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35111 No. 35111
lets get this started.
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>> No. 35115
It's about time Amy got her Doctor moment. I enjoyed this episode.
>> No. 35118
So does this mean that the Silurians go extinct? Did some stay behind on Earth?
>> No. 35119
>>35118
Some are probably still deep underground.
>> No. 35120
>>35118
This was a plan B.
>> No. 35123
T-topsie ;__________;
>> No. 35127
>>35111
Dino Crisis 3?
>> No. 35129
I enjoyed this one a lot. It was simply a really fun episode, nothing more, nothing less. Also, Brian was fantastic to watch as he muddled through everything happening around him.

And seeing Amy get her "Doctor moment" was great. I love it when she takes charge.

Nitpicks: I still rankle at Rory (and by extension his family) being reduced to Pond by the Doctor. It feels like a feminist approach but it comes out as overreaching and eliminating much of Rory's personal identity, instead delegating him as "Amy's husband". I much prefer to look at them as the Pond-Williams, but that's just me.

I also found myself bothered by Nefertiti and the big game hunter (sorry, can't remember the name) shacking up at the end. It feeds into a particular trope I'm not a fan of, that being feisty women who stand up for themselves end up being attracted to sexist men. Blegh.
>> No. 35130
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35130
Can somebody explain why there have been so many badly written episodes in DW? I mean, this show has more potential than most others, and yet... why?
>> No. 35132
Is it just me, or is 11 getting at little . . . worrisome in terms of his morals?

First, he lets a damaged, confused and mental unfit woman sacrifices herself for no real reason except she was in a Dalek Shell. She was scared and confused, and what she really need was a good Doctor.

Now he has a foe disarmed, helpless, and at his mercy. And he kills him.

Sure he was a dick and deserved to die, but he wasn't a threat anymore. Contrast this to 10's actions after the apparent murder of Jenny. "I Would Never" and all that.

I'm just saying, if 11 were my friend, I would start looking into getting him some help. At least before this bastard shows up http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Valeyard
>> No. 35133
>>35130

Wibbly timey wobbley wimey.

Or something equally handwavey. Sometimes I think they just handwave the entire plot of some episodes.
>> No. 35135
>>35132
It's only a matter of time (assuming Moffat or whoever is showrunner by the time we get the 12th or 13th Doctor remembers him or feels he is worth using). In fact, I have a feeling he was in the Doctor's room in the God Complex. It's not like the Doctor hasn't done questionable stuff before or let villains die, but it seems to be coming to a head now.
>> No. 35136
>>35132
Well, strickly speaking, the Doctor DIDN'T kill Soloman. India did. With missile that he told them not to launch.
>> No. 35140
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HE DESERVED TO DIE A HUNDRED TIMES OVER FOR KILLING TOPSIE!
>> No. 35141
>>35133
As long as they declare stupid episodes non-canon, I am perfectly fine with that. But they don't do it in most cases. I would have to do it myself. And that makes me sad.
>> No. 35143
>>35132
First, he lets a damaged, confused and mental unfit woman sacrifices herself for no real reason except she was in a Dalek Shell. She was scared and confused, and what she really need was a good Doctor.

It's not like she gave The Doctor much of a choice, she told him to run and stayed put. Smart as she is if she wanted to leave with the Doctor once she knew what she was, she would have.

Now he has a foe disarmed, helpless, and at his mercy. And he kills him. Sure he was a dick and deserved to die, but he wasn't a threat anymore. Contrast this to 10's actions after the apparent murder of Jenny. "I Would Never" and all that.

Pull the trigger himself, no, never. But there are missiles inbound, no means to disable them, and a genocidal greed monger trying to run. Hard opportunity to pass up.

The fact is, The Doctor is a very old man, who has seen enough tragedy for it to tear down the pacifist in him a hundred times over, with companions in place to be his check and balance.

Also? Nooooobody would have been happy if Solomon got away. Including the audience.
>> No. 35144
>>35143
> Contrast this to 10's actions after the apparent murder of Jenny. "I Would Never" and all that.

For that matter, 10 was directly responsible for more deaths over the course of his run than anybody but 7.
>> No. 35147
>>35129
>Nitpicks: I still rankle at Rory (and by extension his family) being reduced to Pond by the Doctor.

It's called a running joke. JOKE.
>> No. 35148
>>35144
The eleventh Doctor kind of reminds me of Seven a little. He mostly reminds me of the second, but there's something about Smith's Doctor that reminds me of McCoy's.
>> No. 35150
>>35147
No, I get that it's meant to be a joke. It's just one that doesn't suit my taste. Hence why I said I was being nitpicky. I'm allowed to not like a joke.
>> No. 35151
>>35143

It was just shocking to see some ASK for his help and mercy, with him being completely capable of saving them without great cost, and him coldly saying no.

>>35144

Well there way 'The Moment' that seemed to kill / erase a few complete worlds of people, ending the Time War, but not sure if that would go on 8 or 9's counter.
>> No. 35154
>>35151
Saving them how?

At best, she's a human head in a Dalek shell. What's left after that but a calm death?
>> No. 35155
I'll admit, they could have stunned him and held him captive and had some space prison pick him up with his ship acting as decoy for the missiles, but no. no, the doctor killed that man. i would have, but i didn't expect the doctor to have put all that together.
>> No. 35156
>>35132
I hope the writers actually remember this guy. I want to see him genuinely show up as a recurring antagonist now that the Master is technically gone for good. It would be a fitting match honestly, having another evil Time Lord wandering around.

Also, what's the deal on regeneration limits? Does the Doctor still have that going on, or wasn't it taken off or something.
>> No. 35159
The Fourth Doctor snapped a man's neck for pointing a gun at him. The first Doctor nearly stabbed a man for slowing the company down.
The fucker was only ever a moral worrywart as Tennant. Doctor kills people, this was nothing.
>> No. 35160
>>35159
Good to know.
>> No. 35161
>>35159
Dip in an Acid Bathyoutube thumb
Then there was this.
>> No. 35163
>>35161
Well this is the Sixth Doctor we're talking about...
The Sixth Doctor chokes Periyoutube thumb
>> No. 35164
>>35163
Doctor and Peri Brown -Unstable?youtube thumb
The more of his tenure I watch, the more I find out how much I like Colin Baker as the Doctor.
>> No. 35176
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>>35144
>>35132
On that note Davies run was inconsistent as balls about Ten's whole mercy schtick. One second it's "No second chances, I'm that kind of man," the next he's begging a sociopathic cripple, who just tried to kill him, his friends, and the entire universe for the upteenth, time to let him save him.

Also I refuse to believe stuff like the Time Lord Victorious and that loveable Dream Lord fellow aren't totally building up to the Valeyard.
>> No. 35177
>>35176
Not to mention the Doctor's room in The God Complex. Moffat has said before that he does not plan on using characters like the Rani or the Meddling Monk or the Krotons because they'd be too obscure for casual viewers or people just getting into the show (or something like that.), but I would not put it past him to build up to the Valeyard.

Anyway, some teasers were revealed for tomorrow's episode.
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/a-town-called-mercy-teasers-39075.htm
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/more-a-town-called-mercy-teasers-39097.htm
>> No. 35191
Oh. I get it. Doctor and Master. Doctor and Nurse.
Doctor > Master
Doctor > Nurse
Slightly related. I love Rory.
>> No. 35197
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It's a team-up that needs to happen.
>> No. 35200
Ben, what are you doing in Doctor Who?
>> No. 35201
>>35200
Wearing a rubbish fake mustache?
>> No. 35208
is no one going to mention FARSCAPE OMG
>> No. 35209
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/the-power-of-three-teasers-39395.htm
I can't wait for this episode. UNIT!
>> No. 35257
Okay episode.

Next episode is our farewell to the Ponds.
>> No. 35262
Epsidoe started off really well; nice box mystery, etc...

But it all kinda fell apart at the end.
>> No. 35263
Epsidode started off really well; nice box mystery, etc...

But it all kinda fell apart at the end.
>> No. 35264
Episode started off really well; nice box mystery, etc...

But it all kinda fell apart at the end.
>> No. 35267
>>35262
>>35263
>>35264
The power of three!

Anyway, I really liked it. Chibnall's been writing some good stuff. Pond Life, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, and this? I'm loving this season.
>> No. 35268
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I feel like the power of three is best viewed as a promissory note, UNIT revived and fucking radical, and the Time Lord equivalent of the pied piper wanting to wipe out humanity still at large.

Not to mention foreshadowing the fate of Rory and Amy coming up next episode with their final journey.
>> No. 35270
i hope to God that the ponds don't end up rose tyler'd or stuck in some particular space-time block
or
stored in a computer
or
god knows

i'm fine with missing them. i just don't want them to lose their earthly lives.
>> No. 35271
>>35270
It appears they're going to get Weeping Angel'd.
>> No. 35272
I enjoyed this episode, but agree that the conclusion was rushed and disappointing. I thought the part at the end with Kate, where the Doctor saluted her was beautifully done and the very end is kind of depressing in that whole "We finally know where we belong. Things can only go up from here" way that indicates that shit is going to go horribly awry. I think this episode would have benefited from being at least a two-parter. As Tiki said though, it's best viewed as a promissory note. It's good to have UNIT back and being awesome.
>> No. 35275
>>35271
ya i got that far, but what does a weeping angel do? if it doesn't try to kill you, it sends you back in time where hopefully a mad man with a box can pick you up.
the fact that rory or amy gets their time consumed by angels doesn't say anything about what will happen to them and how. how does it end? where do they go? not what takes them there.
>> No. 35279
The episode was fantastic. Note for note fantastic. Probably my favorite of the season so far. Neck and neck with Town Called Mercy.

Regarding the Ponds... Weeping Angels consume POTENTIAL time and energy. Yeah they can send you back in time and feed off the life you live from that point forward, but that's when they're weak. And solitary. When strong, and in groups, they can just sap all that potentiality with one touch, much like we saw in Time of The Angels/Flesh & Stone. This is a more likely scenario we're looking at in Angels Take Manhattan. Man, I hope for the best. Seeing as the STATUE OF FUCKING LIBERTY will be a Weeping Angel!!!(as shown in the canadian preview)
>> No. 35285
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The ending felt a bit too rushed, and the plot kind of fell apart on us, but this was really one of those few episodes I would honestly say is better to watch for the characters than the plot. Also I really love the new UNIT much more than Davies era if only for Kate Lethbridge-Stewart and her nerdy sidekick Glasses. It's actually made me want to go back and watch some Pertwee-era serials if only because I've heard it compared favorably to those quite a bit.

