isn't that guy just a stupid dough head?

>PS4 looks to be another giant waste of money with no games
>Xbox potentially royally fucking up
>lol WiiU
Yep; time to go back to the PC masterrace. The past two generations were fun and all, but fuck this shit.

>>172013
>lol WiiU
That's not fair. You gave the other ones decent excuses.

>>172013
I'll be putting in some upgrades on my main rig next month; nothing amazing, but I'll be able to play PC games for a few years yet. My next console purchase will be an XBox 360.

I still have a hundred+ backlog of games spanning the Gamecube, Wii, PS2/1, PC, GameBoy Advance, DS, 3DS, and various DS/WiiWare titles. Unless something absolutely fucking amazing comes out, it looks like I'll be skipping this gaming generation, which I haven't done since I bought my N64 a decade and a half ago.

Though I will buy a Wii U if that Xenoblade-ish game turns out to be a true sequel.

PS3 = Caesar
PS4 = Octavian
PSV = Marc Antony
Wii = Pompey
WiiU = Cleopatra
3DS = Brutus
360 = Vercingetorix
Durango = Marcus Lepidus

>>172015
>>172013
PCs from 5 years ago still run games well. Wait until 4K becomes affordable to upgrade.

I dig through board specs to find a board that can support new stuff but doesn't have integrated garbage. Current one once I switch the tower if I can get a better job can handle AM3+ up to the eight core models and 32 GB Ram and Can Crossfire but if the Cross Processing works it may not even need a crossfire rig and Two 3GB 7900s might be overkill anyway.

>>172016
Yeah, but I want to run on higher quality. My PC struggles with Bioshock Infinite on Medium, so by pushing my graphics card and SSD I should be able to get a few good years out of her yet.

I don't know who this Orthy fellow is, but he sounds like the biggest tool in the shed.

>>172025
He's the Creative Director or something like that for the XBox brand.

>>172026
Doubtfully for much longer...

I've never even heard of this schmuck before, but WOW what a pigheaded prat.

Neither of my airplanes are connected to the internet.

Clearly, this is a handicap.

>The mobile reception in the area I live in is spotty and unreliable. I will not buy a mobile phone.

You know what I did for that?
Used a different company.

Hint hint fucking hint.

>>172044
You're missing out on a huge revenue source.
1) Jack your airplanes into the internet
2a) Let people pay to use their joysticks for short romps with the plane from their own home
2b) Let people at home take over flying the plane while you're on a long trip to let you sleep
3) ???
4) FBI/FAA investigation!

>>172055
Yeah, and the 65% of America that doesn't have broadband access from ANY company should just move! It's not like the vast majority of people who live in those areas can't afford to move at the drop of a hat or anything.

>>172014
I shouldn't need to because it has the exact same problems the Wii does: No games, outdated hardware, and for all its self proclaimed "inovations" it just constantly repackages the same shit year after year.

>>172058
The Wii has lots of games. Many of them games that were not only not repackaged versions of earlier games, but games that introduced gameplay concepts that had never even been attempted before, and pulled them off well.

Incidentally, I'd be interested to hear what games you consider to be good examples of games that aren't just the same repackaged shit over and over again on PS3 and Xbox 360. I thought everyone with any sense understood that the majority of the big sellers on any system are going to be sequels, remakes, and clones.

Ha ha wow fuck this guy

>>172061
>Diablo III & Sim City
Oh God, that just occured to me. Imagine not being able to play ANY GAMES on your Xbox every time a big new release comes out and everyone goes online all at once.

>>172061
Allegedly, that Manveer Heir dude is friends with Adam Orth and that exchange specifically was moreso just a back and forth, them messing with each other and stuff.

That being said, dude still doesn't have a good argument for the pro-"always online" thing. I don't think anyone can have a good argument for that.

>>172062
Oh shit, that never occurred to me, either. Has any game where "multiplayer"/"always on" been a feature ever had a smooth launch? At least with things like Call of Battlefield: Reach Around you have the option to play the single-player campaign while you wait for servers to open up.

>>172069
>been a feature
And by that, I mean "been a requirement/core part of the game".

>>172061
>>171992
This dude sounds like a terrible person.

>>172061
Forget the shed, this guy is the biggest tool in the hardware store.

Not sure why people here would care about the nextbox.

>>172061
>Why would I live there

Oh. Oh my holy eternal God.
The stupidity. The overwhelming stupidity. I simply cannot. This is something I can, in fact, not.

>>172068
>Allegedly, that Manveer Heir dude is friends with Adam Orth and that exchange specifically was moreso just a back and forth, them messing with each other and stuff.
And they assumed the best way to have this little in joke conversations was to put it where everyone could see it?
Do people not realize what Twitter even is?

>>172083
Not just twitter; it's surprising how many people work with the internet as part of their job yet can't comprehend that the internet doesn't forget. Never.

>>172056
You know, you're right. I bet I could market this to a lot of Right-wing militias as an affordable means of Drone strike.

>>172061
Condescend in public, potentially offending customers.

Great job! I'd still like to see an argument as to why I, a games consumer, benefits in any tangible way by having to utilize the internet to play a game made for singleplayers, like Fallout.

Another thing: What if I were a parent? What if my kid liked taking his system to friends houses for sleep overs (Like we all did, no doubt)? How would the requirement for an internet connection affect that? What if you're an ADULT that likes fucking doing that?

Putting all of your eggs in one basket, mang.

>>172061
>suddenly remembering Ice Storm 98.
Fifteen years ago I spent a month without electricity in the flashfrozen hell of Coastal Maine, with nothing but Golden Eye and a gas generator for company.

The idea that game consoles need constant internet connection in addition to electricity always being on, I just.. this is the absolutely fucking angrifying. These selfish god damned top-down suits and their Nannycorp fucking agenda.

>>172104
B-but muh piracy..!

>>172105
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A PLANE.
yes you would

Also I just realized with 3d printers it may be possible to someday download a car. Jesus christ technology stahp

>>172104
OH MAN FUCKING 98, You don't know terror till you see an 80 year old man's who is trying to salvage a picture frame from his ruined house but he gives up crying since it's too frozen to the table.

>>172104

You know who's responsible right?

>>172106
I've been hearing about these things but how do they work? Presumably they can't build the electrical bits, just the structure?

>>172113
The Patriots?

>>172106
>Also I just realized with 3d printers it may be possible to someday download a car.
There's still the matter of obscene cost for the "ink".

>>172121
>Presumably they can't build the electrical bits, just the structure?

The 3D printers people are actually starting to use for practical purposes all just use plastic, but ones that make objects out of metal do exist.

If the next Xbox actually *doesn't* have always on DRM, I'm going to think they likely did this on purpose to gauge the public's response before getting too far into the design to change it. I'd consider it a better move than how the people developing Windows 8 responded to beta testers hacking the start menu back in.

>>I'd consider it a better move than how the people developing Windows 8 responded to beta testers hacking the start menu back in.

Having their families killed?

>>172129
The "new coke" technique without actually making the "new coke"?

>>172141
That's not that good of an analogy, though. In all taste tests, New Coke was considered superior to Classic. However, when they brought it to market, the backlash was massive because the flavor of Classic was associated with so many memories and an expectation that people had.

A technology analogy would be people hating CDs because they were so attached to their cassettes.

>>172152

Which really doesn't WORK with technology cause, well...

It's technology. Generally you can tell when something is objectively better than it's predecessor.

Unless it's the case of a different input variable like how tiles work great for touchpads but not so great for mouses.

>>172123
>greedy corporations equal jewish conspiracy

Oh socialists, you so silly.

>PissStation4
We got better graphics and that there touch pad thing you kids seem to like so much. Also you'll probably be needing to mortgage your house again to buy our console. Games? What the shit are these "games" you keep talking about?

>Wii-eww
We have no idea who we're trying to market this thing to, so have some bad current gen ports to our next gen system running current gen hardware. Is that "Hardcore" enough for you? Inter-what now? Also you fuckers have been buying the same game for the past two decades, we're pretty sure you morons will do it again.

>Xbot420(blaze it faggot!)
"Always on" internet. Your connection goes out or you don't feel like paying $60+ for our internet services? Lol fuck you enjoy your brick! Also we'll probably have DRM and games will be download only, but PS4 is maybe doing that too, so don't get too mad bro at least we'll have some games. Maybe? Oh sorry, you're an indie developer? Suck a fat one and go AAA or go home!

