Toei Entertainment everybody. Giving people two mouths on top of each other since the world's been turnin'.

Nah but seriously, Blackbeard is awesome. He's also very vulnerable and surprisingly human-like. He's not the brightest, definitely not the bravest, and has been shown to be a conniving opportunist through and through. That's what makes a good villain.
Decken is also a more recent villain that I really liked, even if Oda completely gave him the shaft in the single most anti-climactic villain ending ever seen in manga history. And contrary to popular opinion, I also really liked Hody's "motivations" - or lack thereof. It's just that his character was lacking and bland.

CP9 has always been my favorite. We got some great and funny fights out of them and they just had interesting chemistry.

Hard to pick. What I like about One Piece's villains is that their motives are sound, unlike OTHER shonens. No one's 'evil', they just have different wants, even if it's just power.

I like Crocodile, because I want to see what drives him to conquer. He wants an ancient weapon, but we don't really know WHY. Does he really want to rule?

Also, I like Eminem/Eneru. His goal was to visit the moon, so he decided to sink an entire cloud island with lightening.

This guy right here.

My favorite Shichibukai.

First off, I dig his whole motif. The horror movie/Halloween theme is something that has always appealed to me

He has a really neat power, and really interesting ways of utilizing it. Changing the size and shape of things, instantly swapping himself with his body double, the ability to both incapacitate an enemy and leave them with a debilitating handicap towards sunlight by stealing their shadows, and then to be able to either absorb those shadows himself or use them to animate corpses? That is some cool ass shit.

And most importantly of all, I love how he's some sort mirror of a possible future that could await Luffy himself. Striving to become pirate king, building a fearsome crew....and losing it all in the New World, causing him to snap.

I also want to give a shout-out to the old East Blue villains. Because, really, if it wasn't for Kuro and Krieg, I never would have started reading.

Arlong, Crocodile, Spandam and the Admirals. I really hated those first three and really enjoyed the arcs where they're the primary antagonists, while I enjoy the Admirals because they're so badass and powerful and they've always been a threat to Luffy since Enies Lobby.

Smoker is great too though you can't hate him, he's a good guy deep down. Fuck there are quite a few, One Piece has always had such a great variety of characters.

If I had to take a moment and point out one of the less-known I'd actually like to observe Kuro.

He sadly wound up getting shoved in with all the other one-off villains from the East-Blue arc where I assume Oda was still just throwing enemies out since he wasn't sure if OP would survive for this long. But if you examine him he's actually a pretty damn interesting villain in his own right.

I mean, he works for a rich family his whole life, pretends to be nice and helpful and charming, and all the while he's hating himself for essentially having to put on a charade. He doesn't have any remorse for the fact he's going to kill and take advantage of a helpless girl, he doesn't have any sympathy to the people who regard him as an upstanding gentleman, he's only interested in retiring without the military hunting him down. And he doesn't care if he has to murder his own men, destroy a town, and kill an innocent and sickly girl for his own goal.

Think about that for a second. Aarlong was fuelled by some race-related hatred. Black-Beard's a cowardly backstabbing scumbag, CP9/Morgan were just fuelled by a corrupt sense of justice. Hell even Moriah wanted an army and took the shadows of a lot of innocents, still wasn't anything out and out horrid.

Aside from maybe Doctor Hogback, Kuro could very well be the only real psychopath in One-Piece. I'd really like to see what happened to him. Did he get discovered? Or do you think he ran away after Luffy beat him? Is he attempting the same shit on another island or is he actually going after the Straw-Hats?

Is he gonna even make a come-back? Hard to say... but he's (thus far) the only East-Blue villain that Oda hasn't really made a callback too. I mean hell, even Morgan's impact is still around (if we think about Helmeppo).

>>27715
I never frequented forums talking about One Piece until recently, just read them by myself for the most part.

So I gotta ask, did anyone else get a Street Fighter vibe from these guys in terms of their attacks/techniques?

