Because Japan

Ever notice how a lot of people who play games will pick female characters because they spend so much time looking at them that they figure they might as well enjoy looking at the character?

I assume it's like that, the amount of time Oda spends looking at them and drawing them is absurd so he probably likes to draw them with a body type he prefers to look at, plus he's ALWAYS pushing the boundaries of proportion so it's hardly shocking how cartoonish everyone ends up looking.

Plus the body swap was just a joke and a pretty funny one, which while gross is gross in an "oh goddamn it Sanji!" kind of way.

One Piece has always been sexist and demeaning to women almost from the start bro. But yes, I do agree that Oda seems to have gotten really lazy when it comes to women lately. Like he's not even trying. He just slaps on Boa Hancock's body on everybody, turns them into bimbos and move on.

I actually get more excited when I see the Kurehas and Dadans and Kokoros than I ever did with Shirahoshi or Bonney or the gagglefuck of bland women introduced in this latest arc.
There's also been a serious decay in certain characters to the point where they no longer even resemble who they were. I used to love Sanji, now I can't fucking stand the guy.

>>30770
>people who play games will pick female characters because they spend so much time looking at them

I picked the female characters because I secretly wanted to be a woman. So.

From what I've seen it's pretty much just Momonosuke. Everything else is pretty much the norm.

My best guess is that he's got too many shit-tons of worry points concerning One Piece roiling around in his brain to make room for a more thoughtful treatment of female presence in his comic. I'd be ecstatic if his women began to transcend the roles laid out for them, but OP's plotlines push thematic barriers in so many other wonderful ways (Caesar and SAD, holy shit) that I just can't be mad at him for having other fish to fry.

>>30770
I think the 'samebody' problem is worse. Every woman who isn't meant to be a freak or is meant to be attractive now has the same huge tits and stick-like waist.

>>30774
That just boils down to Oda's personal taste. Can't do much for that.

>>30774
That's not really new in the slightest. I think you're meaning to say faces more than bodies, as really he's doing BETTER with bodies than he has in the past.

>>30785
Uh, no.
The tits in general have certainly inflated since the old days.
Though the faces are pretty samey too now.

There are a number of areas where Oda's otherwise impressive creativity falls away.

>>30786
The breasts have inflated.
And deflated.
And inflated, then deflated. I'm not saying he's exactly perfect in the area, but he's not exactly doing much worse than he was about what, a decade ago?

Really, the body designs don't bother me as much as how their fights and stories have been recently.

I mean Nami and Robin have arguably the most tragic backstories of the Strawhats, second maybe only to Brook's, so their motivations always seemed so much bigger in the early parts of the story. But every recent female seems to be there only for eyecandy. And their recent fights don't compare to the way they took down their foes back in the days of Alabasta or Skypeia.

>>30788
Sorry dude but no. Robin and Nami literally have the same body type. So do Shirahoshi (without any fucking reason, considering her mother was one of the few women with a "unique" body type that wasn't an intentionally ugly character), Shyarley, Monet, Baby 5, and Tashigi. Nami used to be smaller chested than Robin and Tashigi used to be flatter than Nami. Now they all look pretty much the fucking same.

(also what up im op i forgot my hat when I made this thread)

Anyways the whole trend is really gross and frustrating. (I know >>30771 is right when OP's never been particularly good to chicks, but at least they had more of a purpose and character.) I mean, I never liked the trend of girls fighting girls that Oda tended to follow, but at least they GOT FIGHTS. hell Robin even got to fight a dude in Skypiea. Nami's fights were cool, if a little stereotypical in every way. AT LEAST SHE GOT TO FIGHT now they've been further relegated to support status and in fact didnt even get an opponent of their own like the dudes in Fishman Island.

so yeah whatever it's still obnoxious and gross and i finished the Monet fight last night and it was horrible ugh ugh ugh

>>30791
Yeah, Zoro wouldn't even land a strike on her despite her trying to kill him, even when his ploy to 'psyche her out' without doing any injury failed and she was still coming at him Tashigi was the one who delivered the slash to end the fight

Hell and Tashigi, apart from losing again like usual, seemed to be there just to perform the backstab to prevent Zoro from having to 'sully his hands' with doing injury to a woman. (Does ODa think that if he hurt s woman people would think he was a bad guy? He was never scared to use his fists or the back of his blade on women [or children] who weren't close to being his equal to KO them in the old days. And even when a man is not at his level he will finish a fight with a serious blood-letting finishing move cut)

>>30790
I think oda's got too many crewmembers to give them all individual fights now.

Only the monster 3 are guaranteed fights.

