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65129 No. 65129
old thread:
>>43149

Let's theorizing, love!
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>> No. 65130
UU is a hermaphrodite
>> No. 65131
>>65130
trolls don't work like that, dude
>> No. 65132
All troll's have penises, two of them
>> No. 65133
maybe hir has 4 penises then
>> No. 65134
I think UU's gender is a red herring and people should stop conflating them with Calmasis.
>> No. 65136
Trolls don't practice penetrative sex since they use external fertilisation.
>> No. 65137
I'm guessing UU and uu occupy same waking body but have separate dreamselves, each with its own title and stuff. No idea how that would impact their gender. There's gotta be something going on there, since trolls definitely exhibit secondary sexual characteristics.
>> No. 65138
Not really speculation, and I know it won't happen, but the UU in this tumblr is my honest hope for what official UU ends up looking like. So damn cute.
http://ask-ophiuchus.tumblr.com/
>> No. 65139
>>65137
How about this: uu's personality was sucked out of his original body, which died or ceased to exist or whatever. Therefore his waking self lives in UU's body even when he's the active personality, but his dreamself is what he "actually" looks like.

Alternatively, their colocation is some kind of magical phenomenon where they just inexplicably switch places and we don't even have to think about it very much.
>> No. 65140
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65140
>>65134
People will stop conflating UU and Calmasis when Hussie stops encouraging them to do so.

Though I still don't understand the people who think that UU is literally Calmasis. I mean, it's likely that Calmasis is Rose's allegory for UU and uu in the form of one character, but UU isn't literally a grimdark wizard any more than Stalin is a black talking pig named Napoleon.
>> No. 65144
>>65140
This particular panel reminds me of that one old Formspring post about the book Hussie never finished writing. The one where Zazzerpan and the Complacency are originally from.

>Herbert is the guy with the eye patch. He had a magic gun. But he could never figure out how to use magic, so he primarily just went around shooting things.
>> No. 65146
>>65144
> Magical Herbert and CoTL connection
Gonna bet rite now that UU/uu/both? has Berhert or Trebreh or some other deformation of "Herbert" for a last name.
>> No. 65151
One body, different dreamselves. UU is active in the daytime, uu is active at night. One of them will be the snakes(uu) while the other is the snakebearer(UU)

I'd love to know why uu wants to kill UU so bad. I'm also not completely sold on UU being female.
>> No. 65153
The fact that UU's class is female-only means that she's almost definitely a girl herself - or at least her dreamself is. Assuming she and uu share a body, though, I have no clue what their waking self's sex could be.
>> No. 65154
>>65151
So they're a weresnakestroll? Awesome.
>> No. 65157
>>65153
Intersexed, probably. Though what would that mean for trolls remains unknown.
>> No. 65159
Since we're still talking about UU and uu, can I share my interpretation of the two-dreamselves-one-body theory with the class? :D

See, there's this biological phenomenon called chimerism, which is basically the opposite of identical twins? Instead of one fertilized egg producing two identical babies, two or more fertilized eggs produce one individual with a patchwork of different DNA. If one of the contributing zygotes is genetically male and the other is genetically female, chimerism can result in an intersex individual. And in people, one of the most common symptoms of chimerism is actually the person in question having more than one blood type running through their veins.

Maybe the Uu session's ectobiology machine glitched, and instead of producing two offspring grubs from their ancestor/s' paradox slime, it produced a chimera grub with a mixed blood color (black blood? tie-dye christmas blood? Who even the fuck knows) and mixed sex traits. Sburb, realizing it done fucked up, then induced Multiple Personality Disorder in the patchwork trollbaby so that the minimum number of people needed to play Sburb could be achieved.

Time shenanigans via Trollian and sburb-granted time powers will probably need to be liberally used, though, in order to make entering the medium Not Fucking Impossible.

Dreamselves tend to be closer to the individual's personal image of themself (terezi likes being blind and thus her dreamself is blind, while tavros doesn't like being crippled and so his dreamself can walk), so UU and uu's seperate dreamselves could manifest as having the blood color and physical sex that they imagine they would have if they hadn't been merged into a single person at inception. Assuming that the recent Calmasis' Legs panel is more indicative of their blood color than their chat symbols are, UU identifies as a redblood because she is a bluh bluh huge humaboo or some shit.
>> No. 65162
I don't think they are one person at all.