Trailer for next week has me hype as fuck for BABY WEEPING ANGELS. And I swear to god if the Beeb doesn't sell these posters they've made for each episode this season I will be so damn disappoint. I'd love to have this one up on the wall next to my Ironsides Dalek poster.
>> No. 35294
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>> No. 35295
Part of me wouldn't be surprised if Rory and Amy's end ended up with them turning on each other. I have a friend who is fully convinced Amy isn't emotionally invested in Rory, and he's loyal to the end to her while she goes off and flirts with The Doctor and a lot of the one-off characters they meet together (like Vincent Van Gogh).

Don't get me wrong though, if their genders were flipped, I'd be equally mad, if not moreso.
>> No. 35296
>>35294
Hell sight more interesting then cracks and a million times better than "Spoilers" (who is the only think making me cringe about next weeks episode) and a Billion times better than fucking "Bad Wolf" ohh that makes me cringe more than "Spoilers"

>>35295
Though that plot point was already hit back when they first started traveling together and kinda revisited at the beginning of this series. But yea Amy doesn't seem emotionally invested in a damn thing. I see her "having" emotions but I don't "feel" them if you get my meaning.
>> No. 35310
>>35295
> flirts with The Doctor and a lot of the one-off characters they meet together (like Vincent Van Gogh).
Didn't Rory technically not exist at that point? Like, he got shot and sucked up into the time crack and only the Doctor remembered him.
>> No. 35315
>>35310
Yes. Especially when she was flirting with Vincent van Gogh and swooning over the sexy Roman legion. Kind of hard to be emotionally invested in your fiance when you don't know he exists.
>> No. 35319
>>35315
So do you think it kinda establishes that while the Pond women truly love one man...they are kinda whorish. Hell Amy hits that ball out of the fucking park when we first meet her.
>> No. 35322
>>35319
I wouldn't say whorish, more like... yeah a bit whoreish. It's not like she got with any of them though, and as far as the Doctor thing is concerned she was nervous about getting married and suddenly her attractive childhood suddenly-no-longer-imaginary friend showed up out of nowhere to whisk her off and show her the stars. To say she was in a weird state of mind is an understatement. And I can't fault any woman for getting hot and bothered around a group of Roman soldiers pulled straight out of her own mind.
>> No. 35324
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>>35319
>they are kinda whorish
I...no...no I can't, I CAN'T...I can't. Just...no.
>> No. 35326
>>35319
>slut shaming
are you at all bothered by captain jack?
>> No. 35330
You people are silly, Doctor takes people through time and space for adventures, what would be the point if you couldn't occasionally feel up a queen or squeeze a lizard lady boobie? or run your hands along a gladiators abs or pinch Ben Franklin's buttocks?
>> No. 35331
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>>35319
Yeah, what a little slut.
>> No. 35338
no srsly slut shaming is terrible.
>> No. 35339
>>35338
Seriously, have the slut walks taught us nothing?
>> No. 35341
>>35339
>>35338
Agreed. Slut shaming is dumb and pointless and I don't know why it had to enter this thread.
>> No. 35342
You can hate sluts of both genders if you want. Especially ones that think it's some triumph of cultural engineering to be one.
>> No. 35344
Watched it live with /tv/ since I'll be at work when the torrents go up. Damn solid episode, lived up to all my expectations. I won't lie that it reduced me to tears.

Also reposting this here before anyone asks, since /tv/ didn't seem to get it.
>1) How did the statue of Liberty move without any new-yorker noticing
The Angels presence was causing time distortions in Manhattan. Didn't you notice when the Doctor and Amy skipped from Central Park, to Time Square to across the Hudson mid conversation? Hell, River outright said it.

>> No. 35345
Looking forward to this tonight.
Will say that it is honestly time the Ponds left.
Gonna pop in with thoughts later.
>> No. 35349
This is probably the coolest use of River since her introduction.

And I say that as someone who really likes River.
>> No. 35351
>>35341
Because they seem to thing they need a reason to bash Amy. I agree with you guys. That still doesn't change the fact that she's probably the worst companion ever.
>> No. 35352
>>35351
In what manner?
>> No. 35353
No no no. This was not meant to turn into a slut-shaming discussion. Eugh. I hate even using the term "slut". I only meant Amy maybe wasn't ready to get married, or maybe she's polyamorous, which is totally okay, and people pointed out she'd forgotten Rory at that point, which makes her fidelity or lack of it null.

I'm very monogamous myself, but as long as my partner was honest that they were poly, it wouldn't be a big deal.
>> No. 35354
Pretty bad episode. Too much wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey bullshit and ridiculous stuff like nobody looking at the goddamn Statue of Liberty while it crosses over to the hotel, or the many instances where nobody is looking at the normal-sized angels, and yet they don't move. Also, Rory's poor dad.
>> No. 35355
>>35354
No body saw the Statue of Liberty because of the time distortions it was causing see >>35344
>> No. 35357
Man, that wise quite a way for that to go. I'm gonna miss those crazy Williamses, and now we've gotta wait for Christmas...
>> No. 35358
The Most Dangerous Game..of Tag.
>> No. 35360
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>>"Oh here we go, here we go, here we go again . . ."
>> No. 35361
BRB CRYING LIKE A BITCH.
>> No. 35362
>>35351
No, the worst companion ever is Adric. Inarguably so. He was just total garbage.

And even after Adric, there's STILL probably a good half dozen before Amy enters the picture.
>> No. 35363
yeah. i. i just. i feel bad for everyone that the ponds had to finish out their life without having any other kids back in time completely unable to get back in contact with the doctor or their families/friends
granted, they did get aged forward a bit since "the power of three", so i take it that they spent a lot of their lives together hopping around having adventures and living in london with the parents and their friends
i'll try to take some solace in that
but really i'm just upset that they came to such a sudden end
and almost all for naught
i've been grieving all week for them.
and now i know that their fate is so much worse than i'd hoped
i'm upset
>> No. 35364
Ok, I'm pissed that this sort of going out happened. I say it should have ended with the Power of Three episode, as they could have just simply left them off with their families. The Doctor's done it before, he can do it again. But no, instead we are subject to them being legitimately killed off. Note: this means they can't even make future cameos, as their lives are set in fucking stone.

Overall, I completely wish this episode hadn't happened, and that they had left in the previous one, which felt so much more right.
>> No. 35365
Ok, I'm pissed that this sort of going out happened. I say it should have ended with the Power of Three episode, as they could have just simply left them off with their families. The Doctor's done it before, he can do it again. But no, instead we are subject to them being legitimately killed off. Note: this means they can't even make future cameos, as their lives are set in fucking stone.

Overall, I completely wish this episode hadn't happened, and that they had left in the previous one, which felt so much more right.
>> No. 35366
That was just bloody awful.

They never even addressed that apparently now Angels can turn non-Angel statues into Angels? Statue of Liberty? wtf?
>> No. 35367
>Adric

SHHHHHHHHHH, we don't talk about it.
>> No. 35372
>>35366
That was implied at the end of Blink.
>> No. 35373
>>35366
That was implied at the end of Blink.
>> No. 35374
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The Doctor needs to take Wilfred and Brian as his companions.

A lot of the Doctor's problems with good ends for companions would be solved by taking awesome old men who've lived full lives already.
>> No. 35377
>>35374
You mean like Richard M. Nixon? Who totally should have been a companion for a couple episodes after Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon?

In any case, they need to add a new guy next season anyway- Doctor Who is usually best when he's got at least two companions, because the non-surrogate granddaughter gets to be a good contrast to the Doctor. Like Jamie, Harry Sullivan, Turlough, and even Rory.
>> No. 35378
>>35364
although i agree with most of your statement, i don't wish that the episode were never made.

like many things in life, it's not fair, but at least it felt... real? it felt authentically like something that could happen in their story. after sleeping on it, i realized that something like this episode was simply bound to happen.

and you know what? they lived somewhat long lives and spent years with the doctor. they could still make cameos as their younger selves.

the doctor doesn't have to travel in order. and i know people have been saying it's been done before, crossing back on timelines as with river song, but he's a time traveler. we're allowed to have those stories as long as their consistent.
>> No. 35384
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why didn't the doctor just park in Brooklyn and go pick ap Amy and Rory.

like he did at the start of the episode
>> No. 35385
>>35362
Okay so ever was inaccurate but she's been the worst companion in the new series. Really, I wish he'd drop amy off so he and Rory still go off on adventures.
>> No. 35386
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>>35384
Or find a machine that is more a bulldozer to time and space. Hell River even states her Vortex Manipulator doesn't give a flip and can go there anyway.
>> No. 35389
So basically, France noticed a lot of people were vanishing around a giant statue they had laying around, so they gave it as a "gift" to the Americans?

Touché, France.
>> No. 35390
>>35385
That's your opinion. And while majority opinions certainly aren't always true, and taste is subjective, you seem to be stating your opinion like you can't believe anyone would disagree with you, when in actuality yours is actually an unpopular view.
>> No. 35393
>>35385
>Rory going anywhere with the Doctor without Amy
IT'S LIKE YOU REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HIS PERSONALITY AT ALL
>> No. 35394
>>35393
More likely, he's that same guy that seems to hate women that posts here all the time, and wants Amy gone because "vaginas are gross."
>> No. 35400
>>35394
Different person completely. I was Okay with Rose, Martha was a bit wasted, Donna was pretty much God-tier. Amy, Amy is hollow. She reads the lines okay but you can't feel her emotions and I just find her unlikable.

>>35393
Yeah, I know but it would be nice.
>> No. 35403
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35403
Show was kinda eh and it seems like its the critics punching bag for some, but I found it a bit more entertaining when I thought of the aliens as Dr.Who Refugees
>> No. 35405
>>35377
>Richard Nixon further developing parnoia from fightin Rutan Host bodysnatchers
>> No. 35406
so I finally watched Angels Take Manhattan. Two thoughts:1
1) oh god why cant I stop crying its doomsday all over again except we all knew rose was coming back in some capacity the ponds are basically stuck waaaaaaaah
2) IS IT CHRISTMAS YET im so insanely stoked for jenna louise coleman to show up and steal the fucking show omg omg omg
>> No. 35409
>>35406
>2) IS IT CHRISTMAS YET im so insanely stoked for jenna louise coleman to show up and steal the fucking show omg omg omg

Indubitably.
>> No. 35413
Is Doctor Who a Religion? | Id…youtube thumb

Discuss.

