Are they still on Ghost Namek?

>Eh we're actually stronger without the Bankai anyway

Then WHAT. WAS. THE. POINT??? What a fucking colossal waste of time and narrative attention!

Better than what's going on in Naruto? Undeniably. Actually enjoyable? Definitely not.

Is there an updated version of the OP's pic?

Oh hey a bleach thread. All I got to say is that when I looked up to check what page I was one when I was reading this chapter I expected it to be page 5 but it was actually page 15. I think I ended up finishing the chapter in like 2 minutes. I'm not sure how Kubo does it.

Bambi-chan a shit

It makes a degree of tactical sense if they took the captains bankais just so they wouldn't have them. Even if it weakened the spirit nazis a bit in the process, they'd still have the advantage of the enemy not having access to their strongest weapon.

But then not only do the stolen bankais make the germans weaker... but apparently they knew the captians would figure out a way to get them back anyway. So then... why?

Stealing the bankais had literally no purpose. Both from a narrative perspective and within the story itself. No purpose whatsoever other than to just waste time.

>>85437

The only way you could diegetically justify 'just as planned, they got their Bankai back' is if it was a purely psychological thing - like, the original Quincy purges saw a lot of Quincies dying horribly to bankai, so even though these new and improved Quincies are actually stronger than it going up against it still freaks them out, so he concocted a plan to steal the bankai to keep it from causing shakiness and loss of morale in the ranks.

Of course, that's not what happened. And it wouldn't make sense with the type of super-iron fist control this guy has over his army. It was just a complete waste of time.

>>85442
I think Bach is going "just as planned" just like Aizen did back in the days. I could see that weird event actually making sense later. Maybe he was just gathering some fresh Daten about the zampakutou for instance. Who knows.

This was supposed to be a joke at the time it was edited...

Well look who's people now.

>>85507
I still believe the counterpart of his new form is that when he doesn't use it, he's a full doge, like his old man.

Really? He's indestructible in human form?

>>85579
he's half doge half Lich now

>>85579
Well he did rip his heart out of his body.
Everyone knows when you do that you become immortal and can only be hurt if someone finds your heart.

For some reason today's chapter drove it home:
I think a big part of why the action in Bleach stopped being compelling is that any attack can be a no sell.

Like, see this? A character's attack got turned back on her. There was a big explosion. Now she's falling out of it all burned and shit.

And it means NOTHING.

She could be mortally wounded or mildly frustrated or anything in between, and there's no way to tell except to wait and see.

Everyone does all these cool attacks and then they connect, at which point sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and you can never actually tell for at least half a chapter. It's the cheap thrill of "power level" bullshit where the best kind of villian is one who's so strong they never have to actually FIGHT.

So I'm assuming Kubo's gonna power through since he's trying to finish up while, One Piece and Naruto go on break until next year.

>>85672
I think the reason it stopped mattering is because we have fifty million people fighting fifty million more and you can tell all their stories within fifty chapters without removing most of it. Bleach is honestly something that's better in a visual medium. Also, it's better when there was no Soul society.

Sooner the series ends the better, put the poor thing out of its misery

>>85672
Yeah, I always did like it when the anime padded out fights with more fighting.
Makes them feel more engaging.

>>85672
The problem is that people like you read Bleach for something it never did well, aka battles. It doesn't even try to do it right to begin with.

>>85693
There is a very real problem with a book that consists of 90% battles but doesn't do them well or even try to.

It's why people would prefer it if Bleach was still the monster-of-the-day series. Or Bleach: Fashion Delinquents.

>>85693
>>85694

Eh, what I think Bleach does well is humor/downtime, and we still get that about maybe half the chapters. That's pretty much why I still read it.

>>85695
>we still get that about maybe half the chapters

I question your math.

This general should have been named who the fuck gives a shit because I sure don't.

>>85737
Also, I like how Soufon's broken fucking shiki is being ignored for plot convince.

This chapter makes me wonder.... what if Toofsy was sword? Like, since they were obliterating the shinigamis in SS, they needed to balance things up by removing the Quincies that were having trouble.
Of course, he was with Juha at the time, but who knows? Maybe it's part of his power.

Huh. That was exactly the drawback to Komamura's super mode I was expecting, I just wasn't expecting it so soon.

Rose has a cool looking power.

Too bad he couldn't shut the fuck up and just kill the guy.

