>>26417
Wait, how much have we seen her do in her own body since the time skip? I remember she deflected a cannonball, and then tried to swordfight Law, which he used his power to fuck her up.
Keep in mind that Smoker wasn't able to beat him for as long as they fought either.
I figure she's probably somewhere a tier below the strawhats level, not a joke, but not somebody you expect them to lose to.

>>26414
>It's like Oda hates Tashigi almost as much as Hachi

Okay the rest of your post is dumb (not being able to beat Luffy certainly doesn't make you worthless), but why would Oda be seen as hating Hachi?

>>26414
>>26416
>>26417

Jesus christ, did you not even read this chapter?

Notice how strong Luffy said "four eyes" is. And that was Smoker, in a body he was not familiar with.

That means normally Tashigi is even stronger than that.

>>26421
Ehhhh, no. Going by the logic just on that page , he's saying that Tashigi is even stronger than she should be because it's Smoker actually fighting, while Smoker is weak because Tashigi has no idea what she's doing with his Devil Fruit. She isn't weak like she used to be, but Smoker IS the better of the two (no shit) and it's showing in their fight.

>>26422

Obviously. Tashigi is stuck in the body of a devil fruit use and Smokey is in the body of a normal human.

But all that was switched was their souls, nothing more. The strength that Smoker was attacking Luffy with was Tashigi's.

>>26423
Not how it works if you consider Sanji was worried about damaging Nami's body by using his usual strength.

>>26425
Sanji was kicking with the speed and energy he'd normally use. Nami's body wasn't trained to take that kind of contact. His physical strength was lowered because he's in Nami's body, but his mind tells him to kick the same way he would in his own body.

Apart from cutting up a cannonball and beating a couple of nameless mooks what has Tashigi actually done?

She loses quickly to every named character she goes up again, Robin, Law... Zoro would cream her if she didn't have the unfair advantage of looking identical to his dead friend.

She doesn't really have any credibility as a fighter.

>>26426

And Smoker wasn't afraid of going all-out in Tashigi's body, so that means her body is strong enough to take it.


>>26427

>Tashigi lost against someone who can sprout limbs out of nowhere and break bones no problem.
>Tashigi lost against the guy who beat Smoker; Smoker only lasting as long as he did because of logia hax.
>"Gaiz she's so weak omg"

Getting the short end of stick in all her fights doesn't make her weak. It means she has terrible luck.

Honestly, put an individual Strawhat in both those scenarios. Do you really think they'd be able to win so easily?

>>26428
So she's a rock Lee? Tries her hardest but never really amounts to anything no matter how much she improves.

>>26421
Except the part where Tashigi herself was really weak in a strong logia body like Smoker's, whereas smoker was still able to hit luffy hard in Tashigi's 'normal' body.

>>26421
More like Smoker can fight better in her body than she can

>>26429

Pretty much. Both of them are always stuck with opponents out of their league.

Though Oda's not the type to leave her hanging forever and ever.


>>26430

Tashigi was trying to use Smoker's fruit, said fruit not exactly being the most offensive from the getgo (like Ace's, for example). And she was using for the first time in a chaotic battleground.

Luffy wasn't able to control the gum gum fruit when he first ate it. Franky couldn't control Chopper's fruit when he was in his body either. What makes you think Tashigi would be just fine with it right off the bat?

>>26431

How does this make sense. at all.

>>26432
>How does this make sense. at all.

Knowledge of fighting techniques, lack of her usual clumsiness, etc.

>>26434

>Implying she doesn't know how to fight.

Anon pls.

Ouh, my God.. Who. The fuck. Cares.

Smoker sucks, Tashigi sucks, they're minor shit; whatever.

>>26438
You must be new to this One Piece thing.

Everyone matters.

>>26440
No they don't. Fuck Tashigi. Fuck your retarded arguing about stuff that does not matter. Nobody will give a fuck in three chapters.

>>26441
You should really calm down. It's not that serious.

>>26436
Sorry I meant more techniques.

You know, considering the YEARS of experience he has on her.

>>26442
No, YOU calm down! I don't need to calm down!

>>26443
Stop talking. Stop talking! STOP! No one cares! STOP!

>>26443

But all he was doing was stabbing at Luffy with his jutte.

And he has to work with the fact he can only work at short range now.

Are you saying short-range compramised stabbity stab is better fighting than precise swordsmanship?

>>26438
>>26441
>>26444
Haha, you're pathetic

>>26446
Haha shut the fuck up.



Bitch.

>>26438
Sorry bro, but Smoker's the best character in the show. He's better than the Luffy and the Robin combined.

>>26448
Which is why he's done so much. And beaten so many people.
Jee, bringing in Buggy and Alvida. I hope you're proud of your accomplishments, you sad joke.

>>26445
You know there's more to fighting than just using the weapon you have right?

>>26450

Yes, but both Tashigi and Smoker's fighting styles mainly use their weapons.

Smoker used to have his devil fruit to go with it. But now? Nope.

I'll just be glad to finally see someone that actually stands a chance against Luffy.

It's starting to get boring seeing him beat everyone with just a couple similar techniques.

I miss the days where Luffy had to come up with an uncommon strategy against a powerful foe.

Now he just kinda haki punches and speed blitzes the shit outta everything.

>>26457
Luffy overpowers people easily for about 80% of the series. It's actually rarer for him to have to come up with a bunch of new shit to beat an overwhelming opponent.

>>26470
Hell the series begins on the note of him just being like "Yup, wrecking everyone here while being almost completely unopposed."