I do think people can be inspired by a series to change their life or to do better things- whether that makes it a religious experience or not though, I have no idea.
>> No. 35417
>>35413
Cracked talked about something like this a while back actually, toward the middle-end of Season 6, while everyone was sobbing hysterically over the Girl Who Waited and for something off cracked, it made a lot of sense.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/how-dr.-who-became-my-religion/

And the thing is, I think they may have a point since I've been more deeply moved and motivated by a silly sci-fi show from the BBC than I ever have been by any religion or whatever.
>> No. 35419
>>35417
>while everyone was sobbing hysterically over the Girl Who Waited
I still nearly fucking tear up just at the mention of the title name.
She named him Rory, man. ;_;
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This will keep me happy till December.
>> No. 35424
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>> No. 35425
Is Doctor Who a Religion? | Id…youtube thumb
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>>35424
>>35423
I really need to get into the Big Finish stuff and start reading the IDW series again. It'll make the wait a thousand times less shit. Also the promo images for Dark Eyes are making me really want more live action McGann stuff.
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>>35424
>>35423
I really need to get into the Big Finish stuff and start reading the IDW series again. It'll make the wait a thousand times less shit. Also the promo images for Dark Eyes are making me really want more live action McGann stuff.
>> No. 35440
How hard is to find a toy version of 9th Doctor's sonic screwdriver?

>>35425
This guy again?
The answer is simple: nope.avi
>> No. 35443
>>35440
http://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Sonic-Screwdriver-Flashlight/dp/B000F487KQ ?
Others on Amazon http://tinyurl.com/9mavzud
>> No. 35455
>>35440
your understanding of religion may be too strict. i took religious studies courses that discussed the criteria for religion and what other things fit those criteria, likes sports enthusiasm, nationalism (civil religion), and possibly even something as seemingly self-aware as a fandom.

all that's required is really this: (1) cult, (2) code, and (3) creed. nations/countries usually have all of those: (1) a group of people who identify themselves as the same group, (2) laws and standards by which they hold themselves accountable, and (3) text, rituals, and ideology that they profess as being necessarily accepted in order to be part of their group.

by these standards, doctor who fans even more easy to categorize as a religion than sports fans who are often called "religious" in their support. what rules do sports fans follow? the game certainly follows rules, yes, but there's no agreed upon moral code for the fans. traditions maybe. the doctor has rules. the doctor has a belief system and he helps people develop themselves in a meaningful way. even the fans who aren't his real companions can usually attest to having a personal relationship with the show, with the Doctor character, and with his companions.

to write it off as not a religion is missing something big because it doesn't have the right label on it. it's more than a tv and media series.
>> No. 35457
So hey just as a reminder because I'm watching it right now, but "Boomtown" is the best fucking episode of Series 1 Doctor Who that isn't the Empty Child two-parter. it's so fucking great.
>> No. 35458
>>35457
>Someone else likes Boom Town
ILU Nurse. Dat goddamn atmosphere.
>> No. 35459
>>35455
I'm gonna take a risk on this.
Look, that guy always gives to much credit to everything on his videos. And while what he wants is do create discussion, I don't think this kind of topic (or any other he chooses on hi videos) would be valid or appropriate.
And if we're going to apply his terms on that, then the Sonic fandom, treekies, Homestuck fandom, and bronies (among many others) would be religions as well.
It's just a good tv show, not the second coming of anything.
>> No. 35460
>>35443
Oh yeah, thanks!
Gonna get me one of those.
>> No. 35464
>>35455

It falls down at part (2). The show may impart a certain moral perspective, but the fandom do not hold themselves accountable to it.
>> No. 35466
I haven't had a religious experience with anything, including organized religion, but has Doctor Who made me rethink how I do things sometimes and made me want to be a better person? Yes.
>> No. 35468
>>35459
never said it was "the one true religion" or anything. i think there's always a this notion that religion has to provide and have sole ownership over the ultimate truths of reality, when really they're just good at telling a story that can help people develop their own understanding. how tightly the religion forces people to stick to the ideology will vary from place to place and person to person.

trekkies tend to have a positive moral code based on Federation ethics, but I'm not sure one way or another if it's fair to call them a religion. jedi maybe have more of an order to them, but i think it's a silly religion if it is one.

and what makes a topic invalid or inappropriate? i'm not sure that any discussion should be off the table unless the proven absurdity far outweighs how offensive it may seem. As one religious teacher told me about parables, just because it's not true doesn't mean it doesn't have Truth in it. also, his standards are different from other religious standards i have seen, as i have plainly laid out in my earlier post. i consider my three point qualification a bit more rigorous.

>>35464
i'm inclined to agree with >>35466 as it has helped me develop my own moral standards. the doctor is an ever changing entity with different ethics under each regeneration. it's a brilliant metaphor for people, their ethical beliefs, and their paths in life as they evolve and change. each time, even if i disagree with him or his companions, i get something meaningful out of it.

so maybe it isn't a religion, but i think it's a meaningful discussion to have if not just because it's important to evaluate just what it means to believe in something and what it is a religion does for us.

the doctor has changed my life for the better. i can say that much.
>> No. 35485
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http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/series-7-part-2-filming-spoilers-40526.htm
Nothing for certain, but it looks like there's a possibility that the Doctor encounters different versions of the new Companion at different points throughout History. That could be interesting if true.
>> No. 35487
>>35485
I feel like he'll meet her in the Christmas special, then meet her again permanently in the premiere. As nifty as meeting her over and over through time and space would be, having to reintroduce her every episode woulf get tedious for the writers and the viewers.
>> No. 35488
>>35485
I feel like he'll meet her in the Christmas special, then meet her again permanently in the premiere. As nifty as meeting her over and over through time and space would be, having to reintroduce her every episode woulf get tedious for the writers and the viewers.
>> No. 35489
I had an idea where every episode of one season would have a different Companion, all of whom had their own reason for staying in their own place/time while The Doctor searched for someone new.

There should also be more episodes like "Blink" where the Doctor's barely in them and a secondary character takes control. I think I'd like a sort of Twilight Zone thing with it.
>> No. 35507
Doctor Who: P.S. - Series 7 2012 - BBC Oneyoutube thumb
>> No. 35508
>>35507
This scene was simultaneously so necessary (because Brian is awesome, the Ponds finally discovering the existence of adoption, etc) and yet so understandibly omitted from the episode (as a postscipt with that level of emotion would kind of undermine the emotional resonance of the end of the Ponds story in the context of the episode itself)

Very good DVD extra.
>> No. 35515
>>35508
the descendant of a Adopted Pond should be a UNIT officer or the US equivalent "Foremost Expert on the 11th" and all that.
>> No. 35520
>>35507
Welp not gonna lie, I teared up.
>> No. 35521
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>>35507
>I bought a trowel
>> No. 35526
So I showed my mom a few eps of the new season of Doctor Who a week or so ago, and she seemed to really like it. And then today, we're eating lunch and I told her I had downloaded the early seasons and she asked if we could watch it. The first three episodes of season 1 later and she's completely in love.

my mom

(who is damn near Jackie Tyler but prettier)

likes Doctor Who

that's the best fucking news i've ever been given gosh
>> No. 35532
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35532
Trying to get back into this series by rewatching it from day one (of new Who, I'm not mental).

Got up to Tooth and Claw ie the episode where Russell T Davies thought shaolin monks in Scotland would make sense goddamn I hate this man.

One thing I was struck by is how consistent Eccleston's season was compared with Tennant's run. I'm not going to say that he's better because that's like lighting a match in an oxygen-rich environment and I don't really think it either. But there's no really bad Eccleston episodes. Closest are the Slitheen episodes, but even those are perfectly serviceable episodes dragged down by bad visual design work and HAHA FARTS ARE FUNNY. You can pop in more or less any episode of Eccleston's run and get at least a decent experience. Not like how it was in Tennant's run, especially near the end, when it was a total coin toss whether any given episode would be sheer genius or the worst hour of television you'd ever experienced.

(And this, of course, is due in large part to Davies letting his Terrible Writer flag fly more and more as the show went on. Fuck That Guy)

It also has the best season finale of Davies' run, for what very, very, very little that is worth. It has problems (the Killer Game Show thing is not only really underdeveloped, it's also practically a non-sequitur in the context of the real threat) but it wasn't bad, either.
>> No. 35536
>>35532
>not liking Tooth and Claw
I WILL FIGHT YOU okay shaolin monks made no fucking sense and was basically never discussed again but SERIOUSLY I'LL FIGHT YOU THAT EPISODE WAS GREAT
>> No. 35537
>>35536

The wolf parts weren't bad, and Queen Victoria was great. I'm just picking on the shaolin monks because GODDAMIT, DAVIES, REALLY?
>> No. 35538
>>35537
Man i'll concede that the Shaolin Monks were dumb because their ... shaolin-y-ness was never touched upon again ever. They didnt bust out martial arts or whatever at any point in the episode other than the first minute or two, so i dont see why they didnt just ride in with guns and horses and hold the place hostage the old fashion way? It doesn't really piss me off the way it does you, but it absolutely baffles me

and, without trying to star THE WAR OF THE AGES, i still prefer rtd over moffat oh well
>> No. 35539
>>35538
Honestly? Yeah, I mean Moffat is great but there was more of a...I dunno, light heartedness i guess? that RTD seemed to handle better, it's when he tried to do super serious stories that he absolutely fucks it up.
>> No. 35540
Also Gridlock is my favorite episode of Doctor Who, I can't hate on RTD even after Torchwood.
>> No. 35541
>>35539
Man, I just prefer everything about RTD's seasons over Moffat's except for maybe the production values (Do not take this to mean I don't love Matt Smith, I'm pretty sure he's actually the Doctor just goofing off and playing himself on tv atm because why not?)

Moffat's individual episodes when he was just a writer ranged from unforgettable (Blink) to great (Empty Child/Doctor Dances) to passable (Girl in the Fireplace). Except for The Eleventh Hour and the Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, none of moffats own episodes have been that great. Again, exempting the Impossible Astronaut and its amazing payoff, every episode from Season 6 that was PHENOMENAL was not written by Moffat (The Doctor's Wife, The God Complex, The Girl Who Waited, Closing Time) and Moffat's own episodes were pretty bad.
>> No. 35542
>>35541
I'd actually put The Girl in the Fireplace up there with Blink personally, but point taken.