Uuuuuugh oh my god WHO CARES. There's just so many of these Quincy dicks (Given the naming system, probably twenty fucking six!), and they're all LOL SO POWERFUL. Even when there was a bunch of timewasting fights in fake Karakura against non-Espada, at least there were only like six of them and there was no illusion that they were anything but cannon fodder for the small-fry Shinigami to show off against. This is just...so...WHO CARES.

At this rate this arc is never going to end.

>>85892
Kishimoto and Kubo are both trying to drag their shit out as long as possible it seems

I really like that the guy just got done explaining exactly what his power did and then nearly got killed for it. It's always annoyed me that everyone in Bleach does that during the fights.

>>85894
All of that shounen bullshit annoys me, either standing their and telling the guy exactly how your powers work or slowing down the action to have some guy in the background (Who isn't helping out because power levels) doing impromptu combat commenting on every attack.

>>85894
BEFORE he was done, even. Nice deal.

It occurs to me that this means he has no idea what Renji's response was. (And I have to admit, it was a pretty good entrance line)

Also HOW is the guy still breathing.

>>85904
I MEAN THAT'S LIKE A WHOLE STOMACH PLUG ON THE GROUND THERE.

I actually like elements of this fight quite a bit (A silly enemy that plays the hero, fighting against the "villain-looking" Shinigami characters). I mean, it's got humorous elements, and the fact that explaining how a power worked had disastrous consequences. Renji's line about "another villain" was pretty good. The major problem, I think, is that so much of the Quincy arc is so poorly written that I can't really enjoy this fight.

>>85931
Renji ruined everything, he's not a good character to have talk big and easily dispose of the opponents like that. In SS arc he had personal motivation, but he's not Ichigo, so going through that whole "olo nothing you do works" scenario just doesn't make it, and doesn't make him look cool, just annoying.

>>86016
Ichigo kinda sucks now though, he's unlikeable and just gets handed powers and is the one to be the most important solely because he's the MC of the manga out of universe.

>Yhwach named himself after the god of his people
>Yhwach named himself after YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah
Can someone pickup that phone?

So what does this boil down to, the heroic Japanese vs the West?

>>86568
japanese? where?

>>86569
The Shinigami and Soul Society would be Japan in this case.

They certainly aren't an internationally-active afterlife service. Its something thats been mentioned in previous Bleach generals.
Though less because it was done intentionally and more that Kubo doesn't follow through on the implications of his world-building.

>>86567
Still wondering how you go from the W in YHWH to Ba since I'm pretty sure the W is not supposed to be pronounced the German way but more like the Latin/English way.

>>86571
Its called Engrish for a reason

>mfw Orihimefags called me a pigheaded slutshamer for not liking her

... The fuck? I never said anything about her being promiscuous or that she deserves to be raped for having big tits, and I'm almost certain 99% of the other people who hate her do it because she's a terrible character like a lot of people in Bleach are, not because they actually think she's boffing the whole cast (you'd be an antifag on the same level of retardation if you actually do). Are her rabid fans really sinking to fauxminism to defend her or was there some bigger shitstorm involving a whole lot of legit misogyny I must have missed?

>>86571

Probably going from the YHVH version. V and B are interchangeable in Japanese.

So. The Quincies are literally Spirit Jews now. That sure is a thing.

>>86579
Spirit jews in a vaguely nazi-ish styling.

>>86574
Have you ever expressed a sentiment towards IchiRuki or Rukia in general that could be described as positive, or at least not entirely negative? If your answer is yes, then there you go. IchiHime shippers make even fujoshi seem tolerant and reasonable with the lengths they'll go to defend their OTP.

>>86574
>>86581
Is anyone even talking about that right now?

The whole letter = power doesn't match much with that new revelation. Does that mean the Yourself was already Bach's power to begin with? Or changing into a yelling giant gorilla? That description seems to oversimplify the thing. At least with the letter thing. Clearly some powers where originally in people and he got them latter when reintegrating their soul.

>>86728
More Rukia is good, but this fight really feels like it's gonna be her espada fight 2.0.

>>86733
That guy should have been named 'Kakashi'

Hah This is Free Form RP tier bullshit.

