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30900 No. 30900
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/thehobbit/
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>> No. 30905
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>>30900
Cannot unsee for some reason.
>> No. 30907
I think Ian McKellen prefers playing Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White.
>> No. 30908
>>30907
Well Grey is more adventitious and action while White is...subdued. And Grey doesn't need a comb either. End of shooting that day he just lights up and camps out in whatever hillock he finds himself in.
>> No. 30909
>Benedict Cumberbatch voices Smaug and the Necromancer
>Stephen Fry appearing at all
>Ian Fucking McKellen
>Martin Freeman as Bilbo
YES. YESYESYESYESYES. I'm so excited for this and I didn't even like The Lord of the Rings.
>> No. 30910
Let me guess.. Sean Connery was offered and rejected a role, AGAIN, cause he "does not understand".
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>>30905
>> No. 30912
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>>30910

Srsly, wtf! The man was in Zardoz! ZARDOZ! How is the comprehensibility of a film an impediment to him?

We can't let his last role be Alan Quartermaine in that shitty LXG movie, we can't!
>> No. 30913
>>30912
God was that really the last movie he's been in? I mean, really? We can't even count that cameo image of him in Indy 4, which is still bad...
>> No. 30915
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>>30912
Actually his last "appearence" is Sir Billi.
Why, why, why...
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>>30912
>>30915
>> No. 30920
A couple. onths ago I finally read and finished The Hobbit. I didn't realize how much singing took place! But hearing Thorin and company sing in the trailer, I became ten different kinds of excited.

WTF was with the looks shared between Galadriel and Gandalf? I get and understand the LotR framing they are using to tell The Hobbit. But I'm not quite understanding why these two would ever be alone together.
>> No. 30926
>>30915
I've heard that many of the celebs that get roped into doing this crap only get to see clips that are done with a higher budget and never know that the thing is actually a low budget POS till its too late.
>> No. 30930
>>30926
I heard Sean read the script for Indy 4 and rejected it.
Aww c'mon, why did they have to kill him off after 3? I mean, it wouldn't have hurt AT ALL to have him attend his grandson's wedding.
>> No. 30931
Borrowed a copy of the book from a friend because I haven't actually read it before. Already finding it much easier to get into than Fellowship of the Ring, which I started in sixth grade, got sixy pages in, put down, and never touched again.
>> No. 30932
>>30931
>Already finding it much easier to get into than Fellowship of the Ring
That's because Tolkien wrote it for children.
>> No. 30933
>>30931
Yea Hobbit is a bit easier since its the story of one dude that gets way in over his head during a trip....heh Dude way in over his head.
>> No. 30934
>>30932
I know. I feel no shame in enjoying a children's book more than one of the blandest things I've ever read.

That said, sixth grade was seven years ago. I might have to give Fellowship another chance soon.
>> No. 30935
>>30934
No, you're pretty much right. Lord of the Rings, like much of the copycat literature that followed, was focused on world-building and complexity of plot to the detriment of its characterization, and that makes for dry reading. There's a reason the bulk of Tolkien-style fantasy literature is seen as exclusively for nerds, and it's that most people just don't find that sort of thing entertaining.

The Hobbit was very much a personal tale about one Hobbit's journey and how he learns about himself in the process, which immediately makes it more relatable. It uses the tropes of the fantasy genre as seasoning for a much more focused story than Lord of the Rings could ever hope to be. And it's more light-hearted, too, which really makes it a lot easier to swallow than how dreadfully seriously Lord of the Rings takes itself.

