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23730 No. 23730
What if One Piece was written and drawn by Akira Toriyama?

Conversely, what if Dragonball (and it's sequels) were written and drawn by Oda?
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>> No. 23757
>>23730
Wait, Toriyama drew that? That's not nearly as sameface-y as I've come to expect from him.

As for if the two were writing the other's series

One Piece: The story isn't nearly as well thought out and there's nowhere near as many Chekov's guns if any, but the action takes a step up thanks to Toriyama's crazy good sequential art.

Dragonball: Everything is much more thought out, with ending thought out from the beginning. Goku's Saiyan heritage is something hinted at early on, but only noticeable with hindsight. Kurririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and everyone else gets more attention and some crowning moments of awesome.
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>>23757
Don't forget Chiaotzu, his psychic powers along with martials arts and ki blasts would be good for varying the heroes fighting styles up a bit.
>> No. 23759
>>23750

Toriyama never forgot about Piccolo. He got his ass kicked repeatedly as the series went on, but Toriyama always at least tried to make him somewhat relevant. Hell, he had probably the most awesome moment of the whole Cell saga, when he called Goku out onto the floor for being an unbelievably shitty father.
>> No. 23770
Usopp would be forgotten, and not evolve into MANSOPP.
>> No. 23771
>Super Sayians, Super Sayians everywhere

becomes

>Ds, Ds everywhere

or

>Haki, Haki everywhere
>> No. 23773
>>23771
>Ds, Ds everywhere

>Haki, Haki everywhere

But these are happening in regular One Piece anyway
>> No. 23774
>>23773
D's are still fairly rare in OP. Only four alive that we know. Their whole origins are also still a mystery.

I'll give you haki. I never liked haki from the start.
>> No. 23775
>>23773

There are 3 or 4 active Ds (depending on how retired Garp is) in the entire story. The last important ones were revealed a third of the series/five years ago. You have a strange definition of "everywhere."

Haki is like flying in DBZ. If you have a problem with either you just haven't gotten used to it, because in the end it doesn't even matter.
>> No. 23777
>>23774
>>23775
Just for the record, I was counting all Ds, not just the living

They aren't as rare as all that.
>> No. 23778
>>23777
In that case we have four more, of which three were directly related. Still in no way everywhere.
>> No. 23781
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See, I don't have a problem with Haki for a simple reason.

One Piece abilities are generally natural extensions of human ability, with the exception of some Devil Fruit users of course, for example in the case of Luffy it's still true his power comes from pushing his natural ability while supplementing elasticity rather than his elastic abilities themselves granting him all the power.

Haki is exactly like Monster Strength or the other abilities of a super human nature displayed by non-DF users.

If you yell at little kids hard enough, bad enough, they faint.
They can't deal with someone putting that much emotional pressure on them and so they shut down, can't deal with it, that's all Emporer's Haki is, a natural extension of that kinda of pressure, you've screamed at someone so hard, asserted how dominate you are that they fold like a cheap suit case, they cannot be conscious in the presence of you.

It's not hard to predict someone/thing heading your way, breathing, wooshing sounds, the vibe you are getting from your opponent, just a natural extension of what everyone usually learns as a kid in Dodge ball where now you aren't tricked by the kid pretending to whip the ball into the air, you are so ready for it that it becomes kinda sad, you catch it and the kid's out, it really is just observation taken to a super human extreme.

I took Archery as a kid, marksmanship as a teen, I was a boxer for a while too and what they all have in common is visualization, your trainers tells you stuff like "Yer glove is a million pounds, go knock him around with it" or "The bull's eye is a landing strip, forget about power and guide your arrow which is now a plane right into that landing strip" or "just let those fucking shots fly right into the target, like mosquitoes they are!" or any of the other jargon.
It's about visualization to increase effectiveness, then when taken to the super human end of the scale it takes on the property of what was visualized or even the property of that item.
>> No. 23788
>>23754
you know why he was really left out though. Not a saiya-I mean demon, and really, girls didn't schlick to him. Heie wasn't even supposed to be in the manga past his first encounter, but the fans loved his shit so much he wrote him in.

Just seems like bad writing to me.

>>23759
YOUR SON IS DEAD GOKU? YOU HEAR ME? DEEEEEEEEEAAAADDDDDD!!!

Piccolo is the best character, and his crowning moment was being the most powerful character pre-cell evolution 2.

