I really just did not like Alfred's part at all. He just didn't seem to be adding much to the narrative and then he just disappears. I didn't find it moving or anything when he teared up at the gravesite; he just wasn't selling it.

>>34557
Oh, we had some guys who burst into obnoxious laughter whenever he said anything.
It was kind of annoying.

There are only three things that bothered me about this movie and they are all real nitpicky.

> Why was Batman walking with a cane in the beginning, and then with the help of a leg brace, but he didn't need it later on in the Pit?
> How did Batman survive the blast?
> Why was the Joker never mentioned?

The Joker can't appear as a cameo for obvious reasons but the absence just struck me for some reason. Nobody so much as gave a nod to his attack on the city or his fate, not even when they were talking about Harvey Dent. I'll just assume he was executed sometime in the 8 year skip and nobody wants to bring him back up, but yeah.

Also I really do want to know if there was anything that would allow Batman to survive a nuclear bomb? I thought the ending was really good even if it is kind of an asspull for him to still be alive I guess (but honestly I don't think it would have been as good if he HAD died for reals) but like. How did he do it? Are there any hints in previous scenes about the Bat? I just feel like I've missed something...

>>34569
If he'd dropped the core and gotten some serious elevation in a hurry and accelerated away at like a 90° angle he could've escaped the overpressure and the heat and radiation as well as the guys in the B-29s that dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki did.

>>34568

Oh shit, did you go see the 9:30pm show at the Sherman Oaks Arclight last night? If so, that was me and I apologize if I ruined your movie watching experience. To be fair, I was trying really hard to stifle it, but Bane's voice was too goofy for me.

>>34569
the autopilot was working after Bruce got to work programming it. the patch was done 6 months before the finale.

he probably pulled an escape artist trick some time before or during the building explosion his bat plane set off where he could escape without anyone noticing.

basically, that wasn't too hard to explain.

the leg on the other hand... cartilage doesn't just grow back. i doubt they left him with the mechanical leg brace.

>>34543
But you're not dennnnnyyyyinnnnng ittttt

>>34571
You live close to me. Watch your fucking back chump. One day, POW, TMC in your face.

fuck you guys who don't like bane's adorable gypsy voice
he's like a big gentle snuggly thug
i've been talking like him for days
it's great

>>34574

Oh yeah, you live in the San Fernando Valley too?

WHY DID THE ENTIRE POLICE FORCE GO INTO THE SEWER?
WHY DID BANE'S TROOPS FEED THE POLICE INSTEAD OF OFFING THEM?
WHY DID NOBODY NOTICE ONE OF THE HUNDREDS OF BOMBS PLACED THROUGHOUT THE CITY?
WHY DID CLEAN UP CREWS NOT NOTICE AN ENTIRE LEGION OF TERRORISTS SET UP SHOP IN THE SEWERS RIGHT BENEATH WAYNE FUCKING ENTERPRISES?
WHY DID BATMAN NOT USE THAT SUPER-POWERFUL KICK HE DEMONSTRATED FOR ALL OF 2 SECONDS AGAINST BANE?
WHY DOES "ROBIN" HAVE MORE SCREEN TIME THAN BATMAN HIMSELF?
WHY IS BANE DOING WHAT HE'S DOING? WHAT'S THE POINT?
WHY DOES NOBODY RECOGNIZE BRUCE WAYNE'S FACE AT THE END?
WHY IS BRUCE GIVING UP BATMAN BECAUSE OF THE DEATH OF RACHEL EVEN WHEN HIS PARENTS DYING DROVE HIM TO BECOME BATMAN IN THE FIRST PLACE?

>>34577
I'll do my best.

WHY DID THE ENTIRE POLICE FORCE GO INTO THE SEWER?

Because it was clear he had a large terrorist force stationed there. Though, obviously, it was a trap. The police acted rashly out of fear. It happens.

WHY DID BANE'S TROOPS FEED THE POLICE INSTEAD OF OFFING THEM?