Yo look at this image >>65140 for a second and realise the green represents the scratched universe and the red represents the original. Realise uranianUmbra's symbol is on the red side and undyingUmbrage's is on the green. What if they are the ancestors of each other? And they play the game together because you cannot have a one-person session, so uranianUmbra had to get to undyingUmbrage's session in order to complete the game, similar to what the humans have to do?

UU in all her sweetness represents the troll culture in the A1 session; uu's warmongering competitive ways are A2. If they are basically clones of each other they are probably the same "sex," which is probably male. Uranian doesn't mean intersex, numbnuts. It's an archaic word for transgender women, or as wikipedia puts it, "a female psyche in a male body."
>> No. 65163
>>65162
Am I the only person who doesn't think that the "uranian" in uranianumbra has anything to do with archaic words for gay and transgender people? I think it's probably a reference to uranium.
>> No. 65164
Aranea refers to "one noteworthy fugitive" when talking about surviving members of their race to Terezi, so she perceives UU/uu as one entity, at least.
>> No. 65165
>>65163
I think he definitely chose uranian because of the archaic meaning as well as its resemblance to "uranium," but I think the gender might have just been to trip people up. And in the end it doesn't matter because UU calls herself a girl anyway.
>> No. 65166
>>65164
Pretty sure she was talking about the Condesce when she mentioned the "fugitive."
>> No. 65167
>>65162
Red and green only represent the pre and post scratch for universe B, though. Universe A, the troll's universe, was blue in the postscratch, and judging from the way the colors flipped across scratch for universe B, prescratch universe A was probably purple or something.
>> No. 65168
>>65167
UU and uu don't necescrily have to be in the blue universe, though. Sure, they might be trolls, but given all the trans-universal communication anything is possible.
>> No. 65169
>>65167
It might be colour coded for outcome of that particular session.

Red is barren; blue is fertile; green is barren but viable with in vitro assistance.

The A1 troll session would have been coded red as well as anyone else who had to scratch their game.
>> No. 65173
>>65169
Remember how the cursor and curtain colors switched in universe B?

The cursor in the A2 session was purple.
>> No. 65176
>>65173
Which would imply...

Egads! The four legendary gods of the B1 session...represent the colors of the four sessions!
>> No. 65177
>>65176
Ywheauh

Huehoieoeh

HOLY FUCKING SHIT I DON'T

I don't believe this
>> No. 65181
>>65177
Hussie said that he decided that Homestuck was going to be a "secret trilogy" with the second part (act five) being about the trolls and the third part (act six) focusing on a post-reset earth...while he was in the middle of working on act four.

He makes a lot of shit up on the fly, but I bet he plans out a lot in advance as well.
>> No. 65185
Guys

>Dirk is a puppeter
>Jake likes weekend at bernie's
>"Hope will be dead on arrival"

Dirk is totally going to corpsepuppet his gay crush through the medium

I know it to be true
>> No. 65187
>>65153
>The fact that UU's class is female-only

This in particular is what I take issue with. UU never outright states that female is his/her class, that's just implied because the end of 'her' explanation happened to end with female. 'He' could very well have a male specific class.

The feminine mannerisms(which I don't see by the way) could be because UU is Male sex/Female gender.
>> No. 65188
>>65187
If UU's gender is female, regardless of her sex, why couldn't she end up with a female-exclusive class? I'd be kind of pissed off if she got a male class because she was physically male. (whatever the fuck that means for a species where all orientations are reproductively viable.) Also, when uu says that UU isn't his sister, he says "SHE's not my sister." Female pronouns. I'd find it really unlikely if she turned out to be anything other than a woman.

Also, you've been ignoring the context of the word uranian. Early in its history, it was used to refer to both male-to-female transexuals and to male homosexuals, because it was believed that male homosexuality was the result of a female psyche in a male body; in other words, they were considered the same goddamn thing. And then later it became an absurdly broad term covering pretty much everyone under the modern "queer" umbrella, plus non-trans heterosexuals that defied gender social norms. You can't really accurately guess her sex or gender just based on her username, dude.
>> No. 65191
>>65188
Oh he actually said she? I missed that somehow.

