you away with all our timeline silliness and costume design. Can't wait to read some more Sue's Wakanda Fever adventures

>The timeline is some really good work, very comprehensive, but I don't know if I'll cling to it that much in my writing. I'll probably tie in a little, but I sort of have my own views on where I want to go with the story. Not that I'm ignoring you guys or anything, I think it's super neat how you're getting into this and I love a whole bunch of your ideas. But I'm not married to the original continuity and I feel like my story would be better if it was true to the spirit of the comics rather than the letter.
No need to explain, of course it's your choice, you're the writer! We're all just spending time waiting for the next chapter, anyway haha
Btw, it was actually your fault hehe You said you had an idea about Secret Wars, and it got me interested, what other canon events could be used as background for Sue x T'Challa stories! And it evolved into this timeline search somehow

>This image is doing idea things in my brain space... I told you guys I really love What Ifs and alternate reality tales...
I'm very intrigued!

>Namor makes Sue's "something" melt
>Reed gets rigid watching Sue with Namor
>"Let's split into threesomes!"
>The "threesome", of course, consists of Reed, Sue and Namor
Come on, Roy Thomas, stop being so blatant with your innuendos!

>>153768
and Marv Wolfman is no better

Aww but where is the fun in Sue if she doesn't have a wandering eye. Reason this whole plotting works well.

>>153767

I was travelling, and having a rougher time of it than usual, so Monday's been a complete write-off for me on all accounts. So, uh, apologies for that - I did sort of promise more story today and that never materialized.

Tomorrow is another day, though, and if I can become suitably inspired I might be able to write off another almost-six-thousand words of top quality smut for you lot.

>>153779
Hey, no pressure, do what you can when you can.

I don't expect you to use all the ideas being thrown around in this thread either, but if they help to get you inspired, than its worth it.

At any case, looking forward to more smut from you.

>>153762
>It has a kind of old-timey high class style
It doesn't have to be like that, in fact it can look downright futuristic, not being out of place in space clothing.

>Sue's style was always minimalistic (as is the FF's style in general), BP's style is ethnic/African
Again, it can also fit those two styles as well.

Hell, here is one that take aspects from all three styles, and yet make them all work well.

Saw this, thought it might inspire some of the artists in the thread.

>>153784
Mmm, is the Sue in this alt universe that well endowed?
I know someone mentioned that she might be a bit more curvy because of the whole MILF angle, but not sure it would qualify as much.

I don't know about the huge boobs, but I can definitely see her having a big ass, judging by the fanart in this thread at least.

>>153779
Oh, no worries man, no one here hurries you! We all understand your situation, we all have our work and obligations. So take whatever time you need, we'll be glad to read your writings to matter when they arrive!

>>153782
Hm, now in this pic you provided, it definitely looks kinda ethnic-looking! I'll definitely think about it

>>153784
The jewelry, the pose or the girl?

>>153785
I think in our fanfiction/fanart Sue can have whatever body we imagine! Personally, in this setup I'd like to imagine her with a body like a MILF pornstar: big natural breasts and a big juicy ass. Mostly because it emphasizes her status as a wife and mother, but also because that's the bodytype I like seeing with muscular well-endowed men like BP hehe

>>153787
>>The jewelry, the pose or the girl?
Yes, yes, and yes.

>>153787
Yeah, I'm thinking that her body type should be something that you would usually find in animation when depicting a stereotypical mother, curvy, big ass, ample breasts, etc, making her other increasingly lewd acts all the more appealing.

A nice hourglass figure.

>Hm, now in this pic you provided, it definitely looks kinda ethnic-looking! I'll definitely think about it
Yeah, I was just think that it would be really sexy if Sue was to wear something as distinct and bold as that necklace, something that would be very hard to miss or ignore, Sue very clearly sending a message with it, and yet Reed being oblivious to the meaning behind it.

Plus the idea of Sue often carelessly caressing it in front of other people would make for a hot image, they feel there is something quite erotic about that, and yet can't really call her on it.

Sue, like the prim and proper wife and mother she is, likes to entertain gangs of rough drunken men by dancing on their table!