I just love me some chivalrous hero "I'M WHAT MONSTERS FEAR/ Your the King of France? yeah well I'm the lord of time."
>> No. 35543
I've not actually seen any of the show under Moffat, Journey's End was so terrible that it turned me off the series altogether. I just know that I fucking hate Russell T. Davies.

Like Tiki said, Davies can do silly, light-hearted fun. But any time he tries to be even slightly serious it's a complete mess, in part because the man cannot into plausible science fiction at all (it's called internal consistency and introducing your plot elements ahead of time you chucklefuck) and in part because he can never stop jerking off to the Doctor's manpain. Torchwood was the absolute worst of this, as well as being a free playground for him to show off how terrible he is at handling issues of sex and other "adult" themes in an actually adult way. But it came out in his own episodes too. Oh, lord, did it ever.
>> No. 35547
>>35543
>(it's called internal consistency and introducing your plot elements ahead of time you chucklefuck)
Something Moffat actually seems to know how to do. Seriously though, don't let Davies last few episodes turn you off from the series entirely, the Moff's run has been pretty fucking fantastic. And Davies did get one more good one out(Waters of Mars) after series four. Though he immediately threw out any credibility it gave him with The End of Time.

Dear god I hate the End of Time so fucking much. SO. FUCKING. MUCH.
>> No. 35550
>>35547

Oh yeah, I know, that's one of the things I love about Moff's episodes in the RTD era. Journey's End was just so bad that it actively sucked the joy for the series out of me. I couldn't be bothered to carry on, even though I knew the creative team was getting totally shaken up.

I'm trying to reignite the old passion with a total canon review. Seems to be working.
>> No. 35553
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>hating on Journey's End
But why?
>> No. 35555
>>35553

Because it was terrible in every way that wasn't Davros? That it saddled poor Martha with the responsibility of speaking the stupidest lines in the history if science fiction? That poor Donna and Rose got resolutions so terrible that it would have honestly been preferable if they had gotten fridged? That it made the Daleks a total joke by having the Doctor and co slide them around like air hockey pucks in a ~wacky~ scene that seemed pulled from Batman and Robin? That there was never any dramatic tension because it would oscillate between DAVROS IS WINNING AND NOBODY CAN STOP HIM and THE DOCTOR IS WINNING AND THE DALEKS CAN'T DO SHIT TO HIM every few minutes with no transition in between? Because FUCK DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED
>> No. 35556
>>35555
1) moff stated that he would only use the dalek again if there were stories that were worthy of them or made good use of them because they are supposed to be formidable and terrible. each defeat makes them one step more worthless
2) yeah. the slapstick and the sheer amount of circle jerking in that episode was painful. best line out of it came from davros' analysis about the companions.
3) didn't do much with davros.
4) i didn't mind the return of rose to the other side. it barely made sense that she'd show up at all. in fact, it cheapened her departure. i lost it the first time she was taken away. this time, it was just the show writers saying that it's okay for her to have a happy ending. dudewithmoney don't go readin' this i suspect this is going to be a setup for the 50th anniversary's return of Tennant and Piper
5) bullshit way to let Donna go. doctor-donna was neat for me only because i loved donna so much, but it was a bit of a cop-out.
6) it felt good knowing that RTD was going to end his Lonely God Complex bit
7) moffat's run and matt smith's doctor deal with each of the psychological complexes and issues that RTD introduced to the doctor in thoughtful and subtle ways in order to provide some growth and closure for the character while still providing original content and a brand new feel. i suggest you try them out. he pays good homage to the series as a whole.
>> No. 35557
>Moffat
>internal consistency
>laughingwhores.jpg
>> No. 35559
>>35556
>each defeat makes them one step more worthless

This is very true. The single Dalek in Dalek was terrifying, the millions of Daleks in Journey's End were just another monster.
>> No. 35562
>>35556
The more I think about it I think I only like Tennant because Donna was there. I was super mad it happened partly because I was hoping she'd at least stay on another season. Partly because there isn't a good way to bring her back. I some ways Donna made me dislike the eleventh doctor and Amy (Though in other ways Amy just makes me dislike her because of her character)
>> No. 35563
>>35562
lately amy's just been a poor man's Donna Noble. A snarky redhead with attitude issues who's friendship with the Doctor keeps him in line? where have i heard that before. the only difference is that Amy is JUST that and is rarely given chance to be anything else
>> No. 35565
things moffat CAN'T do well:
write characters that come from over half the human population (women)
pace his stories
clarify themes and plot points
keep himself from leaking SPOILERS
write romance (neither chibnall for that matter) (neil gaiman on the other hand...)
delicately explore themes (he's got subtle scenes but hammers themes in with such repetition that it begins to feel like everyone's going to get save the world weddings and the doctor is going to disappear out of his own show)

that said, i still LOVE his run, quite a bit more than Davies', which I was quite fond of in spite of all its own flaws.
>> No. 35574
>Neil Gaiman wrote 7x12
>confirmed on his tumblr
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>> No. 35583
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Finished watching season two today! Concise thoughts on each follow:

0. The Christmas Invasion: Absolutely awful. I love Harriet Jones, and the middle bit with the blood control hypnosis was sort of okay, but the beginning bit with the christmas-themed invaders and the entire ending and...everything else was just atrocious.
1. New Earth: A bit crap. The special effects were truly terrible, even by Who standards. The bodyswapping sequences were sort of amusing but the gross going-on-forever scenes of Cassandra-in-Roses's-body going on and on about how hot Billie Piper is were just...ugh.
2. Tooth and Claw: see below. Not terrible, the wolf itself wasn't bad and Queen Victoria was great, but SHAOLIN MONKS IN VICTORIAN SCOTLAND, WHAT? Overall: kinda crap.
3. School ReUnion: Now, this is more like it. It's initially annoying how of COURSE Rose and Sarah Jan have to be at each other's throats, but they get over it and bond about it so that's okay. This is also the episode in which Mickey's gradual transformation from complete weenie to sort-of-actually-good-at-this-alien-busting-thing starts to take hold, so that's also good.
4. The Girl in the Fireplace: This is a damn good episode. The romance plot is rushed and not great, of course, but everything else is solid gold.
5/6. Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel: These are good episodes too. See the above about Mickey's gradual transformation. I also love Pete Tyler, so seeing him again was pretty great. Not much to say except - good, even if the hack-the-database stuff at the end was rather silly.
7. The Idiot's Lantern: Trying way too hard to be The Empty Child, filmed entirely in daylight. The Wire varied between passable Who villain and "Oh good LORD what a fucking ham". HUNNNNNNGRYYYYYYYYYY
8/9. The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit: Extremely mixed feelings on this one. EXTREMELY. Like, okay, all the SATANNNNNNNNN stuff was incredibly, pointlessly silly. Did the Who universe really need an appearance by The literal Beast? I don't think so. And its voicework didn't have even half the presence that would be needed to sell its lines. But at the same time, the episode's fundamentals were great: a great setting, a varied and distinctive cast, and even if the Ood themselves were silly their function as threat drove some really great scenes. That part with everyone crawling through maintenance tunnels, Ood right behind them, talking over the radio with the guy in the control center, who's keeping them breathing manually while Ood break down the door to get him...great stuff. And the story's internal logic is quite sound. It's just...THE BEAST. Sigh.
10. Love and Monsters: The ending implies that the irritating protagonist has oral sex with Moaning Myrtle who is also a slab of concrete. I think that's all that really needs to be said about this shithole of an episode.
11. Fear Her: I kind of like this one, but it does have problems. Whenever the alien possessing the little girl spoke it was...bad. And the ending with the Olympic torch thing was quite ridiculous and...really not needed on any level. But other than that it was quite good. The picture of her dad in the closet was hammy, yes, but it was also the manifestation of a young child's nightmares about her abusive father - of course it's going to be hammy. It's a rather primal thing and I thought it was rather effective.
12/13. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday: Better than Davies' other finales, not as good as season one's. More Jackie, Pete, and Mickey at his finest, and that's great. And the overall plot works. But the Daleks vs Cybermen thing (aside from that brilliant first scene) felt rather tacked on, and the whole "this is the story of how I died!" thing was just insulting. I mean come on, she was STANDING THERE when she first said it, it was so obviously not going to be literal. That said the last scene with Rose and the Doctor was a good conclusion to their relationship and her role in the show. TOO BAD DAVIES COULDN'T JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT oh well.
>> No. 35638
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And now, done with season three. I think this is Tennant's best season, although it contains a few truly awful episodes. They're counterbalanced by a lot of really good episodes, though.

0. The Runaway Bride: I'd actually not seen this one yet. Nothing to write home about, but it does a pretty good job introducing us to Donna, and the Racnoss Empress was fun. Cheesy, of course, but in a great, self-aware way. Overall, decent. Definitely an improvement over The Christmas Invasion.
1. Smith and Jones: The best season opener of Davies' run. The other three are passable episodes at best, but this one's genuinely good. Martha's fun, and this is a great introduction to her. The Judoon are a very believable set of antagonists: brutish rent-a-cops, nothing more. Corporate mercenaries, could very easily be a thing. The plot has several clever twists, unlike most Doctor Who season openers, which are usually the most painfully straightforward episodes of the season. Overall: Good, but not exceptional.
2. The Shakespeare Code: Probably this season's only mediocre episode. It's not bad, but...ugh. You bring in Shakespeare and the best you can think of to do with him is have the Doctor quote literature at him, and then go 'nope that somebody else's'. Like Shakespeare would even care.
3. Gridlock: Now this is the good stuff. Some parts of it don't really hold up on close examination (where are the Pharmacy Alley shops getting their product? How does nobody think that sort of traffic jam is reasonable?) but really, great stuff all around. And Father Dougal as a genial catperson was great.
4. Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks: Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. If there is a candidate for worst episode that can compete with Love and Monsters, this is it. The Daleks' plan is not only brazenly stupid - oh, yes, abandoning your invincible battle armor will definitely make you more able to survive! - it also goes against absolutely everything that makes a Dalek a Dalek. Which is why they turn on him, I guess, but it defies credulity that they would come up with it in the first place, let alone that the others would go along with it. And then we have to put up with Talullalammabrana's grating whine and pigboy's...everything. The episode's only redeeming value is Solomon who was a pretty cool guy.
5. The Lazarus Experiment: Also shit. Nothing worthwhile here at all. The worst part is probably that it's full of Martha's family. Martha's family - especially her mother - are incredibly tiresome. Her mother is basically Jackie Tyler, except without any of the things which make Jackie fun or entertaining. Complete waste of space.
6. 42: I fucking love this episode! And not just for the gimmick, although it is a really great gimmick. There's not much to say beyond that, it's just a really solid episode all around.
7. Human Nature/The Family of Blood: You know, I always liked these episodes, but watching them again, this time with an understanding of how WW1 utterly decimated the population of young, upper-class British boys, makes it a thousand times better. It gives it a real pathos underlying the whole thing. Overall: really great.
8. Blink: Aaaaah this episode is so brilliant! The Weeping Angels were a fantastic monster idea, and everything ties up and works out wonderfully. Probably the best new!Who episode.
9. Utopia: Alright, so the Futurekind were pretty lame. But everything else was pretty great. That conversation with Jack in the radiating chamber was great, and Jacobi's Master was so good I honestly regret that we only got like two minutes of him. But what a two minutes! And finally, the Chameleon Arc coming back was great. Most of the season-long buildups are really beat-you-over-the-head obvious (Bad Wolf, Torchwood getting mentioned in ever damn episode of season two) but the Chameleon Arc really seemed like a one-off thing, so this was surprisingly subtle.
10. The Sound of Drums/The Last of the Time Lords: I almost feel bad putting these together, because The Sound of Drums is a great setup that The Last of the Time Lords utterly fails to live up to. The end result is a big steaming pile of shit, despite Simm's great performance as the Master, and a midpoint that suggested something truly phenomenal was in the making. Pixie Dust Jesus Doctor was bad enough - exceedingly frustrating, because it comes really close to making sense, it's so easy to rationalize into something that makes sense, but as presented it just doesn't - but the real stinker of this episode, to me, is expecting us to get all weepy over the Master dying at the end. Honestly, fuck you, Davies. After all the shit he did, expecting us to give a shit about him is just insulting.
>> No. 35641
>>35638
>Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
You forgot to mention that The Doctor decides to take abducted humans and experiment on them in an attempt to make them into hybrids.
>> No. 35644
>>35638
>Partners in Crime not the greatest season opener ever
dude come on

