Looks like they're going to be exploring those tiny planets finally. Nothing better for them to do.

LE, speaker of the vast glub, horrorterror, prospit and derse hugging intimately...what is the beaglepuss supposed to be?

>>68106
A clever disguise

Apparently this guy is now canon. So I guess we discuss him here?

>>68111
But he's way too mysterious for us to discuss him yet! Seriously, what's up with those glasses? What's up with that top hat? What's his deal!

>>68113
Eridan MK2?

i hope by exploring the planets we'll finally get more concrete definitions of the godtier kids classes and aspects.

That or they're finally burying all the dead folks they've left around on the planets.

Time for random questing and planet lore! Yay

Anyone else having problems with the auto-save feature? Every couple months it just decides to stop working, and does so even without changing any browser settings.

>>68146
Word on the street is that it gets fucked up if you visit both "mspaintadventures.com" (no "www") and "www.mspaintadventures.com" (with the "www").

So what's going on in the egbert residence? 10 bucks says they're watching little monsters.

>>68169
Close but no cigar.

Dang they really are watching a movie. I thought light-reflecting quest hijinks like on Jane's planet were going to be had.

I don't have the give a fuck to get through the walkaround flash. Is there anywhere I can go for highlights?

dude what's up with john's hair

it looks different

I love that befriending imps wasn't a thing that only Gamzee did.

>>68220
That shonen fly-away-cow-lick thing is gone. If only Jade's curved plate of hair on the back of her head would do the same.

>>68220
>>68221
http://mspaintadventures.com/scraps2/johns_hair_is_not_different.gif

I think John and Jade aren't so much being friendly with imps, so much as not giving a fuck and letting them do whatever they want. They seem pretty tame and are about as harmless as flies to them by now.

Who gives a shit about any of this though. I want to see what's up with the alpha kids and where the hell did Jane's dad go?

Also the imps have fuck all to do now.
All the royalty is dead so the war is kinda moot, the denizens have had a deal struck so they arnt giving out orders, and its possible in the yellow yard they might be cutoff from SBURB's mechanics in general.

Most shocking twist yet.

hey look
finally some REAL character development

FUCK YOU JOHN, FUCK YOU

NEVER READING HOMESTUCK AGAIN

ok...kinda curious here. is Hussie doing something with this? Or is he just changing something to "mess with the readers"

was only a matter of time I suppose

part of having a guilty pleasure is to admit that the thing you like sucks
is all part of its natural development

As the panels progressed I found myself quietly saying "John, no....don't say it" the whole time. I've got a problem and it is appreciation of John's shitty taste in movies. Is nothing sacred?

The age of Con Air is over.

The age of Weekend at Bernie's begins

As soon as he said
>i just realized something.
I knew it was over.

RIP Nick Cage

>>68245
1) He probably thinks it's funny.
2) John's fifteen. It's been two years. People change.

... no

john's growing. he's going to start watching mature, sensibile films like donnie darko and fight club

>>68255
no what?

Dropped

Jake loves terrible movies, and he's still older than John by a year now. I think this is more of Jane's side surfacing, because she thinks those movies are terrible. Like most people do.

Or it could be the fact that he's probably been watching it continually for 2 goddamned years.

>>68282
This.

Is MSPA down for anyone else?

MSPA is down for me too.

godaddy is down so mspa is down with it

not for me? maybe it's a location thing, northeast us here

RIP Davesprite x Jade

Now 9/11 will truly be associated with tragedy

>JADE: he uh...
>JADE: kind of broke up with me

man i can't believe we took us this long to see John genuinely angry

John, you're starting to sound like Karkat

Man that was just awkward to read. Like wow so much just ugggh not bad just uggghhh i felt weird

>>68332
On that note maybe John being so angry is foreshadowing for Karkat's memories and how he became such an angry piece of shit (i.e. being a complete shut-in with like no friends except maybe Terezi and never being able to trust anyone but his lusus on account of his mutant blood)

wow HSG is spiraling on depression about this new update

He sounds more like Dave to me. Then somewhere in the middle of his angry ranting, it came right back around to sounding like the dorky John we know, only a slight bit older and feeling cheated out of his warm fuzzy bad movie memories.

