The 12th Doctor got leaked.

>>37466
I like the idea. The Gentleman Brawler he can use his fists but he declines to do so. He must wear a Bowler hat of course.

>>37467
THE RETURN OF VENUSIAN AIKIDO!

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/former-doctor-who-actor-arthur-darvill-says-helen/309474

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/rory-kinnear-offered-12th-doctor-50436.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10094072/Whos-next-The-favourites-to-replace-Matt-Smith-as-the-12th-Doctor-Who.html

Looks like everyone has a fave they want to see in the booth.

>>37660
I would be all kinds of okay with Ben Whishaw.

>>37665
Yea I could see him in the role maybe like a young Pertwee

I'm holding out for someone black, female, or ginger. Or a mixture of the aforementioned two.

Or heck, have a female playing an androgynous Doctor.

>>37672
Oh for a total androgynous female Doctor I want Murray.

i think an androgynous sort of doctor would be really sexy but it doesnt fucking matter as long as moffats still the showrunner

>>37674
So David Bowie?

>>37683
Or Tilda Swinton. Either of the two, really.

>>37688
You bastard. I want this now. Isn't she a ginger as well?

And news from the Classic Era, it looks like someone might have found and is sending a massive amount of the missing episodes to the BBC.

>>37724
Nash said last night on Radio Dead Air that this was a hoax, and that he was so mad, he was going to shit on the soul of the person responsible for starting it.

>>37725
seems to be one guy holding out hope this incoming haul contains the good stuff.

https://twitter.com/IanLevine

Wait, so The Silence wanted to kill The Doctor to protect him from a fate worse than death?

>>sister loves Douglas Adams
>>sister has watched a good chunk of both Classic and New Who
>>begs me to buy Who swag at comic book conventions
>>sister won't read the comics because "they're too geeky, I'm not a geek"

I hate to explain you a thing, but...

>>37466
CAN YOU SMELL? WHAT THE DOC! IS COOKING???

>>37842
something something tardsis would have exploded if clara weren't there something something planets would die... something something... doctor would have killed more and been more of a villain if the great intelligence had his way something something i don't fucking know moffat is consistent most with single story narratives while his arcs are... fucked up

>>37674
So I'm guess the quality hasn't risen at all? I stopped watching Dr.Who after a few episodes of moffat and was hoping he'd be replaced...

>>38187
Totally hasn't and the level of fucks about Who stuff has dropped significantly.

>>38195
Why do that keep him as showrunner anyway? I'd totally be up for 13 being female if we could get Rhianna Pratchett to do some writing for the show and get a decent runner.

>>38202
Why does she get so much praise anyway? She's got a strong pedigree but unless she's also been doing a lot of low profile stuff I'm not aware of, Tomb Raider is her only decent work (maybe Bioshock: Infinite, but much of that was the other guys). All her other games were mediocre at best.

>>38206
She's improved on her narrative and does a pretty good job with character driven stuff. There is a reason I'm saying she could be writer for 13 and not 12 since I think she just needs a bit more time writing to really get things down. Also to see if her plains for Lara Croft come about as she wants and how she handles that in the next few years.

>>37849
FINALLY! THE DOC! HAS COME BACK! TO PELADON!!!

So word is the announcement for next Doctor will come on Sunday.

>>37849
His first adventure is on the planet Jabroni.

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/26724/doctor-who-peter-capaldi-running-favourite-for-12th-doctor

current betting looks to have this fella in the lead

>>38339
....Oh man he's gross looking and not Matt Smith gross looking where it is sorta cute.

>>38340
At last, we're back to the Doctor accurately portraying the British male.

>>38339
>Asshole guy from In The Loop playing The Doctor.

FUCK YEAH ALL RIGHT.

http://www.geekosystem.com/12th-doctor-spoiler-maybe/

now that would be an intresting turn. Mainly for the rage that would come from the base over such a departure even more than a change in gender or race.

Oh my god if Capaldi gets the spot I would actually watch Dr Who just for him. He was a glorious genius in The Thick of It.

>>38340
I dunno man, there's something weirdly attractive about him in TToI. Maybe it's the natural swearing talent.

>>38356
Looks like you are watching it.

http://mashable.com/2013/08/04/new-doctor-who/

I'm glad they picked an older fella, get some of that classic Doctor grump in there.

oh, goody. i do like capaldi. malcolm tucker is who i want to be when i grow up.

>>12 is a dude I don't know
>>isn't a POC or female

>>38361

As long as it's not a female character waiting to be mishandled by a certain fat, I'm not going to complain.