>>30791
I'm not saying that it's not a problem I'm saying that really it's more been a problem since Alabasta, and it's been way worse in the past (Enies Lobby for body types, Thriller Bark for 'fights'.) In terms of character interaction it's mostly just same as usual outside of Momonosuke, but he really is so bad that he's dragging everything down around him. The Monet fight is such a stupid thing, he just pulled the same exact shit he did with the octopus assassin (who he also let go with just breaking his weapons until the guy came around and attacked again [only this time Tashigi got the real cut for him]) and going through the same fight with Tashigi in Loguetown where she blames an assumed sexism for anybody not treating her seriously enough.
Shirahoshi, Baby 5, and Nami all look the same: just like Alvida, Doublefinger, and Kalifa. (Does no one remember the old joke that Oda had two female faces: Robin and nami.) tashigi was an exception, but she was a very very rare one. Nami and Robin were constructed very different facially, but it didn't exactly take long for their body types to become incredibly similar.
Again, I'm not saying "this is great" but this isn't really that much worse than usual (outside of Rebecca who is what.) If anything there was a load more female focus in the recent arc than there's almost ever been (although that'd certainly highlight the problems that Oda's always had.)

>>30802
That would be Luffy, Zoro & Franky right?

>>30803
It a tad of sexism with people like Tashigi or Rebecca, their subordinates/peers don't have respect for them as warriors because they are attractive women.

Japan.
What's such and such a way here isn't that way over there and you need to deal with that. Your ideals and what you've been told is right and wrong are subjective and when faced with something that challenges them, your reaction is confusion and being upset.
Oda has never made any attempts to make One Piece anything but what it is in his mind. And what it is in his mind is blatantly a boy's romance.
Lots of people from boys to girls and young to old have fallen in love with the story and characters, and that appeal and quality of the narrative are so much more pressing and important than how you feel he should portray any sex, gender, race, etc.

>>30807
>>Don't you dare say anything bad about Oda-Sensei!

I can't stand people like you, even if we love and enjoy a work it doesn't mean you can just brush off issues people have with it.

And neither can you say "This is his work you can't tell an artist what to do!!!" that is also nonsense, no work is immune to criticism, if he's free to put it out there others are free to comment on it.

>>30810
I can't stand people like you. Is what I'm saying every post some kind of fucking code I'm not aware I'm writing in? Why does everyone snap to some interpretation that puts green text words in my mouth I didn't write?

Just last week or some shit we had this very same conversation on this very same fucking topic with these very same fucking accusations.

You are free to say whatever you want all you want.
Oda is not wrong for doing whatever he is doing in his art and expression.
If it offends you or your ideals or morals, if ANY artist's work offends you, get piss in your mouth before you open it to say/tell them they're wrong or to change.

>>30812
oh so youre 15 ok

>>30814
Yeah. You're invited to my 16th bday next month. Gettin' a sushi chef for the night, allergic to anything?

>>30806
With Rebecca, yes. Her peers are sexist.
But with Tashigi, it's usually been more that she's attached to Smoker at the hip and has practically no confidence of her own. SHE attaches it to sexism (and with the new G-5 some of it is) but part of her character arc has always been that she blames her environment or her peers for her own weaknesses. That's what Smoker is always trying to beat out of her.

>>30817
She might be right in saying its sexism, bu it would only be the author's sexism in making her so fucking worthless and with absolutely no credibility. Hahaha.

Though in her losing to everyone spree that has included her female opponents too so maybe its just something about Kuina's face that made Oda make them suck so much that they prove Kuina's original belief that women can't make strong swordmasters by losing to everyone including inanimate objects

Seriously though, it sort of sticks out unusually...

>>30819
It's supposed to stick out, Tashigi is a LOSER. She doesn't just have Kuina's face, she has the problem Kuina did and got over when she was ten. She sees her environment being harsh and instead of fighting through it, she gives up and resigns herself to uselessness. That's why she always loses to someone with dreams and ambition, like Zoro or Monet. She gives up before things have even started.

>>30824
That doesn't really come across. They seem more to be useless for no reason.

I mean unless Kuina suddenly turned-about and decided she was so worthless she threw herself down those stairs after having the chat with zoro and promising to still be rivals with him...

Are you sure you're not just inventing this justification?

>>30824
>>30817
But... Tashigi HAS tried? she trains to get stronger and most of her losses were because she charged in to fight even when her enemies were far superior to her instead of giving up. Not to mention Zoro's fight with Monet was almost Sanji-like, he says it isn't because she was a woman but he still refused to harm her apart from the small scratch he dealt her to try and show he could if he so wanted hurt her. In the end Tashigi actually had to be the one to cut her down before she would stop fighting.