>>68252
He still likes Nic Cage though.

Not that surprising they broke up, I mean, she doesn't consider him the real Dave.

>>68339
He's just practice for the real deal.

>>68334
it's really easy to figure out why karkat is the way he is. we don't need a flashback sequence to spell it out for us, it would be a huge waste of time that could be spent on stuff that we didn't actually know.

he was friends with terezi, sollux, eridan, aradia and, grudgingly, gamzee before the game began, at the very least. he also seemed to be friends with kanaya although it's possible they became close during the game because i don't think a pre-game kanaya-karkat interaction was mentioned, unlike the others. i think it's safe to say they all liked him though, they just hated playing games with him because he'd get so mad and it wasn't fun after he'd flipped the board.

>>68336
hussie is just out of practice with writing john, so his natural voice (which is close to dave's) is seeping in on john's dialogue. once your cast hits a certain limit--which he's definitely passed--it gets difficult to give every character a unique voice and if you're not paying attention, all of those just get muddled in your head over time. and sometimes, if you've let a character gather dust, you just forget what he sounded like in the first place. this happened to rose for a while, too, and probably some of the trolls, although it might be harder to notice degradation in their speech because the quirks obfuscate it. even if they all basically talk the same they won't SOUND the same since you'll recognise the 2s and caps and double ws as variance in delivery. the more weird shit in the dialogue the harder it is to notice too.

Hussie posted this on his tumblr:

>One thing worth highlighting here: for all people in tiers $50 and higher, I’ll send out a beta version of the next Homestuck mini game update, several days before it shows up on the site. You can help us test it! Aiming to have that done in about a week.

So that's a timeframe on the next flash update. Any of you put over $50 in the Kickstarter, so we can get in the INSIDE SCOOP?

>>68329
That was my reaction too. Jade-proper and Davesprite didn't even have a chatlog together. Up into this point it was an ambiguous assumption by John. It seemed more sudden than Sollux's/Feferi's relationship.

Look's like John is coming to the same realization I had about godzilla movies I had when I hit 16. I still enjoy 'em but it's like "wait this sucks! but that's why it's awesome..." Now I enjoy stuff like adam wests batman, shattner era star trek other so bad it's good stuff. I figure he still like's cheesy stuff he's just shocked that he never realized how bad this stuff really is. Give it a few updates and he'll be quoting cage in other stuff.

In the meantime.... Anybody else wonder if there are other Sburb sessions being run by kids who hang out in spaceships all the time? And what're the universes produced by session's like? Since the kid's keep their aspect powers could they begin traveling throughout the multiverse in a dersite/prospitan starship...?

I put way too much thought into this shit.

>>68346
Well, it's been a year or so since we last saw them.

Jadesprite and Jade are the same person. Literally, now that they've merged. It's very likely Jade has traces of Jadesprite's feelings/personality/memories in some manner, even if it's not as obvious as the dog ears she got from Bec. And why wouldn't she like Davesprite? Despite what she says, he's still Dave, just with wings, a bit more angst (and experience with alcohol, it seems) and the possibility of facing certain doom.

>>68346
Well durr. That was the point. We just skipped a year, remember?

why is he talking a bout homestuck :y

>>68346
No way, Jade and Dave actually interacted. We knew they were friends--good friends--for a very long time, and it was demonstrated. Sollux/Feferi was out of literally nowhere and between two characters that we don't really know anything about as individuals, nevermind what their friendship was like pre-game (or if they even had a friendship).

It's not surprising she and Dave had romantic feelings for each other, and it's not surprising that they broke up either. This sequence is mostly just illustrating the passage of time and growing up. Jade had her first boyfriend and got dumped for the first time, John enters into the point in his life where he gets hit with the realisation that the stuff he liked as a kid is kind of stupid, but he's not old enough to be able to enjoy it for its nostalgia/so-bad-it's-good factor. Everybody goes through that sort of thing sometime. The breakup isn't actually meant to be a huge reveal, that's not the point of the update.

>>68347
I just figured they rebuilt their native society on a new planet--or a copy was imported by Skaia--and watch over it and the new developing societies as gods. First Guardians aren't in every universe, they just fill in when the players of the progenitor session are missing. Like in the case of the troll-to-human one.