That said, every time i rewatch Gridlock, my opinion of it changes. At first I loved it and then I thought it was stupid as hell but then I rewatched it again like last week and I liked it again? Not as much as when I first saw it, but there's a lot of charm to the doctor jumping from car to car and all the weirdo people he meets. Plus the bit with everyone in the cars singing hymns is actually very sweet?

But you are completely and utterly on the money with the Series 3 finale. Utopia+Sound of Drums are damn near everything I could have asked for in a finale (Utopia is probably one of my top 10 favorite episodes every entirely for that conversation between Jack and the Doctor)... and then it all gets SO FUCKING STUPID right there at the end. raaaaargh
>> No. 35645
>>35644

It's a close second, it's just not as tight as Smith and Jones. And it's kind of weird in that if the Doctor and Donna hadn't stepped in it and made her accelerate the process, the Matron would have probably just quietly collected Adipose without really hurting anyone until she had enough, and then gone home.

>>35641

Oh yeah, that was seriously fucked up too. God, those episodes just stink on ice.
>> No. 35653
And that's season four behind me. Just the specials left of Tennant's run. Thoughts:

0. Voyage of the Damned. It's shit. About all there is to say.
1. Partners in Crime. I love Donna to bits, I really do. I just wish the villain here had been a bit more...threatening. Still, significantly better than Rose or New Earth, if not quite as good as Smith and Jones.
2. The Fires of Pompeii: I like this one! Nothing really exceptional, but it does a good job highlighting what role Donna plays as the Doctor's companion: she's his conscience.
3. Planet of the Ood: What's-his-name turning into an Ood at the end was beyond silly, but apart from that I think this was a damn fine episode. Any species evolving with its brain in its hand seems unlikely, but I can overlook it.
4. The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky: Another really good one. The UNIT soldiers are a bit of a disappointment - those clowns wouldn't last a single mission in an XCOM squad - but otherwise I quite enjoyed it. Martha's back, and I love Martha, and I especially like how Martha and Donna instantly get on like a house on fire.
5. The Doctor's Daughter: This is the episode which stopped me watching when the season was originally running. Or, to be more precise, the preview for it, which made it look just absolutely awful. The episode itself actually didn't turn out to be all that bad, the reveal that planetfall was only a week ago took me a bit by surprise, that was a bit clever. I have to call bullshit on the ending, though. I mean I'm glad they didn't actually kill Jenny off at the end because they couldn't think of anything else to do with her and they didn't want to deal with her running around, which is absolutely what I was expecting. But come on, if she's a Time Lord (and she is) give her a proper regeneration. Don't just do "oh she's got some of you but not enough I MEAN TOO MUCH", that's bullshit. She's cloned from the Doctor, for once Time Lord DNA really is the correct explanation. And Martha's trek across the blasted landscape was utterly pointless, the episode would have played out in exactly the same way if she'd just stayed in the Hath camp.
6. The Unicorn and the Wasp: ...eh. I liked Agatha Christie, but like so many other "the Doctor and his Companion go back and meet famous authors!" episodes I found the story around it rather lacking. For one thing, the titular Unicorn is totally pointless, isn't it?
7. Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead: Oh, oh, oh, now THIS is the good stuff. Fucking brilliant. It's got that perfect blend of mystery, suspense, and terror that makes for my ideal Who episode. And it played on the creepiness that is automatic lights in library aisles, which I've always thought was fucking scary. University of Ottawa's shelves on floors four and up do that at night, and it always spooks the hell out of me. Finally, I'm intrigued by River Song (although I've been spoiled for at least some of her story), and look forward to learning more about her under Moffatt.
8. Midnight: I was honestly surprised to learn this was a Davies episode, because it's really not Davies' usual style of script. It's good, for one thing. Or, rather, it was really good up until whatever the hell that thing was took over completely, and then it started to fall apart. People's actions didn't make sense, some people were randomly immune to the mindcontrol effect, and we never did find out what the hell sort of thing it was. A rather unsatisfying ending to a really great first 3/4 of an episode.
9. Turn Left: Well this one's pure Donna, so that's good. And you get to see what would have happened without the Doctor, which I think is really interesting. But Rose's performance here was...lackluster. And the big bad threat it promises is Journey's End, so that's disappointing. Overall good, but dragged down by its context.
10. The Stolen Earth/Journey's End: "It Stinks!"youtube thumb

Honestly, garbage, garbage, garbage. To be fair, it doesn't really turn bad until halfway through Journey's End proper...but when it gets bad, oh GOD does it get bad.

These episodes capture perfectly, like nothing else, how absolutely shit Davies is at technobabble. He doesn't even try to make it make sense. Science is just a plot device to him, every single time characters try babbling techno it comes out like this: GUI interface using visual bas…youtube thumb There's an art to technobabble, and Davies doesn't grok it.

"Oh give me that number on your teleporter! Now I can make my totally unrelated teleporter work!"
"Time Lord-Human Metacrisis"
"Yes, the TARDIS was Dalek-proof last time...but these are BETTER Daleks!"
"Every single thing Doctor-Donna says up until dragging the Earth back into place!"

Not to mention, how did the TARDIS tow the Earth out? I'm not one to fuss over physical possibility too much but wherever the crucible was, it was not part of the same physical universe as the Earth is. You can't just fly there. That's why they had to do all sorts of bad-technobabble bullshit to give the Doctor a phone call.

And then there's Martha's German doomsday device. This is just profoundly stupid. Again, I don't mean that every Who plot must adhere meticulously to established science, but come on. If you google 'how to destroy the earth' the very first result is a page telling you specifically that all the explosives in the world - literally - could not significantly alter the Earth's shape. Fuck up the ecosystem, yes. Destroy the earth itself? Please. And then there's the question of what sort of sick mind would think building something like that would make sense...this is why I honestly think Martha got just as much of the short end of the stick as Donna and Rose in this episode. She didn't get screwed over like them, but she had to say all of that like it made sense. Poor Freema Agyeman, I bet she needed a shower afterwards.

And then there's the ending. Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh. I honestly can't decide whether Donna or Rose's final fate makes me angrier. Donna's is bad, horribly bad, totally unnecessarily bad, but with Rose they didn't even try to justify it in universe. "Oh just spend the rest of your life babysitting not!me on a parallel world, even though you said specifically you didn't want to!" Plus, if he really is dangerous, why are you letting him loose on some parallel world? Imprisonment in the TARDIS was good enough for the Master, but not for him? I mean, he did save the universe from the threat of a new armada of Daleks. Clearly he's the real villain here. Christ. Not to mention it makes a hell of a lot more sense to imprison him there than the Master. He'll die eventually, the Doctor would only need to watch him for 50-60 years tops. The Master'd be there forever. Imprisoned within the universe's most powerful time machine. What could possibly go wrong? Ugh.
>> No. 35654
>>35644
>But you are completely and utterly on the money with the Series 3 finale. Utopia+Sound of Drums are damn near everything I could have asked for in a finale (Utopia is probably one of my top 10 favorite episodes every entirely for that conversation between Jack and the Doctor)... and then it all gets SO FUCKING STUPID right there at the end. raaaaargh
That was the point when I realized Davies couldn't write an ending for shit.
>> No. 35660
And now I'm well and truly done with Tennant. Thoughts on the final specials:

1. The Next Doctor: Oh man, I liked this one. Some parts of it don't hold up on close inspection but overall, fun, and the not!Doctor was a really great character.
2. Planet of the Dead: Not bad, not terrible. Just kind of meh outside of the character of Christina, who was fun. I was glad to see the UNIT Captain from Turn Left again, but she came as a package with the exceptionally irritating Malcolm Taylor, so I can't really call that a win.
3. The Waters of Mars: This was brilliant. The possessed humans were perfectly uncanny - still recognizably human, and yet clearly wrong, producing a chilling effect. Never showing them clearly while they were transforming was a fantastic move. The end of it was kind of...uh...iffy...but that ending was really an extension of The End of Time so I don't hold it against this episode.
4. The End of Time: It's shit. Complete shit. Fucking awful horrible shit. What were they THINKING? Just, really, what were they THINKING? Not even John Simm can save this, and honestly even he's completely rubbish until halfway through. What a low fucking note for Tennant to end his tenure on - although salvaged a bit by the last ten minutes, with the Doctor flying around and saying goodbye to all the bits of his life. That was great. It was great because it was completely divorced from everything else in the special. Everything else being complete shit.

