>>37536
i think that given she's still a child, she's incredibly clever and strong in her own ways. she's coy and knows how to survive while in her position and is still learning how to become even more of a political player.

she can be annoying, but i don't think she's dumb.

>>37521
Can't say I'm all that upset about it considering just how shitty and character-assassinating the Robb/Talisa storyline was. I wouldn't mind B&W changing things if they didn't just do it for no real reason only to have it end up being terrible or form a plot hole treadmill like Loras being the only Tyrell son. Making Selys an abusive psycho was another absolutely facepalm-worthy idea.

>S1 final scene: cant even remember
>S2 final scene: an army of undead marching on the wall
>S3 final scene: white feminist jesus

>>37571
>Making Selys an abusive psycho was another absolutely facepalm-worthy idea.
what

>>37584
>S1 final scene: cant even remember
Dragons, man. It was dragons.

>>37591
how did i forget that

>>37605
Because it was pretty similar to season 3 if you take away the fact that there were no dragons before.

is it wrong that i got completely hyped just by this guys presence in the crowd?

it was just a reminder that Wyman the Pieman is coming, bitches

>>37613
They had Bran telling the story of the Rat Cook after all. So I'm thinking it's on.

SHAE YOU DUMB BITCH I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU TURNED SPIDER DOWN YOU ARE SO DEAD

>>37669

Tiki, calm yourself.

It's not worth being upset over.

Also, I was somewhat disappointing that we didn't get to see Joffery fucking choke. That kid that plays Joff is great; he's really fucking hateable.

Danny is still pretty insufferable, and that scene where everyone calls her mother didn't seem as awful in the book, but man was it terrible.

I really wish GRRM would stop teasing us and let Danny die.

But that's not going to happen.

>>37689
I'm just upset how much they cut out of Stannis' dialogue/storyline. I mean, the guy's one of the most important characters in the book, and Stephen Dillane is a good actor, but the way they write him...

They better not screw up his character next season. Especially THAT moment in the story.

>>37689
>I really wish GRRM would stop teasing us and let Danny die.

But she's the Prince who was Promised, Aegon said so! If she dies, who will MacGuffin the Others back into their frozen wastelands? Hodor? Do you really think Hodor is going to save the world?

>>37709

He IS the hero they deserve.

>>37709

Well, Jon Snow is Azor Ahai.

Otherwise, I'm down for Hodor saving everyone.

OH MY GOD YES I'LL TAKE HODOR END

hodor no more hodoring

>>37709
I don't want her to die yet because there's a remote chance of her being interesting again, but I really hope she's a red herring for the Iron Throne. She's lived long past her Stupidity Due Date™ while far better characters have died for much more minor mistakes. Even Sansa would probably make a better Queen than she does especially now that she's learned how to be not retarded. It's not like Dany knows jack shit about the people of Westeros and how to rule them properly anyway.

All she's good for IMO is spearheading the fight against the White Walkers with her dragons. Maybe she can use her experience to start a new Valyria of her own (and maybe fuck a few Blackfyres into helping her), but she doesn't deserve any stake in Westeros. Even Jon is too good to waste his seed on her at this point.

Westeros as a nation probably won't exist at the end of the series. Dany is too incompetent to rule over it, and without the deterrent power of dragons, nothing can keep the kingdoms in line.

>Who is the Azor Ahai?

THE DRAGON HAS THREE HEADS MOTHERFUCKER.

>DANY
>JON
>JAIME LANNISTER

>>37732
I'm hoping the fan theories that Tyrion is really Aerys's son turn out to be bullshit. It would defeat the whole point of the parallels between him and his father, as well as his interactions with the rest of his family.

>>37737
How can there be fan theories when this is based off an already existing and easily accessible book series?

>>37742
There are still at least two more books coming, though he'll probably die before finishing the last one.

I think Dany would be a decent queen with some age and experience behind her. She's on the right track but at the end of the day she's simply a stubborn idealistic teen playing with a bit more than she can really handle. I think she's done okay so far, considering how badly things could have/can go wrong.

>>37695
TV Stannis has this vague air of uselessness about him that book Stannis definitely didn't have. I can't quite put my finger on it.

>>37732
>choosing a Lannister when there's already three legit dragonborn

I'm wading through Storm of Swords, but here's my Clash of Kings thoughts reposted from elsewhere.