>Steam(ing) Box thing
It's your PC! But smaller (and rendered irrelevant with current gen TVs). When will it be released? Who knows, we sure as hell don't!

>>172175
How did your moronic ass find its way here?

>>172127
In addition, while I'm not aware of consume models, you can "print" PCB boards. From there it's a matter of printing the plane pieces (which has already been done, at least for models: http://www.geek.com/news/3d-printed-aircraft-successfully-takes-flight-1523821/), ordering the custom boards, and adding the necessary chips/transistors and connection wiring.

Yeah, it's not exactly a "Plane while you wait!", but we're moving closer. As 3D printers continue to expand, we'll likely see more "cartridges" so it can switch between metal and plastic, perhaps even forming the wiring within a device as it prints. At some point Amazon is going to partner with trinket companies and offer a one-time-use plan download for a 3D printer so you can create your own trinkets without having to buy them. The overall cost will be more expensive at first, but scales of economy will take over...

Actually, a more likely (or at least sooner available) scenario is that you order something for local pickup from Home Depot, which has a section of 3D printers running, and they print the item on site. It saves a ton of money in shipping and stocking because they don't have to have items on hand "just in case"; even if they have to have the plastic shipped in from somewhere it can be moved much more efficiently than a bunch of individually packaged items.

>>172175

> Also you'll probably be needing to mortgage your house again to buy our console.

Please don't tell me you buy into that garbage about PS4 costing 900 dollars.

>>172070
>>172069
Some MMOs?

But when my internet is slow or down that's when I play games.

This death of the offline singleplayer makes me sad, guys.

>>172176
Moronic as he is, he does hit upon the concerns with each offering. Perhaps more disturbing than the PS4's pretensions as the rich man's idiot box, is Sony's seeming fundamental misunderstanding of its' customer base. This is arguably the issue with all the traditional console contenders right now.

Sony has a red carpet club that's strangely empty once you get inside. 360 feels increasingly like a strip club; even the most gorgeous games seem like they need a case worker and the ATM constantly overcharges you while you hang around various nefarious and questionable types (of all ages!) as everything around you feels more exploitative and grasping at your money over trivial stuff that used to be part of a complete game. Wii-U is Chuckie Cheese's; yeah they have some genuinely fun stuff in the back corner by the skeeball, but the mechanical animal band and the giant touchpad and motion controls are really kind of weird and tbqh any realistic interpretation of the mascot would not be allowed within 500 feet of children and you shouldn't really be within 500 feet of this place you grown-ass man-child.

I actually think Steam, even with potential vaporware, is the strongest contender. Installing the pc as the centerpiece to the home theater system could be a stroke of genius if they keep it open and friendly to indie and developers in general.

>>172214
Aye. Valve, so far, recognizes the power of freedom. They're a business, sure, but they're capitalist artists.

Thinking back to the mid-late 90s, all the kids that teethed on making video game maps for Quake, Doom, Counterstrike.. I have to question the state of the industry and the recreational gaming/hacker community without these freely available opportunities, incentives and environments that today are built on the ones from two decades ago.

>>172214
>I can't stand DRM.
>I want Steam to replace consoles.

>>172217
Generally when people say that, they mean "obtrusive DRM." Steam doesn't make you go through a process every time you install or run a game, and consolidates all the verification into infrequent checks, doesn't force people to be online to play their games, and isn't as prone to catastrophic failure as other forms of DRM. Steam makes it easy to buy and play your games, and making games harder to buy and play (and thereby giving legitimate customers a worse product than pirates get) is what most people hate about DRM. It does grind my gears a little that companies still see policing the people who actually give them money as a wise and justifiable thing to do, but I am willing to compromise when they make good faith efforts to make it painless.

But I assume you already knew that and are just being Moe.

>>172218
To be fair, Steam's offline mode didn't work properly for years. You had to be online to go offline. It was utterly retarded.

>>172200
900?
No, but I'm willing to bet it will cost at least $600 like the last one.

>>172217
Did not actually say I had a problem with DRM. >>172218 has the right idea though. It's not DRM itself that bugs, and Steam would have an advantage over other consoles in leveraging the idea that, if your profile holds across all platforms, you can take your games that you've purchased anywhere and play them anywhere else. DRM after a fashion, yes, but not such that it hampers its' games with critical flaws. I don't mind this sort of DRM so long as I have relative freedom to use the product I purchased where I please. "Always online" is a conceptual problem a lot of companies are facing now, because you are always online
, it's just that not all connections or individual circumstances are created equal. I don't mind paying for my games to be held in a cloud somewhere so long as I can access those games when I want.

I'm more concerned with the moving up of release cycles to 1 year, the additions of on-disc DLC we have to pay for, and generally just the outsourced mess and seedy design decisions becoming industry standard practice. Steam may have its' rough patches but it's one of the oldest and most tested OL distribution platforms, and Valve one of the most respected developers and industry entities. I am more than willing to give them a shot, especially if they can put forth an impressive hardware rig. And even if they don't give it a shot, hell, they might win anyway, seeing as how video game consoles these days are little better than computers hooked up to your TV anyhow. My computer is hooked up to my television right now, the only thing that regularly stops me from playing steam is that I have to do manual setup on the controller for a lot of games (yeah I know my gaming wants are a bit idiosyncratic).

>>172219
I didn't use it in the first few years. Never been much of a PC gamer. But I've been playing some indie titles (and Civ) lately, and since I started using it I find it largely unobjectionable. Its history doesn't really interest me much since it works now, whether or not it did at first.

>>172221

Even though Sony has repeatedly said they're trying to make sure it doesn't?

Also this is my opinion:

Phones and Vacuum Cleaners RELY on electricity or satellite signals to work.

You can bet your bum if they could create a functional vacuum cleaner or cellphone that didn't require you to plug it in or consume power, or use a phone that required all hubs to be working and for you to be in a location with it being relevant then NOBODY would see the point in having an electricity or signal powered cellphone or vacuum cleaner. Everyone who could afford it would instantly jump ship to this miracle technology.

Games? When do games REQUIRE you to be online? MMO games with big-expansive worlds? Maybe.

Any others? ... nope. Yes a lot of games have online capability as a SELLING POINT. But cutting the option for you to fucking use one offline when it logically should be there and possible is just insane.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/04/10/following-twitter-tirade_2c00_-microsoft-designer-adam-orth-has-been-fired.aspx
>Game Informer has learned from sources close to the matter that Orth is no longer with Microsoft.

>>172322
That url isn't working because they changed it:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/04/10/following-twitter-tirade_2c00_-microsoft-designer-adam-orth-resigns.aspx

it's now "resigns"

>lol @ corporate double speak

IGN News - Next Xbox Could 'Ta…

>>172324
>Xbox may be trying to do a whole lot of shit I don't give two shits about and I would most likely have to pay for it to get access to basic online features
Godamnit this is why I didn't buy a PS4. I don't care about cable TV or all this shit. I just want to play vidya, chat, and maybe watch netflix.

>>172337
>I just want to play vidya, chat, and maybe watch netflix.

You can do this on literally every next gen platform, even the 3DS and Vita.

http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/04/rumor-next-xbox-launch-titles-include.html

Content Patch - April 12th, 20…

>>172341
I know
I'm saying that's all I care about and I don't see the point in having to pay for dozens of other features I'll never use. Hell I don't even need Netflix on it anymore now that I have a spare laptop I plugged into my TV.

>>172523
w...what is this saying?

>>172531
Imagine, if you will, having a console that REQUIRED to be online at all times for it to do, really anything. Now imagine the times where that requirement simply can't be met. Not of any fault of yours, but of theirs...

>>172061

Nice psychological analysis of always online defenders:

http://www.psychologyofgames.com/2013/04/the-availability-heuristic-is-always-on/

More Durango rumors from an anonymous source. As always, take it with a heavy grain of salt:

http://pastebin.com/avbwJc17

>Durango will NOT require internet access to play games
>No HMD glasses yet
>VGLeaks specs are true
>Every Durango ships with a Xbox 360 SOC, making Durango 100% BC and more powerful
>D-pad has been improved, but looks the same
>Xbox Mini/Xbox TV is happening
>Durango will be running Windows 8
>Windows app store games will be playable on Durango
>"In other words, any random person worldwide can pay Microsoft a $60 license fee (for the Windows Store) and submit their app/game to the store where millions of people can then download/buy it. No expensive development kits needed."