>>38363
I never thought he mishandled the female characters. Except for River, but I just thought she was kind of a jerk sometimes.

>>38361
The fuck is a POC?

>>38368
Person of colour ie anyone who isn't white.

so what the fuck is Hurt doing?

>>38373
Doc from somewhere between 8 and 9, most likely was the incarnation to pull the trigger on the time war.

>>38368
Term used by SJW to refer to nonwhites because they don't realize they aren't a massive gestalt.

>>38374
See, I would have thought something akin to the Valeyard or something. Because I'm pretty sure McGann is put down as the definitive Doctor to be in the Time War; granted I may need to double check on that...

...huh

>>38376
It's not set in stone yet, it's just what Hurt's costume designer said.

http://youtu.be/5Blf073f2Lc

if this isn't exactly what the show will be like i'm not watching it

>>38375
>>38370
I'm not a SJW. I just adopted the term because it's easier than saying "minority" or because sometimes, when people think of casting, they think "Caucasians and African-Americans", not that there's people of other ethnicities beyond those.

While I am getting tired of really long-running franchises not looking to branch out into different groups, he is older. And for a franchise that usually aims for "younger and sexier", that is a plus. And I'm glad he's British. If they did an American Doctor, I'd rather another shitty attempt at an American series.

>>38380
I think instead of people wanting to change the doctor they really need to bring back more Time Lords AND NOT RIVER. Cripes I'm tired of her and hope the end of 11 means the end of her.

>>38381
You can change The Doctor's ethnicity or gender, and The Doctor will still, at his or her core, be the same person. Heck, every Doctor, regardless of actor, still has the same basic qualities at their core.

I want to see other Time Lords or the Time War, but I feel like after all this time, actually saying what went on to make the Doctor who he was would make a lot of people pissed off, because they all have their own headcanons for what happened.

>>38382
And I know of a good number that would do well. I think the biggest stumble they have for it is making it believable within the show itself. Classic who had some of the idea being the regeneration was partly influenced by the genetics around him at the time of the process IIRC but as 11 noted it can also be choice? I dunno it would as I said take a new writing staff to make it really work well I think because currently we'd just end up with River 2.0. I was just thinking as a compromise so people don't just grumble for the next few years and to beat the whole 13 max if that is still in effect Have another Time lord that can transfer their regenerations to him and do a bit of genetic whatnot that leads to alternate choices.

So the general reaction to 12's announcement is resounding disappointment from all-sides except people who liked him in other stuff stuff apparently, sidebar on that most people who like him and know Moffat are sad for him.

Am I the only one who's happy that the 12th doctor isn't gonna be another typical handsome guy?

>>38387
Right here. Can't wait to see how the fan girls react.

>>38388
He'll be their husbando in short order. People complained that Matt Smith looked weird for a while after his reveal too.

>>38387
I am okay with it, though I wanted an unattractive lady.

>>38388
Confusion and disappointment rather than anger, also pointing out that he breaks the pattern as most incarnations of the doctor have been getting younger.

Although just about everyone fucking HATES Moffat now since he said this:
“People tell me the new Doctor should be a woman, and to that I say it’s time for the queen to be a man"

Even people who didn't really want a change in the Doctor don't like him now, plus his writing is garbage.

>>38392
He still does to me and I would probably consider him the ugliest Doc in recent decades. I still like him though.

>>38394
For me it's because he seems to lack eyebrows sometimes and it's a bit unsettling. I like him best of the new series Doctors despite that.

With the Facial Hair he reminds me of the Unofficial Doctor Peter Cushing played.

>>38393
The difference is that the Queen already has a male equivalent. The Doctor doesn't.

>>38393
The difference is that the Queen already has a male equivalent. The Doctor doesn't have a female one.

>>38405
Also sort of a silly statement to make since the next monarch will be a man. Assuming there's not a sudden outbreak of Deadly And Fast-Acting Prostate Cancer among the royal family sometime soon.

>>38393
I will never understand why people are so deadset on a female doctor. We've seen the shit they do with River Song. Do you really want an excuse for Moffat to make someone like that as the main character?

>>38408
theres a part of me that wants to see Moffat do a female doctor.

so i can just sit back and say "this is what you wanted. this is what you asked for"

>>38408
I think it's less about anyone wanting any particular doctor and more of a unified hatred of Moffat.

....Didn't everyone love Moffat when he took over...?

>>38413
I didn't.

But only cause I've never cared for any of the writers any more or less than any other.

>>38413
Everyone thought he'd be great because his one off episodes were fun.

Unfortunately when given reign over plots and directions he's a fucking idiot and his stories devolve to gibberish.