>>153788
>making her other increasingly lewd acts all the more appealing.
You nailed it!
>Yeah, I just think that it would be really sexy that Sue would wear something as distinct as that, something that would very hard to miss or ignore, Sue very clearly sending a message with it, and yet Reed for the most part being oblivious to the meaning behind it.
I'll try doodling something like the latest pic you posted to see how it looks on Sue
>>153792
Hehe

Okay, spill the beans anons. Which one of you is Michael Logan, and do you keep a time-traveling machine in your garage?

Posting a continuation of the timeline.
As I said, I completely understand that A Certain Liar may not follow the timeline, but maybe he'll find some useful and interesting ideas here?
Anyway:
>1974 September – 1975 February (these issues actually went from 1973 September to 1975 May, but since the dates overlap with BP’s Avengers and Thor appearances, I used his Avengers resignation for the first date, and his Thor appearance for the second date)
BP returns to Wakanda. In the original universe, he brought Monica Lynne with him. In our universe, he goes alone.
>1975 March
BP visits the USA, makes a visit to the Avengers Mansion, and probably to Sue as well.
>1975 May
Sue isn’t yet ready to become a FF member again. She almost does it, but Reed leaves her alone while the team goes on a mission yet again. She secretly goes with them by being invisible, and saves their asses in June. In the letters pages, a stripperrific redesign for Sue’s uniform was suggested! (picrelated)
>1975 June
Sue saves the FF and rejoins it (sadly, wearing the original uniform and not the stripperrific redesign!), Medusa resigns and stays with Black Bolt. In our universe, she could wear the stripperrific redesign, making it redesign v3.0!
>1975 July
BP returns to Wakanda for some unfinished business. In the original universe this started with a romantic and relaxing time BP and Monica Lynne shared on Wakandan beaches (including some very skimpy bikinis and lots of implied sex). In our universe, his loving companion is… Sue! Sue tells Reed she needs a holiday to relax after all the stress, and goes together with T’Challa for some jungle action. It’s even more scandalous because not only does this wife and mother leave her family to spend a month alone with a handsome man, she does it just a month before her and her husband’s 10 year anniversary! Note that Monica Lynne had to deal with some distrust from the natives during her time in Wakanda (she even got framed for a murder by a jealous handmaiden of T’Challa). That probably doubles for Sue, who is not just an outsider, but also white. However, her magnificent powers, and her cunning and strong-willed personality may help her survive this world of intrigue.
>1975 August
Sue and Reed’s 10 year anniversary. Yes, you guessed it, it’s time for some lewd and depraved wedding dress sex! ‘Nuff said.

>>153804
I got to say, I actually really dig that costume, hot and very 70s

>>153806
Haha, which one, the right or the left?

>1975 September-November
BP finishes all the unfinished business in Wakanda.
>1976 January-November
BP is back in the USA, fighting the KKK in Georgia. During that time, he makes a trip to New York, where Reed Richards introduces him to another inventor. Presumably, he meets Sue as well.
>1976 March-April
The FF hire Luke Cage while Ben loses his powers. There’s some tension between Ben and Luke, but Sue manages to calm Luke (are you guys still against that threesome idea?) – until Puppet Master mind-controls him and he turns evil (they free him next month).
>1977 January
An evil doppelganger defeats Reed and secretly takes his place on the FF.
>1977 February
The only time in canon 616 when Sue cheated on Reed! Albeit, unknowingly. The evil doppelganger continues pretending he’s Reed, and we’re supposed to believe, has slept with Sue. Did they or didn’t they? You do the math: they were all lovey-dovey, both looked like they wanted each other, they went into their bedroom, and after quite some time Sue emerged dressed in a sheer nightie. And you thought SpOck kissing MJ was outrageous! Btw, Sue’s wearing a very sexy nightie + lingerie combination (picrelated)
>1977 March
A kiss made Sue suspicious about evil Reed. Does that imply she didn’t sleep with him before? Because the previous issue strongly implied they did.
>1977 January-April (these issues actually went from 1977 January to 1979 January, but since there’s a date overlap with BP’s Avengers appearance, I used his first Avengers appearance to set the end date)
BP gets amnesia from his Klan enemies, gets a Kiby-esque hammy personality, and has wacky adventures in Africa featuring Solomon’s Frogs, Black Musketeers, Samurai, etc.
>1977 May
BP rejoins Avengers yet again.
>1977 June
The evil doppleganger is defeated, Reed is back.
>1977 August
Janet van Dyne shows up in a really slutty costume she created “to make Hank interested” (picrelated). Maybe Sue would don a costume like that during her “partner to BP” days (1974)? BP takes a leave from Avengers starting next month.