And yeah, the fact that it's aimed at a younger audience is usually a positive sign in my experience.
>> No. 30938
So excited about this. Were do you guys think they'll end the first movie? I'm guessing somwere after misty monuntains, but before they're out of mirkwood.
>> No. 30941
>>30935
blah blah blah blah
>> No. 30944
>>30935
I agree with most of what you said even though I strongly loves me some LotR. But the characterization in LotR is worlds above what little there is in The Hobbit.
>> No. 30945
>>30938
From what i've heard, the first movie will end at Rivertown/the base of the mountain, and the second film will begin at that point, encompassing Smaug, the Battle Of Five Armies, the end, and then new stuff bridging The Hobbit and The Lord Of The Rings.
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>>30941
>> No. 30951
>>30935

The problem with LoTR was that A) Tolkien needed an editor on the first book (seriously compare the width of Fellowship with Two Towers/Return of the King) and B) He was ultimately more interested in building his own mythology that he felt could be more "english" in origin. Cause King Arthur was primarily inspired by French myths and such. Which of course says NOTHING of the fact he took a lot of his inspiration from Norse Mythology. So what, French inspiration = TERRIBLE but Norse inspiration = AWESOME?

The Lord of the Rings/Silmarilon was meant to construct a mythology instead of tell a simple or concise story. He defiantly improved once he did Two Towers/Return of the King but MY GOD did somebody need to slap his wrist while he was writing Fellowship of the Ring and tell him to stop typing nonsense about scenery and get to the actual meat of the fucking story.
>> No. 30952
>French inspiration = TERRIBLE but Norse inspiration = AWESOME?
Uh, yes actually.
>> No. 30953
>>30951
Sometimes... I'm really happy there weren't really "rules" set on fiction writing back in Tolkien's days at Oxford. For modern readers Fellowship might sometimes be seen as a slog. But in the end the universe building Tolkien did has driven and guided untold numbers of fantasy worlds created after him.

I have yet to hear a voice sample of Cumberbatch as Smaug/Necromancer. Does it exist?
>> No. 30958
>>30951
He was always more of a scholar than an author. And I respect him for that.

Also a lot of it was designed to mimic antiquated styles of storytelling and whatnot. Long-winded descriptions of minute details used to be all the rage.
>> No. 30959
>>30953
>But in the end the universe building Tolkien did has driven and guided untold numbers of fantasy worlds created after him.

And as much as I've enjoyed the results, sometimes I feel like too much fantasy is chained to the standards he set. This is a genre where everything should be possible! People should try to emulate his creative drive, not just the results of it.

Sorry I've just been sitting on that opinion for a while.
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>Richard Armitage's singing
>> No. 30961
>>30952
Bitch I will cut you.
>> No. 30963
>>30959
Nice, I failed to realize my last few posts have been name-less. Anyway.

No need to apologize for your opinion, nor should you feel like it's something to have "sat on" for some time. There is a balance, and at times it is clear that too many people are happy to leave fantasy genre well within Tolkien definitions, rather than challenge fantasy with their own imaginings. (Maybe this is why I'm latching on to Gunnerkrigg so well lately?)
>> No. 30966
>>30961
France sucks.
>> No. 30967
>>30966
Omelette du fromage
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70s Smaug will always be the best Smaug.
>> No. 30973
>>30971
Benedict Cumberbatch is voicing him in this. The odds are not in 70's Smaug's favor.
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>>30973
They rarely are.

70's Gollum on the other hand was way more intimidating than Andy Serkis, or at least the voice performance was. Then again all Rankin and Bass needed him to be was a crazy cave monster rather than anything mildly sympathetic.
>> No. 30985
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This one?
>> No. 30998
>>30981
I miss the glazed cave eyes.
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>> No. 31041
>>31037
Wow, his hair is so grey.
>> No. 31045
>>30951
Silmarillion wasn't ever meant to be a single, coherent work. After Tolkien died, his son went through all the stuff he'd written but hadn't published yet, pulled out the most coherent, internally consistent set, and put it in print. That gigantic, twelve-volume "History of Middle-Earth" series of books is from the same body of material.
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Slightly related but Gene Deitch, the guy who did those weird Tom and Jerry cartoons, was working on a Hobbit animated adaptation. All that came out of it was this animatic he had to prepare in about a month and well, see GIF