Plus he's vastly overstayed his welcome.

>>38385
>So the general reaction to 12's announcement is resounding disappointment from all-sides
Sez who, grasshopper? Everyone I know seems very positive about the casting.

You've got to realise, the "people who liked him in other stuff" are more than a few aficionados in a shed. Malcolm Tucker is a major household name over here in Blighty. I, for one, am very excited to see what Capaldi does with the role.

>>38420
The disappointment is from people who were hoping for Moffat to announce stepping down/new writers/were hoping for something new.

Capaldi himself is seen as being a good choice since the Doctor has been getting way more cynical in direction.

I think the overwhelming "meh" is from people who:

1. Were convinced having a non-white or female Doctor for Twelve was a given, because fans said it would be so, and enough fan speculation sometimes makes a fandom convinced it'll actually happen
2. Didn't realize they'd seen him in an episode already, and not being English/not having seen World War Z, didn't give a fuck and wanted someone they knew well already

Overall I'm pleased since we get crabby old doctor and regardless of companion the first thought of the base won't be "Love Interest". Any possible resurgence of old childhood Doctor makes me happy.

>>38425
Dude, Matt Smith is fucking weird looking, they will be all OVER Capaldi.

>>38426
Yea already seeing a bunch of things about girls swooning over the older gent. Guess one can't help when they are the Doctor these days I guess.

Are we running out of doctors at this point.
Don't Time Lords only regenerate so many times.

>>38434
Yup, 12 times.

There are cheats though, A timelord can give another one their regenerations leaving that giver with only one life to live or they can kill and take the regenerations.

I'm not sure if the Doctor is still on twelve regenerations since River gave him all of hers to cure his poisoning, so that's a little grey rigt now but since Moffat wrote it seems likely.

>>38435
Actually thinking about it if that's right River used three of her regenerations that puts the Doctor 10 provided River was playing with a full deck of Time Lord Cards to begin with.

So, and this is complete conjecture, the Doctor could go to 22.

>River Time Lord because..Magic Tardis shagging
oh fuck wish I'd never remembered that.

oh please grumpy swearing new doctor lead us away from that bullshit.

Though I would watch a Hagen review of that just for her constant swearing and breaking down in a sobbing angry heap.

>>38437

>oh please grumpy swearing new doctor lead us away from that bullshit.

I heard they're keeping Moffat and all his merry men for writing the new episodes

If this is true not even Peter can get me watching again. I am so done with WHAT A TWEEST, FEZZES FEZZES and their entire dog and pony show

>>38437
Oh god River....I think when I first saw her ass I stopped watching the 11th doctor.

My opinion: I'm not the biggest hardcore fan of Doctor Who but the 11th doctor's story was confusing and went on too long. I liked 10 and some of 9's episodes, but 11 was just...ech. I'll admit that Matt Smith is a good actor but him as 11 didn't do it for me.

>>realizing we're not ready for a black and/or gay doctor because fangirls still can't tolerate a non-stereotypically-attractive older white guy

this is why I hate the internet

>>38749
I'm not sure if I understand how regeneration works--I can see him regenerating as a black guy, but could regeneration really change his sexual preferences? Or, and I know there are people who want a female Doctor, but for that matter would it even be able to change his sex?

>>38750
No experience with Classic Who, but in "The Doctor's Wife" he mentions that the Corsair was sometimes a woman, so yes, a Time Lord can change gender through regeneration.

>>38751
Ah. Well in that case, it's almost ridiculous that he's gone through 12 regenerations and NOT been a woman yet.

The deal is every Time Lord's regenerations work on a different deal, Classic who mentions the Doctor is always getting Younger...though that's been totally thrown out now.

There was something about the Masters regenerations, but for most of the series he's been on stolen regenerations and those don't play by your original regenerations rules.

Some switch genders and ethnicities, speech patterns and dialects, so until 12 I didn't see a reason for a women or a poc but hey if they've thrown age then the fuck not?

Didn't he pose that he could if he actually put a conscious effort into controlling his regeneration but he just doesn't because there is no reason for him to. Regardless I don't want Moffat anywhere near a female Doctor.

>>38758
Why do people say he writes women badly? I've been content with pretty much every Who episode I've seen. I can't think of anything to complain about.

>>38760
River sets me on edge and I feel whatever comes from him would be more or less like her.

>>38765
She's just one woman character, though. If he writes another woman, she'll be different. River is not all women.