>>30825
No Kuina actually got over the problem when she talked to Zoro, then died because sometimes people just die. Tashigi DIDN'T get over the problem, she bitches about it every time she shows up (and Smoker chews her out over it several times.) She works hard, but she never believes in herself and what she can do. So she blames Zoro, or that she's a woman.
Tashigi tarnishes Zoro's memory of Kuina because she has the same problems and refuses to get over them, when Kuina never had the chance to.

You know One Piece is super high caliber and is actually pretty progressive for Shonen but I think it's expected to be a pinnacle on a lot of things that it's not and Oda hasn't really been deceptive about it, he's said straight out that he's writing a boys adventure series.

>>30829
Jesus now there is some food for thought.

Eh, I just have a problem with the designs. Its gotten to the point where even I have noticed and I usually don't care enough. I know he can make weird, attractive designs. Sandersonia gave me the weirdest boner.

I don't expect Robin or Nami to get a meaningful battle anytime (though Robin has been due for one). Not even the other members has had one.

Rebecca at least seems competent enough, being the "Undefeated Woman" and all.

>>30850
I'd bet money she's going to get bitched pathetically, likely one of the Strawhat dudes will jump in to fight the guy that beat her.

It's gotten pretty touch-and-go. Like with Tashigi- anytime I read a mangapanda translation of a chapter with her in it, it was enough to make you think Oda had turned blatantly sexist. This trend of indulging sleazy character designs & moments isn't helping.

It's like. . .Oda has always done One Piece for the kids, right?

Maybe he's gotten desensitized to fanservice. Maybe the T&A stuff's meant to be in the same boat as Franky's robot schtick. "Oh young boys like this stuff those adorable darlings here you go"

I just keep looking at all the weird gag bits with Momonosuke and Nami lately. It's like the bit at the end of, um, desert nation arc. Where there's a gag about them trying to peek on the women's bath, including the king. But I think that one had the guys in the foreground, not Nami's tits. And it was a one-time thing during a breather, not a running schtick like Franky and Cola.

>>30837
>>30807
But why can't women be cool in a boy's romance?

I'm not saying I expect Oda to pander to people's morals and feelings, or try to shoehorn equality in his manga, it just sucks that he straight up doesn't imagine women as being cool.

l

>>30861
you. you are the one who gets it.

>>30861
I agree, I just don't know if Oda can do it, I think he honestly tries though.

>>30861
That shit ain't fair. There have been countless cool ladies in One Piece. Some of the most kickass and iconic characters have been the ladies.

That being said.. I'm still waiting for a female arc antagonist. Oda DOES treat women with giant mittens. Maybe because he's uncomfortable handling them.

Well Big Mom ought to be a huge deal.

But she barely seems human even by One Piece standards.

>>30865
>There have been countless cool ladies in One Piece.

I agree. Body-type isn't everything.

>>30861
Are you saying Nico Robin isn't cool?

You know, you ca be cool AND womanly, it's a thing. They don't have to play like the boys to be cool. Nami and Robin may have fucking J cup tits or whatever but they're still astonishingly well written female protagonists in the realm of a SHONEN manga series. You don't have to be a physical powerhouse or a badass like Zoro or Sanji to be useful, fucking be glad One Piece is a series where ALL the main characters are useful you whiny fucking tumblr going feminists.



.... Sorry, lost my cool there. Point is I try to view Nami/Robin for MORE than their fucking body image or "how many fights they've had" you guys.

>>30886
If you're going to give Nami and Robin unique abilities and powersets and hype up how much they've grown in strength since the timeskip and then NOT DO ANYTHING with it, yes that is indeed a problem.

>>30891
It's only been two arcs since the timeskip happened you blubbering cry baby. Everybody who isn't Luffy, Zoro and Sanji takes a backseat; this is nothing new to the series.
Other people who've greatly changed, like Chopper and Usopp, have also done jack shit. There's still plenty of time.

>>30898
Wow, you aren't even trying to fake civility now. Whats the point of flameraising like that?

You are just a total shitposter

>>30891
Uh, there's been a lot of growth in their abilities. No idea what you're talking about. Robin can make a clone and make giant limbs. Nami has a bit more of a close combat attack with her "gust sword" or whatever.

Just because they didn't get to fucking one-shot those mooks in fishman island doesn't mean they're going to waste. They'll get better fights later on. (Really I don't actually get the whining about Nami and Robin not having one on ones in that arc. The "one on ones" were so short they hardly count as real battles so much as "I'm going to hit you with three small attacks and then hit you with one BIG attack!")

