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No. 179365
>>179341 >unsupported assumption
Sales numbers are not support? Documented opinions of THOUSANDS of people are not support?
Just in case, referring to this: >the vast majority of videogames that are considered good (either by a large group or by enthusiasts) do qualify as games
This isn't just my opinion. Many other people share it, whether explicitly or not. The evidence is EVERYWHERE. What videogames are regarded as great, by popular vote, or by sales, or by opinion of enthusiasts?
Most of those videogames are something one would call a 'game'. This is not an opinion, it is an observable fact.
>Games are a whole variety of things, acting along all sorts of dimensions of interactivity, narrative, visual design, etc etc etc. And that diversity is a good thing. There is no one standard for how a game should be, and there shouldn't be.
You can make a great movie, or a great novel, or a great comic book, but neither of those things are games. Neither of those should be regarded as games, no matter what label their creator wants for them. Neither of them should be judged as games, because they are a different thing.
Because they are a different thing, they do not get to influence by what standards we judge a game.
The term 'videogame' does not NEED to be inclusive towards everything. Different froms of media are not people; differentiating between them by use of labels is not some act of evil.
If you make a good movie but call it a videogame, it is entirely correct to call it a bad videogame, because you made a movie but called it something else. People may even enjoy your work for what it actually is, but demanding that the criteria for judgment of a medium be changed just because you decided to pass off one thing as something else is stupid stupid STUPID.
If someone wrote a novel with a picture here and there and then claimed it was a comic book, comic book enthusiasts would call them out on that nonsense. They would not change what 'comic book' means. They would not go "maybe we should change how we judge comics to accomodate this 'different form of comic that is mostly text' so it can still be considered a good comic book".
To make sure you don't read some sort of universal dismissal of 'not-games' into my post:
Visual Novels are usually not videogames (though they can be); this does not mean they are generally crap. It means that they should not be judged as videogames, because they would be shit games if judged by those standards. If you read a good interactive electronic novel and then think "this sure was a good videogame" that would just be dumb.
Why should we strip the term videogame of any meaning? Why should it include 'games' and not-'games'? Why should we consider a 'game' videogame the same thing as an 'interactive storytelling experince' videogame or an electronic novel?
>>179355 >I see retards accidentally telling the truth without understanding it, that means it cannot be the truth!
Don't be that way.
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