Also, i'm not the one talking about uranian. That was someone else.
>> No. 65192
>>65191
Yep, right here: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006548

Urp, sorry! I really shouldn't assume.
>> No. 65193
>>65187
UU has even used the word "girl" to describe herself!
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006413
>UU: and i'm far from anyone like that. jUst a girl who wants to help!
>> No. 65198
OKay I got it! Uranian means UU is trapped in uu's body. Undying means uu literally can't die. uu is stuck with UU forever.

Umbrage because uu is a disgrace somehow
Umbra because UU is never seen, like the darkside of the moon. That or she's a blemish on an otherwise perfect troll.

ALSO uu is 'undying' because he is now both time AND space because of UU. They are a singular continuum.
>> No. 65199
>>65198
uu is a parasitic twin inside of UU!
>> No. 65200
>>65198
uu seems more like a Hope player so far.
>> No. 65201
>>65200
>uu seems more like a Hope player so far.

If UU and uu are the only ones playing a session then it make sense one of them was a time player(a landmark where a Scratch can be performed is required) and the other was space(the point of the game, Space players are in charge of creating new universes).
>> No. 65202
>>65201

UU is probably the Time player what with her syncing her timeline with the Alphas.
uu is Space... because there's a SPACE inside of him where UU resides! Oh Shit! All kinds of pieces are falling into place... like PUZZLE PIECES! He fills up empty spaces like blank space in a puzzle!!

...yeah, silliness aside. I think UU would be time. What would her (female specific) class be?
>> No. 65203
>>65202
I've been guessing which classes held by girls are female-exclusive by whether they have dresses/skirts or not. I'm thinking she's probably a Witch, Sylph, or Seer.

And as a side note, I think uu is probably a Bard. Which would make UU's comments about how the B session is lucky to not have a bard rather amusing.
>> No. 65207
>>65202
>...yeah, silliness aside. I think UU would be time. What would her (female specific) class be?

UU mentioned that she was a Prospit dreamer in one of ther earlier convos with Jane, so would she be a Space player?
>> No. 65210
>>65207
i think so...
>TT: You've stolen enough of my time. I didn't even get a chance to try plugging in that window.
this line may hint uu being the thief of time
so sylph maybe?
>> No. 65217
>>65201
>If UU and uu are the only ones playing a session then it make sense one of them was a time player(a landmark where a Scratch can be performed is required) and the other was space(the point of the game, Space players are in charge of creating new universes).
You need a Time player if you want a second chance at playing the game, but actually there's no clear indication that you need one to finish the game.

Also:
>uu: I THINK THAT IT MuST BE THAT WAY.
>uu: BECAuSE THAT IS HOW I WANT IT TO BE.
>uu: AND IF I WANT SOMETHING TO BE TRuE HARD ENOuGH. THEN THAT MAKES IT SLIGHTLY MORE ABSOLuTELY IRREFuTABLE.
>uu: ARE YOu FEELING ME, FuCKER?
This seems related somehow to Jake's powers as a Page of Hope, given what brain!Dirk was hinting at. But we've seen questions of belief and imagination figure prominently in both Tavros and Eridan's character arcs, so it's anyone's guess whether this is a Page thing or a Hope thing... or somehow both.

So if we want to infer class or aspect from personality alone (which is something you're supposed to be able to do) we could take this to mean that uu is, for example, a Page of Time(?) or a Thief(?) of Hope. Alternatively he could be a totally different class/aspect, and obsessed with belief/imagination because he's strongly in denial of his true calling as a Sburb player, meaning all bets are off until we find out how more classes and aspects are related to each other.
>> No. 65218
>>65217
>You need a Time player if you want a second chance at playing the game, but actually there's no clear indication that you need one to finish the game.

Are you implying that this would be UU+uu SECOND session we are reading through now? And if it is, wouldn't they still share the same aspect as THEIR pre-Scratched selves?
>> No. 65219
(>>65217 continued)
Wait a second... We also know uu is very impatient, which so far seems to be a Time thing (at least with Derse dreamers).