Other characters have been getting flack too you know, what has Brook done that's been RELEVANT since Fishman Island other than "fight a guy". Remember when Franky disappeared for like the majority of the final part of PH? And let's not forget about how everyone complains that "All Sanji does is job now and is jokes and i miss my badass sanji wah wah wah". Little cruel there, but point is A LOT of the strawhats haven't been getting the limelight recently, I mean you can't really have 9 different characters all do something significant and fit it into a year long arc.

Just give it time, they'll get their moment in the sun. And try not to think of it as just "dey beat da bad guy with a name!"

>>30923
Franky Shogun showing up after the poison covered the island, strutting like a pimp and spanking Spinner and Baby5 like it was no thang is more than awesome enough.

Thats why he's in the Monster Trio now and Sanji isn't

>>30898
>>30923
I like how legitimate criticisms about the series is the exact same thing as being a blubbering crybaby.

One Piece is not perfect and you don't need to make excuses every time someone has a problem with something. Sometimes you need go "Yeah that's not a good thing that's been happening. I hope it gets better."

I don't mind that Robin doesn't participate in big fights. She's an assassin and an intellectual, her abilities don't lend themselves too well to brawls. Her strengths lie in other, important aspects.

It's Nami not getting her time to shine that bothers me because she had AN ENTIRE THING in Alabasta about how she feels she's lagging behind the others due to not being able to contribute in combat. The whole reason she had Usopp develop the Clima-Tact was so she could be a fighter with the rest.

>>30886
Yeesh

I don't care if a character is weak, and I don't care about their bodies. What I mean is no shonen writer seems to believe women can have guts, or care about honor, that's what gets to me. Look at Usopp, despite being one of the weakest characters he has countless badass moments, because of his heart and grit.

I mean I understand it's probably not even even noticeable if you're a dude, because you're not looking to female characters to relate to, but everytime when there's a kind of moment when Nami is all like "Why are you doing this? Are you stupid?" when one of the guys are staying true to their principles, I'm just like... "How DON'T you understand?"

There's just so many "You're a woman, you wouldn't understand" moments.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that One Piece is better than 99% of shonens when it comes to women, but it's become my favorite series, so I'm still gonna notice this stuff.

...Also, yeah, women are cool in OP, but usually because they're the stereotypical cunning, manipulative type. If they're not like that then they're usually like Vivi. When it comes to the attractive types anyways. Just sayin'. I admit though I've only gotten up to Thriller Bark so far, so I'm not entirely sure on that.

But whatever, no big deal for me, OP is still brilliant and entertaining as hell, but of course from time to time I'm still gonna be like... Dang, is this how Oda sees women?... But I KNOW we can be honorable and gutsy and have integrity...

I wonder how Oda's daughter feels about it.

I wonder how Oda's daughter feels about it.

>>30936
>>30935
Uh... how old is Oda's daughter? She can't be that old.

>>30937
She's seven.

>>30933
>"Why are you doing this? Are you stupid?"

Nami hasn't been like that in a long time. Are you saying Vivi wasn't cool? The fighting princess?

I think you guys are exaggerating the woes of women in this manga a bit.

>>30939
I'm sure she's just as concerned.

>>30933
Wait till you get to Hancock. She's a badass bitch to anyone but Luffy.

>>30952
I've always found her just kind of a mega-bitch who turns to putty around Luffy because she's fucked in the head and he happened to punch out one of the caste who abused her.
I've heard her described as a 'giant evil hinata'.

Hah plus her fighting style relies on her sex appeal devil fruit (plus that whatever she hits gets petrified but thats neither here nor there.)

Just personally she's one of my least fave chicks in this series.
She can be amusing since she's a joke about shippers but she's not really likable and can wear thin at times.

>>30807

Blaming this on Japan is a complete cop-out and you know it. Hayo Miyazaki is Japanese and he's written some of the strongest female protagonists in all of animation.

While I love One Piece the fact sort of remains that Oda is a little weird when it comes to women and it's been getting even weirder lately with all the boobs growing to watermelon size, the waists narrowing to twig size and every woman who we're supposed to consider attractive looking identical.

>>30961
Nah it's not. Culture is culture and it's different there and here in all kinds of places including the sensitivity of how women are treated and how much anyone cares.

>>30961
Good job you named a single exception among the culture responsible for 3D titty mousepads.

>>30807
>what you've been told is right and wrong are subjective
Huh, and here I thought most people grew out of moral relativism once they got out of middle school.

Oh, didn't you see? I'm only 16.

Insinuating someone is young is supposedly insulting?

>>30972
Once you become a grown-up, you'll learn that teenagers are absolutely terrible in pretty much every way. They're like Baby Boomers with even less perspective.

>>30933
But can you appreciate giant robots?
...
Yeah, I didn't think so.