Sue, why do you hate change? The only thing that matters is how she acts!

>1977 November
BP takes another (much longer) leave from the Avengers. The FF disbands yet again. Sometime before that, the FF get to see concepts for a proposed movie adaptation of their adventures. Sue is surprised that the actress playing her wears a rather revealing redesign of her costume (picrelated), but Sue’s surprise sound like she’s imagining herself wearing it… In our universe, it may become her FF uniform v4.0 – though, while it sure looks slutty, it covers more than the fan-suggested redesign from 1977 (v3.0 in our universe)
>1978 February
The Baxter Building is up for rent.
>1978 March
BP has an adventure with the Avengers, but is still at leave.
>1978 April
Sue gets an acting job in Hollywood.
>1978 June
It’s revealed that it was actually Namor who owns the movie studio that gave Sue the acting job. He’s not very seductive, though, more like emo, and mopes to Sue about his sad life; then they fight some monsters. Ben Grimm finds out BP has been in New York for some time under his Luke Charles guise. They start working on a case. Meanwhile, BP officially rejoins the Avengers. Later this month, BP is kidnapped.
>1978 July
BP, Ben Grimm and Brother Voodoo finish the case. BP is officially summoned as an Avenger by Iron Man. The FF are reunited – by being captured by Dr.Doom.
>1978 November
The FF are freed and officially reunite. May be time for Sue’s FF suit redesign v4.0. It may be inspired by the movie outfit, but even skimpier/sluttier.
>1979 March
BP is expelled from the Avengers, since their numbers have grown too big – and Gyrich needs an African American to be their token black member. I’m serious, that’s canon. BP opens the Wakandan embassy in defiance of an ages-old tradition, for apparently no reason (he cites an insight that came to him in his 1977 travels). Maybe the real reason is to appoint Sue as the ambassador? Meanwhile, the FF go on an adventure in space.
>1979 November
BP and Spidey battle corrupt corporate executives bent on discrediting Wakanda and BP. They clear BP’s name, but Wakanda is tied to terrorism, and there’s some level of distrust.
>1979 December – 1980 April
BP finishes his unfinished business with the KKK in Georgia.
>1980 January
The FF are finally back from their long space adventure. They’re also younger and more powerful, because of Skrull technology.
>1980 June-July
BP is in Wakanda.
>1980 August
BP and Sue canonically meet again. While BP and the Defenders are dealing with a riot, Reed and Sue appear. Sue quickly clears the crowd with her force fields. The female Defenders (Hellcat and Valkyrie) seem jealous of Sue, and drag BP away with them “for a couple of drinks”. Dunno about canon, but in our universe they definitely sense something is up between these two, and they want Panther’s D for themselves.
>1980 December
BP is in New York, help Storm defeat some villains, they’re shown as “just friends”. In the same comic (but in a different story) Sue in a sexy dress and the FF are dealing with a mind-controlled Spidey.

>>153807
>Haha, which one, the right or the left?
Well, obviously the stripperrific one.

Anyway, I know we all talked and established about how the story our writer friend is doing for us doesn't have to follow the timeline and very likely won't, it is simply there to provide structure and inspiration of he wants to, however, I'm still wondering if any of the chronological events should even be mentioned.

I mean, the FF should like in their 80s in reality, but they clearly not.

So, should we even specify that it is Sue and Reed’s 10 year anniversary, or that there is some racial tension because its the early 70s, etc.

Should we just try to condense 40+ years of storylines into a period of around 10 years in our story?

I'm pretty sure this story won't be like an epic that covers their entire run or anything like that, but should it be appropriate to just avoid time specific story elements?

I'm perfectly cool with the actual written story just being short little passages that capture a moment in this long and secret affair, without needing to go into much detail about continuity or specific dates.

>>153809
I do love how uncertain Sue is about whether or not she would ever wear something like that, like she is almost contemplating it.

Anyway, these 70s outfit that Sue never really wore but could have, are actually pretty hot, maybe use them as template for when she is starts to dress more slutty, just make them more Black Panther like I suppose.