>>27720
I just find it hilarious how he's characterized as this "genius" when it reality he pretended to be a fucking butler for two years to inherit a house on a deserted island that no one gives a shit about and still ended up failing

>>27720
I liked knowing that it was Kuro who fucked up morgans face and actually got him a promotion using a double.

Also, Kuro was the first person to use soru, in my opinion.

>>27720
Kuro probably won't come back, considering the Thing He Did That Really Pissed Luffy Off was quit being a pirate so he could retire in a nice little peaceful life. (With murder but still, he wanted to retire)

>>27723
Oda's said that Kuro technically was going as fast as a Soru-user, but he lacked the ability to see where he was going.

>>27720
>Is he gonna even make a come-back? Hard to say... but he's (thus far) the only East-Blue villain that Oda hasn't really made a callback too. I mean hell, even Morgan's impact is still around (if we think about Helmeppo).

With regards to your comment about Morgan...does anyone think the man himself will comeback? Considering that Oda took the time to show him escape during the Coby cover arc and also made a quick appearance in Jango's cover arc as a still free man...it seems to me that Oda wanted us to be very aware that he made that he made a clean getaway for SOME reason

Also, Kuro coming back would also be something I would welcome. Considering that he's officially dead, he could pretty much return with any identity he could want. He could be in the Government by now for all we know. Could be an excuse to actually work Jango and Fullbody into a story in an actually meaningful way. Whatever Kuro is doing, he probably wouldn't want his old subordinate ratting him out to his new Marine buddies

Luffy's going through the New World now, I want Oda to make it a mysterious and dangerous sea to explore and I think bringing back Kuro and all these other weak, lowly characters would really shit all over that.

Luffy's in the big boy sea, time to deal with all new big boys and not shit like Buggy

>>27722

If your aim is to retire in peace then aiming big isn't really an important criteria.

Even so, the only reason he failed was cause Luffy, Zorro and Nami happened onto the island just as he was enacting his plan. It was really more or less a case of bad luck and bad timing.

Kuro's not coming back. Sorry, peeps. Last we saw of him he was drifting through the sea in a boat being a depressed, hopeless drunk. He also has no reason to come back, since he finally got what he wanted: Being retired and "free." Only East Blue villain I see as having a slightly higher chance of coming back (aside from Warlord Buggy, of course) is Krieg. Simply because Gin and their crew was completely absent from the Decks of the World cover story.

Also this >>27729

>>27731

>Last we saw of him he was drifting through the sea in a boat being a depressed, hopeless drunk.

huh? Where was this?

>>27732
Anime-only cameo when Luffy got his new bounty after Enies Lobby, I believe. While technically not canon, it's not something they could do without first consulting Oda.

>>27733

You don't seriously think that, right? The anime crew does whatever it wants, up to and including explicitly contradicting canon.

>>27734
Like what? The only one I can think of was that filler arc where Zoro could cut steel, yet in-canon he couldn't until Alabasta.

>>27734
Like what? The only one I can think of was that filler arc where Zoro could cut steel, yet in-canon he couldn't until Alabasta.

OP here. This is also a villain appreciation thread. Feel free to lavish praise and adoration to these fantastically fiendish rogues and how they almost never fail to intrigue or entertain.

Unlike SOME antagonists...

>>27734
Yes, I do seriously think that. Toei's team and Oda correlate very closely on almost every step the anime takes. A lot more than you may actually be aware of. They've been known to commit some weird fuck ups before -- like adding a Poneglyph into the story before they were even introduced in Alubarna -- but bringing back a major ex-villain for a cameo is most certainly something they would have had to run through Oda and he approve.

>>27738

>major ex-villain

Are you serious.

