isn't that guy just a stupid dough head?

>PS4 looks to be another giant waste of money with no games
>Xbox potentially royally fucking up
>lol WiiU
Yep; time to go back to the PC masterrace. The past two generations were fun and all, but fuck this shit.

>>172013
>lol WiiU
That's not fair. You gave the other ones decent excuses.

>>172013
I'll be putting in some upgrades on my main rig next month; nothing amazing, but I'll be able to play PC games for a few years yet. My next console purchase will be an XBox 360.

I still have a hundred+ backlog of games spanning the Gamecube, Wii, PS2/1, PC, GameBoy Advance, DS, 3DS, and various DS/WiiWare titles. Unless something absolutely fucking amazing comes out, it looks like I'll be skipping this gaming generation, which I haven't done since I bought my N64 a decade and a half ago.

Though I will buy a Wii U if that Xenoblade-ish game turns out to be a true sequel.

PS3 = Caesar
PS4 = Octavian
PSV = Marc Antony
Wii = Pompey
WiiU = Cleopatra
3DS = Brutus
360 = Vercingetorix
Durango = Marcus Lepidus

>>172015
>>172013
PCs from 5 years ago still run games well. Wait until 4K becomes affordable to upgrade.

I dig through board specs to find a board that can support new stuff but doesn't have integrated garbage. Current one once I switch the tower if I can get a better job can handle AM3+ up to the eight core models and 32 GB Ram and Can Crossfire but if the Cross Processing works it may not even need a crossfire rig and Two 3GB 7900s might be overkill anyway.

>>172016
Yeah, but I want to run on higher quality. My PC struggles with Bioshock Infinite on Medium, so by pushing my graphics card and SSD I should be able to get a few good years out of her yet.

I don't know who this Orthy fellow is, but he sounds like the biggest tool in the shed.

>>172025
He's the Creative Director or something like that for the XBox brand.

>>172026
Doubtfully for much longer...

I've never even heard of this schmuck before, but WOW what a pigheaded prat.

Neither of my airplanes are connected to the internet.

Clearly, this is a handicap.

>The mobile reception in the area I live in is spotty and unreliable. I will not buy a mobile phone.

You know what I did for that?
Used a different company.

Hint hint fucking hint.

>>172044
You're missing out on a huge revenue source.
1) Jack your airplanes into the internet
2a) Let people pay to use their joysticks for short romps with the plane from their own home
2b) Let people at home take over flying the plane while you're on a long trip to let you sleep
3) ???
4) FBI/FAA investigation!

>>172055
Yeah, and the 65% of America that doesn't have broadband access from ANY company should just move! It's not like the vast majority of people who live in those areas can't afford to move at the drop of a hat or anything.

>>172014
I shouldn't need to because it has the exact same problems the Wii does: No games, outdated hardware, and for all its self proclaimed "inovations" it just constantly repackages the same shit year after year.

>>172058
The Wii has lots of games. Many of them games that were not only not repackaged versions of earlier games, but games that introduced gameplay concepts that had never even been attempted before, and pulled them off well.

Incidentally, I'd be interested to hear what games you consider to be good examples of games that aren't just the same repackaged shit over and over again on PS3 and Xbox 360. I thought everyone with any sense understood that the majority of the big sellers on any system are going to be sequels, remakes, and clones.

Ha ha wow fuck this guy

>>172061
>Diablo III & Sim City
Oh God, that just occured to me. Imagine not being able to play ANY GAMES on your Xbox every time a big new release comes out and everyone goes online all at once.

>>172061
Allegedly, that Manveer Heir dude is friends with Adam Orth and that exchange specifically was moreso just a back and forth, them messing with each other and stuff.

That being said, dude still doesn't have a good argument for the pro-"always online" thing. I don't think anyone can have a good argument for that.

>>172062
Oh shit, that never occurred to me, either. Has any game where "multiplayer"/"always on" been a feature ever had a smooth launch? At least with things like Call of Battlefield: Reach Around you have the option to play the single-player campaign while you wait for servers to open up.

>>172069
>been a feature
And by that, I mean "been a requirement/core part of the game".

>>172061
>>171992
This dude sounds like a terrible person.

>>172061
Forget the shed, this guy is the biggest tool in the hardware store.

Not sure why people here would care about the nextbox.