>>153810
>I mean, the FF should like in their 80s in reality, but they clearly not.
Well, Sue is born in ~1935, BP likewise, Reed is older. In 1965 (year of her wedding), Sue is around 30 (this is canon). In 1975 (the anniversary) she's around 40, a very MILFy age. In 1980 she's ~45 – the FF go on a space adventure and are made younger by some Skrull technology. So, she has a body of a ~20-25-year old again (based Byrne). Then in 1996-97, when she looked ~35-40, Sue is killed and then reborn, presumably young again. Nowadays, she should be ~40-45 years old, again, very MILFy. Oh, and BP is kept young and virile by the Panther God.
Note that everything in the previous paragraph is explicitly canon.
And then, there's Marvel Time, the ultimate excuse when other excuses have failed.

So yeah, it would be realistic to have Sue etc. mention the specific dates and events, have a 10-year anniversary etc, and not look like octogenarians.

P.S.: The only creature in this timeline that doesn't age like a normal human being is Franklin, but then again... it's Franklin.

>or that there is some racial tension because its the early 70s
Oh, you probably misunderstood. I didn't reference any real world events in my timeline. Only canon 616 events.
So, those racial tensions I mentioned? Canon, and basis of an Avengers story – but they also may have been the inspiration for Sue's interest in Wakanda in our universe. There will be another time for racial tensions in 616, in the 80s – the time Sue changes into Malice. Again, I don't mention any real world events here

>I'm pretty sure this story won't be like an epic that covers their entire run or anything like that
It could be comprised of small story vignettes from different points on that timeline. E.g., a story from 1966, a story from 1970, a story from 1975 etc. But then again, it's A Certain Liar's choice.

>>153811
>I do love how uncertain Sue is about whether or not she would ever wear something like that, like she is almost contemplating it.
You know she is!

>Anyway, these 70s outfit that Sue never really wore but could have, are actually pretty hot, maybe use them as template for when she is starts to dress more slutty, just make them more Black Panther like I suppose.
Yeah, that's what I intend to do. I owe it to honor the brave heroes like Michael Logan haha

>1981 May
The FF are stranded in the Negative Zone (they’re back in June).
>1981 September
BP is in New York, at the Wakandan embassy. During this time, or a bit earlier (after 1980 January), Sue may visit him in the embassy, or even spend some time there with him. Though I don’t think she should get appointed ambassador right of the bat, some time should pass, especially since Sue leaves for Wakanda as soon as she gets appointed.
>1982 April
BP is in Wakanda. It’s another canonical meetup between BP and the FF. They travel to a mysterious Roman city in Africa (BP disguises himself as a servant carrying their baggage). The FF and BP are captured, the villain wants to make Sue his bride, but Sue defeats the villain. Sue and BP almost don’t interact, until this fun segment at the end of the issue (picrelated). “Not quite that intimate”, eh? Btw, Sue’s Roman clothes were hot.
>1982 June (the series went 1982 June-August, but since the dates overlap, I used only the starting date)
BP (who was in Wakanda) and Sue, among a lot of other heroes, take part in the Contest of Champions. BP and Sue end up on the same team, together with Storm, Angel, Iron Fist, Iron Man, and a bunch of ethnic stereotypes. Reed isn’t chosen to compete at all, though he and other heroes still remain captured, forced to watch the events. BP and Sue are soon separated, and end up on smaller teams, both of which lose. After the ordeal, all the heroes are sent home (BP to Wakanda, Sue and the FF to New York). In our universe, it’s a good time for Sue and BP to spend some quality time together, between battles.
>1982 July
Sue gets a new short haircut. Her uniform is also somewhat different – e.g., it features a long black collar.
>1982 December – 1983 January
BP arrives to the USA to ask for amnesty for the Hulk. BP and Sue (as part of the FF) have another canonical meeting (though they don’t interact on panel). They fight some aliens, and take part in a massive parade honoring the Hulk. BP acts as Wakandan representative. Of course, in our universe, off-panel they would make up for almost half a year of not seeing each other.
(NOTE: I suggest that our universe should better completely deviate from the original timeline at this point, to avoid DRAMA. On my ideas how it can be done, see my thoughts below the timeline)
>1983 February-July
The FF go on a long adventure in the Negative Zone. They emerge with differently-colored uniforms – with white parts instead of black.
>1983 December
Sue seems okay with passionately french-kissing Namor on the roof of the Baxter Building, with another superhero looking. Just sayin’. Then she ties her hair in a ponytail, and goes to search for Reed.
>1984 January
BP is in New York (in Wakandan “consulate”) at this time, and appears on David Letterman’s show alongside some Avenger members. He decides to help the Avengers avert a disaster for old time’s sake. Meanwhile, the FF return.
>1984 February
Sue’s staying in her and Reed’s new home in Connecticut and out of action again, as her pregnancy is showing. Also, in the letters column, two new hairstyles (including a Storm-like mohawk) were suggested for Sue!
>1984 April
Sue is alone and very pregnant, while Reed and a lot of others are snatched away to the Secret Wars. Soon, they return, with She-Hulk as a new FF member. Then, Sue experiences a negative energy blast from her baby.
>1984 May
Sue’s condition is difficult.
>1984 June
Sue has a miscarriage.
>1984 October
BP teams up with Johnny Storm to defeat a villain, it’s shown on TV. Sue has already mostly recovered from her miscarriage by that point.
>1985 July
Racial tensions run high again. Sue is transformed into Malice. Next month, Reed makes Sue regain her senses with a pimp-slap.
>1985 September-November
The FF battle Psycho-Man. After they win, Sue renames herself “Invisible Woman”.
>1986 February
Sue changes her hairstyle to a short one.
>1986 October
BP is back in New York, helps the Avengers with a traitor problem.
>1986 December
Sue has long hair again.