VGLeaks are here:

http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durango-unveiled-2/
http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-gpu-2/

>>172667
Looks nice. Especially the last part.

>>172667
>Durango will be running Windows 8
wrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyy
However, being able to play apps from the Windows App store might help indie devs. On the other hand, why the fuck wouldn't I just buy a PC at this point?

>Windows 8
>Not always on-line

It's still the worst but for entirely different reasons.

That last part really is wonderful though.

My understanding is that the only real difference between 7 and 8 was interface... which shouldn't matter on xbox because it'll be different anyway.

>>172686
It's a fucking nightmare on just about every level, Interface is just what makes it impossible to deal with everything else.

It has been a disaster since the first reviews and consumer reports, businesses who had converted lost money fast and hard the damage done still having a visible dent, they literally cannot give it away and it has the largest hand in the economic downturn of the already flailing PC market.

It has been an absolute living nightmare for every business, every user, Microsoft themselves, the Stock market, a fiscal cancer and much worse a tower of babel for business.

>>172689
okay so...

what is actually wrong with it?

>>172689
Not every user. The only complaints I have about it are that the Start Screen and Metro apps work better on a touch screen than a regular screen, and shutting down takes a few more clicks than it used to. And when I use it on my Surface Pro instead of my desktop, the interface is a delight.

8 is still just as fast and stable as Windows 7 was for me (and I in no way run a top of the line computer. I barely run a "not underpowered" computer), and if it's less secure, I certainly haven't noticed it--nor has any increase in security been noticeable. And unnoticeable security is good security.

It's also been agreed on by pretty much everyone that the copy window is a huge improvement over previous versions.

>>172691
It's a touch screen-like interface on a PC, where you can't actually touch anything. That's the biggest problem with Windows 8. It wants to hop on the tablet train with apps and shit, but doesn't realize apps are desktops are unnecessary. It's makes everything more complicated then it should be, because you can't swipe and touch anything like you would on a tablet.

It's so bad that MS is now bringing back old functions like the start button back:

http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows-8-plan-blue-bring-back-the-start-button-boot-to-desktop-7000014075/

>>172697
>>172693

...So yeah, like I said, it's just 7 with a shittier interface. Which the Xbox won't have because the interface is always different for a console. So again I ask: what is the issue?

>>172698
Change is scary.

>>172698
Consoles have always been about simplicity, until this last generation. You pop a game in, you play. No downloading, putting in codes, dealing with excess programs, etc. The Big 3 have been expanding that more and more; downloadable games and playing DVDs and such were cool, but then they started doing patches to games, multiplayer games with codes, etc. We've moved far away from the "pop and play" thing that used to set console gaming apart from PC gaming.

So if Durango is going to run off of Windows 8, then why would I bother with the console when I can get a PC that will likely be at least twice as powerful, if not more, for the same price? If they're coding for Windows 8 XBox Edition, it won't be hard to port to Windows 8 Home Edition.

>>172701
XBox has always run on DirectX API though. So it's always been really easy to port from XBox to PC. But yeah, I'm sure this will be the generation when console-game makers finally decide that writing to account for all the hardware variables that PCs are subject to that consoles aren't is worth it just because the idiom with which you launch games and apps is the same as the ARM-only version of Windows.

>>172702
I'm not saying it will make the developers change. I'm saying that why, as a consumer, would I care for the Durango? The vast majority of games for the 360 are already ported to PC, and if Durango runs off of Win8 that will only make it more likely to put a PC port out, not less, so I have even fewer games that will be Durango only.

Furthermore, as the majority of computer-related companies look to the phone and tablet, computer hardware doesn't take the leaps and bounds that it did in the late 90s and early 00s; this means that there's less of an overhead to PC development. And, with a PC, I will likely have far more control over it and can use it for other tasks compared to the Durango, which will likely be a kludged version of Win8.

So, as a consumer, I see no use in the Durango. If the reportedly built-in Kinect actually works well this time for games that don't begin with "Dance Central", then it might be of interest, but otherwise it's just a locked down--and likely overpriced--PC.

I have a windows 8 phone.
The apps are generally worthless.

>The latest suggestion that the Xbox 720 will require an internet connection to play and will not play second hand games comes from David Connolly, managing director at Xing Interactive.

>We spoke to Connolly about the the decline of physical retail, and asked how next-gen could affect this already problematic market.

>"We hear different things from the two big players," Connolly told us in an interview. "Sony are actively asking for more retailers “past, present and new” to help them support their next PS launch."

>Connolly suggests that Sony is being far more open with its approach to the PS4 than Microsoft, who is not looking to accept a wider retailer market if at all possible.

>"I have spoken to sources close to Microsoft on the other hand who insist that the next Xbox will not be compatible with second hand, will require permanently on connection, and 'you’ll have to go through Microsoft to do anything'."

>Connolly adds: "So that would not be good news! Maybe another reason to support PC publishers can I say?!"

>Discussing a potentially digital-only future - and its important on the sector that Xing Interactive primarily targets - Connolly adds that it could only be Microsoft that will cause problems.

>"There could be a big issue on consoles with one of the big players going their own way," said Connolly. "An independent retailer put it this way 'Microsoft will still make a profit out of Xbox. As for the rest of us, tough titty'.

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1897054/next_xbox_will_not_be_compatible_with_second_hand.html

>>172963
As always; sad if true.
On the upside I will have saved myself lots of dosh giving this next generation a pass.

>>172966
If Sony can live up to half it's promises I'm pretty certain I'll be getting a PS4. I really hope they don't disappoint me like they did with the vita. (Which I want but have no reason to get.)

>>172969
If one of those promises is playing PS2 games then yes. Hell their current console plays PS1 games so why don't we keep the ridiculous pattern going?

http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/26/4268782/next-xbox-drm-achievements-live

Wow, it's the same as the PS4. Next gen hype slowly diminishing.

It's looking more like this next generation is just using the lure of video games to try and make consumers complacent with the always-on DRM aspect of what they're doing. If you want to play the games, you have to conform to the expectations and rules and agency of the parent companies.

These companies *really* want to try and be the everything. They want to be the youtube channel you upload your gameplay to and share with friends, they want to be your facebook, they want to be your movies and music entertainment center, they want to take that niche in your life. And then, as that niche you're married to, tell you when, how and what you can do with that stuff you bought. More importantly, tell you what you can and can't do with it, and have justifiable reason to make sure you aren't trying to utilize the data in any way they don't agree with. The video games and the industry itself does not matter to them, because it's becoming more and more apparent they're just the candy coating over the bitter medicine.

How about Nintendo? Have they done any of the draconian shit lately?

>>173241
The cynic in me is thinking, "Did Microsoft change their Xbox console to match the PS4?"

>>173241
I'm still hyped for the PS4. Publishers choose second hand or not and Publishers choose DRM or not is very different. The only thing that could get me unhyped would be if all the games were shit and then it had "NO GAEMS" syndrome vita and Wii U STILL HAVE. If I can't get a second hand copy I'll just wait till the price is down and get it. Nothing really changes for me except when I get it.

>>173250
I'm waiting for more game announcements, but it does look promising. Dedicated share button is kinda silly, but whatever I just won't use it.

>>173251
I forgot about it. I actually might use it because me and my friend get into competitions but so long as it's just it's not shoved down our throats it's fine.

>>173246
Most consumer devices are trying to be multi-purpose nowadays. They'll sell like shit if they can't do more than just a few things at once.
>>173247
After reading up on the leaks, I'm certain their were corparate spies in each camp. Sony and Microsoft's basic core strategy is to at least have parity with each other. This is why the 360/PS3 slowly added each other's features with time, why they both made motion controllers to eat into the Wii's market, and why they both have 3D cameras on their next-gen systems.

This is also, might I add, the most boring strategy ever.

I feel like X-box is a complete parasite system and I always have.

When it preforms best is when it's doing things the others aren't like Gears of War and Halo which while being shooters were fairly innovative until they became the bog standard.

I actually like the X-box a lot but I feel like bog standard is their mission statement.

>>173254
It's really kind of funny when you hear that the XBox started out as a "skunkworks" project, or basically a side project. Its' success wasn't really a controlled notion like companies are trying so hard to do these days.