It had to do with his "give them hope before you kill them, torture their soul" thing. They did a good job of keeping them in there (until Batman showed up)

WHY DID NOBODY NOTICE ONE OF THE HUNDREDS OF BOMBS PLACED THROUGHOUT THE CITY?

The explosives were somehow mixed in building materials and cement. Blake makes this part clear. Plus, they used Dagget's digging permits to mask their activity (when the cops figured this out, it was too late AND a trap, so, fuck).

WHY DID CLEAN UP CREWS NOT NOTICE AN ENTIRE LEGION OF TERRORISTS SET UP SHOP IN THE SEWERS RIGHT BENEATH WAYNE FUCKING ENTERPRISES?

I'm not sure exactly who you are talking about, but it is safe to assume everyone underground was with Bane, or too poor and hungry to refuse the work he offered and ask questions.

WHY DID BATMAN NOT USE THAT SUPER-POWERFUL KICK HE DEMONSTRATED FOR ALL OF 2 SECONDS AGAINST BANE?

Maybe he tried. It's hard to tell. I don't think he lost on purpose. They did a good job of showing Bane totally dismantle Batman in their first fight.

WHY DOES "ROBIN" HAVE MORE SCREEN TIME THAN BATMAN HIMSELF?

He doesn't. Bruce has a really good character arc this time (more so than the Dark Knight). He's just out of costume for most of it. Does it bother you that he's not dressed up the whole time? It shouldn't. Because he's definitely Batman the whole time. This seems childish to argue.

WHY IS BANE DOING WHAT HE'S DOING? WHAT'S THE POINT?

Really? He has two important motivators. League of Shadows motivation (Gotham is a plight, must be removed, etc.) AND Talia's revenge against Batman. I thought they made this almost too clear. "MY FATHER'S WILL BE DONE" and so on.

WHY DOES NOBODY RECOGNIZE BRUCE WAYNE'S FACE AT THE END?

The clean slate program would have helped, they mentioned that multiple times in Batman's possession. Though he might be recognizable. Still, didn't stop him from being unnoticed in Batman Begins during his 7 year exodus. RAS AL GHUL found him, but that is fucking RAS.

WHY IS BRUCE GIVING UP BATMAN BECAUSE OF THE DEATH OF RACHEL EVEN WHEN HIS PARENTS DYING DROVE HIM TO BECOME BATMAN IN THE FIRST PLACE?

That is not why he gave up Batman. He never wanted to be Batman forever. Just until Gotham could take care of itself. For a while, Harvey's memory help the city turn around -- but that was based on a lie. Eventually, Batman's sacrifice seems to have the city back on track.

>>34578

Those other points didn't bother me so much (Even Bruce not being in the suit very much) but it still irks me that they sent, like, 90% of the Police Force into the sewers because, mainly, when shit like that happens, homeland security/the FBI/the army/the national guard are supposed to be involved, not just the cops.

Then again, there wouldn't be a third act (or is it second, I'm not sure) without it.

>>34578
thank you for writing this up. i'm still baffled that people wouldn't understand this. the movie wasn't a david lynch film. they spelled everything out.

Spoilers: the movie was fucking stupid.

Two things I didn't like about the movie:

The Stock Market scene. When Bane and his men escape, there is daylight and doesn't even look like it's near dawn. Then, after they leave the tunnel, it's the middle of the night. And we know it's only seven minutes later since there was a timer and everything. Sounds like an honest fuck-up by Nolan.


Also, when Batman's army faced Bane's army, damm, the scene was lacking the level of polish seen in the rest of the film. The extras in the background were noticeably not fighting but very awkwardly... not even sure how to define it, dancing? There is a moment where Bane and Bats are at it, and behind them are a cop and a mer quite obviously repeting again and again the same moves.

http://4thletter.net/2012/07/dark-knight-rises-and-the-cumulative-villain/

>>34528
>underwhelmed
That's the word I had in mind throughout the movie. Concerning most everything, photography comes to mind. The end was what I liked the most, and that's just seeing as the end of a completed retelling of the character.