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>>31276
Why does Dale look like Moscow?
Why did they rename Smaug "Slag" and make him look like a fish?
Why is there a princess?
>> No. 31289
>>31276
I.................................like the art style...
>> No. 31295
>>30959
agreed.
but just like there were no "set rules" about fantasy settings , the lack of editorial supervision allowed him to build that world , new writers would get their shit kicked in by editorials if they tried something like that now....unless its something like independent published stuff that allows them to by pass that kind of things.
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>>31289
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>>30900
>my face through that whole trailer
All dem dwarves, dat singing, hell dat everything.
I am one thoroughly giddy nerd.
>> No. 31532
So hey here's something cool: they're filming this in 48 FPS.
>> No. 31536
>>31532
This movie is going to cause so many eyegasms.
>> No. 31538
>>30900
That one fucking picture right there demonstrates that someone, somewhere listened to all my bitching and moaning about Gimli looking like your stereotypical tubby old D&D dwarf.

And if the cinematographic ending of the Battle of Five Armies can squeeze even half the amount of tears out of me that the original did, lo these many years ago, then I will concede that maybe Tolkien's works are filmable. And then start asking "where is my Silmarillion?" Seriously. I would give my eye teeth to see Fingolfin battling Morgoth.
>> No. 31539
>>31538
Have yet to read the Silmarillion, doesn't it cover the entirety of Middle Earth's history or some such?
>> No. 31554
>>31539
It's a collection of stories about the creation of Middle Earth and the First Age, when Sauron played second fiddle to Morgoth.
>> No. 31559
>>31538
>my bitching and moaning about Gimli looking like your stereotypical tubby old D&D dwarf.
Considering he was the only dwarf with serious screentime in the trilogy, I don't really see that as a bad thing. What you call stereotypical, I see as iconic; Gimli is a sound baseline for what a classic fantasy dwarf looks like. Now that we're dealing with multiple dwarves though, it's true that they need some visual diversity to better establish each as an individual, and we can clearly see that's been accomplished. Each one of them has his own distinctive look, yet they're all still firmly dwarven (although Kili is kind of a pretty-boy for a dwarf).
>> No. 31560
>>31559
Is the one at the far right Kili? Because yeah, I noticed when I first saw the picture that he appeared to have been carved of solid smolder.
>> No. 31561
>>31559
That's a very good point. I've just never felt that the classic fantasy dwarf really does Gimli (or the Khazâd in general) justice. Maybe it's just the passage of years. When I think 'classic fantasy dwarf' I think of the illustrations of dwarves from AD&D2e/1e and maybe the film Willow.
>> No. 31562
>>31561
I prefer to never think of Willow under any circumstance.
>> No. 31563
>>31539

It's probably my favourite of the books, but that's just because I like world building and it has legends and junk it in.

Dwarves aren't featured too much though. And you'll know why if you read it.
>> No. 31566
>>31554
>>31563
Welp, guess I know what book I'll be moving up the list of books to read through.
>> No. 31603
>>31562
Is it that much worse than I remember it?
>> No. 31608
>>31603
Rodyle is clearly drunk. Willow was great.
>> No. 31609
>>31608
Granting that I've only seen the movie once, I remember it being EXTREMELY annoying.
>> No. 31776
Awesome!

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/02/08/53459-billy-connolly-joins-the-hobbit-cast-official-release/#more-53459
>> No. 32001
>>31776
... huh.
>> No. 32031
>>31609
You mean the protagonist was extremely annoying.
>> No. 32032
>>32031
Wait, you mean Mad Martigan wasn't the protagonist?
>> No. 34630
http://screenrant.com/hobbit-3-peter-jackson/

I trust in Peter Jackson.
>> No. 34631
Wait... people DON'T like Willow? O_O

>>31538
>I would give my eye teeth to see Fingolfin battling Morgoth.
Did you catch the homage in Eowin against the Witchking fight, though?
>> No. 34633
Peter confirmed on Facebook, we're in for a trilogy.

I want to call "bullshit" on the obvious moneygrab here, but I know I'm going to see them all anyway. Also they'll probably all be great.