>>172061
>Why would I live there

Oh. Oh my holy eternal God.
The stupidity. The overwhelming stupidity. I simply cannot. This is something I can, in fact, not.

>>172068
>Allegedly, that Manveer Heir dude is friends with Adam Orth and that exchange specifically was moreso just a back and forth, them messing with each other and stuff.
And they assumed the best way to have this little in joke conversations was to put it where everyone could see it?
Do people not realize what Twitter even is?

>>172083
Not just twitter; it's surprising how many people work with the internet as part of their job yet can't comprehend that the internet doesn't forget. Never.

>>172056
You know, you're right. I bet I could market this to a lot of Right-wing militias as an affordable means of Drone strike.

>>172061
Condescend in public, potentially offending customers.

Great job! I'd still like to see an argument as to why I, a games consumer, benefits in any tangible way by having to utilize the internet to play a game made for singleplayers, like Fallout.

Another thing: What if I were a parent? What if my kid liked taking his system to friends houses for sleep overs (Like we all did, no doubt)? How would the requirement for an internet connection affect that? What if you're an ADULT that likes fucking doing that?

Putting all of your eggs in one basket, mang.

>>172061
>suddenly remembering Ice Storm 98.
Fifteen years ago I spent a month without electricity in the flashfrozen hell of Coastal Maine, with nothing but Golden Eye and a gas generator for company.

The idea that game consoles need constant internet connection in addition to electricity always being on, I just.. this is the absolutely fucking angrifying. These selfish god damned top-down suits and their Nannycorp fucking agenda.

>>172104
B-but muh piracy..!

>>172105
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A PLANE.
yes you would

Also I just realized with 3d printers it may be possible to someday download a car. Jesus christ technology stahp

>>172104
OH MAN FUCKING 98, You don't know terror till you see an 80 year old man's who is trying to salvage a picture frame from his ruined house but he gives up crying since it's too frozen to the table.

>>172104

You know who's responsible right?

>>172106
I've been hearing about these things but how do they work? Presumably they can't build the electrical bits, just the structure?

>>172113
The Patriots?

>>172106
>Also I just realized with 3d printers it may be possible to someday download a car.
There's still the matter of obscene cost for the "ink".

>>172121
>Presumably they can't build the electrical bits, just the structure?

The 3D printers people are actually starting to use for practical purposes all just use plastic, but ones that make objects out of metal do exist.

If the next Xbox actually *doesn't* have always on DRM, I'm going to think they likely did this on purpose to gauge the public's response before getting too far into the design to change it. I'd consider it a better move than how the people developing Windows 8 responded to beta testers hacking the start menu back in.

>>I'd consider it a better move than how the people developing Windows 8 responded to beta testers hacking the start menu back in.

Having their families killed?

>>172129
The "new coke" technique without actually making the "new coke"?

>>172141
That's not that good of an analogy, though. In all taste tests, New Coke was considered superior to Classic. However, when they brought it to market, the backlash was massive because the flavor of Classic was associated with so many memories and an expectation that people had.

A technology analogy would be people hating CDs because they were so attached to their cassettes.

>>172152

Which really doesn't WORK with technology cause, well...

It's technology. Generally you can tell when something is objectively better than it's predecessor.

Unless it's the case of a different input variable like how tiles work great for touchpads but not so great for mouses.

>>172123
>greedy corporations equal jewish conspiracy

Oh socialists, you so silly.

>PissStation4
We got better graphics and that there touch pad thing you kids seem to like so much. Also you'll probably be needing to mortgage your house again to buy our console. Games? What the shit are these "games" you keep talking about?

>Wii-eww
We have no idea who we're trying to market this thing to, so have some bad current gen ports to our next gen system running current gen hardware. Is that "Hardcore" enough for you? Inter-what now? Also you fuckers have been buying the same game for the past two decades, we're pretty sure you morons will do it again.

>Xbot420(blaze it faggot!)
"Always on" internet. Your connection goes out or you don't feel like paying $60+ for our internet services? Lol fuck you enjoy your brick! Also we'll probably have DRM and games will be download only, but PS4 is maybe doing that too, so don't get too mad bro at least we'll have some games. Maybe? Oh sorry, you're an indie developer? Suck a fat one and go AAA or go home!

>Steam(ing) Box thing
It's your PC! But smaller (and rendered irrelevant with current gen TVs). When will it be released? Who knows, we sure as hell don't!

>>172175
How did your moronic ass find its way here?