Fucking christ, Davies, we GET it, he's a messy eater.
>> No. 35661
>>35660
yep. the end of time pulled a bit of a "matrix sequels" turn for the worse. there were some ideas i liked in it, such as an explanation for the master's insanity, one that can be retconned as not be a reason for his insanity, simply an oddity of timey-wimey story telling, and why the doctor refuses to find a way to unlock even a small portion of time lords. the dalek keep showing up, but no more time lords.

say hello to matt smith for me.
>> No. 35662
The Doctor and Wilf were brilliant in the End of Time and I will hear nothing to the contrary! But no most of it was absolute crap. Did enjoy David Tennant looking like hed had the hell beaten out of him right there at the end that... that was nice. mmmm.
>> No. 35666
>"Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue"

Oh, Moffatt, you were waiting the entire season for that little bit of wordplay, weren't you?

More cogent thoughts later, but for now I'll just say that I bloody loved season five. Except for the Lizard People episodes, those were pretty crap.
>> No. 35850
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35850
CYBUS CYBER-MEN WILL SUCK THE PROVERBIAL COOOOCK. MONDAS CYBERMEN SUPREME.
>> No. 35851
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35851
THE OBSOLETE CYBUS MODEL HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH A SLIMMER, MORE MANEUVERABLE DESIGN BEFITTING THE SUPREME CYBER SPECIES.
>> No. 35852
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35852
NO LONGER WILL THE CYBERMEN BE DETECTABLE FROM A MILE AWAY BY THE SOUND OF LOUD STOMPING METAL AND OBSOLETE WHIRRING GEARS. THE SUPERIOR MONDAS MODEL HAS WORKED OUT THOSE BUGS AND IS NOW AS QUIET AND SWIFT AS ITS FOREBEARERS.
>> No. 35853
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HERE WE SEE A GROUP OF LESSER BEINGS MID-CONVERSION, THEY ARE BEING FITTED WITH LATEST MODEL CYBER ASS FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF CYBERWOMEN.
>> No. 35854
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35854
So yeah new Cybermen.
>Written by Gaiman
>No longer stomp around but walk and run quietly like the Hartnell/Troughton era models
>Not Cybus Scum
>Cyber Ass
It's gon be gud.
>> No. 35856
Lord Dan Bicker is SPOILERS YOU FUCK
I'm gonna have to triple post just to make sure other people don't read any of this shit.
>> No. 35857
>>35856
GODDAMMIT, BICKER YOU LAZY FUCK WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS. ONCE YOU LEARN THINGS YOU CAN'T UNLEARN THEM.

YOU YOU DOUBLE
>> No. 35858
>>35857
SPOILER
>> No. 35859
File 135277598382.jpg - (25.15KB , 400x307 , 1352760262325.jpg )
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>>35856
>>35857
>>35858
DEAL WITH IT NERD. Everyone knew Gaiman was writing a Cybermen episode this season. WAY TO BE LATE TO THE PARTY.
>> No. 35861
>Not Cybus men

Good, may that awful shit never return.
>> No. 35865
>>35859
no you fucking retard, i didn't want to know about changes to the cybermen design. you don't think those will be interesting plot points and add to the atmosphere and gravity of the episodes?

christ, are you some kind of bloody moron? yes it's cool, but it's still a fucking spoiler. and yes everyone knows gaiman's writing the cybermen episode. a script was lost in cardiff and could have been leaked but fortunately GOOD FANS HAVE THE RIGHT FRAME OF MIND NOT TO SPREAD SPOILERS ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED THE ATTENTION AND THEY CARE ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF OTHER FANS.

don't go blaming the victim just because you don't know how to use the bloody spoiler tags when they're appropriate.

go eat a bag of vaginas.
>> No. 35868
>>35865
Posting a few set photos that reveal absolutely nothing of the plot, only something already widely known, isn't exactly the case where-in one would need to spoiler something. Getting so massively up in arms over it is pretty goddamn ridiculous
>OH NO THIS DOCTOR WHO EPISODE WILL HAVE A REDESIGN OF AN ICONIC ENEMY THAT APPEARS ALL THE DAMN TIME, SOMETHING I ALREADY KNEW AND THE ENTIRE INTERNET WILL BE DISCUSSING WEEKS BEFORE THE EPISODE AIRS
>SUCH A FUCKING SPOILER
>> No. 35869
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35869
>>35868
>>35865
Yeah...I'm gonna have to side with Bicker's argument here. You guys need to calm your tits. I mean, c'mon, it's pictures of Cybermen. And Gaiman's writing it. GAIMAN. Don't even pretend to know what he's gonna do with them because you can't. Besides, they've been all over the net for like a week.
>> No. 35870
>>35869
FF is being facetiously angry, he does it as a joke which I'm fairly certain Bicker knows.
>> No. 35877
>>35870
I didn't. Now I feel dumb.
>Go eat a bag of vaginas
That is a great insult amongst my people.
>> No. 35881
>>Dat Cyber Butt

I expect quality costumes of these within 3 months.
>> No. 35887
>Written by Gaiman

Thank christ, if I have to listen to one more line of Moffat's abysmal "Oh so snarky oh so witty look we're assholes isn't that clever" dialogue. . . I'd have to find and throttle him.

God, I hate Moffat.
>> No. 35897
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35897
I thought I would never get over the death of Lucie but dammit Molly is just too much fun. And snark. I like no-nonsense companions with a strong accent.

The costume change is a bit glossed over but hey, at least it's there?
>> No. 35898
>>35887

You're entitled to your opinion.
>> No. 35905
YES. YES YES YES.
Doctor Who: Christmas Special …youtube thumb
>> No. 35906
Doctor Who: The Great Detectiv…youtube thumb
>> No. 35916
So it turns out Netflix has a little collection of Classic Who! The Robots of Death, The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Ark in Space, Pyramids of Mars, The Three Doctors, and The City of Death.

I know virtually nothing of classic Who. Which of these come recommended?
>> No. 35917
>>35916
All are good; City of Death may be the ideal stand alone serial, though, because it was basically set up as that, has the turncoat from Last Crusade as it's villain, and was written by Douglas Adams.
>> No. 35918
>>35917
>written by Douglas Adams

That's All You Had To Say!youtube thumb
>> No. 35933
>>35906
uuuuuugh this writing fuck me

>>35905
this however got me very hype
>> No. 35937
>>35933
seriously that writing was terrible.
>> No. 35938
however jenna louise coleman is really kawaii and im loving her interactions with matt smith
>> No. 35939
That writing was pretty bad but admit it, you laughed at "I have declared war on the moon".

Really the whole scene reads better if you just treat it as a setup for that line.
>> No. 35940
>>35939
it's an old joke among my group of former high school friends to declare war on things that don't have people
...

so the joke is a bit stale for me, personally.
>> No. 35941
...didn't strax die?
>> No. 35942
>>35941
..........
I guess not.
>> No. 35944
>>35933
>>35937
>>35939
...there's no pleasing you guys with Doctor Who, is there?
>> No. 35945
>>35941
Strax clone as he is part of a race of Clones.
>> No. 35946
>>35941

This is a time travel series.

>>35944

There's quite a lot of pleasing me. Unfortunately the writing in that clip was...kinda crap. Maybe it'll be better in context.
>> No. 35950
>>35944
I love Moffat, femnism issues aside, and enjoyed most of the last half season. That short was okay until the Strax clone opened his mouth. Felt cheap. Has no effect on how satisfied I've been with the rest of this series. Sheesh.
>> No. 35954
Am I the only one who would love to see Colin Baker and Matt SMith have a rap battle, lin light of Pond Life #1 and that clip from I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here?
>> No. 35968
One full year until the 50th anniversary. Happy 49th.
>> No. 36062
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36062
Think we'll ever see any other Gallifreyan Time Lords. I know of a couple of types that could fit in very well as passing references to other fictional eccentrics (Caretaker and Educator/Teacher respectfully) The Caretaker especially so because her comings and going in both film and books feel very Doctor-ish. Also can't help but see them as a nifty couple.
>> No. 36099
So there are rumors that the Christmas special will see the return of the Great Intelligence. There are also further rumors stating that the season finale will tie into the 50th Anniversary as, supposedly, someone resembling Patrick Troughton as the 2nd Doctor was spotted during filming, wearing his fur coat from the Abominable Snowmen[/spoilers]. I'm skeptical of these, especially the second one, as well as [spoiler]rumors of the Ice Warriors returning, but I do hope they turn out to be true.
>> No. 36101
>>36062
Someone told me there were posters of Eleven, Ten, and Four together in the Christmas Special, but so far, this has turned out to be total bullshit.
>> No. 36121
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>>36062
I like to imagine, had they gone ahead with the Cartnell Masterplan, Drax was The Other, or the Doctor pre-Loomed. Unaware of his destiny, of course, but it's not too much of a paradox that you end up being your best friend in school.
>> No. 36158
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Well this rather cold.

You know, I think the current interior is my favorite.
>> No. 36162
>>36158
I'm not crazy about it, but it'll grow on me I guess. I love the current one's light and warmth
>> No. 36176
>>36162
Whole thing could be a one off set done to showcase how cold the doctor has become at the loss of his most recent friends. At least the lighting will likely change to a more warmer tone once he finds companionship again.
>> No. 36178
>>36162
>>36158
>>36176
"It's like a dimmer switch..."
>> No. 36181
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>>36176
I doubt they'd spend the money on a new TARDIS set for a one off. But I want to believe, I love the old bold and brass design too much to see it go.

Though I will say I still think she looked her best covered in ice and snow in Amy's Choice. Goddamn that was Scenery Porn: The Episode: TARDIS Edition.
>> No. 36208
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Second shot of new TARDIS interior.
>> No. 36209
>>36208
That feels like such a huge step back holy shit, it's so claustrophobic.
>> No. 36210
>>36208
ew very VERY retro and mechanical nowhere near as organic and fun as it was.
>> No. 36211
>>36208
I like it.
>> No. 36212
>>36208
I'll have to see it in action. But I like how the time rotor (I think it's called) looks like Eight's. And the console itself is a nice homage to the classic look.

And about time we got something different than the orange/green colour scheme.
>> No. 36215
What's the status on his screw driver anyway? they updating that?
>> No. 36216
Well, This is the first time I kinda disliked Moffat.

Steven Moffat has revealed some of the reasons behind the latest redesign of the TARDIS interior.

Speaking at last night’s screening of The Snowmen, he explained: “I thought we’d been getting progressively whimsical with the interior of the TARDIS. And I started to think, ‘Well, why is that? It’s not a magical place. It’s actually a machine.’

“And actually potentially, as you’ll see more spectacularly later, quite a scary place sometimes. We make a lot of use of that.”