>>30998
Except that's where Oda is FUCKING WRONG!

Hell everyone knows CHICKS, DIG, GIANT ROBOTS!

Chicks Dig Giant Robots

Not really. They're still the more competent characters of the manga. They're just a bit more sexualized now, much like all the men (Zoro, Luffy, Franky, Smoker and Z among others). It's all getting rather ridiculous but I'm cool with that.

>>31248
I think the men could stand to become a tad bit more sexualized.
I wanna start seeing some graphic bulges.

>>31254
>I wanna start seeing some graphic bulges.

Taken a look at Zoro's bicep lately?

https://plus4chan.org/b/op/res/31204.html#31206

>>31255
I imagine he means crotch bulges, since he's talking about sexualization. Although even then, giant cock is more of a turn-on for men than it is for women.

>>31256
But breasts are a secondary sexual characteristic, Oda may draw super giant tits and small waists on his girls but he doesn't draw them with massive pussies and we've gotten tons of man butt service so again I feel that Oda draws his men as ridiculously as his women and that just because of what he likes to draw and finds attractive his women end up being very similar which draws more attention to them.

>tiki doesnt know the difference between power fantasies and sexualization
literally no one is shocked. why dont you go back to saving orphans or whatever it is you claim to do

>>31262
You could very well be right in this regard, could you explain the difference? It's come up a couple of times in stuff like the Dragon's Crown discussions as well and I love to hear the various discourses on the subject.

>>31272

>>31274
Ahh, I see, I concede to my views on the subject being heavily flawed.

Time to do some thinkin' on thangs.

>>31256
>giant cock is more of a turn-on for men than it is for women

What year are you living in, grampa?

>>31274
That comic is bullshit. Please stop posting it in place of actually making a cohesive argument.
First of all, one man's image of what one woman thinks represents an attractive male is hardly conclusive evidence. Some girls like their men built. Others like them short and hairy. A good number like them impossibly tall with abnormally large hands. That's it.
Second, lithe, kissable Batmans aren't really all that uncommon. Neither are Supermans, Spidermans, Thors, etc. especially since comic artists often try to make their heroes look like their cinematic counterparts, who get objectified nonstop.
Third, that fat dude is a strawman. And while that doesn't make the point any less "valid," it does make the comic an impediment to any sort of candid discussion.

>>31278
Willis isn't saying that a Batman that looked like that would be universally liked by women. It's just one example to illustrate that the vast, VAST majority of male superheroes aren't drawn in a way that is intended to appeal to women.

Some artists do draw a Superman or a Batman that some women might like to kiss, but few artists have that as a major intention. Male superheroes are still primarily drawn as a power fantasy, and very few women go for the overly muscular brick shithouses that absolutely dominate the industry.

Generally speaking Superman and Batman are drawn in a way that straight men think looks attractive. It's part of the power fantasy thing. What straight men believe straight women find attractive and what straight women actually find attractive are different things. It's so that the male readership can put themselves in the role of their favourite heroes and pretend they're handsome, powerful guys.

Power fantasy.

Meanwhile, the majority of superheroines are drawn and designed in a way to emphasize their attractiveness and feminine assets. Again, to appeal to the straight men reading superhero comics.

TL;DR: the comic's actually perfectly valid because it doesn't claim that THAT Batman is what all women would prefer, it merely uses that one example to highlight the fact that superheroes are male power fantasies and superheroines are male sexual fantasies with little regard for the sexual fantasies of any women readers.

Also, the "straw man" in a straw man argument is a superficially similar but unequivalent proposition. That comic does not actually feature a straw man because I have literally seen dudes make that exact argument the fat guy is making in real life. I have seen it so, so fucking often.

That's part of the problem, even! Such a terrifically huge number of people genuinely use arguments that are indistinguishable from ridiculous straw men, that a lot of salient points get thrown out because they're supposedly responding to a straw man when, in fact, they're responding to actual opinions held by real people. So those ridiculous people keep having those opinions without ever learning. It's awful.

>>31276
There was a study on it recently, when trying to figure out why transexual porn is almost exclusively viewed by straight men, rather than by women or homosexuals. It was decided that men see the penis, especially a large penis, as a symbol of power and sexuality. This does not mean they want it inside them or anything, but it means that the presence of one makes them excited, because they associate it with their own sexuality.

While some women are "size queens" who really do get excited by the presence of a huge penis, that's not something that can be universally relied upon about women's sexuality. Honestly, women's sexual preferences are so much more varied than mens' that it's hard to come up with any single physical trait to focus on. It's why most porn aimed at women focuses on plotlines and the emotions of a character--see, for example, Twilight. Twilight is Girl Porn. It is about building up the Forbidden Romance, the quiet, brooding, emotional bad (but, ultimately, safe) bad boy who lives for nothing but the girl they're putting themselves in the shoes of. Not every woman's going to respond to that, but it's an example of how you effectively sexualize a male character in a way that women would respond to rather than a way that builds up a man's sense of power/virility.