Damn it Pete, why do you have to be so smart and talented?
>> No. 34634
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Oh my God I forgot how gorgeous these backgrounds are.
>> No. 34636
Potential subtitles for reconfigured Hobbit series include Riddles in the Dark and Desolation of Smaug
>> No. 34637
>>34634
Did you forget how terrible everything else is?
>> No. 34640
>>34637
No you malignant ragamuffin.
Besides, this is a thousand times better than the Ralph Bakshi stain.
Good God how I hate Bakshi.
>> No. 34643
>>34640
Though the Gag Dub is one of the funniest videos I've ever seen, no joke.

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>> No. 34683
Oh my God.
Thank you.
>> No. 34686
>>34683
It's always a pleasure to share. I have fond memories of seeing the Horn of Gondor joke for the first time.

>Alright Sam, let's row in opposite directions. It's efficient! Like a see saw or something.
>> No. 34723
>Not a single woman in the cast

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
>> No. 34726
>>34723
Actually looks like they're making up a new character just for the movie, if I recall... which is lame. They're also including Cate Blanchett as Galadriel from the books' "deleted scenes".
>> No. 34736
Considering I hated reading The Hobbit with a fiery passion, I'm hoping the movies are more entertaining. I honestly could not give less of a shit about all those drawfs and the singing and whatever.

LotR may have been slower paced, but at least the characters are more fleshed out than "he's a bit loud sometimes"
>> No. 34741
>>34736
Funny you should say that, I found the Hobbit to be much better written precisely because it was more character-driven and less plot-driven. The dwarfs didn't have much character, but it wasn't their story--it was Bilbo's. Everything we saw was through the lens of what Bilbo was going through at the time, and that made the whole thing feel a lot more personal and human than the Lord of the Rings (which always felt like it was more about what was happening than who it was happening to) ever felt to me.
>> No. 34746
>>34723
Quite the opposite, I heard they were adding a warrior elf princess as a hamfisted token. I really hope she isn't going to fall in love with Gandalf or Bard or anything, because that would just be stupid.
>> No. 34747
>>34634
shit I remember they used to air commercials of that on Cartoon Network when I was a kid
character designs actually gave me nightmares
>> No. 34748
>>34741
I'll agree with you that I preferred The Hobbit. Where as with the first I could read through it and love, the damn first chapter of LotR KILLS me. God, why would you ever talk about silverware that long...

But yeah, it's feels like much more of a dredge as you experience more of the world than you do the particular inhabitants. Then again, I absolutely love reading well made and complex world building, so that is enough of a plus to help me through the reading process.
>> No. 34802
>>34746
Love interest for one of the dwarves. Either Fili or Kili I think.
>> No. 35226
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>> No. 35228
>>35226
HYPE REINVIGORATED
>> No. 35230
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>mfw book purists
>> No. 35231
>>35226
That guy on a sort of sleigh... was that who I think it is? :D
>> No. 35232
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>>35231
Radagast the Brown.
>> No. 35233
>>35232
...Ah.
I really expected him to be Tom Bombadil, but a Radagast is fine too, I guess. :/
>> No. 35234
QUESTION: Is Beorn in the movies?
>> No. 35238
>>35234
It's a suuuuuuuuuuur-priiiiise...
Yep, he is.
>> No. 35244
>>35234
Yep. He's been shifted to the start of movie 2.
>> No. 35298
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So the wargs look like wolves now instead of hyenas.
>> No. 35300
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The Great Goblin is an ugly son of a bitch.
>> No. 35304
>>35298
Oh yeah, I had seen them on a poster, yay!

Too bad they can't retcon it in the LotR trilogy. That was one of the things that didn't sit well with me on them.
>> No. 35309
>>35298
Yeah, its not like animals for diffrent area's have look diffrent. /sarkasem
>> No. 35327
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And here's the new, original elf character, Tauriel.
>> No. 35328
>>35327
And will she be replacing the dude at the end who nailed Smaug in the book?
>> No. 35329
>>35328
No, she's here just to make the adventure not a total sausage-fest.
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