>>38760
>Why do people say he writes women badly?
because he kinda DOES write women badly
River's entire existence revolves around the Doctor. Amy Pond had that mystical pregnancy horseshit and she's frequently reduced to a totally passive role. She's not in Doctor Who, but Irene Adler was also a potentially great character made awful, because Moffat ruins good ideas. Moffat went on record saying that John Watson isn't attracted to Sherlock because he "isn't wired that way," but then he specifically establishes Irene as gay and has her fall for Sherlock anyway. And then she makes the stupidest mistake anyone could possibly make when they're trying to keep a lock code secret and is ultimately brought down by her WOMANLY FEELINGS. Not sure if this counts, but Molly Hooper also just gets heaped with unnecessary abuse all the damn time.

Am I the only one really bummed out that The Rock isn't going to be the new Doctor?

Like, Peter Capaldi is a great choice, but...

We could've had The Rock!

No we couldn't.

>>38760
"There’s this issue you’re not allowed to discuss: that women are needy. Men can go for longer, more happily, without women. That’s the truth. We don’t, as little boys, play at being married – we try to avoid it for as long as possible. Meanwhile women are out there hunting for husbands. The world is vastly counted in favour of men at every level – except if you live in a civilised country and you’re sort of educated and middle-class, because then you’re almost certainly junior in your relationship and in a state of permanent, crippled apology. Your preferences are routinely mocked. There’s a huge, unfortunate lack of respect for anything male."

this literally says all that needs to be said about what moffat thinks of women and it reflects enormously in his writing of lady characters.

>>38777
I want to crumble this man's head betwixt my fingers.

>>38771
Irene Adler...yesh I was kinda okay with her till that very end. When Sherlock pulled a straight out of ass New Who moment and saved her fending off a score of terrorist with machine guns with him only wielding a scimitar . All that was missing was that damned chorus going on in the background.

>>38777
>>38777

>>38777
Ookay, that's dickish. I won't deny some women are needy, but I hate generalizations in regards to any subject. Certainly not every woman is.

>>38777

Yeah. . . I'm gonna need a source on that, chum.

Moffat is an ass, but he's not THAT much of an ass. That I know of.

>>38787
http://www.themarysue.com/stephen-moffat-misogyny/

according to him he was talking about a fictional character (Patrick in Coupling) and not his personal views. Still I don't think he's that good a writer of females.

>>38788

>The original interview, with Scotman.com, is editorialized, in other words, quotes have been taken from their interview with Moffat and placed how they chose would work best for the story. The quote used on tumblr and other sites is also cobbled together from two parts of the original piece.

Pic related

Moffat is just bad at portraying women in general though, he's the stereotypical fat nerd who has no idea how girls work or what goes through their brains at all. And then he tries to compensate for that by making all his women STRONG and ZANY and it becomes a rolling fireball turd of bad writing.

>>38794
Its like a strange Overcompensation and its been really bad in the 11th Run. All three turn into bloody Rose. And that is the thing their importance was MASSIVE TO COSMIC EVENTS..yadda yadda. But their personalities were pitiable.

>>38772
You actually aren't.

>>38796
With Moffat writting it, having the rock be doctor who would have been fucking hilarious. I would have kept up with it. Seriously though, Moffat needs to be canned. I don't even care about the misogyny he's just not a good writer.

Apparently, Peter Davison has a copy of the 50th anniversary script with his name on it and is privy to things we don't know. http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/did-peter-davison-drop-a-big-hint-on-the-50th-53076.htm

So, if you didn't know.
http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/10/doctor-50th-anniversary-special-bbc-america-announces-3d-screening-events/

I'm going.

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/davison-companions-werent-written-well-until-rose-54725.htm
Thoughts?

>>39182
He's just full of crap. I think he's just bitter since his crew comes off as a scooby gang then rough and tumble adventitious types like some of the other doctors had over their times. That and nobody would write him making out with them.

>>39183
Meh, it's his opinion and he's entitled to it, but I disagree. Also, I actually liked Five and his companions, though not as much as Seven or Three and their companions.

not really related to the show itself but this has become my new hobby/moneysink

Night of the Doctor is out. It's only a minisode, but holy shit! Paul McGann came back, the Sisterhood of Karn came back, we finally got 8's regeneration, and big Finish is now basically canon.

Also, it looks like we [spoiler]the Chancellery Guard will be seen for the first time in the new series, and possibly the Castellan (Whoever held the position at the time).[/spoilers]

>>39217
neat lots of good stuff in that.

>>39217
I've wanted McGann special for ages, I finally get one nd it's a miniepisode about his death. Welp, can't win em all. Nice to see Big Finish is essentially confirmed canon now though.

Took way to long to even get here.