Maybe the history of our universe should split from the main timeline circa 1983 February (or earlier), before FF’s Negative Zone adventure and Sue’s unfortunate pregnancy. Let’s say that after Sue and BP meet at Hulk’s acceptance parade, Sue finally makes the decision and accepts the position of the U.S. ambassador in Wakanda. That way, we could still have Sue and BP meet up (and have hot, lighthearted sex) during such massive crossover events as the CoC and Hulk’s acceptance parade – but at the same time, avoid DRAMA events like Sue’s unfortunate pregnancy and miscarriage, and all the Malice & Psycho-Man silliness.

So, how about this: in 1983 February, while the rest of the FF go to the Negative Zone, Sue goes to Wakanda as “ambassador”. However, BP treats her as a consort (or a Dora Milaje?), even introducing her to other African leaders as such (which makes Sue extremely horny). Reed returns from the NZ, and visits Wakanda on a diplomatic matter, where he sees his wife as ambassador and the lewd costume she wears etc. Then Reed goes back. After quite some time, BP offers Sue to officially become his woman. She decides to give Reed the last chance – she invites her to the “Wakandan wedding” (of course, not telling him what this ritual is). If he manages to find out what’s happening, and stops her – she’ll still be his. Will Reed succeed?..

>>153816
I think we can make quite a few changes, nothing major, but we and our-writer-friend are certainly not married to canon and continuity.

As for her "Wakanda wedding", I think we could make it even more interesting and depraved, not just in terms of her outfit but also what is at stake.

I think that she should be wearing the "Chel" outfit like mentioned, only make it not see-through, then she taking it off towards the end of the ceremony and wearing something like this underneath. The catch, she is very pregnant with T'Challa's baby, up until now she had been very careful, but not anymore.

Whatever happens, whether Reed decides to step up or not, she is making sure that Reed knows for sure whats been going on.

Reed mesmerized by his wife parading herself wearing something so revealing, and her body showing such obvious signs of pregnancy.

Of course, this could all be quite tricky, it all depends of how long they have not seen each other, how long Sue has been away as an "ambassador" and how long Reed has been in the NZ.

Anyway, maybe the pregnancy is too much and you guys want to leave it more open ended, and of course this is all assuming our-writer-friend wants to do the whole "Wakanda wedding" story to begin with, or if we will even get that far.

A quick sketch based on the heavy cleavaged green dress Sue wore in FF 228. Those 70s issues sure have a lot of Sue in sexy clothes

>>153817
Wow! Those pasties are very sexy! Definitely should be used.