I honestly rather have Luffy beat everyone's shit than that tiring anime cliche where they beat one villain and automatically get beaten by the next. As if it was some sort of level-system fighting game.
I'm looking your way, DBZ

One Piece, in all its goofy craziness and magic, has always been very realistic in its fights. If there's a villain who's weaker than Luffy, he's going to get beaten by Luffy. Simple. And most of the villains he faces have their real danger coming from other stuff besides their raw strength anyway. See Arlong, Spandam, Moriah, Hody, etc.

>>26473
true. Sometimes it does follow the next villain is stronger method, but oda set the world up before hand. We know who is stronger and who isn't. And the forward progression makes sense here too actually, because the further down the grandline you go, the stronger your opponents. Crocodile chilled in early paradise and wasn't a very strong warlord because of it. But hawkeye sometimes travels out of the danger zone, so we get a glimpse of powers to be early on in the series. It's good storytelling, and it's missing in a lot of shonen.

I've always loved that One Piece isn't afraid to make its characters broken for perfectly logical reasons.
Like how Enel is presented as being entirely as unstoppable as a person who can control lightning on every level should be, and how Luffy only outmatched him through the SHEER LUCK of being the only person on the planet naturally immune to his powers.

>>26495
To be fair he was a shark in a paddling pool.
He wouldn't be so unstoppably unmatched further along the grandline

>>26496
Enel is easily Admiral-tier powerful. This is a man who's not only a Logia and has extensive knowledge of haki, but can revive himself through completely broken means using his powers. I wouldn't call him unstoppable, cause I'm sure there are people out there who could have wiped the floor with him, but he's definitely one of the strongest characters so far seen in the show.

We'll see just how strong Eneru is when he comes back.

Enel2012

>>26495
>Like how Enel is presented as being entirely as unstoppable as a person who can control lightning on every level should be, and how Luffy only outmatched him through the SHEER LUCK of being the only person on the planet naturally immune to his powers.
Which, on its own, is a common Shonen trope "the chosen one can beat the villain" and all. But in One Piece's case, it wasn't something like "he has a pure heart that evil can't touch" or "his willingness to forgive overcame the villain's cynicism," but "His powers, which he's had since Chapter 1 give him the advantage without requiring a leap of logic to realize would be the case."

It's not even one of those "I have been training and developed a new technique for JUST SUCH AN OCCASION," it's "oh, right, rubber can't be electrocuted!"

I liked that even then, he wasn't ENTIRELY immune to Enel, just like how rubber in reality isn't magically entirely unaffected by lightning--it's just got enough of an advantage to let him beat someone who's way out of his league as long as he tries hard enough.

Didn't Oda say rob lucci would beat enel in a fair fight?

>>26502
Depends on what you call a fair fight.

>>26498
I wouldn't say Ener's THAT strong. It's easy to forget, but all of his truly WTF powerful feats were when he was powering himself up with his ship and all the gold in Skypiea. If he didn't have that, I'd say a well-trained Haki-user (Vice Admiral and up) could take him. And citing his ludicrously-high hypothetical bounty as an argument doesn't hold much water anymore, as Ace was higher (and thus more dangerous) and he was only average for a Logia.

>>26506

>Bounties as powerlevels.

C'mon.

>>26502
.. No? I really doubt Lucci could have lasted against Enel.

>>26506
The man is lightning itself. He could teleport all over the place and was (quite literally) untouchable. Even if you somehow got past his haki training, his skin was still lightning. I'm really not exaggerating when I say he would have been a fair fight against one of the Admirals. But you're right; you also have to take into account he surrounded himself with advantages, so seeing him out of the Skypeia setting is tricky.
And no, bounties =/= real power.

>>26507
>>26508
No, not power levels, DANGER levels. The Government thinks Ace would be more dangerous than Enel would hypothetically be.

>>26522

No shit. But which one is on Whitebeard's crew?

Ace has his Oyaji. Enel's flying solo.

>>26523
Right, right.

>>26523

It doesn't really work that way. I've noticed that, across the series, the captain's bounty is always inflated compared to his crewmembers, regardless of strength. The best example of this is probably Tiger and Jinbe: when Tiger was captain Jinbe's bounty was in the 70 mils, while Tiger was at 200 mil despite the fact that Strawberry reported the the two were pretty much equally dangerous. However, once Jinbe became captain his bounty shot up all the way to 250 despite no real change in his strength of danger level. It makes sense, I guess, since incidents are usually reported as "the X Pirates did so-and-so," so the captain gets a boost for having his crewmembers under his command. There's also cases like Robin where she had a high bounty when alone, but once she became a part of a group she lost the spotlight. Since then her bounty increases stagnated despite doing things like putting the CP9 director in a full-body cast.

What I'm saying is that I'm sure "Ace, captain of the Spade Pirates" would have had a higher bounty than "Ace, Whitebeard Pirates First Division Commander."

>>26523
Not to mention, Roger's son. That instantly bumps you up a good amount of zeros.

>>26527

If you remember Rockstar, the case seems to be different for yonkou. Rockstar was a newbie on Shanks's crew, and the gubbermint gave him a hundred million beri bounty because of it (and from the looks of it, he wasn't anything special beforehand).

Also, see >>26528

>>26547

Judging by the way he acts and what we know about him, I wouldn't be surprised if Rockstar really did earn his 90 mil the hard way before he joined Shanks. His attitude just reminds me way too much of the people that wanted to join the Strawhats back at Sabaody. Unfortunately for him, we all know now 100 mil is pretty much the absolute minimum for having a yonkou even begin to give a shit about maybe paying attention to the small talk of some of his scrubbier crewmembers are having about you.