>>172127
In addition, while I'm not aware of consume models, you can "print" PCB boards. From there it's a matter of printing the plane pieces (which has already been done, at least for models: http://www.geek.com/news/3d-printed-aircraft-successfully-takes-flight-1523821/), ordering the custom boards, and adding the necessary chips/transistors and connection wiring.

Yeah, it's not exactly a "Plane while you wait!", but we're moving closer. As 3D printers continue to expand, we'll likely see more "cartridges" so it can switch between metal and plastic, perhaps even forming the wiring within a device as it prints. At some point Amazon is going to partner with trinket companies and offer a one-time-use plan download for a 3D printer so you can create your own trinkets without having to buy them. The overall cost will be more expensive at first, but scales of economy will take over...

Actually, a more likely (or at least sooner available) scenario is that you order something for local pickup from Home Depot, which has a section of 3D printers running, and they print the item on site. It saves a ton of money in shipping and stocking because they don't have to have items on hand "just in case"; even if they have to have the plastic shipped in from somewhere it can be moved much more efficiently than a bunch of individually packaged items.

>>172175

> Also you'll probably be needing to mortgage your house again to buy our console.

Please don't tell me you buy into that garbage about PS4 costing 900 dollars.

>>172070
>>172069
Some MMOs?

But when my internet is slow or down that's when I play games.

This death of the offline singleplayer makes me sad, guys.

>>172176
Moronic as he is, he does hit upon the concerns with each offering. Perhaps more disturbing than the PS4's pretensions as the rich man's idiot box, is Sony's seeming fundamental misunderstanding of its' customer base. This is arguably the issue with all the traditional console contenders right now.

Sony has a red carpet club that's strangely empty once you get inside. 360 feels increasingly like a strip club; even the most gorgeous games seem like they need a case worker and the ATM constantly overcharges you while you hang around various nefarious and questionable types (of all ages!) as everything around you feels more exploitative and grasping at your money over trivial stuff that used to be part of a complete game. Wii-U is Chuckie Cheese's; yeah they have some genuinely fun stuff in the back corner by the skeeball, but the mechanical animal band and the giant touchpad and motion controls are really kind of weird and tbqh any realistic interpretation of the mascot would not be allowed within 500 feet of children and you shouldn't really be within 500 feet of this place you grown-ass man-child.

I actually think Steam, even with potential vaporware, is the strongest contender. Installing the pc as the centerpiece to the home theater system could be a stroke of genius if they keep it open and friendly to indie and developers in general.

>>172214
Aye. Valve, so far, recognizes the power of freedom. They're a business, sure, but they're capitalist artists.

Thinking back to the mid-late 90s, all the kids that teethed on making video game maps for Quake, Doom, Counterstrike.. I have to question the state of the industry and the recreational gaming/hacker community without these freely available opportunities, incentives and environments that today are built on the ones from two decades ago.

>>172214
>I can't stand DRM.
>I want Steam to replace consoles.

>>172217
Generally when people say that, they mean "obtrusive DRM." Steam doesn't make you go through a process every time you install or run a game, and consolidates all the verification into infrequent checks, doesn't force people to be online to play their games, and isn't as prone to catastrophic failure as other forms of DRM. Steam makes it easy to buy and play your games, and making games harder to buy and play (and thereby giving legitimate customers a worse product than pirates get) is what most people hate about DRM. It does grind my gears a little that companies still see policing the people who actually give them money as a wise and justifiable thing to do, but I am willing to compromise when they make good faith efforts to make it painless.

But I assume you already knew that and are just being Moe.

>>172218
To be fair, Steam's offline mode didn't work properly for years. You had to be online to go offline. It was utterly retarded.

>>172200
900?
No, but I'm willing to bet it will cost at least $600 like the last one.

>>172217
Did not actually say I had a problem with DRM. >>172218 has the right idea though. It's not DRM itself that bugs, and Steam would have an advantage over other consoles in leveraging the idea that, if your profile holds across all platforms, you can take your games that you've purchased anywhere and play them anywhere else. DRM after a fashion, yes, but not such that it hampers its' games with critical flaws. I don't mind this sort of DRM so long as I have relative freedom to use the product I purchased where I please. "Always online" is a conceptual problem a lot of companies are facing now, because you are always online
, it's just that not all connections or individual circumstances are created equal. I don't mind paying for my games to be held in a cloud somewhere so long as I can access those games when I want.