And the pregnancy fetish, it's very hot, too, especially at this time – the culmination of the whole story. But in my opinion, some parts of your suggested plot don't work:
>Whatever happens, whether Reed decides to step up or not, she is making sure that Reed knows for sure whats been going on.
>Reed mesmerized
Reed is known to be absent-minded, inattentive, and sometimes completely clueless in anything that doesn't involve science. But at the same time, he isn't a wimp. He was always shown as confident, assertive (sometimes to the point of being a jerk) and quick to act. He may even lose his temper and become enraged if things get too hot. So, while Reed doesn't put all the pieces together, it's okay. But if he's blatantly shown such a thing, with no possible innocent explanations – he won't sit and watch. It's just OOC for him. Even in a different country, surrounded by armed guards, even if he knows his wife willingly did this – he'll still cause a major scene and fight.
If he were Peter Parker, we could assume he would be so shocked, he'd start moping or rethinking his relationship and maybe he did something wrong etc. Reed? No. Remember how he acted when his wife openly (almost) divorced him and went to Namor? And he was the guilty one that time, and he knew it. And still, he fought Namor tooth and nail, even though Sue blatantly said she loves Namor and not him. Here, where Reed feels no guilt to himself, and there was cheating going on? He'd go fucking supernova.
>and her body showing such obvious signs of pregnancy.
Another point. Sue already went so far she's pregnant with T'Challa's child. Isn't it a bit late for Reed to "get her back" at this point?

So, keeping the main baseline of your idea, how about this:
>Sue wears the semi-transparent Chel costume, naked underneath
>At a point in the ritual, smoke/fumes cover Sue
>She emerges in the pasty outfit you suggested
>During the ritual, she makes some lewd dances and movements, some of them around T'Challa
>Reed, of course, is more and more jealous and shocked by Sue's dresses and actions, but can't protest since he (being clueless and somewhat slow when it comes to things like this) still thinks it's just an ethnic ritual
>The ritual gets more and more blatant
>Reed still doesn't get it
>The ritual gets so blatant that anyone who isn't Reed would get that it's not innocent, but rather linked to a fertility cult, and concerns mating and marriage
>But Reed still doesn't get it
>The culmination of the ritual is when the consort-to-be and the king enter a podium
>The podium is semi-obscured by the fumes – you could see something, but not all and not clearly
>The culmination of the ritual, that would take place on the podium, involves T'Challa consummating his marriage with Sue, with all these people around (who can't see most of what's going on, though, due to the fumes, and the sounds are also semi-muffled due to loud ceremonial music, drums and chanting)
>Sue makes one last glance at Reed
>Will he stop her?
>The consummation involves not just sex, but T'Challa impregnating Sue with his child. Will Reed prevent this?

>>153818
Oh, I'm not saying Reed wouldn't do anything, just that he would be completely taken back for a moment.

That being said, I also don't know if it would even work either, too much of a pain in trying to find a way for Sue to hide something like that.

At any case, I love the alternative you came up with, the whole fertility/marriage ritual, the smoke and drums obscuring almost everything, and she getting pregnant for sure if Reed doesn't stop her.
Great set up, super sexy and kinky.

Also, love your sketches, and is that your version of the collar I mentioned?
I think it looks great on her, dig the bead like things at the bottom, makes it look more "tribal" or "native", definitely sexy how it fits snugly around most of her neck, goes with the idea that you mentioned about how she likes Black Panther to playfully choke her when they get more wild.

I hope you give us a closer look in a future sketch, keep it up.

And these clothes are from FF 263. Dayum, married pregnant women should be forbidden by law to wear butt-hugging cute booty shorts!

This issue actually takes place during Sue's second (unfortunate) pregnancy, so consider this pic non-canon. I hope that A Certain Liar, however strictly or loosely he will be following the timeline, won't include events surrounding the miscarriage (including Malice) in his fun and lighthearted tales

>>153823
God damn, thats is a sexy pic, my friend.

You can almost feel the force and passion with which she is getting fucked, just great sense of movement. The fact that she is even drooling gives the pic even more of an impact, you can really tell just how much she is in complete ecstasy

The pregnant angle is just the cherry on top, somehow making it even more lewd and erotic.

Great job, dude.