I think we can unsticky/unhide this now. At this point, all that's left to do is to either COMPLAIN or PRAISE.

Btw, people who don't like this movie are borderline autistic. Just sayin.

Wow. I'm surprised that so many people were surprised at the Talia twist. The moment Bruce shows her the generator thing I knew what was going on. Only part that surprised me was that she was the kid who escaped.

That being said, the whole police force going into the sewers was really fucking dumb.

Great review of the movie right here.

http://dorkmanscott.wordpress.com/2012/08/02/movie-review-the-dark-knight-rises/

>>34715
Pretty good.

>>34730
how does he eat/drink?

>>34680
if they said 2/3 of the forces with the others being hunted down and killed or captured by the league, i'd have believed that more readily. it would have been a matter of freeing both kinds of captive cops and attacking on two fronts instead of one silly wall street "dancing in the streets", that could have been good.

basically anything involving large numbers of cops turned out poorly.

Things I just didn't like
* "Batman has not been seen in 8 years. And we completely cleaned up Gotham without him."
* Robin being "John Blake". Dude, what? You couldn't even have the reveal of his real name be Richard Grayson or something?
* Class warfare plot goes nowhere
* "Mr. Wayne, you have no cartilage." "But, like... I can just use this machine here instead of cartilage, right?" "...No."
* "Hi, Alfred here! Mr. Wayne, I know an ABSURD amount about Bane and the League of Shadows. I'm probably his penpal or something. Speaking of letters, I lied to you about whatherface. Well, that's it from me, bye everyone! Enjoy the movie!"
* Bane not being hispanic.
* "Mr. Wayne, your father left us with a lot of military contracts, and I've been hiding away the tech. Here's the car from the Jetsons. It comes in black! It does not come in non-ridiculous."
* "John" Daggett? Why not "Roland" Daggett? Why go halfway? Sigh.
* "People of Gotham! It turns out Harvey Dent wasn't so great! So I'm going to let everyone out of prison, and we're going to pretend this is somehow me falsely making you think I'm giving Gotham back to the poor people, or something."
* Batman "dies" and retires at the end.

>>34738
They combined characteristics of all the first three robins into John Blake. That's why they didn't name him Tim or Dick.

>>34739
>They combined traits of Henri Ducard and Ra's al Ghul, that's why they didn't call him Henri Ducard or Ra's al Ghul

Nope, that's still bullshit.

>>34742
Okay. We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I personally liked the nod to him being "Robin" in the most literal sense, embodying the character, not the individuals who took up the mantle.

>>34739
>combined the first three Robins
The only trait he has from Jason or Tim is "being an orphan," and Tim wasn't even meant to be an orphan until they fucked him up.

Cop? That's Dick.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=64971

There are those that want to see Batman work himself to death, literally, or have him become a bitter old man all alone like in DKR and Batman Beyond. I'm not one of them, but the "happy retirement" ending didn't please me, because Batman Begins took place just a few months after The Dark Knight, and then he apparently did nothing for almost a decade until Dark Knight Rises came out. Meaning he did almost nothing beyond what we see in the three movies.

Batman can have a happy retirement, he's more than earned it, but c'mon he has to do more than just that!

>>34745

About half the things on here are, in my opinion, on the ball, but the other half just seems really nit-picky and it seems like he's foregoing using his imagination to bridge the gap.

Like Bane saying he didn't see sunlight until he was a man isn't true int he sense that, biologically, he was a man when he was sent to the prison, but he could be referring to how he wasn't a very good person until after he saved Talia and Ra's liberated him.

was i the only one slightly annoyed when they started doing aerial shots and basicly threw the ambiguity out the window and went "yep, Gotham is New York"?

>>34762
Yes, you were the only one annoyed by that.

Congrats!

Obama's a big fan of Catwoman.