But lets be honest, he spent most of his time on screen being punked. Just like any other character that didn't have yellow hair.
>> No. 23840
>>23781
Wow, you really are that much of an athlete? Nice.

And I fully agree with your analysis, Haki is all about normal human skills taken to the extreme.
>> No. 23887
They'd still end up travelling to Namek at some point in the storyline, but its more likely the majority of the Z-crew would take the trip in Oda-Ball, sort of like that SNES RPG 'Legend of the Super Saiyan' where you can keep the Z-fighters alive fighting the saiyans and take them with you on the quest to revive Piccolo (Anyone else here play that?)
>> No. 23888
>>23887

Haha yeah, I played that.
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>> No. 24375
>>23781
Yeah. Also, even the special Haki isn't nearly as overpowered as it's equivalent

Super Saiyan was supposed to be endgame. The final culimination of a race's evolution. Since the series kept going after Frieza, not only was it's uniqueness diminished, but it also made it a private club: If you weren't gonna go blond haired, you weren't allowed to play in the big leagues anymore by the endgames.

Haki, by constrast, is a power almost anybody can get. But even when you take Luffy's special Haki, it's damn handy but not a game breaker. We've seen repeatedly and conclusively that it does nothing to the big boys.

What this means is that Luffy can't be threatened nearly as well by waves of low level mook canon fodder as he once could have (and a quick look back shows that wasn't exactly something he ever had a problem with before either.) But at the end of the day, he will not "out haki" somebody like Mihawk or Aokji, and since his main Haki powers are available to the public, the villains worth a damn are plausibly expecting and even ready with counters towards such skillsets.

So yeah, I'm okay with Haki, especially since the 2 more important skillsets are generalized. Like you said, it's more like Flying in DBZ, we can assume nobody's going to be surprised by or unable to counter if if they are in the game.
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>> No. 25356
>>25355
Not surprised at all that the era of Dragonball he considered important enough to him to be the setting of the drawing was when Goku still flew around on a cloud and had an extending pole, rather than when he was going super saiyan and fighting aliens.
>> No. 25369
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>>25356
Yeah Dragon Ball was a pure comedy like Dr. Slump and never had any fights in it ever.
>> No. 25370
>>25369
I didn't say it was. I'm just saying that Dragonball was more like One Piece than Dragonball Z was.
>> No. 25371
>>25369

I don't think he mentioned anything about comedy or fights at all...
>> No. 25372
Yeah, Dragonball Z may be a classic, but from an .. everything else perspective, it's a fucking mess. One Piece has the spirit of Dragonball; I leave the spirit of DBZ to Bleach.. Who don't even do it right.
>> No. 25373
>>25369
Fighting ALIENS.

The only one of those he fought in Dragonball was Picollo... who was also the devil.

DBZ was a long series of fancy new aliens with super-double-secret ultimate forms, and the best episode of the series was when Goku and Picollo were nagged into going to get driver's licenses.
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Not one mention of Yajirobe? Fuck all of you. If Oda made Dragonball, Yajirobe would be on par with Ussop. By the Raditz arc, He'd be thin and alongside Yamcha, Krillin, Chiaotzu and Tien until the very end of it all. Seriously, I'm pissed that Yajirobe wasn't given a larger role. In Dragonball, he fucked shit up.
>> No. 25515
>>25513
DBZ neglected many interesting characters in favor of Saiyans. It sucked. How many fucking Saiyans does one need?

If you asked me, Goku and Gohan should have been the only ones. Vegeta should have stayed dead after Freeza finished him off.

That way Piccolo could have taken his place as Goku's unfriendly rival. It would have continued the relationship that was established at the end of DB/beginning of DBZ and would provide better variety in combat. Seriously, what happened to all the awesome stuff Piccolo did in DB? Like the Snake Arm and the Giant Growth?

Also, without Vegeta Trunks wouldn't have existed and Yajirobe could have taken the position as the group's swordsman (though admittedly, Trunks' swordsman role was pretty brief)
>> No. 25516
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>>25513
Nah Yajirobe would stay fat, and his omnivore tendancies would be played up. Instead of training to get stronger he'd get stronger by eating wierd shit and beings the heroes came across, though he'd learn some new sword techniques as well.

Yajirobe vs. Cymbalyoutube thumb

Yamcha vs. Tien & Krillin Vs. Yajirobeyoutube thumb

(Really its a shame the Earth's warriors became so useless, they all had way cooler fighting styles than the Saiyans)
>> No. 25517
So he'd basically be Toriko? I could see that.
>> No. 25518
If Oda wrote Dragonball it's likely we would have had a strong fighter on the hero squad who was one of those animal-people that were common alongside the humans in the earlier parts of the series.