The thing with the 360 is, it just did games better than the other two systems, even if that did mean that it shared most of its' game pool. But the 360 exclusives are a bit more enticing than the PS3 or Wii exclusives, especially for semi-competitive gaming. Killzone 2 was the highpoint of the PS3 competitive scene, iirc (and I might not). Whereas the 360 is almost entirely geared around a competitive scene these days; a lot of the changes we see being made between sequels are made for balancing purposes in competitive play, and the single player and multi-user-1-screen multiplayer have suffered greatly for it.

Interestingly, Microsoft could probably pull an Apple right now if they just forced everyone to migrate to the new system. It'd lose them a lot of customers, but they could ostensibly do it. And tbqh, I'll be a bit angry if my downloadable games on xbox live don't migrate to the new system.

>>173319
On this we can agree, that's actually what I'm hinging getting it on.

>"Durango [the codename for the next Xbox] is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet." It continues, "There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/


Doop de doo. Looks like it was all a misunderstanding, unless Microsoft changed their game plan after the backlash from Orth tweets.

>>173778
>Looks like it was all a misunderstanding, unless Microsoft changed their game plan after the backlash from Orth tweets.

Given that it's this late in the systems development (and that Microsoft isn't full on retard) it's more than likely this was only ever a rumor or was a proposed concept at the drawing board, maybe making it to an alpha build tops.

>>173780
True, but with talks of Durango's software lineup being six months behind, it makes me wonder.

>>173780
>Microsoft isn't full on retard
Windows 8, Windows Phone 7, Surface RT, XBox Dashboard ads. I shucky ducky.

I can easily see the always-online functionality of the Nextbox being fully developed; however, since it's not necessary they could probably change a single flag or comment out some lines of code to turn off always-online (or turn it into a user option.) Even this late, they probably still have beta firmware, so it wouldn't be terribly hard to just change IsConnectedButDoesntNeedInternet() to always return true.

If there's a source code leak I bet we'll find the code is in there, or the hackers will find something that was never enabled that would have forced always-online. I bet it was a core idea until the shit with SimCity, and then Orth's comment and subsequent backlash was the final nail in its coffin.

in any case we won't have to fucking deal with it, so it doesn't really matter in the long run.

>>173786
Can't speak for the RT, but the Surface Pro is a fantastic little piece of equipment, especially if you're an artist and don't mind using Sketchbook Pro or Manga Studio instead of Photoshop.

Edge tries out this whole "satire" thing that's all the rage with kids:

>Ballmer stomps to a podium, startling the chattering audience into silence, and begins the presentation with one of his charged silences. Stalking to and fro like a panther, he shiftily eyes the wary spectators as if sizing up something essential in their characters. He leaps onto the front bleacher, stage-whispers “I love”, and then screams “this gymnasium!” at shocking volume. A school librarian gasps and spills a box of popcorn; someone’s little brother starts weeping in terror. After kissing the librarian and karate chopping a lacrosse coach in the neck, Ballmer backflips off the bleachers and lands at the podium. Suddenly composed, he briskly explains that unlike his competitors, he’s actually going to show us Xbox 720. He whisks a sheet off a folding Formica table with a wild cry of passion.

>As far as the eye can tell, this 720 is two 360s Ballmer roped together with Christmas lights. Various seashells and a little macaroni art are glued all over the casings. The CEO is visibly moved as he gazes on it. Tears stream down his cheeks. He tremulously lists some of the advances in the system: it has twice the processing power, an artisanal new look, several different colours of rings of death, out-of-box backwards compatibility, and a new controller with an LED light bar, which looks a lot like a glow stick taped, inexplicably, to a Dreamcast controller. He doesn’t blink when an errant baton whizzes past his eyes, though it causes him not to notice Microsoft’s board of directors shuffling in. He switches the 720 on.

>Ballmer shows a gameplay demo of what he claims to be a new Halo featuring a female protagonist, though it appears to be Halo 4 with cleavage drawn on the bottom of the monitor.

http://www.edge-online.com/features/microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-unveils-xbox-720/

>>173789
The problem is that's one thing it's halfway decent for when the entire product lines was largely crap, in the case of RT (which is actually a branch of Windows 8 that is going to pre-wither and die due to lack of market. It's designed for ARM processors and as such, cannot actually be integrated with the Windows 8 App Store proper). Most of Microsofts' recent work has been overshadowed by its' previous, much like XP and Vista all over again. It's not actually that Windows 8 and any of its' iterations are bad in concept; it's just that all the concepts have been executed in a way that alienates both private and professional consumers. The Surface Pro being great for you is good, but for the majority of people more or less the same effect can be achieved with any Win7 machine for less

>>173789
I picked out RT specifically because it was stillborn. They designed it for the ARM chip which means it can't run a single x64/x86 program, which makes it lousy for home consumers, and it can't hook into Active Directory, which makes it lousy for businesses. So it's good for nothing more than a Grandma machine, and Grandmas already have a Nexus or an iPad, or will get one instead because it's "hip" and much cheaper.

It's a solution in search of a problem.

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/22qgg3/pach-attack--the-next-xbox--pachter-s-xbox-rumor-ratings

Oh Pach, you so crazy.

>>174023
>If you don't have an Xbox 360, you don't have any Xbox 360 games
But, what if I want Xbox 360 games? A $100 add on to a $X new gen system might sound better than a $200-$300 current gen system.

>>174031
BC is especially great if you didn't have the previous system and want an easy way of playing the games you missed.

>>174032
It also helps give consoles an early sales push as more prior owners, especially those who are still enjoying their current system just fine, have more of a reason to get the newer one even if the newer one has few games.

But, that aside, I can see companies being uninterested in BC because most of those who will buy it for the BC will buy the last-gen games used, which means no additional income for either the dev or the console mft.

>>174033
mmm. Xbox live was really nascent when the 360 came out, and it was actually a while before Halo 3 came out as the first true killer ap. The system itself really survived on Halo 2 and Shadowrun for a year or so there.

>>174488
>Subsidized Xbox v. Next model has been scrapped

>>174494
Hrm wonder if it was because the difference between the two are minimal

Today's the day:

Xbox 360 2005 mtv unveiling Ne…

>>174519
Maybe the new 360 will pull a 180 from Sonys conference and actually SHOW US some shit instead of being mostly smoke and mirrors and "wow it's fucking nothing".
Unlikely

>>174526
The first fifteen minutes of the show seems aimed exclusively at the dudebro demographic. They're even showing off how you can voice-command pop-up your fantasy stats while watching ESPN, for fuck's sake XBox, you're a games console, get on with it!

HALO TV SERIES WITH STEVEN SPIELBERG WHAT

>>174526
fantasy football is a game.

So XB-1

Whadya know. It looks like an actual box.

XBOX ONE MORE REASON TO BUY A PS4 AND WiiU

XBOX 360: "Because when you see it you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away."
XBOX ONE: "Because when One breaks you'll have to buy another One."

Haven't read all the reveal stuff yet, but I'm eh. Design is nice and simple, reminds me of the original Wii (except three time as large).

I'm just waiting for the VideoGamerTV abridged version

>>174535
It's a TV accessory.

I spent a valuable hour of my life watching an advert for a TV accessory.

Why did I do that?

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ASNE&ei=b7ibUZDBLoSm0AHz7wE

>Xbox One blocks used game
>Games linked to account
>Have to pay to play used

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407912/microsoft-confirms-pre-owned-fee-for-xbox-one/

>We don't have always-online DRM!
>What we do have is something just as stupid!

Xbox One Does Not Require "Always-On" Connection yeah right.

For what I've been told:

>DUDEBROS N' SPORTS
>ALSO, TV
>feat. CoD

>>174553
And let's not forget about the Dogs of War
Pink Floyd - Dogs Of War [Venice]

>>174543
Meanwhile: https://www.google.com/finance?q=MSFT&ei=PcObUeizG4niqAHyWA

>>174545
I would not be surprised if this "fee" turns out to be the MSRP of the game you want to play used.

>Microsoft cannot into sarcasm

Can we talk about how it looks like an 80s-era VHS deck?

>>174545
And then I packed my shit, flipped the bird and went back to PC gaming.

>>174563

>>174563
Gotta love them Quasar

This might be the first console reveal that has ever made me feel outright hatred. Goddamn Microsoft. Goddamn.