>President Obama turned film reviewer during a fundraiser last night with the Hollywood set, singling out host Anne Hathaway -- Catwoman in the new Batman film, The Dark Knight Rises.

>"She's spectacular," Obama said at the Connecticut home of film producer Harvey Weinstein.

>"And I did get a chance to see Batman," he added, "and she was the best thing in it -- that's just my personal opinion."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-catwoman-is-the-best-thing-in-the-new-batman/1#.UCE_HqAYia4

>>34765
Yeah Obama, dem panoramic shots of her on the bike from behind caught me off-guard, too.

>>34762
Only New York I can recgnize is the one from 2 decades-old movies, so... can't say I share the feeling.

>>34749
i believe with no particular reason to believe it with all the evidence they give in the third film that batman spent some time after the death of harvey still running around as batman, ensuring that the criminals harvey wanted to put behind bars stayed there.

but...

you know...

that's not what's in the movies, is it?

Just saw it with my mom; the theater I went to actually starts the movie at the time specified, so I missed the first five minutes but I don't think it was anything super important. I walked in with them pretending to shoot some captured guys before Bane talks.

After the movie, my mom said she only saw it because I wanted to and never would have seen it on her own, but turns out she absolutely loved the movie (and she's never been the type to be into action/comics kind of stuff, though she doesn't hate them.)

All in all, knowing only a bit more than your Average Joe about Batman:
-Bane's voice was incredibly hard to understand at times but could be very theatrical at others
-Sending all the cops at once was stupid
-I was really hoping when the lady at the end said "You should use your legal name..." she would then say "...Grayson."
-lol long range heatseaking missiles.
-While I know that Catwoman is supposed to be all about teh sex, the steel (titanium?) stiletto heels just seemed silly to me
-Everything else about Anne in the suit was hot. Looked better with the mask on, though.
-The whole "I don't need a mechanical leg brace anymore" at the pit just seemed stupid. I imagine he had a spare he grabbed when he got back, but we should have at least seen some wincing as he walks away from it.
-I don't understand why the Batplane had such a hard time lifting the reactor; if we're going to sci-fi shit like that, go all the way. Double angled props for extreme radius turn with chaff and hover capabilities but can't lift what is likely one ton?

Nitpicks aside, I greatly enjoyed the film, and seeing things like Crane as the judge just added icing too it. Right now I feel that The Dark Knight was better, but I don't want to cement that until I've seen each a few times.

>>34770
I greatly enjoyed those shots, myself.

Someone made a interquel fanfilm featuring Riddler and Ventriloquist

Batman: Puppet Master

>>34858
I gotta check it out sometime. The beginning looks alright.

>>34858
Man I like the setup for Riddler and would have liked to see that as a villain in the third movie. Operating as a vigilante to unmask the truth no matter the cost both for Harvey Dent's legacy and through that the identity of Batman.

>>34848
>the theater I went to actually starts the movie at the time specified
There are still theaters that do that? That's crazy.

>>35036
I know! We got there five minutes late, thought we still had five minutes of previews, walked in and they were already ripping the wings off of the plane.

The overthinkers have a point; The Dark Knight had an underlying theme of people aren't total jerks, where the Dark Knight Rises seems to show the exact opposite point.
I will be interested to see any deleted scenes.
There wasn't enough of how people felt about the whole thing besides Catwoman being all this isn't that great.

I think it's time to unsticky this thread guys. Let's not forget.

>>35452
I think we should wait for the home release, so we can talk about deleted scenes.

BANE OUTTAKES (Auralnauts extended edition)

no one will see this post but i don't care because this is amazing

It was okay, I guess? Not a whole lot of Batman in a Batman movie. I think I agree with most of the bullet points in this.
Honest Trailers - The Dark Knight Rises

>>36085
Somebody come find me when I can buy the Bane song on Amazon.

>>36085
>>36095
Well this thread just paid off I guess.

>>36095
There's always this.
BATMAN VS THE JOKER *RAP BATTLE*