>>27760
NO I'M NOT SERIOUS I'M JOKING ABOUT EVERYTHING HAHAHA SMELL MY FARTS

>>27715
There were only two members of CP9 I actually liked...Kaku and the big bad wolf

The majority of the rest bored me, and I consider Lucci overrated as fuck

>>27776

Most of the places I talk about OP they consider Lucci to be the blandest and most boring of the major arc big bads, so how could he be overrated? Like, there is no rung below him on the ratings ladder for you to place him on.

>>27780
And yet he gets the most fanart and is one of the most talked about. He is overrated.. mainly by the dumbest of fanboys who think Zoro's asshole is a treasure trove of sunshine and dreams, but still.

Hody is a more interesting villain to me than Lucci. No joke.

>>27782

Agreed on all counts. It's probably because CP9 is the closest thing OP has to whatever is is you would call groups like Org 13 from Kingdom Hearts or Akatsuki from that one manga. You know, the Matching Outfits Gang (With a Theme!), which attracts "fandom" and "Original the Characters" like a roach motel.

>>27783

*whatever it is you would call

I liked Lucci.

I couldn't tell whether or not he had a sense of justice or he just liked fighting.

Lucci was alright but no one in CP9 could compare to Spandam in terms of being a villain

I hated Spandam's guts, what a worthless coward

>>27789

This really.

I got the feeling most of the CP9 members were there to just be overpowered fodder anyway. Not necessarily bad, but the crux of Water 7 and by extension, Ennis Lobby, was Robin's story and loyalties as well as Franky, and Spadam pretty much dealt with Franky's back-story in a nice way.

I don't really think it was an Aarlong situation where you could blame all of a Straw Hat's tragedy on one person, or a Crocodile/Enel thing where one guy was orchestrating a horrible event and being a douche about it. CP9 were really more or less like the Marines in general, opposition to the Straw Hats but not out and out malicious, just controlled by an oppressive and corrupt bureaucratic order.

You weren't suppose to hate any of the CP9 as much as you were suppose to wonder how the Straw Hats could get through these guys.

With that said, would it have hurt to give them more character and possibly a better idea where they were coming from? Or possibly give Lucci a bit more obvious of a motivation? Probably, but I'll take what I can get.

>>27790
He's a stated sadist. Only joined the WG so he could kill people legally.

>>27790

With all this said. I'll list off the OP villains I know of and give my opinion on them. Here I go!

Alvida:[b] Is pretty much on the same level as Buggy right now. Except probably less so. See Buggy for more details.

[b]Axe Hand Morgan: Honestly pretty forgettable. I would be surprised if Oda brought him back. All he did was show that the marines were a fairly corrupt organization.

Buggy: A nice intro-villain for Luffy as well as a pretty entertaining comic relief villain. Isn't all the competent, isn't all that charismatic, and has even helped Luffy on occasion. Not sure what to think of him really, but I don't see him becoming a serious threat any time soon.

Kuro: Kind of an interesting villain. He's sort of like Crocodile with less ambition and a much smaller scale. If he somehow wound up in a position of power and influence I could see him being a real threat, but since he seemed to want out of the pirate business and we haven't seen much of him yet I'm assuming he's pretty much gone.

Don Krieg: We know he's returning to the Grand Line, we know he's out against the Straw Hats, we know he's kind of a bastard... I dunno. I get the feeling we haven't seen the last of him. But then we haven't gotten ANY indication of him so if he turns around and winds up being a full-on-arc-boss I'd be surprised.

Aarlong: The first villain I really hated simply by how he was written. Wasn't really as funny as Buggy, as cunning as Kuro, as out and out dirty like Don Krieg, but god DAMN was he just a fucking asshole. I mean really, by the time the Straw Hats decided to fight him you were fucking BEGGING for his shit to get kicked in and for him to get knocked down a peg... course when you consider how shitty Fishpeople's lots in life are in the One Piece world, you start to get the feeling he might just be a bit justified. But even then...

Wompul: Ehhhh... he's kinda like Alvida/Buggy I guess. More or less just a comic relief villain who gets his comeuppance. Still, what he did to Hirukuluk DOES make him mildly despicable so I guess I like him more as a villain than I do Buggy/Alvida who I see more as rivals or annoyances to Luffy.