>>174570
I'm reminded of Nintendo's E3 Wii Music reveal.

Sony's doing the whole "always on" DRM thing too, but Microsoft actually went and did the whole cockblock of second hand markets. Oh fucking WOW.

This gen confirmed for all shit all the time.

Now I can finally just pour all my cash into a nice rig for steam an- Oh? What's that? The computer I built 3 years ago can still run all the new games from this year on the highest setting? All-right then, guess I'm set.

>penalized for playing used games
>required to be online at least once every 24 hours
>no backwards compatibility

Fuckin' YIKES, man.

Lets not forget to include the kinect as well which seems to be part of the package. This thing might actual end up costing as much as a '80s VCR or at least a Neo Geo.

I know, I know, Kotaku, but this is pretty funny:
http://kotaku.com/so-the-xbox-one-reveal-screwed-up-a-lot-of-peoples-kin-509179256

Also shitty Kotaku, but goddamn Microsoft. Goddamn.
http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-to-trade-xbox-one-games-online-micros-509140825

>>174576
...unless they cut back on specs to save costs.

>>174571
Wii music was stupid and overblown, but it was not the core device they where going to focus on for the next generation.

This is almost offensive in the way it handles customer support. I don't care what exclusives this thing gets, I'm not into it.

The Dog dies.

I really need to get to following Adam Sessler. Seems to have a pretty solid idea of what he's talking about.

>>174587
That's hilarious. Didn't MS do that kind of thing a few years back at another large event (E3?)?

>>174577
That seems like an easy enough software patch, or even fixing it before they ship. Just give the user the ability to assign a name to their XBox vocally (so that it hears the pronunciation, rather than seeing it written), and advise them to use a name that they never say in real life but that they can remember. Like "Slagathor."

"Slagathor, call John on Skype."

>>174590
"Slagathor; stop being a shitty console."
>command not recognized

>"Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to play an entirely new generation of games -- games that are architected to take full advantage of state-of-the-art processors and the infinite power of the cloud. We care very much about the investment you have made in Xbox 360 and will continue to support it with a pipeline of new games and new apps well into the future."

>ony also faces a similar issue with the PlayStation 4, which switched to AMD chips from Cell technology from Sony, IBM, and Toshiba. The system isn't natively backwards compatible with the PlayStation 3, but Sony has so far mentioned enabling PS3 gameplay via a digital library in a yet-to-be-determined PlayStation Cloud Service. Whether this would be accomplished via streaming, digital downloads, or emulation isn't clear.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-9020_7-57585541-222/xbox-360-games-wont-work-with-the-xbox-one/

Xbox One could get fucking Half Life 3 as an exclusive, and I would not buy it.

This is infuriating that a company could be so arrogant and slimy to pull all of this shit. This better get people fired. People in suits. Corporate people in suits. And their golden parachutes should be seized. This kills the market, this kills the fucking market.

>>174592
>Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to completely fuck our customers
Fixed that for them. Also:
> will continue to support it with a pipeline of new games and new apps well into the future
As soon as I read, this Nintendo's "third pillar" came rushing to the front of my mind. "Your Game Boy Advance is fine, guys! These will co-exist side-by-side, guys!" Of course, the original DS could play GBA games, and the 3DS can play DS games, so Nintendo's still ahead of the curve on this, apparently.

Microsoft's Virtual Boy.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-may-have-mandatory-game-installs
>In a blog post, Major Nelson has some good news. "Should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile," Nelson wrote. The blog post also mentioned that customers will be able to trade and sell their used games at retail outlets.
Because there's a huge market for useless as fuck discs.

>The aforementioned 'fee' to play games on a second account?
>Full MSRP.
FUCKING CALLED IT.

>Harrison did tell Kotaku that his company plans to allow gamers to 'trade' their used games online somehow - though declined to get into further details.
I bet it involves each side paying half the MSRP for each game they trade.

Xbox One in a nutshell.
Xbox One Reveal 2013 Highlights

>Buy used game for 40 dollars, about half off because all games MSRP for 80 bucks due to how much it cost to GRAFIX ONLINE MULTIPLAYER NETFLIX TWITTER
>Have to pay full for it to play it
>Spend 120 on the game

This will not work.
This simply can NOT work.
Parents will be buying their tots the latest Red Square Killer Spec Ops second hand from friends or whatnot and when the Xbox they plunk their little shits down in front of asks for another 60 bucks to play the fucking game, it just ain't gonna fly, no matter HOW stupid you are.

Xbox One Unveiled

God, what a clusterfuck.

There was a rumour going around "the GAF" (yeah yeah I know) some weeks back that games development for XBox One was six months behind schedule, which goes some way to explain how egregiously nogaems the console reveal was (apart from cowadoody, since they can shovel those out in an afternoon).

It's horrifying. It's horrifying and hilarious. And because Microsoft is in the best financial shape of the big 3 this soulless cash-swallowing monstrosity is going to be the trendsetter.

You know, I felt kinda left out when I basically absconded from the last generation (my fault, I realise, but hey, I'm poor). I don't reckon that's going to be a problem this time around.

>>174605

Just so you know, NeoGAF has more fucking sony fanboys on it than any other place on the internet.

I'm not saying it was a stellar presentation or even that the rumor is totally unfounded, but people from that site will find any (ANY) reason to shit on Microsoft.

The games they might have probably weren't brought up because they are going to be brought up at E3 in under a month.

Has MS just given up on Japan? I mean, that thing is hugebig, black and boxy and has lots of features only people in North American can use.

>>174609
It looks like they've given up on every market that isn't North America. They know where their core audience is and apparently focus on making it a monopoly there.

Man. Those diagonal strips are going to pick up so much dust...

>>174609
Europe and America are their big markets. The last two systems they've made have shown them that Japan doesn't like it for the most part. Either because it's a non-Japanese system or for some other reason.

>>174613
PS3 was more successful in Europe than 360. America is their only really big cash cow. But there they almost have the monopoly.

Xbox One Reveal: Angry Rant

Finaly, the whole conference in short and understandable form:
Xbox One Announcement: The Abr…

Why do they call it the XBox One?

Because Microsoft will only sell one of them.

>>174621
There's enough dudebros who will buy it.

>>174621
Why do they call it the XBox One?

Because Microsoft took 359 steps backwards.

XBOX ONE: Genuine Reaction
Young Nicholas Cage watches the Xbox One reveal.

Ahaha, this is great: http://imgur.com/gallery/qviPX

http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2013/05/bt-podcast-55-suck-my-xbone/
Man thats one hell of an off-topic.
Also I got this [pic] from a swedish blog.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/22/xbox-one-wont-allow-indies-to-self-publish/

IT KEEPS HAPPENING

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/22/4354646/xbox-live-gold-memberships-apply-to-both-xbox-one-and-360

This makes me feel a lot better about this account.

Another good chunk of news.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353888/xbox-one-game-pricing-up-to-publishers-phil-spencer


YES THANK FUCK
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play

>>174637
I will never support this because you should never have to pay extra for your wifi enabled machine to function.

>>174638
>potential scenarios

You know what this means right? It's already in place, they just want to stop the negative press.

The ride never ends.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/xbox-one-incompatible-with-current-gaming-headsets
>the new controller will come equipped with a new, proprietary data port that replaces the chat cable connector found on the current generation, which a trusted source tell us will make the system incompatible with existing gaming headsets
> in order to support chat communications, headsets will be required to make use of the new connection type.
> we're told that the new port is part of a larger strategy to gain control over the accessory market
>Manufacturers will not only need to develop entirely new products for the new connection standard, but use licensing and authentication protocols from Microsoft, potentially driving up costs for consumers.
>When reached for comment, Microsoft representatives didn't explicitly state that current hardware was incompatible, but rather that the company was focusing on new devices:
>"We are working with 3rd party headset manufacturers to create new headsets that will take full advantage of the Xbox One technology," company representatives said. "We will share more details in the future."
Holy shit, Microsoft. Stop. Just stop. What the fuck, stop.

Every time I think they've dug so far with the shovel that it's broken and they can't dig deeper, they pull a spade out of their ass and keep at it.

>>174647
So everyone will just go with a wireless Bluetooth headset then? Oh wait only PS4 has confirmed Bluetooth functionality which is probably for its controllers. Also the number of things that Kinect can apparently sense such has heartbeat to tell when a player passes the controller to another I really don't want it anywhere near me.