No doubt referring to 2013 episode, Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS.

Moffat also hyped up the 50th anniversary promising to “take over TV” in 2013.

“[Plans] are immense, they are considerable. They will be full of tremendous surprises. But they wouldn’t be surprises if I accidentally said them now, would they?

“No, we’re not telling you. But I promise you, we’re going to take over television. Trust me,” he said, presumably while stroking a cat.

I can't believe anyone let alone and main writer could completely fail to understand the TARDIS so hard.
>> No. 36217
>>36216
Could you elaborate, please? Do you mean the emotional bond the Doctor has with the Tardis makes it harder to portray her more as a machine than, say, a home?

(Genuinely curious because I can find myself in either)
>> No. 36218
>>36217
I'm saying the TARDIS is a magical place.

As in it is powered by magic, literally.
>> No. 36221
>>36218

I actually don't agree with this at all. The TARDIS is very much a machine - an intelligent machine with an almost unlimited amount of power at its disposal, but a machine nonetheless. It's not powered by magic, it's powered by a swirling vortex of time energy. It's governed by rules of operation - albeit arcane rules meant to be performed by half a dozen individuals, so that it tends to perform erratically. In fact I'd go so far as to say that some of the dumbest writing in New Who (the end of Boom Town) has come of treating the TARDIS as magic rather than exceptionally advanced science.
>> No. 36222
>>36221
Well really advanced science is indistinguishable from magic.
>> No. 36223
>>36221
Can you explain to me how time energy is not magic?

Further more explain those rules?
>> No. 36224
>>36222
>>36223

Easy response to both: the difference is in how it is perceived and approached, and this is more significant than that makes it sound.

Magic is, definitionally, unknowable. The moment something is recognized as understandable - even if it is not yet fully understood - it ceases to be magic and becomes a new branch of science. Magic is an attempt to fathom the unfathomable (which, for all the attempting, still remains unfathomable). It is by nature a spiritual system.

Essentially, although onlookers and even companions may mistake it as such, to the Doctor the TARDIS is not sufficiently advanced technology. Hell, it's not even advanced to him, as has been pointed out repeatedly in the show a Type 40 was already a museum piece when he was young. It doesn't matter that we the viewers don't have the TARDIS instruction manual in front of us while watching, nor that the Doctor likely chucked the damn thing into the heart of a sun minutes after stealing his baby. What matters is that such an instruction manual existed.

To portray the TARDIS as actually magic invites in all sorts of nonsense spiritualism and degrades the Doctor's status as universal know-it-all. Bear in mind: 'magic' in this series is always, always cryptic alien technology, and the Doctor always knows (or quickly comes to understand) their tricks. How would you square that with him flying around in a Great Unknowable? I couldn't, and I wouldn't want to have to.
>> No. 36225
>>36224
How is the Tardis manual different from a spell book?

Come on, I know what you are getting at and I know the thematic significance behind them making it look more mechanical (Which is still stupid because they just did other sets for The Doctor's Wife that served the same purpose) but come on, saying the TARDIS is not magic is REALLY stretching it.

The Doctor loves not being able to understand things as much as he loves explaining magic away, so it's just a conflict of his natures on this I guess.
>> No. 36227
>>36208
I like that they're trying to make it look like the older TARDIS console rooms, but honestly I was never very fond of those to begin with. They're all so flat and lifeless, and I always loved the raised platforms in the modern series and all the tunnels and walkways in the newer one.
>>36216
>“And actually potentially, as you’ll see more spectacularly later, quite a scary place sometimes. We make a lot of use of that.”
>No doubt referring to 2013 episode, Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS.
Please god tell me this means we'll finally see more rooms of the TARDIS like the library and the swimming pool. Hell just seeing the wardrobe again would be nice. Anything but MOOOOOOOOORE HALLWAYS.
>> No. 36228
>>36227
ya right now me no likey, but maybe it'll grow on me, just as each doctor has. i'll give it a shot. (what choice do i have?)
>> No. 36229
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36229
>>The TARDIS is a Machine
>>The TARDIS is a Magic Machine.

You are both wrong, and forgetting something very key about the TARDIS.

SHE is a CYBORG. Remember, the majority of a Tardis is some sort of living, coral like substance. What we see are the machine bits added in to make it flyable and liveable by time lords. Do we need to rewatch "The Doctor's Wife" again?

It isn't just sentament that the Doctor humanism the TARDIS, she is a living, breathing(?) organism. That is why we get referances to her being sick, not broken. And non-funcutional Tardises(Tardi?) are corpses. New rooms are not 'built', they are grown.

Sexy isn't the USS Enterprise, nor is she Captain Hook's ship. Think more along the lines of Moya.
>> No. 36230
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>>36229
I was trying to point that out, that's one of the reasons she's magic, also better comparison in terms of how it lives is the crystal being from Atlantis but yes, exactly.
>> No. 36231
My sister and I exchanged holiday presents yesterday. I got her the TARDIS mug (the rectangular one with the lid), and she got me TARDIS Lapland Hat.

I love the TARDIS, I don't think it's possible to be a Whovian if you don't, but I wish they'd be a bit more choosy on the official merch than just sticking TARDIS'es on everything. What we got each other is nice, and I like some of the other merch (the TARDIS minifridge is nifty, and I guess the TARDIS socks are cute), but I wish there was more stuff relating to specific Doctors/Companions/episodes. I'm kind of shocked that I can find more Doctor Whooves/Time Turner stuff than I can merch with the actual Doctor on it.

There's also a very sad lack of Top Gear/Sherlock/Luther merch in the BBC America store, but that's perhaps suited better for another thread.
>> No. 36233
>>36229
I think you'd like Compassion: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Compassion

The EDA "Alien Bodies" also had one of those type 102/103 Tardises, quite interesting. Also because she'd gotten stuck into the shape of a 1960s police woman at one point
>> No. 36239
Tardis control room was a lot more fitting in motion, it's sorta like it's animated so seeing it in stills it looks more like garbage than it is.

Still a HUGE downgrade though.

Episode was cool.
>> No. 36245
>>36239
felt really Wizard in a tower with how he was isolating himself. Funny thinking that Sherlock stories inspired by another duo..can't help seeing their Moriarty as some kinda subterranean Mole Man.
>> No. 36246
>>36245
I find it fucking funny they remodel the Tardis to be "TOTALLY SUPER CEREAL AND NOT MAGIC YOU GUYS!"

Then they put it floating on a cloud with an invisible ladder and staircase.
>> No. 36248
>>36246
and "is it magic" is one of the first things she says when she gets inside. You cannot take the Whimsy out of The Doctor no matter how hard you try.
>> No. 36251
I love the new titles sequence. I'm happy that they brought the face thing back. I also love how it is a blend of old and new, just in time for the 50th year of Doctor Who's existence. It also looks like rumors of the ice warriors returning might be true afterall.
>> No. 36254
>>36251
The premise of the Submarine episode kinda dispels that being a rumor and propels it into fact.
>> No. 36255
>>36254
Very true. I just hope they don't get a horrible redesign.
>> No. 36256
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36256
>"Good evening, I'm a lizard woman from the dawn of time, and this is my wife."
It was beyond silly. Incredibly silly, but goddamn I enjoyed it. Beyond the episode itself and receiving everything in the enclosed image, Moffat pretty much made my Christmas.
>>36251
I actually spit up my drink on my new laptop and had to rewind a few times when I spotted Smith's face in the opening.
>> No. 36257
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>>36256
Also TIME VORTEX FACE NOW IN .gif FORM
>> No. 36258
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36258
~Oooh my~
>> No. 36259
>>36258
personally I'd go with either black or red strapless and lose the pearls.
>> No. 36266
The episode's plot was garbage, but that's okay because it was really just a way to introduce Clara Oswin Oswald and to give Vastra, Jenny and Strax a space in which to work. And work they did. I really like the TARDIS' new look, but then I was never a big fan of the Moffatt TARDIS - I don't mind whimsy but it was a little too much for my tastes.
>> No. 36283
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36283
Why the fuck haven't they slapped a black wig on David Troughton yet and had him appear as the Second Doctor? Honestly he looks and sounds exactly like his father and it's not like he's adverse to playing the role.
>> No. 36286
>>36283
I too want to see this happen.
>> No. 36401
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-revisted-hartnell-trailer-44754.htm
I don't have BBC America anymore, but I am still quite enthused about this. I was hoping that the BBC would do something like this for each of the Doctors and "The Aztecs" is a great story for them to choose for Hartnell's Doctor.

Speaking of which, "A Big Hand For the Doctor" was a fun little read. I had some trouble reconciling it with the show's continuity, but it was still a nice story featuring the 1st Doctor and Susan.
>> No. 36402
Ooh, Canadian Netflix has old Dr. Who but American has newer Dr. Who.
I could really get into this show.
>> No. 36483
Is it me, or despite supposedly being extinct, there are always Daleks.
>> No. 36485
>>36483
Their popularity keeps them from being killed off forever, even if it shouldn't logically be possible.
>> No. 36486
>>36483
Ever since 11's trip to WW2 the survivors managed to re-establish the race, no shortage of them now at all, but they don't know fuck all about The Doctor and he seems...to just be leaving them alone.

Which to me is more upsetting then them being used too much.

It just seems really REALLY fucked to me that The Doctor would knowingly allow the Daleks to tramp across the universe as they please.
>> No. 36489
I'm beginning to think I need to also start watching Torchwood.
>> No. 36499
>>36489
STOP THINKING THAT RIGHT NOW.

Well, okay, apparently the third series is meant to be pretty good, I wouldn't know because after forcing myself through two series some of the most appalling drama ever committed to screen out of "franchise obligation", I'll be buggered if I ever have to go through that again.

Watch Sarah Jane Adventures instead. It might be a kid's show but it's actually pretty damn fun.
>> No. 36503
>>36499
The third series IS the only good series. Five episodes of sheer, unadulterated suffering and good writing. It made Miracle Day even worse considering most were expecting something on Children of Earth's level.
>> No. 36504
>>36499
>Watch Sarah Jane Adventures instead. It might be a kid's show but it's actually pretty damn fun.