Crocodile: Crocodile to me, is enjoyable the same way a Bond villain is enjoyable... in fact he pretty much IS a Bond villain. Only with superpowers. He was dirty, unlikable, yet still somehow suave and cunning all at once. A pretty good intro villain for the Grand Line and a pretty intimidating force in his own right. Still... I dunno, I feel like his introduction in the later chapters felt like he was just there for fan-service. I dunno what Oda can really do with him after Allabasta since we've established Haki renders him no longer invulnerable to anything (plus he's technically weaker than other logia since a substance actually renders him hurtable). So if he does make a comeback he's basically have to either be a mysterious 3rd party or be fucking with Luffy in a less direct manner.

Enel: Honestly I don't like him all that much. He just seemed like a pompus jackass with a god-complex and I pretty much figured out what would happen once I knew his powers. Pokemon already told me rubber's immune to electricity, you have a main character who's made of rubber and a guy with lightning abilities. I WONDER HOW HE'LL MANAGE TO STOP HIM!? Still I enjoyed the final confrontation, and I like Skypiea for what it does.

Foxy:: I'm getting kinda tired talking about joke-villains and their one-off jokieness.

CP9:: As I already said, I feel like CP9 weren't meant to really be outright villains as much as terrible obstacles for the Strawhats to overcome. Still, it was nice to get more insight into Robin's backstory and they made for some great fights. They certainly lacked in outright personality, but it didn't ruin anything about them.

Spadam: A pretty big douche. Only thing is, he's pretty much if Helmeppo was in a real position of power and had super hax bodyguards. He's certainly good for projecting our hatred onto so we get some good pathos when he gets his crap kicked in, but otherwise I can't comment much on him.

Gecko Moriah: I dunno why but I just don't remember getting this villain. I mean his motif was good enough (the Halloween horror level basically) and his powers were cool, but the guy himself just seemed like a crazy-mad scientist but 20ft tall and not really interesting all things considered. I dunno why but I just don't look back on him fondly.

Magellan: He counts as the villain of Impel down right? Then I guess I have full confidence when I say: Who?

Akainu: I get the feeling I should really hate this guy more than I do. And I'm not sure why. I mean he killed Ace and is pretty much incarnate of all that is wrong with Marine mentality...

Hody: Meh. He's ok I guess. I think I would've found him more enthralling had Fish-men island been more than a proving grounds to show how strong the Straw Hats got.

Caesar: Seems to have the mad-scientist thing down better than Moriah IMHO and he seems to be much more of an outright bastard. I look forward to seeing if he goes anywhere.

And finally:

Black Beard: Hrm. This one's hard to say for real. On one hand: I like how he's made out to be Luffy's opposite/rival but is pretty much an ugly as sin monstrous fat-guy. I like how he's powerful but still kind of a wimp and is apparently willing to betray and attack anyone for money and glory... it's just... I don't really find the guy as captivating a villain as I think I should.

And I think that has to do with the fact that I haven't really seem him prove himself to be a real fucking monstrous douche like Aarlong or Spadam. He destroyed Wompul's kingdom (Which really was a good thing all things considered) and he assisted in killing White Beard, which was terrible but then I wasn't terribly invested in White Beard so I'm not exactly damming Black-Beard.

I dunno, it seems like Oda's building him up to be the final boss on one hand, but on the other hand he hasn't really done anything out and out horrifyingly terrible yet so I can't exactly say I'm waiting for the day Luffy and him fight so Luffy and shut him up once and for good so... I guess I'll give him a solid 7/10?

>>27792

Oh. Well that's something.

>>27793
>Wompul
wat

You missed Bellamy and Decken, who's co-villain to FI. Also Kizaru counts as the main antagonist of Sabaody.

>>27795

I haven't been looking up any of these guys names during that whole thing. Gimme just one misspelling please.