>>68363
Fair enough, It sounds reasonable enough and has it's own merits. Can't help but wonder when the kids would enter their new universe, right at the start of habitable planet development or what....? Heh, now I'm wondering if Sburb has a Master of Orion 2 style galaxy generator Application...

Come to that...

Alright so we all remember Rose mentioning that multiple Sburb Game FAQs were popping up. and that when they entered the Medium they stopped updating leading everyone else to believe the other Sburb gamers died. Personally I like to think each planet spawns several Sburb sessions, thus giving the "last sons of krypton" as it were a decent chance of continuing their species on a new planet.

I can't help but wonder how many methods there are of escaping a doomed session... and what the consequences for quitting in the middle of a game session are?

I mean what if you just shrunk all those planetoid-labs down and used a Dersite space ship to find a new homeplanet in your old universe?

>>68372

I think the multiple game sessions is a given, seeing as Rose said this:

>ROSE: Biologically speaking, it's to be expected that null sessions far outnumber the successful ones. When it comes to reproductive systems, overwhelming redundancy is commonplace.
>ROSE: A universe has a reproductive system that spreads many seeds, as it were, most of which never come to fruition. So we shouldn't feel too bad about our results, really. It was quite par for the course.

Wouldn't make much sense for 1 universe to have 1 Sburb session. That means that every single session must be successful, otherwise the chain would be broken and there would be no more life.

>>68372
>>68374
my interpretation of all this is that any given planet will generally have only one session successful enough to Enter (since that's the session that the frog temple with the game code on its walls came from), but a universe can contain millions upon millions of civilized worlds, each of which will have a turn at the game.

>>68377
>>68374
Interesting, Valid points all around.

One of the things that drove me nuts though was hussie's use of the word "alpha timeline" I mean why do John and company have to be the center of the universe (aside form being the protagonists) It seems to me that Sburb reproduces not just in one timeline but across every single possible timeline. After all the cosmic toad contains every single possible version of a universe. ( I Like to call him Amphibious Prime. ) I don't really think there's such a thing as an "Alpha Timeline" just a timeline that you aren't a part of and have the opprotuinity to join via shenanigans.

Anyway... Ever wonder if there are sessions that switch players around? Like you enter the medium and all of a sudden there's 5 trolls wondering wher their buddy is, and back where you're supposed to be there's one very confused troll and 5 wierded out humans?

>>68374
That's obvious when you look at who's playing the game.

Sburb was an open beta in John's world; there were many people playing, reviews, gameFAQs walkthroughs, etc. Theirs was a primary session giving rise to many seeds. Many that died, some that possibly succeeded, and John's session which is kind of like a zombie, I guess. Meenah's was probably much the same.

When games are scratched, the rewound world is tailored specifically to the group of players who caused the scratch, and they are the only ones who play the game. Sollux made the trolls' game and shared it only with his friends. Roxy got her copies though a secret route probably only accessible to her. Nobody else had a chance. Whether or not a hard reset affects ALL sessions (as in, if one session in a brood pushes the panic button, all sessions EXCEPT that one vanish from existence) is unknown.

I also expect that John's session and Karkat's are linked in a circular fashion. The trolls created the humans, and the humans will eventually create the trolls (and Kanaya uses the egg to give Beforus its first Mother Grub). The events happening in the story, the Green Sun's creation for instance, or LE destroying everything, are both the beginning and the end of everything that exists, has existed, or will ever exist. Looping timelines are everywhere in Homestuck, and Andrew himself said Homestuck IS a creation myth.

>>68380

Wasn't Meenah the only one who got access in the game to the first place, by retreating to the moon and finding out about it there?

>>68385
That's how she got it, doc scratch was involved, however tangetially with that session and may have actively sabotaged the Beforus trolls. Remember the scratch? It's part of a stable timeloop of sorts, when looking at it that way you can always assume that there's an alternate session where meenah isn't the one who found the game but someone else found it instead.

Paradox Space was Hussie's stroke of genius, everything is possible, everyting is permitted, because, somewhere somehow it's all heppning rightthis instant.