I'm betting on Page of Time for now.
>> No. 65220
>>65218
I was only saying they could scratch their session if they had a Time player, but even if they didn't they might still be able to finish the game.

The human players all had different aspects (possibly opposite/complementary ones, but still different) after their scratch. The pattern we're seeing with the 12-player troll sessions could just be a quirk of their "family."
>> No. 65222
I don't think the Uu session will be scratched at any point, but I still think that there'll probably be a time player.

Think about it. One of the big appeals of Sburb to its players/victims is that it allows friends to play together in person - often, friends who have never actually met in person.
UU and uu have never met in person, and the big theory right now is that it's because they share a a body, and the one not in control automatically goes to sleep. How do you get two people in one body to meet in person? Well, if one of them can travel to a point in time where the other person is in control...ta-da!
>> No. 65233
Not my theory, I found it on the MSPA forums, but...

"A possibility not oft discussed is the possibility that even though LE was not originally part of the equilibrium, he is now and removing him would create a situation where either the HTs or Skaia would win permanently, and Jake will don the role of a second Lord English (who is NOT definitively evil) and keep things steady throughout Paradox Space."

Certainly a different take on the Jake=LE theory.
>> No. 65234
>>65222
This is the best argument I've seen yet for a Time aspect.
>> No. 65235
>>65234
Honestly, I'm surprised more people don't bring it up.
>> No. 65242
>>65233
I get it, like an inoperable tumor. Nice. Or not nice. Ew.
>> No. 65243
>>65222
That would certainly make planning just about anything a real hassle. Makes sense though, from all the time theories he's trying to coach readers on. Hope it happens.
>> No. 65245
>>65243
The fact that it would be a huge hassle is part of why I want to see it happen. Imagine someone like uu being entrusted to NOT create endless doomed timelines. The results would be darkly hilarious in the best way.
>> No. 65251
>>65222
I don't think meeting in person would be a problem if they went god tier, though.
>> No. 65252
>>65251
....Assuming they can both ascend simultaneously.

If their aspects are Time and Space and they die on a Time bed, what happens? Will there be quest beds that count for both aspects? If uu gets the tiger and UU doesn't, would uu kiss their shared corpse so UU's dreamself can live on, or will he laugh in her face and watch her die?
>> No. 65255
>>65251
Most people have to at the very least spend a few hours in the game strifing and acomplishing objectives before become Godtier-able, though. Gotta hit the top of the echeladder.
>> No. 65290
Along with passive/active roles, titles also have opposites. Like, Prince is the active destroyer class (destruction via aspect) while Page is the active creator class (construction via aspect).

So Jake is the opposite of Eridan. Their lives reflect it- Eridan is the clingy guy everyone rejects, and Jake is romantically oblivious but has everyone chasing after him.
>> No. 65297
Pre-Scratch Grand Highblood will be a mime. That is all.
>> No. 65307
We'll meet two more pre-scratch trolls. Any other pre-scratch trolls we see will be glimpses in flashbacks, not fleshed out in any real way.

To balance out Aranea and Meenah, the two other prescratch trolls we meet will be male. One of them will be the sufferer, the other will probably be the summoner. Not only will they balance out the genders, they'll represent the lowblood end of pre-scratch society.

Aranea and Meenah's classes are Sylph and Thief - the only female-occupied classes we've seen among the trolls that didn't have a second occupant among the human players. There are two male-occupied classes among the trolls that aren't represented in the human session - Mage and Bard. I therefore predict that one of the male prescratch trolls we meet will be a Mage, and that the other one will be a Bard.
>> No. 65308
Theory: uu is the Sufferer. The pre-scratch trolls got a UU instead.
>> No. 65311
>>65308
That doesn't even make sense. uu is supposed to be the server player for UU. If uu is the postscratch sufferer, he pretty much CAN'T play sburb because we already know his life story. And also because meteorbabies designated as "ancestor" don't play the game.
>> No. 65312
>>65308
>>65311
And uu can't even be the pre-scratch copy of the Sufferer, because then how would the post-scratch Sufferer remember what the original world was like
>> No. 65325
There's gonna be a page titled ">Page: Turn."