>Still think the show is a massive improvement in some ways (Cersei being far more interesting is the big one for me), but the book has some actual ground to stand on now, and it's becoming more obvious how much material in the show is pulled from later books/made the fuck up. Like, Robb basically does not appear in the book at all after he and Cat talk about Theon and Renly, and Jaime only gets one scene. I knew Talisa was almost totally made up, but holy shit.

>The Shae/Tyrion stuff is outright better in the show than in the book, mostly because while Shae is hardly great in the show, she is utterly unbearable in the book. Also Bronn is more amusing in the show when he and Tyrion are doing the fantasy buddy cop thing whereas in the book Tyrion's constantly suspicious of him.

>Who the fuck is Strong Belwas and why is Barristan pretending to not be Barristan even though it's totally obvious that's who it is? The Qarth stuff was pretty different in general, aside from the Funhouse which still didn't have that big Drogo sequence from the show. I guess you can't make an entire season of a TV show which basically amounts to "this major character sat around feeding her people for awhile, met some weird magicians, then left." ~holding pattern~ as fuck.

>The Arya stuff is where things get murky, because there's things I like better about that in both versions. I like that in the show she doesn't just blow TWO deaths like she does in the book, the second one in the show is an act of dire need (also that Jaquen eyeroll is great). I also think the choice to make her Tywin's cupholder in the show was smart, but that could just be because I think any decision that gives Dance more screentime is a good one. On the other hand the book has her totally fucking end that dude to orchestrate their getaway which was pretty cool too. Mixed bag.

>I have no idea what people are talking about with Jon, that character is exactly the same in both versions. If he seems whinier in the show then either S3 is the point of divergence on that or you just don't realize how whiny he can be until there's a face and sound to go with some of these lines. Either way he does his job and offs Halfhand.

>>37750
>Aegon
>legit and not a Blackfyre or Dayne
laughing_Ros.gif

>>37751
Cersei oly became interesting in the books once she got her point of view-chapters.

>>37752

He may (probably) be a Blackfyre, but the Blackfyres are still of the Dragon.

The Black Dragon..

>>37768
But Drogon is Dany's dragon.

I've completely pass the show content in Storm of Swords.

Wow, things really are just going horribly for absolutely everyone except Team Dany and Littlefinger.

It's awesome.

>>37751
>Who the fuck is Strong Belwas
A fucking badass dude sent to give Danaeris some competent bodyguards.

>why is Barristan pretending to not be Barristan even though it's totally obvious that's who it is?
Because her dad Aerys was completely fucking nuts and he wanted to make sure he wasn't throwing in his lot with someone as bad or worse than Joffrey.

Storm of Sword's Ending impressions:
>Tyrion
Ahahahahaha
>Arya
Man, I'm sure this is going to be cool and all, but to seems to me that where she's bound, it's all the more certain nobody will ever know of her. Also she just left the Hound there under a tree, so I have to wonder what his role will be, if anything.
>Jon
Stannis breaks Mance's host and steals the Wall, Sam steals the Lord Commander's seat for Jon, and Melisandre wants to burn all the heart trees. This shit's going to get pretty crazy. I can't say I have any real idea where this will go next, save for the fact I already vaguely know what happens to him at the end of Dance of Dragons.
>Sansa
LITTLEFINGER IS AN AMAZING MAN though I'm not sure if this is really much of an upgrade from Joffery in terms of her welfare
>Dany
This part of the story is actually starting to bore me.
>Epilogue
FFFFFFFFFF

>>37788
>This part of the story is actually starting to bore me.

Well, you've got two more books of it. Dany's storyline becomes more an impetus for other people to do shit than something interesting in it's own right once she starts on the whole Ghiscari storyline.

Okay, that's Feast For Crows:

Arya: I guess the kindly man punished her for acting on her own? Fuck, I can't believe that's the note GRRM left us on.
Sam: LOOK OUT FAT BOY, JAQEN'S GONNA GET YOU... maybe. We don't know who could possibly be employing Jaqen to disguise himself as a Maester, assuming anyone's doing that at all. Really we don't even know how Jaqen ended up in the black cells in the first place.
Brienne: FUCK YOU CAT YOU ARE EVEN WORSE THAN BEFORE, though I can't imagine she and Pod are actually dead because then this entire plot was meaningless.
Circe: hahahaha
Jaime: So at this point I'm juggling between him and the still very specifically alive Loras for being the Valenquar, leaning on the latter. Sure he's maimed, but he's actually in the city, and Jaime has no plans on showing up. I guess it could also refer to Kevan since he benefits from all this but he doesn't seem the type and the High Septon's just running on his own.
Sansa: lalala adventures in Littlefingerland, nothing really interesting
Iron Islands: oh boy the Ironborn AND the Ghiscari, this won't cause an idiocy chain reaction or anything
Dorne: FOR THE PRINCE WHO WAS SLAIN, FOR THE QUEEN WHO SHALL REIGN! UNBOWED, UNBENT, UNBROKEN!