>Bellamy

Ah right. He was pretty much a douche. Kinda like a wimpier and pettier Aarlong. It was cathartic to see Luffy punch him into the dirt like he was nothing, but that's about all.

>Decken

Hrm. He's kinda like Foxy/Alvida/Buggy/etc in that he seemed more like a joke than anything else. I mean he was CREEPY sure, how he was praying on that poor giant fish princess, but he wasn't really all that enthralling or intimidating.

>Kizaru

Hrm. He's kinda like a joke character for the marines, if that makes sense. I mean he's powerful and dangerous but I never really got the sense he was an outright threat to them. I dunno really, Oda could turn around and have him blow up the Thousand Sunny or something but until then I'm not entirely sure what to think of him.

>>27796
Kizaru was the sole reason the Strawhats were split up, bro. Watchu mean he's not a threat to them?

>>27797

>Kizaru was the sole reason the Strawhats were split up, bro

I attributed that more to Kuma kinda slapping them across oceans like it was nothing, and him being kinda this giant force of nature.

I dunno man, maybe it's just because I don't recall Kizaru really attacking the Straw Hats directly (if he did feel free to correct me) or his generally laid back personality. He just doesn't exhume an aura of fear or intimidation like some other baddies, ya know?

It might be because I was speed-reading through a lot of the chapters/arcs he was in so I couldn't rightfully absorb everything going on there, but that's just the impression I got.

>>27798
Kuma was protecting them from Kizaru

>>27799

I got that, but at the same time that's like holding an invisible guillotine over the main character's heads.

I dunno, I'm just not as much impressed by the implication of destruction and power as I am by the display of it... at least in this case I wasn't.

And dude, I'm not saying Kizaru is a bad or forgettable or even incompetent villain. I'm just saying I don't personally find him all that intimidating at this very moment. Something I could totally change my opinion on as the series progresses, but it's just not that way right now. No need to defend him or draw up a million and one examples why I'm wrong, just give us your own opinion and maybe that'll suffice.

Spandam was a decent villain because of his past history alone, the events of Enies Lobby definitely made him one of the better ones in the series

Not only was he a power hungry maniac, wielding CP9 like his own personal army and horribly abusing Robin because he could without fear of retaliation, but he got to control CP9 because of his past record, which included getting shipwright Tom arrested and probably killed unjustly as well as being the reason Franky became a cyborg. He was weak and cowardly but no one could touch him until the end of Enies Lobby. Robin snapping his back was one of the most satisfying moments of the series.

>>27798
You need to go back and read that arc.
Kuma was forced to intervene and separate them because Kizaru would have otherwise arrested them if not outright slaughtered them all. The latter being much more likely. None of the Strawhats came even close to posing a challenge to Kizaru, that's why Rayleigh and Kuma stepped in.

I disagree with you on his character, in fact, I'd argue he's at times the scariest of the three Admirals. Because Akainu is your stereotypical sourpatch-faced, big hulking meany, but Kizaru acts almost in a deranged, uncaring manner. He kills people with a smile on his face and hides his true menace behind his goofy attitude.

>>27798
You are missing Kizaru's subtle portrayal.
I think to this day, he's the only one who smiles when he addresses pirates in an absolutely serious and deadpan tone
"you did well, but your journey ends heeereee."
and completely means it as well.

>>27800
During the War of the Best, Kizaru first move was aimed directly at Whitebeard, because he believed that by removing the "King", he could end the war faster. A reflection of his casual but merciless disposition?
He said the same things about Oars Jr and all the pirates in the plaza. "Should I shoot him through the head?" "Do I have permission to execute them all?"
Also, he was the one who destroys THE key. If Mr. 3 wasn't there, Ace would have never been freed. lol Oda would have executed him regardless

Aokiji is an idealist. Akainu is a door-to-door fundie.
Kizaru is a peacemaker.
1/3

>>27806
Woah woah woah woah woah -- hold up. I did NOT know Kizaru was gonna be in Z. When did this happen? How is this gonna fit in to the plot? Shit.