Whether it's gonna be literal or metaphorical, I have no idea. But it'd be....fun if it was literal.
>> No. 65330
UU's session is going to be the one that deals the final blow to LE.
>> No. 65333
uU live(s?) in the far future of post-Scratch Earth, after the Condesce's reign has crumbled. They have access to the trolls' meteor, which crashed there via defense portal.
>> No. 65336
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65336
UU and uu will eventually become playable characters.
>> No. 65337
>>65336
Pretty sure that is just a tab would open/collapse the Choose Character window if this were an actual gme screen.
>> No. 65338
>>65336
Wouldn't it make more sense to assume that that would be a toggle for a character select screen of the beta kids once they all meet up?
>> No. 65339
>>65338
But then why would you toggle between one Pesterchum symbol and another identical to it? User interface-wise, it makes no sense.
>> No. 65340
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HER IMPERIAL CONDESCENSION PERSONAL TIMELINE DISCUSSION TIME.

So, when Lord English can't get somewhere he needs to go, he sends someone to do the dirty work for him.
We know that the Batter Witch has had her hands in both B1 and B2 for a while now. The question I'm interested in addressing is HOW she went about doing it. She has to have, from her point of view, jumped from place to place one after another. Listing her itinerary, we know she's been to: A2 Session (grub), A2 (Her Imperial Condescenion), B1 (Betty Crocker from here on, raised Nanna and Grandpa Harley), B2 Session (usurped the Black Queen), and B2 (Betty Crocker ruling Earth).

So, let's start investigating by remembering the structure of the Homestuck Paradox Space Multiverse (cf. pic related)
On the largest scale we have "The Furthest Ring", AKA Paradox Space, basically the biggest jumble of tangled spacetime imaginable. Everything ever takes place here, one way or another.
Dotting the Furthest Ringscape, presumably at great spacetime distances from each other, are Incipispheres. These are where SBURB sessions happen, and are spawned from within existing universes, and as far as we can tell they each form their own pocket universe out in the Furthest Ring with its own timeline. Most of them fail, and eventually end and become eaten by Paradox Space.
Successful sessions live here too. And inside of those, nestled in the center of Skaia, Bilious Slick grows to maturity and becomes a Universe As We Know It.
Floating in one corner of Paradox Space, bright and leering, is the GREEN SUN. Some (probably a countless number, but apparently not all) sessions and the universes inside of them are trapped in its orbit.

So, how exactly does one navigate this clusterfuck of distinct spacetimes, each with their own spatial and temporal boundaries independent of one another except at special intresections?

>Getting between SBURB/SGRUB/SWHATEVER Incipispheres/Mediums/Sessions
The only way we know of doing this directly is to successfully navigate the Furthest Ring. To do this as far as we know you need either a bright temporary marker (e.g. the Green Nova) or a God Tier Seer of Light to find the way. Perhaps most importantly, as Rose said, you also need the will of the gods. You can't find a valid path if they don't allow for one to exist for you.

>Getting from a Session to the Universe that spawned it
This one is much simpler. Simply fling yourself through a Skaian Defense Portal. Each one leads to a different spacetime point in the universe that spawned the session.

>Getting from a Session to the Universe they spawned.
This is perhaps the easiest of all. Once you beat the game, Bilious Slick is floating before you, and a Victory Portal will appear that will (presumably) let you enter the new universe you've made. Bec Noir immediately broke this for the Trolls, so they were stuck. It is currently unknown if you can "just... sort of reach up and..." fly into Bilious Slick from the outside, since you can see the galaxies and everything. You probably could, but would end up in intergalactic space, rather than anywhere you would want to be.

>Getting from a Universe to either the Session that spawned it or the Session it spawned.
Arguably the most important instance of such travel is when the players first enter the Incipisphere. This is facilitated by Entry Items.
But there is another way that was revealed in [S] Cascade.
EXILE STATIONS
We got our first hint of this way back when:
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003311
As you can see, the terminal is pointing at the RIGHT hand portal, and the direction can be changed by a key:
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005166
We don't actually see this get to see the key turn, but in [S] Cascade (part 2 if you want to skip to it), when Bec Noir grabs the uranium from WV's tummy (poor guy ): Glad he's better) the pointer has been set to the LEFT, and goes directly to the Troll's Session, the one that created this Bilious Slick.
BUT! We still don't have complete information. On the terminal we know:
(left => Troll Session)
(right => ???)
We can guess that it goes to the Kid's session. But here's the tipper: How do we know if if went to the Kids' Beta (pre-scratch) Session or the Teens' Alpha (post-scratch) session? Dealing with the Scratch has muddled up these things severely. WHERE does a Scratched Universe Frog reside? While having the terminal send you to the specific session that was spawned by that universe makes symmetrical sense, we can't be sure.