>>37846
>1 book and 3 novellas away from the eternal Christmas-eve.

https://twitter.com/IceAndFireBabie

Aaaaaaaaand that's Dance with Dragons.


-Stannis isn't dead, deaths offscreen aren't deaths to be trusted.
-On a related note, Robert Strong is probably Mountainstein, which makes Qyburn a straight up necromancer. I would also accept his being Robertstein but this is unlikely.
-We can probably say goodbye to Jon the man, but we can say hell to Ghost John, who is a lot like the Punisher except he's a giant wolf.
-Arya will probably continue to not affect the plot no matter how badly we want her to.
-Martin says we'll see some Lands of Always Winter. BENJEN STARK POV CHAPTERS, YOU WILL ALL SEE.
-Wyman is going to continue piling some bodies up if he's not a body himself.
-Roose is probably dead if Ramsay is sending letters in his name, which means it's time for Ramsay to completely unravel all of Roose's carefully laid plans.
-Aegon, John, and Dorne are going to rampage around the Stormlands.
-I don't even fucking know what's going to happen with the King's Landing council. Without Pycelle and Kevan, and with Cersei probably going to pass her trial, the Tyrells and the Lannisters (what's left of them) are going to rip the city apart.
-Meanwhile, Euron and company will rampage around the Reach.
-I still can't imagine what Jaqen is doing in Oldtown, but it's probably bad news for Sam and co.
-Similarly, I don't know what the fuck to say about Varys and his children of the corn.
-Slaver's Bay is going to turn into a total shitstorm, and the only one who's going to REALLY enjoy it is Tyrion.
-Dany and Drogo are going to burn down the Dothraki Sea.
-Davos, Rickon, Shaggydog, and Osha in: Stranded in Skagos
-John switched the horns for Melisandre to burn, but both horns were fake according to Tormund, and I can't think of a reason for him to lie about that. So I'm going to say the Walkers have it and the Wall is coming down.
-Bran will continue to not be interesting.

>>37911
I think Gurm said there would be no new POVs after Feast.

>>37911
Of course Robert Strong is Pycelstein's Mountain Monster. Also, Euron Greyjoy has the horn. He even shows it off.

>>37923
Different horn. You're thinking of dragonhorn from Valyria, which is actually in Victarion's possession now. I'm talking about the Horn of Joramund, which is supposed to break the Wall.

>>37911
> straight up necromancer

Not the first one you've by that point in the series, though.

And on your commment about Ramsey- That bit always felt a bit bullshitty to me, but we need to wait for the next book to see how much so.

>>37924
I thought the horn of Joramund was the one found in the stash of dragon glass and Sam still has it with him.

>>37911
>Jon
Alternatively he was just knocked unconscious and badly wounded but not dead, or someone stopped the last guy. It's possible he's going to come back in a different form for the next book but I honestly think he's still alive as he is.

>>37942
Didn't Marsh slit his throat though?

>>37959
IRC, he just stabbed him.

>>37942
shit if only there was a priestess who wants his dick and serves a god that resurects people from worse wounds somewhere in castle black

also the fact that Jaime is the youngest of the twins and is getting tired of cerseis shit puts a whole new spin on the valonquar thing. but it did say "hands" around her neck after all

>>38060
Jaime is certainly a contender, but I think it's going to be Loras. The prophecy doesn't specifically say "her" younger brother if I remember right, and I can't think of another reason to leave Loras so very specifically alive rather than just killing him at Dragonstone.

So I just powered through season 3 today.

I want all the Frey's to burn.
Tywin is a really really nice guy. Loras' grandmother is awesome.
Ramsey looks like he's five seconds away from raping Tyrone at all times. Being Arya is suffering. I can't wait for the next season.

>>38229
>Tyrone

No no, Tyrone is the bald guy (see: >>36954).

>>38061
do we hear whats happened to him from anyone other than cersei? she could be exagerating or making shit up