>>174648
>senses heartbeats
That sounds like complete bullshit.

>>174647
Wait how the fuck does that happen? What, are they not going to have a USB port on this thing?

>>174658
http://mashable.com/2013/05/22/xbox-one-kinect-heartbeat/

they say it can but so far them testing it and people actually getting it to work in their homes are totally different things.

Two years and a depressing number of units shipped later, there is still not a single good game for the Kinect, unless you count the guffaws generated by a Star Wars-themed dance simulator.

So clearly, this must be the best device to base your whole gaming console around!

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/5-features-new-xbox-that-are-about-to-ruin-everything/

If anyone wanted a one-stop shop for why this is terrible (even includes cross references)

>>174660
I have to admit, if this thing works like they say it will work, it's a pretty impressive piece of tech.
Not something I'd want to integrate into all my videogames, but still pretty impressive.

>>174674
There is one actually. Gunstringer (plus that crazy Troma DLC for it).

Not that 1 1/2 games can justify the whole thing but hey.

Holy shit.
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa

Holllllly shiiiiit
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/23/4358396/xbox-one-and-ps4-are-a-generation-ahead-of-the-best-pc-says-ea-cto

>>174674
While they're hardly videogames in the traditional sense the Double Fine things for Kinect are supposed to be pretty good.

>>174678
Good news everyone!
Towels exist and so does the old 360!
Unless the last service update they give it causes your system to engage a "destroy things you can drape over Kinect, then commit suicide" protocol. ... this past week has convinced me that this is actually possible.

>>174678
I've found not to trust any news site that isn't Polygon until E3. And then after that I may not trust any other site anyway.

>>174678
holy shit the audacity.
Just. Holy shit.
Ho Ly Shit.
...
fuuuuck.
I wasn't going to buy one anyway, but that was just apathy, better things to do and poverty. But those principles. Dose principles.

>>174684
>Polygon and The Verge
>Not Microsoft shill central

Could ANYONE be dumb enough to buy this POS?

>>174689
Conceivably a lot of people if they didn't pay attention to all the press conferences that laid this out.

>>174690
So as usual, casuals will be the downfall of the industry.

>>174691
I should note, by "a lot" I don't mean anywhere near what Microsoft wants. This sort of stuff will mostly be unknown, but ANY of it being shown to the general public will turn off a large portion of customers.

Its funny. They're behaving like vidogame villains with all the monitoring and dictator cooperation attitude.

Actually, that's less funny and more extremely unnerving.

>According to the application Microsoft intends to create "A content presentation system and method allowing content providers to regulate the presentation of content on a per-user-view basis. Content is distributed an associated license option on the number of individual consumers or viewers allowed to consume the content.

>"Consumers are presented with a content selection and a choice of licenses allowing consumption of the content. The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken."

>Based on the description of the technology developed for the patent it seems likely Microsoft will use the Kinect sensor, which is mandatory with Xbox One, to monitor the number of people present while watching a TV show, movie or music on the device. Presumably, should the content be consumed by too many people Xbox One owners will need to pay again.

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/14887/article/microsoft-trademarks-new-per-view-content-system-for-xbox-one/

Everyone that looks at a painting in a museum should be charged individually.
DVDs should cost each time you want to watch them and for how many people are in the room.

>>174698
Don't forget, because this is within the content owner's rights to do legally, you have no right to ever complain about it and the action itself is morally infallible.

>Xbox One was designed from the ground up with entirely new technology to deliver a new generation of experiences for both games and entertainment. For example, the Wireless Controller will connect to the console using high speed data transfer to enable higher fidelity headset audio and future controller add-on experiences that are not possible with Xbox 360 wireless technology.

>Additionally, the all-new Kinect sensor's ability to locate the wireless controller is dependent on new technology. In order for Xbox One to deliver robust, meaningful gaming scenarios for all users across all experiences, only Xbox One controllers and accessories will work with the new console.


USBs: Outdated tech.
Also your fightsticks are now worthl-Oh, they still work on computers thanks to built-in drivers?
Imagine that.

So far I'm really not seeing a case for anything but WiiU. At least that has some good, guaranteed exclusives. I guess I can't judge PS4 much since we don't know nearly the same amount about it though.

Imagine a world where kindles are corporately owned. Public libraries no longer exist, for one reason or another. When you choose to look at information mediums, which are technically free to print whatever they want, companies have full possession and proprietary control over the mediums by which they appear. Imagine a world where ereaders require product registration that amounts to something as invasive as a license to own in order to function without ever actually being classified as an object the state controls.
You cannot even go to a company library to read so much as a book without the built in camera device requiring a time sheet and a biometric reading of your face, eyes and teeth before consuming the data. Any information you read or become exposed to is added to a database, for reasons. You literally cannot know more without somebody knowing what you know and having the foreknowledge to prepare for it.

Welcome, friends. To the Kinectzone.

Meanwhile Bill Gates sits back with a scotch and reflects on how awesome of an idea it was to leave the company he built years ago while watching it burn to the ground.

>>174708

This is why you don't take your company public if you don't want it to go to shit. GabeN's got the right idea.

http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.se/2013/05/overbytes-on-xbox-one.html
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7358-Xbox-One-out-of-Ten
Just what this thread needs!
More angry fat guys!

>>174703
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you entitled gamer? I’ll have you know I am the best console that the world has ever seen, I have always online connectivity, and I have over 300,000 servers. I am fully compatible with Microsoft Kinect and I have the best hardware of this generation. You are nothing to me but just another consumer. I watch the fuck out of you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, and able to keep track of 25 individual joints. You think you can get away with saying that shit about me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Kinect cameras across the USA and your face, joint movements and favourite Pizza are being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that brings with it 30 pizza vans and 11 adverts. You’re money is mine, kid. I am watch you everywhere, all the time, and I can enhance your enjoyment in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just using Netflix. Not only am I extensively geared with top spec motion controls, but I have access to the entire marketing department of Microsoft, and I will use it to its full extent to give you the best gaming experience of all time, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy fun your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will ERROR SERVER CONNECTION LOST, SHUTTING DOWN

>>174710
They seem to be the only ones with balls enough more often than not to call them on their bullshit.

>>174715
>WHO IS DRIVING THE CAR

>>174715
>>174716
This is fair

The muddled and oh-so messy saga surrounding Xbox One's position on used games is still all over the place it seems, and for now, we're still not being given any straight answers on the subject.

Xbox Support has tweeted responses to fans on the subject claiming that the information released thus far is incorrect, while Major Nelson says that the used games policy is still being finalised and the eventual aim is to ensure "it would work like it works today on Xbox 360."

"We can confirm that the article stating Xbox One will charge fees to play used games is NOT correct," Xbox Support tweeted on the day of the reveal.

"We are months away from the launch of Xbox One and policy decisions are still being finalized," Major Nelson told Gematsu. "When they are, we will let you know."

Major Nelson went on to add the following: "As I noted earlier we're still working on some of the policies... But our goal is that it would work like it works today on Xbox 360."

It's all as clear as mud. Microsoft's Phil Harrison has failed to shed much light on the subject too, stating that game discs will still work like Xbox 360 titles, but with an Xbox One game locked to a single account after installation. Nothing like an Xbox 360 disc then.

We're still waiting on firm, definitive responses regarding Xbox One's used games policy, and it looks like we won't be getting them until Microsoft finalises where it stands on the whole issue. Gah!

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa

WHAT THE FUCK

>>174719
full throttle damage control

>>174720
so we gonna have max occupancy viewing on the back of the DVD boxes? Bet this will also go the for NFL too since they are really crazy about that kinda shit.

>>174719
Needs more backpedal and damage control

>>174689
The "bro" gamers will buy an XB1 because they assume it will have Halo 5 and Call of Warfare. Initial sales will be roughly on par with console launches. However, as soon as the news that you can't play used games or lend out games (assuming Microsoft does go with this policy, which I think they will), sales will drop like a rock.

GAME OVER, MAN, GAME OVER.

You know, maybe I was wrong in Nintendo having a generation cycle, and this is the "stupid" part of the cycle--maybe the entire gaming ecosystem is just having a "stupid" generation.