I'm more concerned with the moving up of release cycles to 1 year, the additions of on-disc DLC we have to pay for, and generally just the outsourced mess and seedy design decisions becoming industry standard practice. Steam may have its' rough patches but it's one of the oldest and most tested OL distribution platforms, and Valve one of the most respected developers and industry entities. I am more than willing to give them a shot, especially if they can put forth an impressive hardware rig. And even if they don't give it a shot, hell, they might win anyway, seeing as how video game consoles these days are little better than computers hooked up to your TV anyhow. My computer is hooked up to my television right now, the only thing that regularly stops me from playing steam is that I have to do manual setup on the controller for a lot of games (yeah I know my gaming wants are a bit idiosyncratic).

>>172219
I didn't use it in the first few years. Never been much of a PC gamer. But I've been playing some indie titles (and Civ) lately, and since I started using it I find it largely unobjectionable. Its history doesn't really interest me much since it works now, whether or not it did at first.

>>172221

Even though Sony has repeatedly said they're trying to make sure it doesn't?

Also this is my opinion:

Phones and Vacuum Cleaners RELY on electricity or satellite signals to work.

You can bet your bum if they could create a functional vacuum cleaner or cellphone that didn't require you to plug it in or consume power, or use a phone that required all hubs to be working and for you to be in a location with it being relevant then NOBODY would see the point in having an electricity or signal powered cellphone or vacuum cleaner. Everyone who could afford it would instantly jump ship to this miracle technology.

Games? When do games REQUIRE you to be online? MMO games with big-expansive worlds? Maybe.

Any others? ... nope. Yes a lot of games have online capability as a SELLING POINT. But cutting the option for you to fucking use one offline when it logically should be there and possible is just insane.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/04/10/following-twitter-tirade_2c00_-microsoft-designer-adam-orth-has-been-fired.aspx
>Game Informer has learned from sources close to the matter that Orth is no longer with Microsoft.

>>172322
That url isn't working because they changed it:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/04/10/following-twitter-tirade_2c00_-microsoft-designer-adam-orth-resigns.aspx

it's now "resigns"

>lol @ corporate double speak

IGN News - Next Xbox Could 'Ta…

>>172324
>Xbox may be trying to do a whole lot of shit I don't give two shits about and I would most likely have to pay for it to get access to basic online features
Godamnit this is why I didn't buy a PS4. I don't care about cable TV or all this shit. I just want to play vidya, chat, and maybe watch netflix.

>>172337
>I just want to play vidya, chat, and maybe watch netflix.

You can do this on literally every next gen platform, even the 3DS and Vita.

http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/04/rumor-next-xbox-launch-titles-include.html

Content Patch - April 12th, 20…

>>172341
I know
I'm saying that's all I care about and I don't see the point in having to pay for dozens of other features I'll never use. Hell I don't even need Netflix on it anymore now that I have a spare laptop I plugged into my TV.

>>172523
w...what is this saying?

>>172531
Imagine, if you will, having a console that REQUIRED to be online at all times for it to do, really anything. Now imagine the times where that requirement simply can't be met. Not of any fault of yours, but of theirs...

>>172061

Nice psychological analysis of always online defenders:

http://www.psychologyofgames.com/2013/04/the-availability-heuristic-is-always-on/

More Durango rumors from an anonymous source. As always, take it with a heavy grain of salt:

http://pastebin.com/avbwJc17

>Durango will NOT require internet access to play games
>No HMD glasses yet
>VGLeaks specs are true
>Every Durango ships with a Xbox 360 SOC, making Durango 100% BC and more powerful
>D-pad has been improved, but looks the same
>Xbox Mini/Xbox TV is happening
>Durango will be running Windows 8
>Windows app store games will be playable on Durango
>"In other words, any random person worldwide can pay Microsoft a $60 license fee (for the Windows Store) and submit their app/game to the store where millions of people can then download/buy it. No expensive development kits needed."

VGLeaks are here:

http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durango-unveiled-2/
http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-gpu-2/

>>172667
Looks nice. Especially the last part.

>>172667
>Durango will be running Windows 8
wrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyy
However, being able to play apps from the Windows App store might help indie devs. On the other hand, why the fuck wouldn't I just buy a PC at this point?

>Windows 8
>Not always on-line

It's still the worst but for entirely different reasons.