>>68379

I find the difference between Alpha and Beta pretty arbitrary. According to Hussie Beta timelines are doomed, presumably to die. But isnt that the fate of all living things? We've seen that doom isnt instant, someone could be in a doomed beta timeline and die peacefully of old age. Hell, you probably wouldnt even know you were in a Beta unless you had an intimate knowledge of your timeline.

Beta timelines are timelines with unfulfilled paradoxes, and the sessions within them are sterile. Players WILL die sometime during the session because they will never be able to complete it; whether it's from random accidents or murder or suicide or old age, they're doomed to stay there until the sweet release of death. That is what it means to be doomed. The session in a beta timeline is essentially recognizing that its framework is fucked up and committing suicide to prevent further damage. Failure for cells to undergo apoptosis when they are fubar leads to cancer.

Alpha timelines are in proper order and therefore have a chance at proliferating--not that they are always sucessful either.

I think this possibly what happened with the troll session: it wasn't supposed to create anything and it DID trap its players in the session, but reproduction happened anyway and, well, its descendant got cancer. The so-called alpha timeline in Homestuck is not a true alpha timeine, but an out-of-control beta trying to repair all its discrepancies in increasingly bizarre ways, which includes cannibalising other dead timelines to create explanations for its existence.

The whole universe reproduction thing is very interesting from a biological standpoint. I have no idea if he thought of this or it's just coincidence that it works as well as it does, though. But from either point it's still a neat spin on fate in fiction, since from the viewpoint of the players it is strictly predeterministic--there is only one action they can take and only one outcome, everything is aready laid out for them--while the big picture is still all about free will and random chance.

I think I have a consistent understanding of "Alpha" and "Offshoot" timelines in my brain, but I'm having a lot of trouble communicating it in a post.

I don't agree that offshoot timelines are sterile, though - just that someone will decide to travel back in time. Who knows, maybe in one of the timelines Aradiabot revised, the Trolls made a completely unrelated frog, and that universe is fucking off in Paradox Space somewhere, totally unconcerned with the mess of the primary storyline.

Okay, enough of these stupid doomed timeline ponderings, we've more hard-hitting questions to tackle: having sex with a sprite.

>>68413
>>68397
>>68405
This basically mirrors my thoughts on the matter, if we take the Many Worlds Theory(I.E. If it's possible it's happening, somewhere, out there.) and apply it to Sburb and Homestuck we can assume for every failed session there's a succseful session. What fascinates me are the timelines where the doomed players escape via time travel or taking advantage of the unique nature of paradox space to break into another universe, though Sburb being Sburb will probably just dump them into a new, probably doomed, game session.

>>68415
That's a damned good subject and it needs tackling! Okay we know for a fact that that the first prototyping (unless you're in a null session) will modify the underlings and royalty, therefore you want to add something that will weaken the opposition the first prototyping.

The second prototyping, and any prototyping there after have no effect on the game world so its free game from there.

Just for fuck's sake, don't prototype a thumb drive full up on porn FIRST.

>>68416
Actually, the second prototyping will affect the enemies and royalty as long as you do it before entering the medium.
Enemies in the Beta kids' universe have cat features as well as tentacles, thanks to Rose's dual-prototyping.

>>68417
Okay, noted, PreMedium prototyping mods the underlings and royalty. Post medium prototyping mods the sprite and only the sprite.

So make certain that the Corruption of Champions thumbdrive does not get added to your sprite until you're well inside the medium.

>>68416
>for every failed session there's a successful session
I don't think this is true. Most sessions across most timelines will fail. Very few go on to become new universes. Those that do have good players who do a proper sequence of events with no paradoxes. It's natural selection of a massive, superuniversal scale. It's also canon: Rose said as much.

Timelines are not infinite either; they occur when players make certain choices and when the Time player uses their powers. Some events will never happen no matter how things are reworked, either because the stimulus will never be there or the player would just never choose to do that thing. I think it's also likely that players can only create these branches when they are in the game. So, there are many sessions that may have several thousand branch points but all lead to dead ends.