Thanks for your compliments! Glad you like 'em!
>>153821
>Oh, I'm not saying Reed wouldn't do anything, just that he would be completely taken back for a moment.
A moment; but not half and hour haha
>she getting pregnant for sure if Reed doesn't stop her.
Even lewder, she may get pregnant right in front of Reed
If he doesn't stop it, of course (imo such a plot would be best if left open-ended)
Dunno if ACL likes this setup, of course
>goes with the idea that you mentioned about how she likes Black Panther to playfully choke her when they get more wild.
Btw, I just had a thought – how can he choke her, if she almost never takes it off? Or does she sometimes take it off for him, and him only?
>I hope you give us a closer look in a future sketch, keep it up.
I'll definitely draw a closer look, in a future sketch
>>153825
>The pregnant angle is just the cherry on top, somehow making it even more lewd and erotic.
Well, the pregnant angle was there in the original haha (picrelated)

>>153826
>Even lewder, she may get pregnant right in front of Reed. If he doesn't stop it, of course
That would be pretty hot, have Sue actually have sex in front Reed, all of her moans, cries, and the sounds of her ass slapping against T'Challa being muffled by the drums and the whole affair obscured by smoke.

Sue can actually see Reed, but he can't see her, and all the time she is asking to herself why won't he stop the ritual.

>Or does she sometimes take it off for him, and him only?
That would be perfect actually, he is the only who gave it to her, and thus she feels like he is the only one who is allowed take it off. I can see them occasionally having sex with it on as well though, because its just such a turn on for both.

Which makes me think, does Sue takes off her wedding ring when she is with T'Challa? I think thats something that she might start to do when she seriously start developing feelings for him, and would also be an interesting moment to have Reed visit her at the embassy and she is not wearing it.

>I'll definitely draw a closer look, in a future sketch
Great, can't wait.

>>153828
>Which makes me think, does Sue takes off her wedding ring when she is with T'Challa? I think thats something that she might start to do when she seriously start developing feelings for him, and would also be an interesting moment to have Reed visit her at the embassy and she is not wearing it.
That's a double-ended thing, actually. As the wedding ring is the sign of devotion and faithfulness, it can lend to two opposite fetishes:
On one hand, taking it off can signify that Sue starts to devote herself more to T'Challa. Plus, not wearing the ring while still being Reed's wife, is pretty lewd, and thus may make her aroused. And lastly, without the ring, she may act more wild and uninhibited, as if losing some restrictive barrier that held her wild sexual lust inside.
On the other hand, fucking another man while wearing the ring, is also very lewd, and thus may also arouse her. Especially, seeing her ring hand touch his skin and his cock
So, I'd personally prefer to see both in the story

>>153823
Oh man, this is making me wonder how rough and messy her "wedding dress sex" is going to get, considering it is supposed to be the fuckfest of her lifetime, the one time for sure when she utterly surrendered herself to lust, when her inner slut took over completely.

Should be good.

>>153830
Well, we should be able to get both, like I said she should stop wearing it once she truly falls to T'Challa and begins to think of herself as her official consort first.

So yeah, maybe it turns her on immensely to see the ring on her hand when worshiping his cock, but later once she has accepted her devotion for T'Challa taking it off can act as a new turn on, she giving herself body and soul to another man while still being a married woman.

It could even be like a switch, taking it off bring out her inner slut, and putting it on brings out her loving wife and caring mother, she still carries both side of herself at any given moment, but the act of taking it off can be a game she likes to play with herself.
>Put her game face on.

When did Susan have Veleria?

You guys covered that yet?

>>153861
It would be interesting if in this story Sue wasn't completely sure if she was pregnant with Reed or T'Challa.

Than again, I'm thinking she might have been more careful than that.

Knowing the artist, I'm pretty sure it's not actually our Ms.Richards... Still:
>Ms. Richards
>blonde
>blue panties
So we can pretend haha
The guy doesn't look anything like T'Challa, though, more like a young Luke Cage maybe

>>153834
>Oh man, this is making me wonder how rough and messy her "wedding dress sex" is going to get, considering it is supposed to be the fuckfest of her lifetime, the one time for sure when she utterly surrendered herself to lust, when her inner slut took over completely.
Considering A Certain Liar's first story is so hot, how will we manage to survive the next ones, especially the ultra-depraved anniversary sex? I'm already worried for my health haha
>Well, we should be able to get both, like I said she should stop wearing it once she truly falls to T'Challa and begins to think of herself as her official consort first.
Hm, I think what you suggested may work
>>153861
>>153883
No offence, I kinda like Valeria as a character, but I seriously hope that A Certain Liar won't touch anything related to her birth with a ten-foot pole. Why? Because events surrounding her birth were more fucked-up convoluted than pre-nu52 Hawkman, and deeply rooted in DRAMA (including the miscarriage). Not what would be good for a lighthearted sexy story, right?
>It would be interesting if in this story Sue wasn't completely sure if she was pregnant with Reed or T'Challa.
It's my own opinion, of course, but I'd think it's a plot not for this story. The Sue x T'Challa story is based on doing things without Reed or anyone figuring what's what. Giving birth to a half-black baby kind of ruins this aspect, and again, brings too much DRAMA. E.g., we won't be able to do the Wakandan wedding plot if this happened

>>153893
That was me, by the way.