>>86747
Number 9 is easily explainable really: Final Getsuga Tenshou was the Ichigo version of Uryuu's sanrei glove removal from way back when he fought Mayuri. As Uryuu's ability then gave the ability to absolutely manipulate outer spirit power, Ichigo's gave him the ability to absolutely manipulate his internal spirit power.

The interesting question is whether he would have eventually come to that same state given enough time anyway, without having to deal with the burn out after the fight with Aizen. And another is whether that was his absolute limit or whether he's still growing. Because if FGT was just Ichigo's max power at that point...as a 17 year old kid with a couple years of spirit shenanigans under his belt...well, he's even more of a superbeast than previously thought. Like, it makes sense that the spirit king is interested in him.

>>86747
I am kind of pleasantly surprised by how much of the "hard part" was actually cool. The whole asauchi retcon's actually pretty damn cool, minus the part where it's a retcon.

Very informative graphic either way.

>>86747
That makes sense.

In a stupid kind of way.

>>86747
I lost it at the zoom shot. And the rainbow Ichigo.

Speaking of the Fullbring arc, I still say that pitting Byakuya against Facebook was some actually smart writing.
Yeah sure Facebook became Byakuya's best friend and most beloved mentor, but Byakuya don't give a fuck, he got the order to kill him and that's what he did.
Surprisingly competent on Kubo's part.

Rukia's new power up is pretty sweet. I just wish people weren't so fond of using "real" science to "prove" how a fantasy story is shit.

>>86923
Yeah, you don't need a scientific analysis to uncover Bleach's shittyness.

>>86923

You don't need to resort to science to know that being immune to fear because you're technically dead, even though the rest of your mental functions appear utterly unchanged, is silly. You just need some common sense.

>>86929
dead is a physical state so no it's not silly. People are just overly obtuse for the sace of their Bleach hate maymay

>dead is a physical state so no it's not silly.
And fear is a mental sensation, not a physical one. And since she's obviously still completely mentally cognizant, her explanation that she can't feel fear because her physical body is really really cold doesn't make a goddamn lick of sense.

Rukia went full Ham with that logic... Ken Ham*.

*(for those of you who caught the debate last night)

>>86931
>>People are just overly obtuse for the sace of their Bleach hate maymay
Are you an idiot?

>>86931

A physical state that appears to have no other effect on her mental functions. You can't say the cold makes her unable to feel fear without answering why she can feel anything else, or can think at all.

>>86934
>A physical state that appears to have no other effect on her mental functions.

Not to beat a dead horse here (or a cold but otherwise functioning horse), but Rukia wasn't even in a physical state of death. No definition of death that I can find refers to body temperature or specific degrees of coldness. Death is defined as a ceasing of bodily functions. None of which Rukia suffered from in any capacity. Moving around, thinking, talking, i.e. doing the exact opposite of what any accepted definition of deah actually means.

This might be hands down one of the stupidest explanations of a powerup I've ever seen. I hate to use the phrase "ass pull", as it's become a catchall for "plot point I didn't like", but this is absolutely an ass pull. Actually no, this isn't an asspull. An asspull would be coming up with a completely new power out of the blue. Changing the established definition of a basic word to get your character out a situation is even worse than that. This was an ass shove.

I am someone who LOVES Rukia and am not particularly highly educated but even I recognised the mechanics of this dealie to be total nonsense just from thinking about it a little. It is not even a satisfying show of new strength from someone in the series you like because of how silly the writing of it is.

>>86929
>>86931
>>86935
As someone who eats up paranormal internal logic, I thought it was damn interesting and cool. Here's how I interpreted it:

-Rukia's new power is the ability to reduce her body temperature as far as absolute zero.
-Rukia is using magic (reishi) to selectively prevent various negative consequences of this, e.g. dying of full-body frostbite.

She probably barely even needs a sword in this state. Just being directly touched by something that's absolute zero could shatter most physical objects, or so I imagine.

The fear thing also made sense to me. Fear and anger are two of the most physical emotional reactions (people with back injuries that leave them numb below neck/upper torso sometimes report no longer "feeling" angry) and Rukia's body is basically cryogenically frozen at this moment. You could say she's emotionally numb.

Only quibble I had was that Hitsugaya probably wants his schtick back.

>>86942

But that make any sense to me. Why does cryo-freezing your body in such a way that you're still conscious stop you from feeling the emotion of fear? It's not explained in terms of body chemistry or anything, she's just super-cold, why does that protect her from what is essentially a psychic attack? If she was so cold that her cells couldn't be attacked by the goop that causes his fear-spell, they should have said so, not this nonsense that it brings her close to death therefore fearless?