I can talk about Jade & Dave, sex and universes at the same time though if you'd like. Time players are necessary not just for resetting the session in case something goes wrong, but also for creating a mass of timelines, from which multiple instances of the same universe may survive to the next generation. It is a form of asexual reproduction because instances created from a timeline split are, up until that point, identical. Even if there aren't many sessions, with a Time player making branch points every time they use their power, one session might be able to give rise to a lot of new universes if the players are really that good. Space on the other hand is sexual, since it's the Space player who facilitates creation with the frog hunt/breeding stuff, and the universe created by them is unique, but also much more costly than a copy with a lot more riding on it. That's why Time and Space are the base aspects in a session. They're both methods of making babies used by the session to ensure some iteration will survive.

>>68426
Many worlds theory, same thing as the Law Of Averages. (I.E. it may not happen often but it will happen eventually.) Also I'll take anything a Seer says with a pinch of salt, much less a Hussie mouthpiece. (This is the guy who killed off the Alternatrolls and Equis so he didn't have to write them into anything. Lazy bastard declares Canon half the time just so he doesn't have to deal with things he doesn't want to cover in his story. EQUIS LIVES!)

Basically, for me, it boils down to this. Lets say 4 players enter a session, they play the game, going by the simplest possible logic we can assume that there are 2 outcomes, one session fails, one session succeeds. It's basic Timeline mathematics. For there to be an failed session there has to be a session that didn't fail. Doesn't have to be a likely session, or even a majority of fruitful sessions but at least one version of every instance (Pre Scratch, post scratch, glitch unglitched, pic your flavour) has to succeed for there to be failed sessions.

you guys are missing the important thing.


ghost butts.

Other than John's hand motions I really could care less about what they're talking about I mean wow

Not my theory but

> JADE: basically hes just going through a lot of stuff right now

>JOHN: he's a sprite. like really, what even is a sprite? how long do they live? will he still be around if we win the new game we are allegedly trying to get to?

>JOHN: god damn dave sprite.
JOHN: that guy molts like it's going out of style
JADE: oh...
JADE: heh
JADE: yeah

Davesprite is dying

I quit somewhere after Noir killed bro and then I restarted the comic again.

anyway I had just assumed that noir killed davesprite.

and then when I saw davesprite still had a lot of his injuries on the ship I was surpruised to see him and the other sprites hadn't evaporated or whatever once they left their session. Once I got a handle on that I assumed he'd just recover or get GHOST SCARS.

Only his injuries haven't disappeared, so It doesn't surprise me that he's dying. Also since Hussie killed off like... a dozen dead-trolls it only makes sense that he's killing off davesprite.

TL;DR
Of course davesprite is dying. Hussie is cleaning the metaphorical house so he doesn't have to write those characters anymore.

>>68448
Hussie definitely didn't kill all those dead people "so he didn't have to write them". He didn't have to write them in the first place. They were fucking dead, and for almost all of them, their second death was their first and last appearance in the comic.
Hussie had LE kill them to establish that LE can do stuff the other villains we've seen can't do, namely destroying the safe havens the Dream Bubbles had become in the minds of some readers.

As for the Sprites and Davesprite in particular, I'm sure that they've still got a role to play in the game. We've seen hints that their presence on Skaia is required during the Ultimate Alchemy.

Oh and Davesprite did regrow his wing, didn't he. That's a thing that happened.

Okay I'll grant you "didn't have to write them" on the alternatrolls alternakids but I'm thinking he killed Equis just to fuck with people. I didn't even know how much I liked equis until hussie off'd them. I guess that's a good thing...? What ev's it's a fictional character, I don't think something that doesn't exist can die.

Well we saw Dave grow his wing back but how much of that was Sprite Regeneration and how much of that was Hussie just saying "fuck it, he's a sprite he can just regrow the wing so I don;t have to alter the sprite."

I think Dave is dying because Sprites have a "Sell By" date.

In the meantime...

Prototyping.

Lets say I get a bunch of games, like fallout 1-3 with new vegas and tactics thrown in their, or Lets say I burn 150 CDs and fill 'em up with my favorite metal songs. What happens to the underlings and Royalty if I alchemize the fallout collection or the heavy metal collection?

Do I just get 1 or 2 changes to the underlings or this massive variety of changes?