...and, for bonus points, how you sexualize a male character in a way that makes men uncomfortable. Men all over the internet are up in arms about how terrible Twilight is, but ask yourself honestly--is it really about the writing? And if it is--how well-written is the porn you watch/read?

>>31282
>transexual porn is almost exclusively viewed by straight men
>exclusively viewed by straight men
>straight men

We need to have a talk.

>>31282
From what I've seen, women (aside from the women who actually like it of course) hate Twilight far more violently than men and will eagerly tear it apart plot, characters and all, compared to men who tend to stop at ">glitter vampires"

>>31279
Much better. You did a much better job than Willis did, and all without pictures.
By the way, the strawman isn't the argument that the man is making, the strawman is how he is portrayed, i.e. he is a fat, balding neckbeard who feels threatened by pretty men.
That said, the argument he is making really isn't all that ridiculous. Everything he says is logical, but that is assuming that the universality of impossibly muscled hulks in comics is an example of male objectification. And it is, to a degree, but as you demonstrated, it is not the same as the objectification of women in comics: the males are not sexual fantasies for female readers. However, it would be wrong to assume that everyone comes equipped with this knowledge. So, unfortunately, you'll have to explain this kind of thing more than once, preferably without dismissing the opposition as ugly, tactless nerds.

Why is utilitarian objectification acceptable while sexual objectification isn't?

>>31286
In this case, it's because we're discussing sexual objectification.
However, I think the argument that most people would give would be that since most of the writers are male, they must be okay with portraying characters as useful objects, and you should be too.
On the other hand, I'd argue that a little bit of either is an okay thing, so long as we don't let it get out of hand. At least, I can't fault it so much in a medium as sensationalistic as comics.

>>31286
Neither are really very good. The operative word in both of those is ibjectification. In writing, utilitarian or sexual objectification gets in the way of characterization, which, really, should always be more important than how sexy or useful someone is.

Having a character be sexually attractive is perfectly alright, it's just that the character's attractiveness (in a non-porn setting, and even then there's ways to not objectify while still being exciting) shouldn't overshadow the character itself. And a lot of sexual objectification reduces women not just to sex objects, but to ridiculously exaggerated sex objects.

In superhero comics women are always posing uncomfortably to show off their ass and tits at the same time, whereas men are always posing heroically. That's why something like the Hawkeye Initiative is so popular. Stuff like that brings this ridiculous nonsense to light and mocks it as it should be mocked.

So sexual objectification just gets in the way of storytelling. PLUS: it's super demeaning because of the objectification bit.

Don't treat people as things, basically, and both utilitarian and sexual objectification reduce people to things on some level, which is pretty shitty on a lot of levels, not to mention unnecessary.

Go back to tumblr.

>>30794
Are you really surprised Oda is a white knight? Its socially unacceptable to show a hero (even a dubious pirate one) to smack women even if they were villainesses.

Also anyone else play Infamous? Even during the Evil Route Cole has got to be the pansiest "villain" ever. He is so whipped by his girlfriend that its laughable and pathetic despite supposedly not upholding society's moral beliefs.

I think the only time I've ever seen a male protagonist off women and no one says shit about them suddenly not being heroes for killing women was Snake and Raiden in MGS4 (when they killed all those Frog soldiers who are full suit women).

>>30861
That's what Legend of Korra is for. No one liked Mako (took a shit on real life Mako's image) and his brother Dumbass Retard. Hell even Tenzin sucked hard at protecting his family (seriously he looked pathetic being shown tied up right next to his kids as if he himself was a kid).

>>31301
But Korra was also a crappy character.

Man that series was so lame in general.

>>31301
That actually bothered me. Legend of Korra is the latest example of the infamous cliche:

"To make women cool, let's make male characters unbearably lame or unlikable assholes."

You covered Mako, Bolin, and Tenzin, you only forgot to mention how out of their way they made Meelo to be disgusting compared to his sisters and how the villains were both (well three if you count Sato) men with not a single female antagonist in the mix.

It was essential Social Justice Reverse Sexism.

>>30939
Well that's a probem. If a man rears a family and he ends up having a daughter rather than a son, the man will turn into the biggest White Knight Faggot just to protect his "little princess."

Sorry fellas, you want Oda to not treat women with the kiddy gloves? Too bad. You will never see Zoro cut up a female (lest she's mannish, grotesque, or fat and ugly) or Luffy not get interrupted at the prospect of beating up an attractive female antagonist.