>>27803
>>27804
>>27805

Oh right. Now I recall why I don't find Kizaru all that threatening.

Cause in my mind he's Jeff Goldblum, and every time he talks I just imagine Jeff Goldblum doing a Bela Lagosi impression (ala in that Goosbumps game) or him doing that spiel from Jurassic park about God creating Dinosaurs.

And I'll be damned the day I find Jeff Goldblum intimidating.

"God creates dragons. God destroys dragons. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dragons... dracuuule..."

>>27811
I could see Jeff Goldblum pulling off "intimidating"....but not in the sense of "Oh my god, he's going to kick my ass," and more in the sense of "I don't want to sleep in the same room as this person because he's probably going to cut me in my sleep." He could do creepy-intimidating, but not badass-intimidating.

>>27811
Uh.. alright then.

Very, very few of the One-Piece villains have, in my eyes, any chance at being returning threats. Most of them had their lives improved by defeat (Crocodile rediscovering his dreams and returning to the sea, Enel conquering the moon, Wapol becoming a successful businessman) became the Straw Hats' allies (Buggy, Bon Clay, Foxy if the anime is anything to go by) have no real means or motivation to seek vengeance (Magellan or Krieg chasing Luffy seems implausible) or ended up so utterly broken that there's really no way for them to return (Morgan, Kuro and Jones come to mind). Hell, even Arlong is out of the picture given what we've seen in Fishman Island, Spandam is plotting against the former CP9 with his dad, and Bellamy is dead.

I get the feeling most future villains in One-Piece are either people the Strawhats haven't opposed directly (Akainu, Doflamingo, Big Mom, Kaido, Blackbeard) or are people we know nothing about.

That having been said, ol' Croco D. Isle is my favorite villain for his absolute smugness and Blackbeard wins out as being a brilliant overall design for a series's big bad.

But isn't Croc's rediscovered dream basically the same as his original dream, only instead of skulking in Paradise he's skulking in the New World? Would you be the least bit surprised if he was one of the people bidding on Caesar's WMD? I wouldn't.

>>27822
Yes and no.

Remember, Crocodile was stated as having started out very similar to Luffy, but time and circumstance eroded him into a bitter jackass whose solution to betrayal and loss was to sever all personal connections and treat everyone as disposable pawns who'd stab you in the back if they ever got the chance. He had spent decades as a background manipulator insulated by layer upon layer of deceit and guilde, trusting nobody and engineering a bloody civil war for his own gain.

It was defeat at Luffy's hands, a younger and still idealistic version of himself who refused to buckle as he had, and subsequent daring rescue by the very Baroque Works agents he had intended to sacrifice in his plan, that helped him remember what it was originally about. (Having Goldenweek literally spell it out for him probably helped) Then, after getting his hand(s) dirty again breaking out of Impel Down with Luffy, to whom he bore no ill will, and then fighting against and later alongside his old nemesis, he set back out into the seas as a legitimate pirate once more.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's involved in unscrupulous shit or even ends up scraping with Luffy again in some capacity. I simply feel that, like Buggy, he's become less an antagonist and more a supporting character.

But that's just how I see it.

>>27823
>It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's involved in unscrupulous shit or even ends up scraping with Luffy again in some capacity. I simply feel that, like Buggy, he's become less an antagonist and more a supporting character.
I'd call that a fair assessment of both Crocodile and Buggy's roles in the future. They've gone from villains to wild cards, and they've got their own shit going on but it's not necessarily something that will require intervention on the part of the heroes one way or the other.

Ideally, Buggy would have small side stories of him trying to run shit in the first half of the Grand Line trying to eat up the scraps while everyone else is out fighting in the New World. That way old characters could show up and we could get more in depth information on how the first half has changed since the time skip.