>>174725
>>174725
>maybe I was wrong in Nintendo having a generation cycle
I wonder why people are saying this. The WiiU has done nothing that the Wii, DS, and 3DS didn't already do before picking up.

>>174725
All things flow in waves of varying breadth and ebb.

>>174706
Worst thing about the PS4 is the dedicated share button. And it's just more unnecessary than terrible.

The WiiU just lacks direction and a user-base to entice 3rd party (though that didn't help last gen. 3rd party just doesn't like Nintendo for whatever reason.)

>>174706
Worst thing about the PS4 is the dedicated share button. And it's just more unnecessary than terrible.

>>174729
>>174729
No I'm pretty sure the worst thing about the PS4 is their developers:
>"Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers."
I can almost promise you that there are going to be a lot of devs with "must have" AAA games that are going to do this.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/05/23/6-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-xbox-one-really/

>The Xbox One was meant to blend in (and lay horizontally).
>You may not have agreed with the design sensibility of previous Xbox consoles, but one thing is for certain: They stood out. The Xbox One was created from the get-go to do the opposite. "In particular in this release, we're really embracing games and TV," explains Mehdi. "And so the form factor has a 16 by 9 aspect ratio, which is kind of the aspect ratio for high-definition television. So when you look at the box and the angular, rectangular nature of it -- even the way we do the two-tone split with the grill -- all of that was about being the one device that can power all of your entertainment in the living room." Also, if you were wondering if you could stand the Xbox One up on its side, you can't -- or at least shouldn't. Users will want to keep it horizontal to keep things cool and quiet.


Can't wait for someone to see what happens when you sit it on its end and it freaks out.

>>174726
Looking at just Wii->WiiU, the Wii U isn't selling at nearly the pace or having nearly the buzz that the original Wii did. Yeah, it took a year or two for a lot of games to really start coming out, but part of that was companies going "oh shit, we weren't expecting people to like it" and hopping on the bandwagon ASAP. Since the Wii U is having middling sales at best, it won't have the same surge.

>>174733
>Since the Wii U is having middling sales at best, it won't have the same surge.
Not if Microsoft continues to tell the market "we think you're suckers and we hate you", it won't: http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Poor-Reception-Blasts-Wii-U-Sales-By-220-56021.html

Sure, it'll probably only be a blip, but a man can dream.

The Xbox One Experience (VideoGamer.com)

Wow.

In just 24 hours, Microsoft managed to completely shit its pants. That has to be a record. I mean FUCK.

>>174753
>thin italicized black text on a dark grey textured background

>>174739
I read a comment/article (can't remember) that said the sudden surge was because some gamers were sitting on the fence to see what next gen console to buy. With the PS4's nothing-to-say and finally MS's "fuck the consumer" announcements, they made their decision on the Wii U. While it's interesting, I don't see it as a staying trend.

Miiiiiicrosoftttt...

MIIIIICROSOOOOOFT...

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/publishers-to-receive-cut-of-xbox-one-pre-owned-sales-at-retail/0116137
>A gamer walks into a retailer and hands over the game they wish to sell. This will only be possible at retailers who have agreed to Microsoft’s T&Cs and more importantly integrated Microsoft’s cloud-based Azure pre-owned system into its own.

>The game is then registered as having been traded-in on Microsoft’s system. The consumer who handed it over will subsequently see the game wiped from their account – hence the until now ambiguous claim from Phil Harrison that the Xbox One would have to ‘check in’ to Microsoft’s servers every 24 hours.

>The retailer can then sell the pre-owned game at whatever price they like, although as part of the system the publisher of the title in question will automatically receive a percentage cut of the sale. As will Microsoft. The retailer will pocket the rest.

This is stupid. How about not requiring an installation to the hard drive, and then if they give up the game they give up the game, no "check in" required? It also fucks over independent used game stores.

>>174758
>orange

so what has their big innovation been on their controller other than flatter d pad vibrating triggers and stupid sound port.

>>174755
This.

Seriously.

>>174759
Yeah, it's a pretty awkward system. But it sounds like it's not as bad as we feared it would be, otherwise. I dunno, it might be the closest thing we get to a fair compromise on this whole consumer vs. developer thing.

Although the fact that the publisher still acts as a middleman is still irritating. Next generation, if we go all-digital, can we just completely forget publishers entirely?

>>174762
>all digital

Next (9th) gen games will probably have stuff like 4K textures and uncompressed audio. Lots of games are too big to make DD feasible today (even with the 360 holding game sizes back). This and the next generation will make it an even bigger pain for some games.

>>174763
if the AAA market doesn't cripple itself in this generation.

http://majornelson.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-and-used-games-2/

>>174764
Depends on how much money they pump into ultimately underwhelming products that could never realistically make back the cost.

>>174763
The XBOX ONE was said to support 4k Resolution.

Sorry, forgot my link
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/23/4359450/xbox-one-will-support-4k-output-resolution-and-3d

>>174770
>>174771
I was thinking more texture size than screen resolution. Hi-res textures eat up VRAM and hard drive space a lot, so it's been downplayed last gen.

>>174772
well, now we have more than twice that we had in the previous consoles. It should be more than fine for a long long time.

>>174772
Oh neat its like that ultra texture pack for HL2

>>174772
Guys... I can't tell the difference without the leaf detail. Should I get my eyes checked?

Xbox One: Shock and Awe (discu…

>>174777
Nope, because the Rift is literally the worst place in Skyrim to apply texture mods to. They eat up performance like crazy and nobody can tell unless they zoom into the leaves. Most people mod the leaves so that they have even shittier textures in the Rift.

I used it because it showed the difference between the raw textures themselves, and God know decent texture comparisons are hard to find.

Look, we weren't going to report on this originally, because trust us we're as bored of reading half-baked, assumption-filled news posts about the Xbox One as you are. But the trouble is, we kinda have to report on this because it applies to achievements.

Last November Microsoft applied for a patent on an achievements system designed to reward viewers for watching television. That's right. Achievements for watching telly.

"Television viewing tends to be a passive experience for a viewer, without many opportunities for the viewer to engage or have interactive experiences with the presented content," says the application.

"To increase interactive viewing and encourage a user to watch one or more particular items of video content, awards and achievements may be tied to those items of video content."

"Additionally, by tying the awards and achievements to particular items of video or advertising content, viewers may be encouraged to increase their viewership of the content, thus increasing advertising opportunities."

While the specifics of how the system would work are not outlined in the description, the suggestion is that viewers would be offered achievements for watching an entire series, or a special televised event.

In addition to this, Microsoft also envisaged a way of incorporating Kinect into this madness, rewarding viewers for certain actions like holding up a specific product in front of the sensor during adverts.

It's worth pointing out that a patent filing doesn't necessarily mean Microsoft will pursue the system. But bearing in mind the company's focus for their next gen console (TV, TV, TV, TV, Sports, TV), then we'll let you come to your own conclusions.

TGS Podcast #57 Featuring Keyo…

>>174641
I just noticed something about that. Ok, it says it's tracking location and numbers, right?

Why the fuck is North Korea blued in? Does this mean Kim Jong Un hates the One, too?

>>174787
It may be accidentally counting Seoul. from proximity.

>>174781
I am now imagining people "feeding" their xbone doritos and mountain dew.

>>174803
God, it's like I'm really reading an issue of GameBro.

>>174781
My god, that sounds like one of the single most retarded things I have ever encountered.

>>174781
Sitting on your fat ass watching TV; now an accomplishment.
God bless Amerifats.

>>174813
>No citation
>google brings nothing
Yes lets complain about it and blame an entire Nation on something that doesn't exist.

>>174816
>google brings nothing

http://www.inquisitr.com/674962/xbox-one-microsoft-files-patent-for-tv-achievements/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-microsoft-patents-awarding-achievements-for-watching-tv
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-05-24-microsoft-applies-for-patent-on-tv-achievements
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124333-Microsoft-Applied-to-Patent-TV-Achievements

>>174818
>still bring nationality into this

>>174821
I'm fairly certain I didn't. I just said that google gives lots of hits, some for mostly legit sites, so its probably a real thing.

>>174821
>implying he was bringing nationality into this

Creature Talk Ep71 "Xbox One" 5/25/13 Podcast

>>174816
>>174821

>getting butthurt over the term "amerifats"

Stop being fags and grow a pair

>>174813
You're saying that like achievements are hard to get in video games.