And btw, another idea.
In the comics, it's established that Sue has a collection of different wigs, including different-colored ones. It was shown as early as the Kirby years, and is somewhat mentioned in later comics, too. When Sue and Reed rented a house in Connecticut for some time in the 1980s, Sue wore a brunette wig to conceal her identity.
So, I guess, Sue could use the wigs in our universe, to keep her affair secret. Always using her invisibility powers can be too tiring, especially when she needs to conserve her strength for a wild night of love. So, she could use different wigs and her large wardrobe of clothes to almost completely change her appearance. It can happen during the time BP lives in New York (in the Avengers Mansion, or later, in the Wakandan Embassy). Some of her disguises could look pretty slutty, not the kind of clothes Sue would normally wear (she prefers to dress pretty, but classy, not slutty). Also, some characters (e.g., Avengers) could discuss or wonder, why a lot of different white women arrive to BP's quarters almost every night?..

>>153894
And one time, some fellow superheroes/superheroines may accidentally see her with T'Challa. E.g., she and T'Challa think there's no one at the Avengers Mansion except them, but they run into e.g. Wasp and Wanda. Fortunately, Sue is in her disguise, a slutty and trashy one, too. The superheroines don't recognize her, and that gets her pretty aroused, being seen by friends in such a compromising situation, without them knowing. And noticing this, T'Challa starts taking it even further, acting with her like lovers – hugging, copping a feel, passionately kissing etc, in front of her friends. Which makes Sue first afraid it will blow her cover, but then it makes her even more and more aroused by each minute...

>>153893
I think we can have Valeria in the story, just simply not focus on her weird birth, skip it completely, have the story take place once Sue had her for a few years.
Afterall, I doubt the stories the writer is writing will cover every detail.

>>153894
Could be hot, they can even roleplay in the bedroom with them

>>153895
Reminds of that other idea where Sue is at a superhero meeting wearing two dildos under her suit, getting double penetrated while trying to hide that she is totally aroused in front of her friends.

I think she might definitely develop this side of her, the whole "wanting to almost get caught" thrills her.

>>153897
>I think we can have Valeria in the story, just simply not focus on her weird birth, skip it completely
That could be done. However, it presents another problem, which is also present in Franklin: Sue and Reed's kids are uberhax. They're so OP it's not even funny. How do they not figure out what's going on between their mom and T'Challa?
So maybe that's another reason it may not be good to include Valeria – because by then Franklin finally grows up a bit, and he could foil their whole affair. And he would, it's established that he would go to extreme lengths to keep his family the way he wants it.
So basically, we could either make these kids different than in 616 – just normal kids, not overpowered monstrosities. Or have Sue leave Reed for T'Challa (or return to Reed, whatever is the end of the Wakanda wedding plot) while Franklin's still a small kid. What would you suggest?
>Could be hot, they can even roleplay in the bedroom with them
That's another fine idea
>>153898
Yeah, but maybe those could be 2 different instances: the dildo(s) plot would work better if it takes place during some crowded superhero convention, maybe even with Reed present as well.

>>153922
Mmm, we could probably just use comicbook logic here and ignore that issue because it doesn't affect the plot directly.

I mean, there are many times in which something should have been able to be solved in a reasonable manner because of how many powerful and super smart characters exist in the Marvel universe, but don't, because otherwise you would not have a story,

So yeah, the kids are still the same, but they just don't find out, their minds are preoccupied or something.

>Its magic I ain't gotta explain

Anyway, really dig how the collar/necklace came out, and the expression on Sue. The fact that she would walk around in something so utterly blatant in front of Reed makes the whole affair all the more exciting.
A loving wife and caring mother, collared by another man, and she wearing it proudly. Good stuff.
I think you could maybe make it a bit less flashy with less jewels and more abstract carvings, to make it feel more "native", but other than that I love the overall design and size.

Great job with the sketches, keep it up.