Or maybe just Puar/and or/Oolong would have remained prominent and used thier shapeshifting more to solve problems and help out, wether they actually fought or not.
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>Coby would've been forgotten

NOPE.avi
>> No. 25648
>>25634
woah
tell me that's not fan art
>dat badass helmeppo
>> No. 25655
>>25648

If only.

Too bad it is.
>> No. 26596
>>24375
I dunno. Revising the series in DBZ Kai and rereading buu saga in the manga...super saiyan feels more like just having a ridiculously high mana pool. Like goku's still about as strong as he was and focusing power into a punch still takes as much out of you but he's got energy flowing through him that lets him keep it going longer. It actually doesnt feel as bad as i remember it and stuff is still pretty simple overall. its like in an RPG you have all these spells that you can use but towards the end you just stick to the most powerful spells because you have so much MP that you can just rely on those instead of having to balance things out. Ignoring that you get better stats as you go, Energy really feels more like MP and using that MP on spells like "really fast punch" or "defensive barrier" it doesnt feel like goku is not a million times more powerful than ever and just farting would cause the world to turn insidedown.

meanwhile luffy has 5 different ways of making his punch able to hurt a guy way more than just punching them but now i guess its more dangerous because steamy vulcanized giant super fast haki punch while neutralizing logia. (whats the point of logia if it doesnt matter to luffy anymore?)
>> No. 26597
>>25516
Yajirobe defeated oozaru vegeta
krillin put up a better fight against frieza form 2 than vegeta
tien was able to pound cell into the ground and could have done more had he not run out of energy (also had toriyama not retired the character out of respect for the VA dieing)
yamcha......
Hercule defeated majin buu.


supersayan..whatever
>> No. 26599
>>26597
Tien couldn't have done shit to Cell2, he had to spam his ultimate life-threatening finisher just to delay him, without doing any harm at all.

And the Z-fighters were useless as time went on, if you weren't a supersaiyna..then if you weren't Goku (and sometimes Vegeta) you didn't really matter.
>> No. 26602
>>26599
Tien running out of energy is what lost him there. Had he had the near infinite reserves of a super saiyan or android he could have fucked cell up good (unfortunately cell's regeneration would have been a problem) It really wasnt as entirely one sided as you'd think, but tien just doesnt have the stamina to keep up with goku. If toriyama hadnt retired the character he probably would have come up with something interesting to do with him to help him keep lock step like picollo or krillin seem to do. Tien had potential, raw power and technique, but he never got the "give him enough power reserves to let him rely solely on these techniques to win without getting tired" that the "main characters" got.
When Goku fought frieza he didnt win because he was all out better than freiza, it was because he was able to outlast him. When freiza started getting tired and sloppy goku's super saiyan power still had him going with full vigor. There was no point to fighting because Goku wasnt going to get tired and thats what the super saiyan transformation was about. energy flowing through his body. he wasnt "suddenly the best at punching" if you really pay attention to the arc of that battle.
When Freiza loses to trunks there are a few factors at play there: frieza is an incomplete being recreated with tech, trunks didnt care about having a good fight, he used sneaky tactics and wasted no time in just rushing in there at freiza all at once. Look at Vegeta vs 18, for all the reserves of power he got, he was still just as strong as he ever was, which compared to an android with infinite power reserves and physical power of machine didnt mean much. (whatever happened to that infinite power thing? Toriyama could have thrown in a line about the infinite power reactor being tied to the bomb that krillin wished out of them or SOMETHING)

Majin buu wasnt unstoppable because he was supa dupa strong (infact he's not really that strong compared to the folks he was fighting) but the problem is that he was unstoppable in the way that the t-1000 was. he could stand up to any punishment you dish out at him and he has no limit to the energy he can use.

with the way its paced in the manga, most of the characters just dont get real opportunity to fight with buu because of the situation or because he just uses his magic ray. (when you really look at the entire arc the villain has he's sort of a joke character all the way through)

Majin buu is only strong because he's picollo mixed with mobster carrot plus doesnt get tired ever.
>> No. 26603
>>26599
The important thing to do is to pay less attention to the numbers (easy if you just reguard power levels as an MP bar) and just look at who was able to defeat who, who was weaker than who, and then line those up and see how consistent certain characters are against others throughout the series. When you look at it like that the "power level overkill" isnt really so massive, and what toriyama ends up relying on most outside of that are tricks or personality defects that let characters gain an upperhand.

