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66358 No. 66358
Speculative biology is fun! You get to ignore the human body and make up the anatomy rules as you go.
And while I've seen tons and tons of beautiful troll fanart, only a small fraction of the artists have taken their artistic liscence and run with it.
So I'd like to see all the inhuman troll designs! Whether they've got digiitigrade feet, tails, or armour plating; cute or scary or gross; let the theories roll!!

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>>72514
It was at this point that I realized fan trolls have reached that special level of inane, blind self-indulgence held previously only by furries. You know the kind I mean.
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Is anyone actually enjoying this thread? I'm mostly seeing complaints.

I was originally hoping that people would contribute stuff that I hadn't seen yet, or that it would spark some cool discussions and new art/theories.
But for the most part that doesn't seem to be happening.
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>>72519
Well that's probably because Hussie has stated multiple times that trolls are just grey skinned humans with horns. Makes all this "speculative biology" seem a little silly.
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>>72521

Silly? Sure.
But then by the same token so is ANY fanwork.
As fans, we take this thing that we love and we expand it, explore it, change and improve it.
We look at what might happen in the future, and what the past might have been like to give us what we see in canon. We wonder what would happen if characters A and B met, or if C and D got together.
If we change the outcome of this fight, how would that affect later events? What if we saw this scene from a different point of view? What if the setting was different? The species swapped? A different time period? How would these characters fit into a different genre? Could we add a new moral? What if we dumped them into a blender with this other work of fiction? What would happen then?
Those questions are the essence of the fandom. They're how we create, and why we gather together to share the fruits of our labours.
If we simply took the canon as gospel, let it stand without questioning or shaping it in any way, there would be no fandom. There would simply be a creation and an audience, sitting in silence and not interacting at all.
The theories, art, stories. All the furvor and joy and innovation of fandom. It doesn't come from accepting canon as immovable stone. It comes from asking "what if?".

So yeah, Hussie said they're just grey people with horns. Are you just gonna sit there and take that or do you think you could come up with something cool?
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>>72521
You're half there. I don't think it's good to completely disregard what's objectively true (i.e. they're not fucking insects, if you want to draw [potentially] insectoid people go draw Prospitans/Dersites instead) but they have aspects that are definitely not human too, so it isn't like there is no territory to explore. There's also room to experiment with appearance because, you know, the characters are represented by almost detailless sprites and we don't know for sure what their torsos look like underneath the clothes. People are just super shallow about designing stuff.

>>72385
Perfluorocarbon is cool, but there's an issue of how to clear it out of the lungs once it's been inhaled. I think in real life you need a tube down your throat to suck it out (I know the mouse in the video just needs to be hung upside down to cough it all out, but it was submerged for less than a minute in fluid far less viscous than anything that can be called "slime," and rats have a significantly smaller lung capacity than humans/human-sized things). I think it would be easy to flush slime from the lungs if they were structured like >>72413 but then every troll would have to have this and not just the seadwellers, which raises question about what makes them different from landdwellers. Maybe nothing, except that seadwellers are much more tolerant of high salt concentrations (maybe the gill/fin things on their faces are actually salt glands); landdwellers are still amphibious, but can only deal with fresh/brackish water.

Re: slime though, I've always held the belief that they don't breathe the slime in at all. Their trachea snaps shut to prevent accidental inhalation, they go into torpor to reduce oxygen consumption, and whatever is in the slime is absorbed through their skin like a frog or bat wing.
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>>72523

Why are insect-like features unthinkable for trolls? There's a lot more reasons (grubs, pupation, mother grubs, drones, hives, butterfly wings, etc) for insectoid trolls than for insectoid carapacians, which tend to be coded more as lab-grown doll-like chess people than as insects.
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>>72527
mother grubs and drones are not the same species as trolls; they don't actually live in hives, they just live in a normal house they call a hive; several things that are not insects go through larval stages and metamorphosis, including some of our fellow vertebrates. normal trolls don't get butterfly wings, only the characters playing the game could, so it seems to me like it is more of a symbol of ascension to godhood (like sprouting bird/"angel" wings are for us) than a biological thing. why don't the humans have wings? probably because they looked lame. i think halos probably could have looked cool though, i'm kind of sad that isn't a real thing now.

it's pretty clear that trolls have smooth skin, not plated. some things are insect-like, but there are plenty of other animals they are also like (i.e. mammal and amphibian). purely insectoid is also just kind of a lazy shorthand for alien when it comes down to alien design a lot of the time so i kind of have automatic contempt for it wherever it pops up unless the appearance can be adequately explained away. synthesis of several types of organisms makes for a much cooler + more solid design.

also, carapace people have canonical dermal plates. whether or not they have a complete exoskeleton or not is unknown ("carapace" is only a dorsal shell, it doesn't even mean that there is also a hard plate on the stomach) but if you want to draw plated insectoid-looking things, the carapace people are waiting.
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>>72530
Rufioh and The Summoner both had wings before going God-Tier--the Summoner never went God-Tier at all, and I don't think Rufioh did, either. This suggests that the genes are there for wings, they're just dormant. Like the genes for tails in humans.
>> No. 72533
Many things in troll culture refer to them being insectoid though. Hives, quest cocoons, even Pupa Pan.

There's also this:
"The eggs hatch into young larval trolls which wriggle about to locate a cozy stalactite from
which to spin their cocoons. After they pupate, the young troll with his or her newfound limbs undergoes a series of dangerous trials."

Case closed.
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>>72531
i secede that i guess. i was pretty sure the summoner/rufioh had them because he went god tier, in the same way that the condece/meenah's thief of life powers held over in the scratched universe. if he said he had them before the game ok. i confess i didn't read the pre-scratch troll shit over very well because i hate them, so i could have easily missed that bit of information. but it's still true that most trolls do not get them, and that insect-themed words used to describe things aren't the correct terminology. i can call my house a hive and my bed a cocoon too, but that doesn't stop them from being a house and bed, and it doesn't make me a bipedal arthropod.

>>72533
i'm really glad you read prior posts in a discussion before adding your own two cents which were already covered. i mean you would have looked pretty stupid otherwise.
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>>72535
If you're going to be anal about details, you need to be consistent in your level of unclenchingness. Assuming and glossing over some things while being overly focused on other points as to lose their overall significance entirely makes one look pretty stupid as well.
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>>72536
For sure. I certainly don't see any clear evidence for smooth vs plated skin, other than the lack of lines on the sprites. Which isn't a very good argument since they're highly stylized.

And I totally agree about the synthesis of different groups being cooler than just one single source. ... Which is why I think adding insect traits to the generally all-human-all-the-time look of the trolls is an improvement. Add some amphibian and reptile traits in there too and I'll be even more enthused.
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So, no one's really interested in this thread?
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>>72539
>s-see see! It's still got her horns, so that's totally Feferi!
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>>72544
Meenah, I think. Short hair & rat-tails.
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>>72545
I'm very confused as to who these are supposed to be. The blood colours, horns and what I'm assuming is Kanaya's clap on, clap off ability don't match up at all.
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prob fantrolls.
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>>72542
I wouldn't say that. I'm interested.
It's just that I've said all that I had to say on the matter.
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>>72542
>>72552
Pretty much. It's a slow board dude.
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>>72551
I think I speak for everyone here when I say no one gives a fuck about fantrolls
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>>72554
We had like two threads full of them.
Junk's occupied the banner for quite some time.
So no, I guess you don't speak for everyone.
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>>72554
>>72561
Oh, she's actually still there, just not in the threads.
Wow.
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>>67884
what
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