So, using all known methods of inter-universal travel, we should be able to piece together a travel plan that HIC followed.
One important thing that everyone probably forgot:
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002614
Someone was already in WV's Exile Station, had locked the room with the trans-universe portal, and had already drained it of power, presumably to leave the B1 Universe.

THIS is one important part of the link. We can see that at one point she was in B1 (had to raise two kids, run a corporation, and send Dave that link to the Miracles video), and then she left it through that station. If only we knew where the Station sends you if it's pointing to the right!

Everything else is speculation at this point, but at least valid speculation. Did HIC use an exile station from Alternia to get to the A2 Session? Probably after Bilious Slick was dead. Did she then fly through the Furthest Ring successfully (with LE's instructions, maybe?) and get to the B1 session, fly through a Skaia portal without us noticing, become BC on B1 Earth, survive the apocalypse, then use WV's station to get back to the B1 session and catch a Red Skaian Portal just in time to get to B2 Earth, then be Betty Crocker, take over Earth, and then ride an Exile station to the B2 Session to usurp the Black Queen?

Probably a far fetched path, but that's why I'm opening up the floor to ask for other people's speculated trans-universe travel paths. I've typed enough to fill a book heavy enough to kill a cat if you dropped it.
>> No. 65342
>>65338
>>65339
Also, it's not like there isn't space on the pesterchum tab for four more boxes...
>> No. 65346
Guys. In act 5-2, Doc Scratch told Spades Slick that the name that everyone knows him by isn't his real name, just a "nickname."

Doc Scratch is cloned from a piece of Strider Family property - Lil Cal.

Both Striders have the initials DS, just like Doc Scratch has the initials DS.

Doc's real name is (insert D-name here) Strider.
>> No. 65347
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65347
>>65346
I can't believe this never occurred to me before. It's perfect.
>> No. 65349
>>65346

It's Dick Scratch
>> No. 65350
>>65346
That...is pretty plausible.
>> No. 65380
>>65346

We know Doc Scratch is Cal's son. Dirk was also raised by Cal.

DS is a clone of Dirk, Lord English is somehow Jake

Jake has been inside Dirk all along
>> No. 65381
>>65380
But how can Jake be inside dirk when dirk is already inside jake?
>> No. 65392
>>65381
Very uncomfortably.
>> No. 65400
The ring Hussie is using to propose to Vriska is going to become an important plot point. It will end up being the ring from one of the queens in the alpha game, or orbs will get added to it to power it up, or something. I don't know how it will become important, but it will.
>> No. 65401
>>65381
DOUBLE REACH-AROUND
>> No. 65402
>>65401
Mobius Matryoshka Doll Double Reacharound?
>> No. 65429
What if Jake's head gets lobbed off at some point?
> Jake has an interest in skulls
> Jane only drew Jake's head on the seedpod
> multiple instances of beheadings (Poppop Crocker, HB, prospitan guard) in B2 so fa
> "in the event that your sweetheart-to-be is decapitated"
>> No. 65453
Pure crackpot theory, but what if the next four sessions, starting with the one bec noir came from, all gave a different member of the Midnight Crew a ring? Then when there's a boss-level incarnation of all four, with Spades Slick and Diamond Droog already there, go on to fight and somehow beat Lord English?
>> No. 65457
>>65453
Sure, let's run with this.

To begin with I'm gonna count Bec Noir and void!DD as the first two Gangsta Bosses. It would not be out of character for Jack to inexplicably switch sides and help the kids in such a fight, and DD would follow suit like a bro (no pun intended). So that's two rings accounted for, and two remaining. Can we match them up with copies of HB and CD who are still alive somewhere?