And as for that unfunny "joke" that Nami does where she beats up the ENTIRE crew (minus Robin because she's another woman meaning she's exempt from the beatings) for no reason. Don't expect that bullshit to go away any time soon. You don't see other series dropping that kind of bullshit.

FMA had Ed get battered around by Winry til he was bleeding fountains of blood and the bitch gets rewarded by marrying him (then again a woman wrote FMA, so not surprised she loves this bullshit gag). Other examples like Familiar Zero come to mind. Possibly one of the few times I was glad a creator died because his work was a piece of shit with tsundere abuse. Hell even Naruto still allows Sakura to beat the shit out of him for no reason and the faggot never hits her back either because Kishimoto doesn't allow it.

If these other series don't drop this crap, then I don't see One Piece doing it either. I keep imagining a chapter where Sanji is castrated by a woman and he being such a White Knight Faggot would probably ENJOY it since he's such a pathetic embarrassment of a man.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Don't you normally post on /jam/ and /co/?
Have you finally gotten dispirited at being banned so much you've decided to try it on a board where you won't be recognized immediately?

>>31305
What, you think people aren't going to recognize him immediately here?

>>31304
lol you got banned. No need to talk politics.

>>31304

>You will never see Zoro cut up a female (lest she's mannish, grotesque, or fat and ugly)

But Monet????

>>31308
Monet wasn't ugly in her human form and even in her bird mutant harpy form the marines said she was attractive. So she does count as a "hot chick" and as a result, Oda White Knighted for her. Hell even Caesar stabbing her was a complete unintended accident that was never planned by the guy but then again we're not talking about villains treating their underlings poorly, we're talking about heroes/protagonists doing this to attractive females.

>>31304
Hey what's going on. Just here to prove your entire rant wrong.

Have fun in ban land.

>>31310
Doesn't count, because Luffy let her beat him up afterwards. Plus Oda's daughter was not born yet meaning that Oda wasn't emotionally as big a white knight back then. And still what about all the beatings Nami dishes out with no one hitting the cunt right back? Fuck you.

I sincerely hope that Oda's daughter is either stolen from him by his wife in divorce court so that he sees a sample of the true nature of women as he loses a lot of his assets OR I hope his wife and daughter are brutally murdered one day via accident or any other reason.

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>>31312
How inadequate are you in bed? Be honest with me now. Is it erectile dysfunction? Is it below 5 inches fully erect?

You have some dark demons, child.

>>31308
He refused to hurt her no matter how much she attacked him, apart from that minor scratch to show her he COULD harm her if he wasn't pulling a Sanji for no explainable reason.
Even after he cut her in half without using Haki she got back up again and moved to attack until Tashigi actually delivered a bloody backslash.

Its really weird, because in the old days such as Whiskey Peak he didn't seem to have such an aversion to inflicting harm on women even when they weren't in his league, he crushed muscle-chick's skull until she passed out and also knocked out a pair of assassins, a child and a woman posing as a nun and an innocent kid with the back of his blade.
But for some reason now he refuses to even strike proper non-lethal impacts, while when it comes to dudes he still cuts them down with large jets of blood shown.

Man I wonder if Rebecca is gonna be as much of a total jobber as Tashigi, its pretty horrible to watch.

Goddammit that's not the point of Zoro/Monet and fuck this thread for going back to it.

>>31316
Well hey fuck you too buddy. It was a pretty bad scene though.

>>31315
Will it really be jobbing if some random male main character saves her from the consequences?

>>31320
Its pretty tiresome watching every chick that tries to fight 'like a man' being so pathetic and having no credibility.

Boa Hancock is only a semi-exception, she might fight physically but she still relies on her sex-powers and the fact her blows get buffed so that they turn things to stone.
Plus that bitch is crazy from childhood abuse and her main joke is how obsessed she is with Luffy (for punching out one of the caste that abused her) while he's not interested.

>>31303
Yeah, but I don't think Mako and Bolin were intentionally loser faggots

They were trying too hard with Mako to recreate Fanfiction Zuko, a smoldering coolguy firebender who realizes his girlfriend is shit and goes for the hot waterbender. Bolin was supposed to be Sokka now in Earth Flavor

>>31326
Bolin could have been Sokka until they went with "Bolin makes me lol" and made him a limp-dicked loser who barely qualified as a secondary character.
I mean look at how he is first introduced, girls calling his name, known for always bringing his fangirls into the locker room, and then look at him for the rest of the series.

Even if Sokka was a guy who had alot of pratfalls the dude was a pimp, and he actually contributed with his smarts and even with his boomerang at times.