>>68450
>Lazy bastard declares Canon half the time just so he doesn't have to deal with things he doesn't want to cover in his story. EQUIS LIVES!
>I'm thinking he killed Equis just to fuck with people.
You're just butthurt and massively biased. How was Equius' death a bigger deal than, say, Feferi or Nepeta's?

Nepeta, Equius, Gamzee and arguably Sollux were always just gimmick characters, even more so than the other less developed trolls (Feferi, Eridan). Hussie even says so himself. He never had any plans to develop any of the trolls in the first place, much less introduce *twelve* of them, and I personally prefer him killing the less important ones off to them standing around being useless and not contributing to the plot. And it's not like they're really gone either, since it looks like the dead guys are planning to bust out of the afterlife.

>>68451
Le Eye Roll.

Technically Nepeta Feferi and all those other trolls you mentioned are fine since they're dead but still part of the after life and therefore can show up in future comics (kinda...) Most of the characters obliterated by lord english were one shot alts or alternakids (like the dave time clones or Altjohn) who were killed soley to show that Lord English can Double-Kill people. I'm mildly butthurt over the whole thing since since it seemed pointless as hell.

and no, no one's busting out of the afterlife. Vriska, as per usual, is giving in to her need to be the absolute best so she's decided to bust out of the afterlife. knowing hussie I think that's gonna be a set up for a gut punch.

and yes, the Trolls, all of the trolls, every single one the Beforus and the Alternian's are joke characters. The Alternian's are parodies of Internet personalities and the Beforeus groups are Tumblr subsets.

Just because they're joke characters though doesn't mean I can't like 'em.

>and the Beforeus groups are Tumblr subsets.
Haha

Hahahahaha


no

>>68452
>Technically Nepeta Feferi and all those other trolls you mentioned are fine since they're dead but still part of the after life and therefore can show up in future comics (kinda...)

Then why make such a big deal about Hussie killing Equius off in the first place?

And yes, I do think they are busting out of the afterlife. Look at the people running around and plotting inside the dream bubbles. We've got people like Vriska and Tavros (who are trying to find a way out), Meenah (who is gathering her old friends to fight English), Sollux (who IS able to leave), Aradia (who is working for the preservation of reality and is cheering the others on), Aranea (who pretty much set this whole thing in motion), Rose and Feferi (who have experience communicating with the Horrorterrors), Roxy (who has some weird Void-y dreambubble thing going, which is especially interesting since they seem to be unique to these few sessions), and Calliope (who might be the key to defeating English)... and then we've got unknown numbers of god tiered kids and trolls. Oh, and Hussie.

They might not be restored to life or allowed to live in the new universe, but it's likely they'll turn out to be important in the final battle. While Hussie does like to toy with our expectations, I doubt all this build-up and talk between some of the most knowledgeable characters in the whole comic is going to turn out to be yet another fakeout.

>>68452
>the Beforeus groups are Tumblr subsets
um, no? Kankri is a parody of over the top PC tumblrites, but the rest aren't

>>68455
I did have a feeling that Meulin Leijon will be a parody of tumblr's shippers/fangirls, but I'm not so sure now. We'll have to see.

>>68456

I got the feeling that Meenah was partially influenced by the [badgirlswagyolo] portion of tumblr

>>68454
I like Equis, I guess I'm in a minority. Whatever. have a Sad Clown In an Iron Lung.

In the mean time.

Aquatic trolls, Clasper Fins or now Clasper fins?

>>68456
Meulin will be a pornographer

the one large subsection of the fandom that we haven't seen in Homestuck yet is the one that makes copious amounts of fanart featuring the characters fucking

i dont care about which subset of tumblr each extra character is portraying

>>68463
isn't that what caliborn was doing

During Alterniabound it was mentioned that the trolls' sprites were dead. So they're not immortal or invincible.

Meulin will be the personification of nudestuck.

Then you'll all be sorry.

Meulin = meow + Merlin

She will be a cat wizard, aka. Roxy's wet dream

I kinda wanna see Muelin as this horrible parody of people who make porn, and that she pairs everyone she meets in these terribly graphic pictures that she makes.

Catgirls are always so Kawaii Ugu, It would be an amusing change to see a horrible one.

Thanks, Davesprite. That was getting a little heavy.

DAT GHOST ASS.

I hope john gets some of his shit back together next update.