>>86944
Bear in mind that Fear is the literal name of this guy's technique, i.e. the black stuff he managed to hit her with at the end of last chapter. In this chapter he bragged that Fear didn't need an open wound to seep into her system- "a simple touch is enough for it to seep in and spread".

So, you know, it's a magical power that works like a poison, named after the effect of said poison. And/or it's literally the abstract concept manifesting as a tangible force because that's generally what magic *is*. The whole conversation on fear is being written so you can interpret it as a discussion on the abstract concept or an analogy explaining the magic power as a boast.

>>86946
Also, with that in mind my speculation on her being "emotionally numb" is probably mistaken.

>>86946

That would make sense if not for the pages of this douche pseudo-philosophizing on the relationship between fear and life, and the fact that Rukia framed her new powers in those terms - not as an immunity to poison, but an inability to feel fear. You can't even say that she framed it that way as a response to his philosophizing, putting it in his terms even though the truth is different, because she brings up an inability to feel fear BEFORE he started dribbling at the mouth.

It's just stupid bullshit chez Kubo. Not exactly a shocking development.

>>86950
>You can't even say that she framed it that way as a response to his philosophizing
No, that's exactly what she did. It happened on the last couple pages of the previous chapter.

>black stuff gets on rukia, she stops moving.
>Villian says "you can't move, can you? That's 'Fear'."
>"...This is Fear?"
>"That's right."
>"Then I guess Fear doesn't work on me."

The whole thing's a little harder to sell in English. I can try to explain why if you actually want to know.

Seriously this make sense if you consider Bleach has the concept of soul going on.

>>86954

That's exactly what I'm talking about. She already reached the conclusion that being dead made her immune to fear independently of his FEAR IS LIFE horse shit. And that's stupid. And no, there's no indication in that panel that she's referring to fear the toxin as opposed to fear the emotion. Quite the opposite, actually, talking about capability makes much more sense when talking about emotion.

I'm not saying that you can't twist it into something that makes sense. I'm saying that as presented, it doesn't. It's just more stupid Bleach shit, case closed.

>>86956
The whole thing falls apart when you realise Kubo just fucking forgot that none of the shinigami are physical beings. That is their whole premise: they are ghosts who come back to the world of the living to guide the dead to Soul Society and fight Hollows, the ghosts of people who stayed attached to the mortal world too long. Shinigami must possess dummy bodies in order to become physical beings for a period of time, unless you're Ichigo, who still has a living body. There's no disassociation between Rukia's soul and her body; her body is her soul, literally. She doesn't have cells. She doesn't have body chemistry. She doesn't any molecules to freeze.

>>86963
Man Kubo doesn't know what the fuck his shinigami are, his world building is substandard.

They can eat and bleed and get sick and all sorts of other living being activities, hell I wouldn't be surprised if they were revealed to be able to get pregnant somehow.
Sometimes they are just spiritual humans who are invisible and can walk on air when in the real world.

>none of the shinigami are physical beings.
but they are. You aren't really good with that whole "dimensions" thing,right? Jsut because they are intangible in the living world doesn't mean they are in their own. Actually it's clear that they are perfectly physical in their dimension. "Kubo is too stupid becauseI"m a retard" is the lowest, yet most common excuse you guys have to be angry in every Bleach thread ever. This is the shitty maymay I was talking about earlier. You are lazy to argument and thing every chapter is independent of the story so you just indulge yourself into shitty rants like that one, backed up with your own hate and nothing else.

>>86966
Stop misspelling meme you retard.

>>86966
If you read the beginning of Bleach again, the things I said were explicit or heavily implied. He had rules for his world originally, but he has gradually thrown them all out the window. The "only humans have physical bodies" thing was actually maintained up to the arc with the Fullbringers, though he might broken it before during Hueco Mundo or something and I've just forgotten how many times he forgot.

"Bleach's worldbuilding is highly inconsistent" isn't even an opinion, it's just a fact. And if you haven't noticed that at all, are we reading the same comic?