>>39238
it must be nice not reading the content of the article and thus not finding out that the headline has been greatly exaggerated to pander to a predisposition.

but that's okay. it's really okay.

no seriously, even if you have legitimate reason to believe something or have an opinion, backing up your beliefs with bullshit will never help your case

>>39239
>finding out that the headline has been greatly exaggerated to pander to a predisposition.
Man, I fucking hate that. Especially when the article is literally only connected to the title by the nouns involved.

>>39240
Also, Daily Mail.

You guys must have heard of it, it's like the most concentrated ball of awful in mass circulation...

13 out of 13.

>>39270
we getting one of the doctors that will punch and judo their way through problems.

Well, good on them for actually having a goal on the show for once, hope to god this takes us further away from Earth.

All things considered, the politics of a special like this. It was a pretty good special.

i went to a 50th party and entered the costume contest. i won a 8th audio book which was pretty cool

>>39277
Neat, which book?

i'm trying to think of a scene from the all the who i've viewed that i liked more than the battle of arcadia but i can't seem to find one


>>39281
Hothouse. I wasn't overly impressed with it. it just sounded like the story was just borrowed in bits and pieces from other stories. i'm sure theres better ones out there

>>39297
Yea too much of that "we're going to takeover the planet for...reasons." thing New Who had a problem of getting into early on.

Jesus, that was like Dostoevsky wrote an episode of Who. The suffering of children and anti-utilitarianism all over the place.

Holy shit I hate the way Doctor Who is filmed now, It's almost a year after the Christmas special before anything comes out.

Actually, you know what the very best part of the special was? The fact that it almost completely ignored The End of Time. I'm sure there have been better creative decisions in the show's history, but I'm hard-pressed to think of one.

god fucking damn i love this show.
it has its flaws and moffat's writing can be so backward and insensitive, but jesus i love this show.

>>39305
there's a reference in the episode/movie where they say that the high council is "doing their own thing" or something. i just imagine that somehow they got confused about how they were trapped and thought they were actually timelocked. either that or they get timelocked later because seriously fuck those guys, maybe they'll explain that the doctor actually uses the moment just on them.

which... would be hilarious. that said... it is highly suggested that his mom is part of the council, so that wouldn't be so great for him. very unfortunate.

>>39306
i think the time lock still stands, but now insead of gallifrey being destroyed it exists somewhere else. and its frozen in time sothey wont know it was saved until its found

>>39307
If Gallifrey is found, I imagine the Doctor would put down some pretty strict conditions before they're allowed out into the universe again.

Although I am imagining some of the military commanders rushing to inform the High Council chamber to find the regenerated Master sitting patiently on a mound of bodies patting his knee with the Hand of Rassilon. That'd be a twist and a half.

>>39308
maybe they wont be so bad now they dont have an almost infinite army of angry trashcans trying to wipe out life in the universe

>>39316

But there are, there's a whole new Dalek Imperium.

>>39307
So it's time locked in the way that Torchwood was time locked that one time.

Doctor Who Dalek Cake HOW TO C…

it would make sense that with the whole inifite Clara works thing that for every place and time the doctor has ever visited, that a Clara has lived an entire lifetime, right?

so could it be that Claras "LOL LEAF MEANS INFINITE POSSIBILITY" bullshit speech was not what overloaded the space monster thingy, but the fact that it was feeding off of all her (presumably) hundreds of thousands of incarnations spawn all of space and time at once?

>>39339
Yea that is a thought, tried to eat the infinite.

Oh Rifftrax has another "Doctor Who" serial featuring the Grand Moff Peter Cushing

i'm literally crying right now into a beer thinking of matt smith leaving.
he wasn't even my favorite doctor, but my god was he a good one.

Goodnight, sweet prince.

Like most of the series under moffat it was carried completely on the strength of the actors and succeeds in spite of the plot rather than because of it.

New rule of Who: Any time there's a sequence of a narrator talking over a montage of things happening, that sequence will be the worst part of the episode, if not the whole season.

That said, the episode was enjoyable. Wrapped up some loose ends from the Smith era and the plot mostly held together. Great goodbye scene from Matt. Not a worthy followup to the 50th Anniversary Special but fuck, what could be?

Sure as a shit a better exit than Tennant got.

I do like the idea that since he got a new set of regenerations, the Second First Doctor is old like the first one was.