But no, I'm betting Oda will have Buggy's weak ass somehow make it into the New World and we'll probably have him shoved down our throats for an arc

>>27825
Buggy can be a fun character when given the right roles; he's not really the nuisance people make him out to be. Especially after the anime got done wrecking his asshole in Impel Down and Marineford. And as a Warlord, he would have access to the New World. Or certain parts of it, anyway.

Buggy's my fav.

You know he's gonna do something awesome in the future considering his plot pedigree.

>>28280
being Oda's favorite character doesn't hurt either

>>28281

Didn't he say it was Shanks when asked a second time later, though?

>>27806
He's going to be in Z? That's interesting I guess. Doubt he will really take part in the plot though, more likely he will just make some kind of lesser appearance.

>>28784
As far as I know, he'll only be in one scene where he's shown fighting Z in what may or may not be a flashback of sorts. Most likely something similar to the opening scenes of Strong World with Garp and Sengoku.

Oh yeah, 'Z'. Is it fair to say I'm just really not feeling it about this guy?

He's being hyped as fuck which is understandable seeing as he's the big enemy of the movie, "Former admiral" and "Strongest enemy the Strawhats have faced yet". But looking at him he comes across as just,,,, generally kind of lame, when you compare him to the Admirals of the actual series.
Obviously we have to wait to see him 'in action', maybe he'll be a really impressive/interesting character in all regards, who knows.

>>28787
http://special.movies.yahoo.co.jp/detail/20121116136994/
This trailer gives a decent glimpse of him in action. Seems threatening but not sure if interesting.

>>28792
>Avril Lavigne music twice

So that was it right, it was only used for trailers right? Please

>>28794
Oda is a fan of Avril Lavigne, he specifically chose her to do these covers for the new movie.

If I know my One Piece movies, which I only sorta do since I don't rewatch them and so it's been like 6-8 years since I saw most of them, what will happen is that one or both of the songs will play during the credits. If it's just one then the other one will play during a not too important part near the start of the movie. Since they're calling "Bad Reputation" the theme of the movie then that's the one that's probably going to be playing during the credits, giving you ample time to stop watching. If that song at the end of the trailer is the other song of hers then it would be the one that plays near the beginning, and while it's less skippable it's also less terrible.

Either way you will PROBABLY only have to suffer through one of them.

Wait nevermind I just found out that both of the songs will be played during the credits. Something else by someone else who doesn't suck is going to play during the intro.

YOUR EARS ARE SAFE

Speaking of bad guys, and the One Piece Z movie, I wonder how good Z's underlings are going to be? I mean in the trailer we saw two people who might fit the bill, a guy who can apparently make plants grow superfast/big and a blue-haired chick who seems like she can touch you and turn you into a child (Isn't the Bonney's ability?)

>>28811
>>Ain is an attractive young woman who ate the Modo Modo Fruit, which allows her to return the age of anything she touches to a younger age

>>28811
>>Bins is a large man dressed like a ninja and ate the Mosa Mosa Fruit (Growth Growth Fruit), allowing him to make plants grow at ludicrous speed.

>>28941
The difference could be in the "anything" bit. Maybe her ability isn't to change the ages of people, but to change, say, cheese into milk or swords into lumps of iron or something.

>>28943
I think she changed Nami into a little girl in the trailer, but you could be right in her ability to regress the age of things she touches applies to objects as well as people to make it different than the other age-modifying fruit? If not it would just be a boring and gimped version of it.

>>28944
The question is, how are they gonna change her BACK?

>>28799
that sucks. I was looking forward to some really cheesy cool 90's montage music with the straw hats running away or something.

>>28945
Well we see her in her new movie 'red army' outfit so obviously she gets changed back somehow. But as for the how maybe the effect only lasts so long (youth is fleeting...) or maybe Ain can consciously undo it/if you beat her unconscious maybe it stops working like with Shiki's ability to make things float.