We never saw how the trolls' ring was destroyed exactly. Maybe someone told them a transmaterializer would do the job, and they unwittingly chucked it in and sent it to pre-scratch Alternia, where HB and CD (the last surviving MC members) already had one ring. They then escape into the furthest ring, vaporize a bunch of gross space mutants, and serendipitously show up in the void session for the boss fight.

That, or we wind up with a bunch of copies of Jack instead of a real Midnight Crew. :V
>> No. 65459
>>65457
Actually, the trolls' ring was destroyed by being thrown into Kanaya's Forge.
>> No. 65481
Stupid theory time

The Bunny is another example of a "juju"

And so is Dad
>> No. 65492
>>65481
We never saw either of those in the failed troll session, like we've seen Cal. Someone pointed out that the cueball could be a juju.
>> No. 65494
>>65492
Does it have to exist in every session we see in order to qualify as a juju?
>> No. 65498
IMO "existing in every session we've seen" is a contraindication of Jujuity, because
>UU: they cannot be trUly dUplicated. if there ever appears to be more than one of the same, it is only a mirage of caUsality!
something that has this property can't arise independently in multiple sessions; it has to be the same object traveling from one session to another. Like how Li'l Cal came with Jack into the Troll session, and that's how he was used to make Doc Scratch, and then Doc Scratch died to instantiate the A2 Lord English.

But nowhere is it said that that kind of circuitous omnipresence is actually necessary, and in fact, it's much easier to say that a thing that shows up in multiple sessions shows up because it's created in multiple sessions (e.g. everything to do with Prospit/Derse) rather than claiming that it was created in Session X and then found its way to all the different sessions at some point in its long life.
>> No. 65499
>>65494
Well, Lil' Cal is more or less confirmed to be one of them; he's been referred to as a juju, has existed in every shown universe so far, travels between them through stable time loops and sort of just mysteriously originated in dream Dave's room on Derse ("they emerge spontaneoUsly from the void")...

He also happens to be one of the two necessary "ingredients" for Doc Scratch, and, by extension, Lord English to exist in a universe. The other is the Cue ball. Now, you might say "oh, but the jujus are supposed to be worthless on their own!" but hey, it sort of is! At least to UU. The only people who have the x-ray vision required to read its answers are Rose, Vriska and Mindfang (and Aranea, but since English never entered their session they probably didn't get their hands on it). So yeah, from UU's point of view, it's just a completely worthless talisman, even if she knows of its real power.
>> No. 65501
>>65499
I have my doubts about this only because Scratch talked about them as if there were actually several of them in any given world.

By the way, "juju" is slang for "penis" in Hong Kong.
>> No. 65507
>>65494
No, but keep in mind that every session we've seen (a whopping number of 3) is essentially a doomed one in their own ways.
>> No. 65524
You know how Droog fancies grey ladies?

There actually might be some grey ladies as a part of Sburb, they're just the babies of interracial marriages between Prospitans and Dersites.
>> No. 65538
>>65524
I thought the chess people were cloned though.
>> No. 65542
>>65538
The players are clones too, but that doesn't make them incapable of biological reproduction. It just means they haven't participated in it yet.
>> No. 65573
Dirk's entry item will be a copy of him. He has to kill it to enter. Meanwhile, his dreamself flies into Skaia to escape Red Miles. Skaia opens a single defense portal, sending that tendril to Earth. The tendril finds and destroys his entry item during their fight.
>> No. 65579
>>65573
I don't think he'll get an entry item at all. He'll just get the empty "source" of an entry item and won't have to do anything to it, like Jane.
>> No. 65590
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65590
WELL, that there looks like the start of Red Miles.

Does this answer the question of just where the hell a scratched universe sits? Because if it's the same "place" as its pre-scratched version, and this is Bec Noir's Red Miles attack, then does that mean you can't destroy a pre-scratch universe without destroying the scratched version too?

Though that doesn't make much sense, since at least the B side of the TUMOR would have had the mass of two universes, seeing as Noir would have destroyed both B1 and B2. Unless the TUMOR is just really good at picking which universes to contain in its glass jars, while Noir's just really good at blowing up things?

On another note, Roxy and Dirk now have a time limit again, since apparently we lack reckoning meteors in B2.
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