For instance: Vegeta was insane and would blow all of his energy as fast as he could to win because he had no patience or tolerance for losing. It usually worked out well for him but it didnt work well for him when fighting characters that had larger reserves of energy or a physical resilience beyond what he could dish out. Frieza, Android 18, Perfect Cell, and Majin Buu all were just able to take what Vegeta could dish out because their various abilities or reserves gave them a natural edge over Vegeta's PERSONALITY. They could beat him so easily because of how quick he would fizzle out because of how wreckless he was and undetermined a fighter. He didnt take his time and figure out a way to exploit his opponent like Goku would or outsmart them, that more than "oh he's x stronger than last guy but this guy is xxx stronger than last guy so watch out" lead to his fights going how they did.


The cool thing about the manga or kai is that it lets you really appreciate how much "character" and "personal style" plays into the fighting. The numbers just stop mattering in any literal sense. Frieza lost not because he was weaker than a goku but because he couldnt deal with reaching his limits and couldnt allow his pride to be shattered by accepting the "potential" goku saw in him as a rival. He proved to goku that he was worthless through his actions, not his fighting ability, and it forced goku to put him down for it. Its stuff like that that DBZ was about, most of the shit people remember from it didnt really...happen or matter.
>> No. 26612
>>26602
Tien wasn't capable of harming Cell even with his strongest attack used over and over again.

Also Buu was stronger than a number of the people he faced, when he wasn't he was in trouble and tended to only survive due to PLOT (Gohan could have eradicated Super Buu easily but acted like a retard so his dad could save the day, Vegeto could have wiped out the strongest form of Buu in a second but wanted to be absorbed to pull everyone else out).

Your fanwank is out of control. Fanfiction doesn't mean anything.
>> No. 26619
>>26612
man did you read the manga or watch the anime?

the anime made everything dumb and stupid. if someone tripped in the manga it'd be a 14 minute sequence of them continuously tripping and then falling off a cliff and saving a runaway truck and then landing back to where they were and tripping again.


tien messed cell up abit. the anime made it feel like it did alot less effect than was implied in the manga. the anime is shit.

buu's whole thing isnt being stronger than anyone but its that he just doesnt ever stop and also he's able to turn you into candy.
Vegeta is in a losing battle because he cant keep up with buu.
Goku has a time limit and other responsibilities before he was taken back.
Evil Buu turns Majin Buu into candy.
gotenks is cocky and gets beat up in a comedy fashion.
super buu turns everyone into candy.
super gotenks is cocky and runs out of time and buu gets bored and leaves
gohan fucks up
vegeto wanted to get eaten
true buu was weaker than goku but stronger than vegeta
true buu was a better fighter than majin buu
true buu was weaker than goku's spirit bomb

buu wasnt that great when you delete all those made up scenes of him being all powerful for no reason. read da manga homes! its about more than power levelz
>> No. 26621
>>26596
Logias have more than just phasing through stuff.
>> No. 26651
1.Then the art in One piece would be passable.

2. Then Dragonball would suck.
>> No. 26652
>>26651
Oh look, you're still here. Babby's first discovery of /op/? Gotta at least put effort into the trolling, kid.
>> No. 26653
>>26652

I bet it's Porky. Who linked him to /op/?
>> No. 26658
>>26652
>art in dragonball mangas was good
>oda would make the manga feel like the anime but with more pathos. (Toriyama knew how to do ambivalence right)
>> No. 26663
there would be less dicks
>> No. 30915
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Super Pirate, Super Pirate Gear 2nd, Super Pirate Gear 3rd, SUPER PIRATE GOD (which is basically Super Pirate with red hair and eyes)
>> No. 30925
Oda is a major dragonball fanboy. I wonder what it would be like if you could get him to draw the cast in his own style...

I'm thinking the original human fighters and some supporting characters, goku, gohan, piccolo... more focusing on the earlier people.
I mean if Oda really had made Db/z like he does One Piece its those original and supporting characters that would benefit the most.
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I'M GONNA BE THE KING OF... of... Saiyans? No wait thats more Vegeta's deal.... hurm....
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I wonder what lame-ass no-effort-made powerup Luffy would get in the new cash-in movie made after all those years would be. (Seriously Battle of Gods/Super Saiyan God is all just so lame)
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