...SPEAKING OF SHIKI-
He had a cool design, his df power was pretty neat and godly, his movie was awesome...but does anyone else think his plan was retarded?
He spent 20 years making these giant aggressive animals, which to be fair are fairly fearsome and would certainly devastate the weak East Blue islands easily....but why didn't he just use his levitations abilities to drop some of the floating islands he was capable of making on them?
Total devastation and without the the 20 year waiting period.
Plus using his ability to float and drop large bodies of water would be a more useful assault against the more powerful DF-user enemies he might encounter than those animals, though likely he wasn't truly thinking as far as facing the cream of the marines to take over the world than he was with destroying East Blue because of his obsession with Roger.

>>28948
his obsession with Roger was what more than likely fueled his plan

He didn't just want to simply crush and destroy East Blue, he wanted to make it suffer and enjoy it from up high

This guy as a character might not have been all that great a villain but bloody hell did he have an arsenal.

It was less like a suit of armour and more like some sort of super powered-armour, I'm amazed all those guns and ammo and what have you fit in something like that.

>>29670

What about the Celestial Dragons? God it was satisfying to see them get knocked around.

>>29670
>>29765
You know what? He was my favorite East Blue villain. His fight with Luffy felt the most intense to me, much moreso than the Arlong fight, despite that one having more emotional baggage.

And you know, in a way, Krieg won that fight.
If Sanji hadn't been there to pull Luffy out of the water, and if Gin hadn't flattened him with that last blow, Luffy would have drowned while Krieg was still standing. Not a fair win, by any means, and if Luffy hadn't been incapacitated he would've finished Krieg himself, but hey, you take what you can get, right?

>>28941
I've seen some clips from the film regarding her.

Obviously this is SPOILERS but apparently she's going to be Zoro's opponent in the film... and she actually goes basically toe to toe with him in a face to face battle!? This is most unusual for One Piece...

As for >>28942 well obviously enough as the only major officer left he goes to Sanji, fights all ninja style with the addition of growing plants around him

>>29773
Sure its awesome to see them get their shit wrecked but as individuals they are pretty pathetic, they have no power, ability or intelligence and just rely on the fact they are so pampered and 'royal' that everyone does what they say to fufill their base and petty whims.
Its not like they have any plans, they just bumble along, slave-taking, stealing women to be their wives, or shooting little children that happen to be in their path

>>29791
The only way Krieg could come back as a threat now if he turned into a cyborg.

That way he could keep his theme of being a walking armory of weapons while being made stronger.

Maybe it was done against his will and he's just a captain in someone else's cyborg army Gin crippled from the poison gas exposure would willing undergo cyborg-modification after he was unable to save his captain from it, simply so he could continue to serve under and protect his boss.

>Sky Demon moniker
>feathers everywhere
>flight
>garish dress even by One Piece standards

Anyone else think Doflamingo might actually be from Skypiea or descended from Skypieans?

>>31318
None of those things have a single thing to do with Skypeians.

>>27717
His reckless final gambit on Thriller Bark and his so-so performance during the Whitebeard War aside, you got to admire that despite having been thoroughly beaten by Kaidou, he still wants to take on the Yonkou for vengeance while his fellow ex-Warlord, Doflamingo, is either too cowardly or sane to even entertain the idea.

Moriah is no longer mentally stable. Whether you see that as a negative or positive is up to you.

>>31318
His family line is of a higher level than simply some winged humans

This guy.

>>27821
>Bellamy is dead

Nigga what?

>>31611
He was when the post was made. Everybody thought Belly was dead.

They should have reembered, NO ONE DIES IN ONE PIECE (that isn't a flashback)

Turns out Whitebeard and Ace faked their deaths, for reasons. "Magma beats Fire" Haha...

>>31318
Now we know what his deal is more

>>31613
they're just chilling on Raftel with Sabo, Tom, Bell-mere, Kuina, Dr. Kureha, Olivia and non-ghost Pell