Whatthefuckdidijustwatch.gif

i thought they handled the old plot holes in a particularly cute "fuck-off" sort of way. it makes kovarian's order seem patently idiotic for going through such an ass backward way of trying to end the doctor, but hell, let's go with it. it's a science fantasy show. i can forgive most of that.

what frustrated me to no end was 1) why you gotta be such a shit to your friend clara? goddammit treat her like the equal she is. she's lived almost as long as you in some sense. even rory got more love in his farewell and he got offed with no one watching. that was outright demeaning. 2) what the fuck does this do to the plot consistency with trenzalore in The Name of the Doctor? teh fuck is that? teh fuck is this?

Moffat is sometimes the very definition of half-baked. He has all the right ingredients to keep me happy but puts them together wrong in a flurry of trying to make a spectacle of it all. Also he can be unwittingly sexist and canon-destroying. Why you gotta do the Sontarans like that? I thought only Strax's batch was full of idiots.

meh.

i liked it despite its flaws. for that i'd be a fool to not be grateful for what they did deliver on. especially the actors.

Wow holy fuck, there was actually an extended version of the "so long, Rose, so long blue-suit Doctor" scene from Journey's End that managed to be a bajillion times worse than the one that made the final cut.

God fuck, we may bitch about Moffat but I would not have RTD back for a second.

woo the doctor having an intelligible accent again.

>>39483
It was time for him to move on, but I found myself actually caring about Doctor who instead of being like "welp time to watch this convoluted nonsense that I haven't liked for more than two years not that it was on for most of that thanks to the terrible scheduling."

Like, Moffat is also at a point where he should really move on.

God, I'm in the place with Doctor that most people are in with Naruto and Bleach.

>>39485
I actually felt the weight of being The Doctor with Matt Smith

>>39486
Like I've said that's not the story, that's acting, that's all Mat Smith and the cast; the story is garbage, like this entire season is SUPER lackluster but the actors have carried it and kudos to them for being able to turn this shit into something workable.

>>39487
Next one seems to have the look hope he can carry the idea. I did like the abruptness of his switch over and I wonder if Clara is going to stay on as his companion. Also when is the next series planned to commence?

>>39485

See for me it was the exact opposite. The end of RTD's tenure was so blindingly awful that it killed all my interest in the series. Even after he was gone, I couldn't be arsed to watch another episode until it was well into series seven, when I got caught up because I heard you guys talking about The Impossible Astronaut and wanted to see the Doctor interact with Richard Nixon.

Moffat should probably move on, but he's nowhere near that point for me.

But no seriously, this extended scene is so bad. I'm going to have to transcribe it just so you guys can understand how bad it is. It's from the deleted scenes from the series four DVDs, and it's the scene at Bad Wolf Bay. RTD, who introduces the clips, says that it was cut because the new TARDIS stuff was a bit too complicated for an already complicated ending, but he likes the scene and would like to insert it back in in some future release.

Rose and Lefty and standing off to one side while Donna and the actual Doctor are standing nearer to the TARDIS. Rose walks up to Lefty and places her hand on his chest.

DOCTOR: Oh, and don't forget this.

The DOCTOR is holding what looks like a piece of coral.

DOCTOR: This universe is in need of defending. Chunk of TARDIS.

He tosses it to Lefty.

DOCTOR: Grow your own.

LEFTY: That takes thousands of years!

DOCTOR: No, because-

DONNA: If you shatterfy the plasma shell, and modify the dimensional stabilizer to hold a harmonic of 6.3, you accelerate the growth power by sixteen-aught.

DOCTOR AND LEFTY: ...we never thought of that.

DONNA: I'm real brilliant.

Lefty smiles.

DOCTOR: The Doctor, in the TARDIS, with Rose Tyler, just as it should be.

ROSE: What about you?

DOCTOR: Oh, I'm fine, I've got Madame.

DONNA: Human with a Time Lord brain. Perfect combination. We could travel the universe forever. Best friends...and equals. That's just what skinny needs, an equal.

This is, I should point out, literally the scene before the one in which Donna starts breaking down and gets mindraped. To say nothing of how he's exiling Lefty to the other universe for being super dangerous but for some reason he's willing to let him grow his own TARDIS? I thought not having a TARDIS was the entire point of giving him the boot. Ugh. Just. Fuck everything. Fuck RTD.

>>39488
Fucking fall of next year, but I'm done with the series till Moffat's out, that finale was proof to me there is nothing worth watching.

>>39490
Yup, the opposite, I could totally go on about Moffat like that.

>>39482
Don't you know, knowing your future changes it instantly.
Unless you're reading it in a book, then that sets it in stone forever.

>>39490
If there was anything that convinced me Rose was just Davies self insert it was that scene. Rose gets her own goddamn universe, Doctor, and TARDIS with her parents back together again. Meanwhile Donna gets mindraped and has her character development ripped away, and Martha gets paired with Mickey because Davies forgot she was fucking engaged already.