Such a shame about what happened with that. Maybe the kids could guest on Who somewhere down the road.
>> No. 36512
But see, I've already put it off too long, the alien that feeds off of orgasms just broke Jack's hand container and I don't think I'm supposed to know who's hand that is yet.
>> No. 36599
Boy does Torchwood feel like it's trying way too hard to be edgy.
>> No. 36639
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36639
So I'm actually kinda excited for the other Anniversary special. The one about the creation of the series. David Bradley playing Hartnell is pretty great, considering the whole villain left to die in the actual show, thing.
>> No. 36642
The Bells of Saint John: A Pre…youtube thumb

Aww this is cute, you are gonna make me cry harder than ever arn't you?
>> No. 36644
>>36642
What is up with him running into his companion while they're little girls lately? That and them dying...
>> No. 36645
>>36644
yeah like that time he met little girl Rory.
>> No. 36668
How about that multi-Doctor anniversary story

http://youtu.be/7A-MAp3ZsYs
>> No. 36710
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>>36504
Screw the damn kids, there's ONE thing that MUST be rescued from Sarah Jane Adventures. One. Epic. Thing.
>> No. 36712
Man, first episode in forever and no one bats an eyelash.

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8321293/Doctor_Who_2005_7x06_The_Bells_Of_Saint_John_720p_HDTV_x264-FoV_
>> No. 36717
>>36712
>snog-box
>> No. 36719
>>36717
Keen man the doctor, Wonder why GI has developed a habit of nabbing the kiddies for long game plans.
>> No. 36765
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>....with my granddaughter.
>> No. 36766
>>36765
Must keep moving lest more questions get asked. Also good show Clara.
>> No. 36773
>>36712

Some clever writing and excellent direction, but a lack of mystery. I suppose they can't all be The Impossible Astronaut, but it was still a bit disappointing.
>> No. 36776
>>36712
>docotro shows up somewhere
>something weird happens 10 minutes in
>spends the entire episode trying to figure out whats going on
>in the last 5 minutes the doctor presses a button and everything is ok again
>> No. 36785
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36785
This one is the most attractive of all the companions, for me, but I feel like she's too bubbly, too much like the doctor. It's just too much of the same thing.
>> No. 36786
>>36785
but it reminds me of me and one of my mutually sapiophile friends who get off on banter and figuring something out in clever and thoughtful ways

but the dynamic between the two is new. it's rare to have someone challenging him the same way. it's not quite the same as river song, who is brilliant in her own right. river always seems so experienced. clara is still new to this whole traveling thing. at least for now, with clara still brash and otherwise inexperienced i'm liking this lead-follow/follow-lead dynamic.
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>she's not a Daalek all the time

Moffat fucked up a chance at comedy gold and a shot at satisfying the copyright contract, all at once.

Fuck him, and fuck his dog and pony show.
>> No. 36796
If you're going to center an episode around a young girl who sings a lot you really should take the effort to find a little girl who can both act and sign reasonably well.

Which they did. So that was surprisingly nice.
>> No. 36803
>>36796
o u!
>> No. 36804
>the entire collected culture of a civilisation is just a snack compared to A FUCKING LEAF

im not sure how much more of this i can take
>> No. 36805
>>36804
behold the power of a cat in a box...which would have had the same effect on the stupid thing.
>> No. 36806
>>36804
Alternative explanation: It was so full after the former, that leaf and it's sentimental nature put it over the edge and burst its stomach.
>> No. 36808
>>36806
Though the weight she puts on it "unlived days possible yadda yadda" Put so much to it, though I still think she might be a Tardis and so trying to eat what a Tardis considers to be history would likely kill anything.
>> No. 36924
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Hey guys. Season 4 fan here, I peaced out after 5. Is the recipe for the Moffat-run episodes still

>The Doctor acts like a jerk
>"Every Star, Every Planet" plays
>The Doctor makes a speech
>Everything is fixed, there are zero consequences to anything

Well?

Have they stopped doing that yet?

Also, has the Doctor stopped being some sort of weird metaphor for pedophiles yet? I really want to start watching the show again.
>> No. 36925
>>36924
That's actually gotten worse in Moffat episodes, I suggest waiting for the Gaiman episode and any episode not written by Moffat.
>> No. 36926
Hey Clara had a nice bit closer to how a person would actually act had they seen the bookends of existence than the last handful of companions.
>> No. 36927
>>36924
That's actually gotten worse in Moffat episodes, I suggest waiting for the Gaiman episode and any episode not written by Moffat.
>> No. 36949
>>36804
That was just metaphor. With the intrinsic empathic value bestowed to the item, the perception of it being the most important leaf in all of human history, and it's attachment to the singularity that is Clara being repeated over and over and over.

Add to that the possible reveal that the sun wasn't full but poisoned by whatever strange entropy feels the need to crank out Claras like cheeseburgers.
>> No. 37011
Attack of the Supermodels! - T…youtube thumb
>> No. 37036
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>Thomas Thomas

oh fuck that.
>> No. 37050
>Hey, Toshiko and Owen aren't in The Stolen Earth, is that a casting problem or...
>Oh.
>Oh noooo.
>> No. 37055
>>36776
LAST WEEK WAS LITERALLY " A BIG FRIENDLY BUTTON"

GOD DAMMIT
>> No. 37071
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>New Neil Gaiman penned Doc Who Episode: Nightmare in Silver

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/05/doctor-whos-day-roundup-here-comes-a-nightmare-in-silver/

So we might actually get a decent Doctor Who Cybermen episode for eleven.
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>>36925

>Moffat running a show
>Moffat running anything

pic related

the man is going to singlehandedly kill the franchise by beating it to death with its own stinking corpse

>>37071

not even gaiman can stop the moffatpocalypse

that looks like a fucking good episode though

i may even watch it.
>> No. 37085
>>37071
I'm really damn excited for the next two episodes.

I still haven't watched The Crimson Horror. I love me some Vastra but that trailer looked so bland I keep forgetting it exists.
>> No. 37087
>>37085
You can skip it if you choose since nothing really happens and its really just there to bring back the question of "who is Clara"
>> No. 37090
>>37087
Yeah, I thought it was kinda fun though.

>>37076
Yeah I can't say I care for his writing much, it's a very reused structure.
>> No. 37098
>>37090
Yea but it just felt rather slowish with lots of things unexplained or rather waved due to the implied intelligence of the antagonist.
>> No. 37110
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37110
I really want to like Jenny and Vastra. And I can buy Jenny being good with a sword. "Shove the pointy bit at the other person" and all that.

But the waif-fu scene was cringeworthy.
>> No. 37112
>>37110
All she did was flip two of them and elbow one in the throat before the doctor grabbed her and they ran, it really wasn't anything egregious.
>> No. 37121
For the longest time, I thought I hated Doctor Who. Every episode I saw seemed like a big pile of poorly written, poorly characterized, wibbly wobbly timey wimey bullshit. The one that stands out in particular is "Blink." It was advertised to me as scary, and...it wasn't. Like, it established the angels as SCARY and THREATENING and DON'T BLINK OR YOU'RE DEAD, and the idea of these things that only move when you're not looking and can move so fast is SO CREEPY and it has SUCH POTENTIAL, and then it completely bent over backwards to defang them. "Oh, don't worry, they just send you back in time! Look! Everyone this happens to goes on to live a long happy life!" Also, all the female characters seemed insipid and dull. That one girl literally married the first person she met in the past after he refused to stop following her, which is damn creepy. And what was the deal with that montage of statues at the end that were clearly not angels? They just spent forty minutes showing me weeping angel after weeping angel. I know what they look like. That would be like ending Silent Hill 2 with a montage of Egyptian and South American pyramids.

Just recently I realized that I've only seen episodes written by Moffat. Do y'all think this might have something to do with it? Should I give 9 a try before I write off the whole series?
>> No. 37122
>>37121
Yes.
>> No. 37123
ALL HAIL THE EMPRA!!! That dude needs more work.
>> No. 37126
Aw man, Children of Earth is heavy.
And Netflix doesn't have Miracle Day.
>> No. 37127
Oh wait, just American doesn't have Miracle Day, Canada does.
Okay...
>> No. 37128
apparently BBC sent BBC America the release set with the finale on it already.
>> No. 37144
Dalek Relaxation Tapeyoutube thumb

I will just listen to this anytime Moffat pisses me off, to calm down.
>> No. 37145
Heh, Torchwood ends with everyone going "what"
That's so Doctor Who of them.
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37196
HA HA HA!
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37200
MOFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
>> No. 37204
>>37200
Best Version of Old Man River …youtube thumb

first thing I think of.
>> No. 37206
>>37200
So, did anyone else notice the lack of 8 in the Clara montages? If they hadn't mentioned her seeing all 11, I'd be inclined to speculate that Hurt is meant to be playing an Old Paul McGann, fresh off his decision to pull a temporal genocide.

... But I still think he's meant to be an updated version of the Valeyard.

>> No. 37207
>>37206
His outfit is 8's with 9's jacket
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37208
>>37206
We do see Eight very briefly, he runs past her towards the end of the episode when she's in the mist.
>>37207
It's not exactly the same, but it does look incredibly similar to his newer costume. I would pay ten trillion diamonds to Moffat if he turns out to be an old Eight, especially if McGann gets to actually make an appearance.
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>>37206
>> No. 37275
Man, I hate it when Dr. Who is actually good. It just keeps me tolerating the long stretches of bad between.
>> No. 37284
am i the only one here who actually likes the moffat era as a whole?
he misses the mark a lot but i love what he's trying to do
...

unless he throws in a missing "doctor" between 8 and 9 with this john hurt business, which is really bullshit considering they already have a fucked up evil doctor thing with the Valeyard... that lawyer as fuck mother fucker.
>> No. 37294
http://www.rifftrax.com/vod/dr-who-and-daleks
>> No. 37416
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>>37284

I respect your decision to enjoy it but I think Moffy has effectively turned the show into something it was never meant to be. It's very flashy now, very focused on being "clever" and all the pro-human, romanticism aspects are completely gone. Granted, it's now a very profitable franchise, but I think the show has lost its heart and I really don't think it's ever going to get it back, even after Stephen leaves.

Oh well.
>> No. 37419
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/official-matt-smith-is-leaving-doctor-who-50162.htm
Welp, it was only a matter of time.
>> No. 37420
I like the theory that Hurt is gonna be the Doctor before 1, in other words the Doctor before he took the name of the Doctor.

So, bets on the next actor begin now?
>> No. 37421
>>37419
I am okay with seeing him go as well.

Pretty interested in 12.
>> No. 37463
>>37420
Word is Wheaton knows who 12th Doctor will be. Bit too much crap going around from that "Doctor Who is Racist" article to get a good read on the next bunch of candidates other than the group pushing for a black doctor. Personally for that I'd want Mos Def going in that direction but zero chance in hell them being cultural as well as color blind.
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