>>31324
Boa Hancock somewhat annoys me. She's nothing more than a joke character and an embarrassment for the Shichibukai organization. While Buggy being a Shichibukai is funny, Hancock being a joke doesn't work. I felt like the reason Oda didn't have Luffy punch her face in was because he wanted to white knight for her (since she isn't grotesque or fat). So here we have this mean nasty queen bitch who mistreats even women (she seemed more like a misanthrope aka hating ALL of everything that exists beyond the human species) and at the convenient last moment "Sob backstory" so that Luffy doesn't want to fight her anymore and then came the heavy handed bullshit about Love Sickness which is up there with horribly written parts of One Piece like Sanji's nose bleed being treated like a serious incident that he was going to die off.

All this sack of bullshit just so Oda doesn't have to draw Luffy beating up a woman and so that Boa Hancock ended up being his most obsessive fangirl. Now I realize that Hancock could have been stronger than Luffy, but let's be honest with ourselves this is SHOUNEN. A genre of Japanese comics famous for pulling DEM out the ass just of have protagonists win their conflicts. Need I remind people of "Nightmare Luffy" mode?

As you say, when it comes to female characters like men it comes to two reasons why they fail to complete the packaged experience:

1) The mangaka is a white knight and wants to protect even female antagonist/villainesses.

2) End result is they never measure up in terms of substance.

Speaking of this issue anyone else laugh at the scene in Dragon Ball Z when Videl got her ass handed to her? Even the audience watching the fight was going to the referee "Stop the fight! Can't you see its an innocent woman being beaten! Stop it!"

That was so fucking retarded, I seem to recall that Goku and Krillin started those tournaments as little children and no one ever called out for the fights to be stopped just because they were kids getting thrashed by adults. But Videl? She was a twat who was a fucking teenager and old enough to consent to the rules of the tournament and stubbornly rejected giving up every chance she got by the referee. I'm supposed to feel sorry for her thrashing? No way, she got everything she deserved. After refusing to throw in the towel the second time all her suffering was self inflicted.

Anyways, I hate how most mangakas are white knight pussy begging faggots. The only time I recall a heroic male completely murder the ass of a hot female villain was Roy Mustang vs Lust from FMAB:

Roy Mustang Vs Lust HD

And the only reason I think this was allowed to happen was because FMA's manga was written by a woman.

>>31329
Man why do you ban-evade and come back here to post the exact same diatribes?

What is it about +4chan that keeps you returning so obsessively?
If you want to decry "Bitches & Whores" nonstop there's entire forums on the net dedicated to the subject where you can find like-minded peers.

>>31329
One Piece is a goofy series targeted at young boys. Those are jokes. Bad jokes, but jokes. Everything has faults when you scrutinize it to unreasonable and unwarranted levels. You're leagues away from Tumblr; suffice it to say nobody gives a shit about any of this, you nuisance.

Furthermore, you have yet to answer my question about your sad penis. Or is it perhaps that you yearn to have a penis? Oooh~

>>31328
>>31326
And yet Bolin is still widely regarded as one of the more likable characters in that whole series. Also a cutie. Also funny. Also brave. Also this is not /a/.

>>31331
Its called sympathy, people feel bad at him for being so pathetic and that the writers screwed him over so badly.

Its not hard to be
>>regarded as one of the more likable characters in that whole series
when your closest comparisons are Mako and Korra.

>>31332
I know why I like him. Amirite? Amirite?!

>>31334
Thats a large expanse of some easily ploughed earth right there.

Guys, you're arguing with Adachi-anon. Stop paying attention to Adachi-anon.

>>31331
Most Bolin talk in the circles I frequent just consider him wasted potential because he ended up becoming the silly underused green background character totally overshadowed by his red brother

At least he's not alone since that whole Makorra shitfest left Asami pretty shafted too

This thread
Fujoshi inclinations + Women's Studies platitudes + obvious breast envy = What boys like is wrong, and Oda should draw enlightened vaginally powerful womyn instead of sexually attractive ones.

>>31523
Did you really have to revive this thread just to shitpost?

I just wanna say, one of the only things that bothers me in the show now is Nami's outfit. I mean c'mon girl, put a freaking shirt on. Yes, we're all very impressed with your boobs.

I dunno, it's just a pet peeve really, but something about Nami's permanent bikini top just kinda irks me.

While it also doesn't bother me much, I have to admit that every chick looks kinda the exact fucking same now. I just kinda wish that there was another fat badass chick like Alvida.

>>33018
Alvida wasn't any more badass than say, Jora.

>>31294
This.
Looks like some precocious first-year Womyns Studies/slut walkers found a new soapbox.