By the point the End of Time rolled around and ended up being one of the worst episodes I've ever seen, I wasn't just ready for Davies to be gone, I wanted someone to choke him with his own damn scripts. Moffat may have his issues but I'll take his writing any day over ever having to go back to that travesty.

>>39489
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>>39521

I agree with you about Donna, that was some hardcore bullshit. But in my opinion, Moffat has exceeded RTD's crimes with a few simple Tweests.

>Good Man Goes to War: The Doctor just kind of forgets he hates killing for a while, and in fact gleefully arranges the deaths of many across Moffat's entire run.
>River "I'm Super Special and Probably Gave Moffat a BJ" Song
>That tear-jerking scene in which the Doctor abandons older, wiser Amy Pond for a younger, sexier Amy Pond whom he knew was a fake, effectively murdering an old friend to save a photocopy
>Amy's forced coma-pregnancy and delivery in a supposed kid's show, aka Stephen going "How much /d/ can we get past the censors?"
>Forced lesbians, because Moffy needs something to crank it to after he leaves the set

I'm sorry, but Stephen "Shyamalan" Moffat is the most obnoxious show runner I've ever seen do television. RTD's goofs and gaffes barely come close to the horrific, depressing trainwreck of a show Who turned into under Moffsy. The entire spirit of the show was humanist: people are misguided, but they have the potential to be great and do great things. Now it's just about how "awesome" the Doctor is without ever giving us any actual reason why he's so "awesome" and hey, he kills people too because that's "badass." That's why I'm dropping the show regardless of delicious Capaldi, I just can't put up with the hijacking of the show's message anymore.

>>39523
I have to agree. Yeah end of time sucked hard but moffats just been worse since mid-5th season.

>>39523

I just can't agree. Those are all issues (except for one, which I'll get to in a moment), but on every single one RTD was as bad or worse (I mean really, do you actually think RTD wasn't jerking it to Captain Jack?), and his stories made significantly less sense and were far more sloppily written. And if you think RTD's who was humanist, and not dependent on Doctor-worship, you really weren't paying attention during Last of the Time Lords.

And, uh, the Doctor has always been willing to kill. It's not his favorite thing to do, he'd prefer an ending where everybody lives, but especially when he's pissed off he's willing to do it. Hell, first two episodes of New Who (Rose and The End of the World) feature the Doctor murdering the Nestene Consciousness and then standing there and angrily watching Cassandra die gruesomely when saving her life would be as easy as splashing a glass of water on her (yes, she didn't actually die, but he didn't know that). Setting a bit of a tone there, I'd say. The real problem with killing in New Who is RTD's ridiculous hedging about it towards the end of his run (again, see The Last of the Time Lords).

And he took Demon's Run specifically in a way that would minimize loss of human life (Jenny says 'without a drop of blood spilled' which isn't strictly true, since there were some casualties between the soldiers and the Headless Monks, but none spilled by the Doctor's forces and if you take a whole military base with only like four or five casualties I'd say it's close enough) so between that and your frankly bizarre reading of The Girl Who Waited, I'm not sure how well you know what you're talking about.

>>39524
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>>39524

I mean, for goodness' sake, the entirety of new Who (up until the 50th Anniversary Special anyway) is premised on the Doctor committing double genocide and then feeling kinda conflicted about having committed double genocide. The idea that the Doctor being willing to kill is something Moffat introduced to the series is counterfactual to the point of sillyness.

>>39527
Which is even funnier when you consider that the Doctor has frequently killed when he had to dating back to William Hartnell trying to bash a caveman's head in with a rock because he got in his way. This is a man who doesn't like to kill but by fuck he'll do it if he has to or if someone's fucking with his friends.

I for one actually enjoy this overlord, flaws and all.

>>39339

Now that I've rewatched that episode (one of the few where Clara actually seems like a distinct character and not a mishmash of every young female companion the Doctor has ever had) I think the scene kind of makes poorly-explained sense as written. This was a place where sentimental value (what an object means to you, aka what it symbolizes) is a real and tangible thing, which is consumed by this sun god as part of the offering ceremony. What the leaf symbolized for Clara was an infinity of potential days and lifetimes that never occurred. Hence eating infinity.

Where this falls down is:

A. In the thousands of years this ceremony has been going on, nobody's ever thought to bring their grandmother' ashes or their dead spouse's wedding ring as an offering? Really?

B. It kind of undermines the sun god thing as a universe-consuming threat if it'll self-destruct the first time it tries to eat a funeral home.