Man for being so fat, you guys sure have thin skin.

>>174844
but fatter people generally do have thinner skin.

>>174850
Well it does get stretched out.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-live-tv-available-in-us-only-at-launch-requires-separate-device/
>Remember that one feature we pretty much built our entire presentation around?
>The one that's supposedly revolutionary in how it lets you enjoy games, television, music and all that nonsense?
>Yeah, that's not actually an integrated part of the console. You need to buy a separate device for that.

>>174861
>Live TV will require a supported receiver device with HDMI output
Which could be something like a cable box; not necessarily something XBox-branded that everyone would have to buy. Though anyone hoping to hook it up to their coax will be sorely disappointed. Guess there was no room on the tapedeck for a coax connector...

With the recent change by the FCC that cable companies can encrypt their channels, thereby requiring a cable box for any subscriber (and you know almost all of them will jump on this) this news is almost a non-starter in the USA. However, Microsoft still fails because they're focusing so much on cable in a time when cable subscriptions are dropping like flies as people realize they're paying way too much for shit: http://www.webpronews.com/cordcutting-on-the-rise-cable-subscriptions-projected-to-shrink-over-the-next-few-years-2013-01 And if sports leagues and specialist channels like HBO get their shit together and just release their own, paid, online streaming packages, that number will likely drop even further because it's the #1 reason to get cable.

BEST

https://twitter.com/AdamSessler/status/336901672662077443

>>174866
I HEAR THE VOICES!!!!

>>174861
How.
How can this possibly get any stupider?
They're really banking on this whole screw-over-the-consumer-as-much-as-possible-and-hope-they-fall-for-it thing.
It's hard to believe this is even real. It's like a bad joke. Some bizarre parody of mustache twirling money grubbing Big Bad Evil Co. Ltd. An exaggeration to make big business look extremely sinister.

>>174861
>Oh man we really fucked up...
>I know how we can make it worse.

Content Patch - May 27th, 2013…

System also so far confirmed to be region locked

>>174884
Eh, but they all are. It would be news if it wasn't.

>>174885
PS4 region free would knock a big hole in the SS XB-1

>>174885
The PS3 isn't region locked, there's no reason to expect the PS4 to be.

>>174887
Publishers had a choice of region-locking games, but the only game I know that this affected was Persona 4 Arena.

Xbox One: A Game Oddity

TDEMOTION_REVEAL_ROUGH

WTF

IGN News - Xbox One to be Region-locked?

Microsoft has confirmed that Xbox One will be region locked and that Kinect won't spy on you. Furthermore, you'll actually be able to turn off Xbox One's Kinect altogether if you want. First, let's deal with the region locking bit.

“Similar to the movie and music industry, games must meet country-specific regulatory guidelines before they are cleared for sale,” a Microsoft spokesperson told Digital Trends. “We will continue to work with our partners to follow these guidelines with Xbox One.”

On Xbox 360, region encoding was left to the discretion of publishers, which means the same rule could apply to Xbox One and some titles from overseas may still be available to import.

And if you want to shut Kinect off on Xbox One, there'll be options to do just that in order to retain your privacy. "If you want privacy, we'll give you modes that ensure your privacy," Microsoft's Jeff Henshaw explained to CNET. "And we actually have a little bit about this on the web already. We will have something similar for the Kinect with Xbox One."

Retailer and rental chain Blockbuster has also reported record pre-orders on Xbox One, indicating that despite all of the confusion surrounding the console's used games policy, people apparently still want one. We'll be bringing you more on Xbox One from E3 early next month.

>>174920

Didn't Blockbuster go bankrupt last year?

>>174920
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-15037-Xbox-One-Will-be-Region-Locked-and-Kinect-Won-t-Spy-on-You-.html

It helps when you post the article.

>>174921
I think they declare bankruptcy on a two-year cycle.

And trying to get an idea of trends from Blockbuster is like seeing how popular McDonald's is by polling only those who earn more than $1MM a year.

How would one even go about ordering a Xbox One from Blockbuster? I mean are they talking about rentals? Because that has been shown to be kinda a dead market with Xbox One at the moment.

>>174927
While I haven't stepped foot inside a blockbuster in nearly a decade, I believe part of their approach to not dying a horrible death by missing out on digital sales and stuff like RedBox was to start selling movies/games/consoles as well as renting them out.

The Xbox One reveal attracted over 8.45 million people, Microsoft has revealed.

The figures contribute to what the company is calling, "one of the top-most concurrent streamed events of all time."

To back this up, the stream as delivered by Akamai outperformed the 2010 World Cup, the 2011 Royal Wedding and the 2012 US election in terms of concurrent viewership.

Meanwhile, over on Spike TV the event attracted 1.73 million and according to Nielsen was the top television show for men aged18-34. At 10am. On May 21.

The stats as delivered by Microsoft are perhaps a little over enthusiastically interpreted, but regardless, it’s pretty clear that the event was watched by a whole heap of people.

As far as gamers are concerned though, E3 will be the main event, as we finally get to see the 15 Xbox One platform exclusives Microsoft has lined up.

We’re rather excited.

Microsoft has set aside around $1 billion to secure exclusive Xbox One games, says Don Mattrick.

Amidst accusations that the company has abandoned gamers in favour of a broader audience, Mattrick said, "We just ran through our [release slate] and counted the number of exclusives, and looked at the amount of money that we're spending and the deals that we have...”

"I think, candidly, people are way, way under-indexing how hard we're punching."

"There are great hits, there's innovation, and there are world class creators plugged in," he continued. "You know, I keep track of it all, and I hope everyone here does - we kind of look back at all the different years and at what we shipped, how many units have sold. There's a lot of hyperbole about things, but I think we're going to deliver."

Microsoft has already revealed that it has 15 exclusive games lined up for the Xbox One during its first year on shelves, 8 of which are brand new properties. And while the console’s reveal was light on games, E3 promises to bring fireworks.

All eyes on Microsoft’s June 10th E3 press conference then.

I don't care what exclusives its getting. The console itself is an affront to consumer interest.

>>174956
> "We just ran through our [release slate] and counted the number of exclusives, and looked at the amount of money that we're spending and the deals that we have...”
People hate you right now for reasons other than your lack of exclusives. How are they missing this?
I don't give a shit how many exclusives they have. I'm not going to pay someone stupid crazy high amounts of money to get fucked in the ass with a sandpaper cock, more money so their brother can watch, and more still so they can come back and do it to me every month just so I can have 15 lollipop flavors I can only get from this guy.

So no, I no longer care about Halo; or that there's going to be a new killer instinct game simply because I don't want to deal with your shit. Hell I don't even care if you manage to make Mass Effect 4 an exclusive and I love that series.

>>174956
>The Vita had 12 exclusives and 7 new IPs at launch.

Their best case scenario is measuring up to the Vita's first day in their first year.

A couple of demonstration videos for Microsoft's next-generation Kinect that will be bundled with Xbox One have been released, showing off the 'eyes, ears and brains' of the device.

In the first 'eyes and ears' video, the 3D vision and the larger field view of the 1080p 2D colour camera are showcased, demonstrating the greater fidelity next-gen Kinect has to offer. In fact, it has three times the fidelity of Xbox 360's Kinect, meaning you'll be able to discern even small details, like wrinkles in clothing, facial expressions and fingers.

It's hoped that this will make for more accurate, natural interaction and greater engagement with Kinect games. The increased field of vision meanwhile, enables players to stand closer or further away from Kinect. Audio accuracy has also been improved immensely.

Processing power covers the 'brains' video, with speech, facial, digital signal processing and skeletal tracking all helping to deliver greater precision and accuracy to Kinect experiences. Up to six players can also now be individually recognised by Kinect within the same field of vision.

>>174963
I'll believe it when I see it at E3 if they allow it and aren't pulling another WoZ experience.

WoZ?

>>174993
Wizard of Oz Man, behind the curtain thing. Many reviews of the conference are convinced it was dude on a booth doing the "Xbox,TV, Game," bit.

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/used-games-twitter-complaints-and-sony-why-the-xbox-one-backlash-doesnt-mat
It really amuses me how much this article unintentionally brings up the similarity between the Xbox One launch and that of Windows 8. Oh, so it's a guaranteed hit because Microsoft is riffing off a competitor's walled garden approach? And we'll all buy it because we bought the last one? What a sound argument.