Sage because I know this is a troll, I'm just responding to it because I'm bored

>>86962
>And no, there's no indication in that panel that she's referring to fear the toxin as opposed to fear the emotion. Quite the opposite, actually, talking about capability makes much more sense when talking about emotion.
Put it this way: When the manga puts fear in quote marks, that is an addition by the translator to signal that the alternate interpretation is possible. Same with me capitalizing the F. In Japanese, the two interpretations are possible (and readily evident) by default. Every single time someone said "fear" in both chapters, it was likely written the exact same way.

>>86971

You do realize that you're arguing that Rukia has been punning nonstop throuout this entire scene with a completely straight face, right? Because that is the most generous possibility way of reading the scene according to your interpretation.

Stop carrying Kubo's water for him. Shit's stupid, it doesn't need defending.

how observant are you?

Yeah I'm kinda with Dagda on this.
She pretty explicitly said that she was essentially manually controlling every molecule that composed her, as otherwise they'd be completely still from being lowered to Absolute Zero, and in doing so, his toxin couldn't do shit.
Even if she was referring to actual fear, as opposed to F - The "Fear", it could be said that she was simply choosing not to feel it since she's literally manually controlling every single reaction her body undergoes at the moment.
Like yeah Kubo's a pretty shit writer but I don't think this is as much a problem as you guys are acting like.

Just to put this ridiculous debate to rest once and for all, I looked up the raw for the page in question. Here's Rukia's line:

Kanji: ”恐怖”が通じぬ事は貴様にとって”恐怖か”？
Romaji: "Kyoufu" ga tsuujinu koto ni totte "kyoufuka"?

The verb used is 'tsuujinu'. Although the translators have rendered this as "not capable of fear", this is inserting a potential double meaning into the sentence that is not at all present in the original japanese. Tsuuji, with a nu ending which indicates that it's being used as a verb in negation, means 'understanding'.

(Also, apparently, 'bowel movement', but it's pretty safe to say from context that that's not the intended meaning)

In other words, a better accurate translation of the line would go something like this: 'Perhaps "fear" for you is something which does not understand "fear"?'

(and before anyone can say it: no, the fact that kyoufu is in quotation marks there means absolutely nothing. Manga authors put words in quotation marks for random emphasis, you might as well try to read into the randomly bolded words in many comics)

Tsuujinu is not a verb one would use to describe the efficacy of a poison, it simply doesn't make sense. It does, however, make sense when talking about emotions like fear. Thus, Kubo is stupid and Dagda looks silly for extensively giving him the benefit of the doubt. QED.

>>87000
that's flashy, but I don't see any realy reason to go fro your translation to "lol in the end it's stupid because I tell you so". You are just hidding it under half assed cherry picked explaination and the fact most people will not understand the source anyway so you can distort it all you want.

Yep, you've got it anon, Dude's part of the anti-Kubo ~conspiracy~

>>87000
Are you sure it doesn't mean 'bowel movement'?

>>87004
Its the government keeping the kubotite down, a dark conspiracy which includes taking his work after it leaves his hands and erasing the backgrounds & editing his plot writing so it is terrible and makes no sense all so One Piece can be the Hokage of shounen manga.

>>87001

>>87000
So I don't even read Bleach, but let me see if I got this right: she's saying the guy's biggest "fear" might be someone who doesn't feel "fear"? That makes sense if his big deal is causing fear or something like that.

>>87009

Correct. What's stupid is WHY she can't feel fear.

>>87010
but that reason matches the definition given during the chapter.

Are you prepared for the guy who should be dead to stroll in and totally steal his sister's hype?

Not even with complete bullshit powerups can she do shit on her own, clearly worst girl.

Will admit this, dude looked sufficiently horrifying.

>>87125
Oh, I bet you feel dumb now.

This chapter was pretty nonsensical and pointless, but at least we get to know Rukia's bankai name now. Will we see it next week? I hope so, but I dount it somehow. Kubo would have shown it as a cliffhanger like he did with Renji. He's just building up the mystery a little more this week, and probably next week.

>Kubo creates a technique that allows him to skip out on even drawing foregrounds, much less backgrounds
Incredible.

>>86931
>hate maymay

Pft hahaha I thought only the john k. shitposter in /co/ used that.

>>87285
In bleach it's better to consider the "real world", HM and SS as dimensions than concept of "life" and "death". Ghosts are a state of soul in the "living world" only, before it's sent either in HM or SS. It's like, an unstable phase after a living body in the living world dies.