C. Even if you ignore A. and B., no explicit link is made between the sentimental value economy and feeding the old god, so it's handled terribly by the writers.

Still. Kind of makes sense.

Man that episode was the definition of mixed bag. Great aesthetics (except for the moped sequences anyway), unusually good child acting (the kid had a nice singing voice too), a lot of great ideas...but then the final leg of the script was completely naff and dripping with emotionalism - thankfully not of the 'if we all hold hands and love each other everything will be fine!' variety that has ruined many a Who episode, but still excessive.

It still boggles my mind that they have Clara as a generic qt-pi instead of as an actual Daalek palling around with the Doctor.

Think about it. It would do wonders for species diversity on the show (who remembers the last time an alien was the Doctor's companion? Anybody? Anyone?) AND it would fulfill their ridiculous contractual obligation to put Daaleks in every other episode or whatever.

Plus it would be adorable to watch her roll around trying to keep up with him.

>>39561
oh eye stalk emoting alone, really too cute.She even gets a paint job at some point kinda flashy and the doctor is against it and its like a teen fighting over getting a tattoo.. Oh she'd be a five foot tall Artoo. Replaces her tools with manipulators. Cross them and droops her stalk when she sulks.

As amusing as a Dalek companion would be, I feel like it would get old fast. Imagine hearing that voice every episode for an entire season or more. Besides, although the scripts she's been working with haven't been fantastic in terms of her character, Jenna Coleman's been great. I'm not sure I'd be willing to trade her acting job in for the cheap gag of the Doctor and a Dalek being besties.

I sure wouldn't have minded a Victorian Governess as a companion, though. Really, writing staff, there's no actual rule saying that companions must always be young women from the early 21st century. I promise.

>>39564
Well not the Dalek voice just Clara a tiny bit modulated, and she gets some "nose paint" to reflect how she feels contrary to how she looks.

>>39564
I would really just like a male companion that isn't there solely as an accessory for the Doctor's lady friends. Jack and Mickey were just Rose's tagalongs and both were pretty much written out except for one shots almost immediately after they joined. Wilf was only there to be Donna's grandad, and Rory was really only there because his wife wasn't gonna give that shit up anytime soon.

I'd just like one who's there because he wants to be and has the kind of amazing chemistry we got from Two and Jaime. Though in that case it helped that Troughton and Hines were pretty much best fucking friends in real life.

>>39571
maybe he'll pick up some awesome military chap next time he lands.

Finally listened to Dark Eyes and I honestly don't understand why the hell Nicholas Briggs isn't writing for the actual fucking show. This is the first time I've cared about the Daleks in modern Doctor Who since six episodes into Eccleston's run.
>>39573
As long as he has a kilt.

So is Moffat still shit?

Also, I was thinking of watching the The Sarah Jane adventures again and I got sad. Like I almost started crying. Man, She didn't deserve to die like that.

>>39596
Yeah, he's still fucking awful and in my opinion worse than RTD not that I'm saying he was good.

>>39596

If you hated him before, you'll probably still hate him. Nothing much has changed.

Still miles better than RTD in my opinion, but then I guess RTD's still got a year on him.

>>39597
I now RTD was bad but he had some really good episodes to him. Turn left is probably my favorite episode in new who. But I haven't found a single thing enjoyable about Moffat's episodes except the ones he did before we knew he was shit.

>>39602
Ditto, Gridlock is my favorite episode of Who, whereas I don't give a fuck about any Moffat episode looking back on them.

New Doctor new Costume.

>>39668
I am getting serious Pertwee vibes.

Also, both Moffat and RTD can be shit but I have enjoyed episodes during both their runs. I still think Moffat needs to go. Tje Gaiman episodes were among my favorites in Moffat's era, just as Cornell wrote some damn fine episodes during the Davies era.

Also, End of Time and Time of the Doctor were both terrible episodes with some enjoyable bits.

>>39669
One of the reasons I'm super chill with the look

>>39668

Where the hell did he even find that jacket.

Kinda hoping twelve has a more spanner type sonic like three and four and less "wand" type like the recent incarnations, go back to it being a tool.

>>39668
It looks like he's trying to get his webshooters to work. The pallette isn't helping much, either.

But pose aside- Looks like a good look. It seems almost like NuWho is going backwards in terms of fashion with each successive Doctor.

>>39678
Saying that and I now see that outfit as being a good one for Old Man Parker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GajuOySP9Tg

I'm ready for Moffat to leave (or have him someone there to reign him in, which Davies needed as well in my opinion), but I am actually kind of looking forward to Capaldi as the Doctor.