That last part really is wonderful though.

My understanding is that the only real difference between 7 and 8 was interface... which shouldn't matter on xbox because it'll be different anyway.

>>172686
It's a fucking nightmare on just about every level, Interface is just what makes it impossible to deal with everything else.

It has been a disaster since the first reviews and consumer reports, businesses who had converted lost money fast and hard the damage done still having a visible dent, they literally cannot give it away and it has the largest hand in the economic downturn of the already flailing PC market.

It has been an absolute living nightmare for every business, every user, Microsoft themselves, the Stock market, a fiscal cancer and much worse a tower of babel for business.

>>172689
okay so...

what is actually wrong with it?

>>172689
Not every user. The only complaints I have about it are that the Start Screen and Metro apps work better on a touch screen than a regular screen, and shutting down takes a few more clicks than it used to. And when I use it on my Surface Pro instead of my desktop, the interface is a delight.

8 is still just as fast and stable as Windows 7 was for me (and I in no way run a top of the line computer. I barely run a "not underpowered" computer), and if it's less secure, I certainly haven't noticed it--nor has any increase in security been noticeable. And unnoticeable security is good security.

It's also been agreed on by pretty much everyone that the copy window is a huge improvement over previous versions.

>>172691
It's a touch screen-like interface on a PC, where you can't actually touch anything. That's the biggest problem with Windows 8. It wants to hop on the tablet train with apps and shit, but doesn't realize apps are desktops are unnecessary. It's makes everything more complicated then it should be, because you can't swipe and touch anything like you would on a tablet.

It's so bad that MS is now bringing back old functions like the start button back:

http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows-8-plan-blue-bring-back-the-start-button-boot-to-desktop-7000014075/

>>172697
>>172693

...So yeah, like I said, it's just 7 with a shittier interface. Which the Xbox won't have because the interface is always different for a console. So again I ask: what is the issue?

>>172698
Change is scary.

>>172698
Consoles have always been about simplicity, until this last generation. You pop a game in, you play. No downloading, putting in codes, dealing with excess programs, etc. The Big 3 have been expanding that more and more; downloadable games and playing DVDs and such were cool, but then they started doing patches to games, multiplayer games with codes, etc. We've moved far away from the "pop and play" thing that used to set console gaming apart from PC gaming.

So if Durango is going to run off of Windows 8, then why would I bother with the console when I can get a PC that will likely be at least twice as powerful, if not more, for the same price? If they're coding for Windows 8 XBox Edition, it won't be hard to port to Windows 8 Home Edition.

>>172701
XBox has always run on DirectX API though. So it's always been really easy to port from XBox to PC. But yeah, I'm sure this will be the generation when console-game makers finally decide that writing to account for all the hardware variables that PCs are subject to that consoles aren't is worth it just because the idiom with which you launch games and apps is the same as the ARM-only version of Windows.

>>172702
I'm not saying it will make the developers change. I'm saying that why, as a consumer, would I care for the Durango? The vast majority of games for the 360 are already ported to PC, and if Durango runs off of Win8 that will only make it more likely to put a PC port out, not less, so I have even fewer games that will be Durango only.

Furthermore, as the majority of computer-related companies look to the phone and tablet, computer hardware doesn't take the leaps and bounds that it did in the late 90s and early 00s; this means that there's less of an overhead to PC development. And, with a PC, I will likely have far more control over it and can use it for other tasks compared to the Durango, which will likely be a kludged version of Win8.

So, as a consumer, I see no use in the Durango. If the reportedly built-in Kinect actually works well this time for games that don't begin with "Dance Central", then it might be of interest, but otherwise it's just a locked down--and likely overpriced--PC.

I have a windows 8 phone.
The apps are generally worthless.

>The latest suggestion that the Xbox 720 will require an internet connection to play and will not play second hand games comes from David Connolly, managing director at Xing Interactive.

>We spoke to Connolly about the the decline of physical retail, and asked how next-gen could affect this already problematic market.

>"We hear different things from the two big players," Connolly told us in an interview. "Sony are actively asking for more retailers “past, present and new” to help them support their next PS launch."

>Connolly suggests that Sony is being far more open with its approach to the PS4 than Microsoft, who is not looking to accept a wider retailer market if at all possible.

>"I have spoken to sources close to Microsoft on the other hand who insist that the next Xbox will not be compatible with second hand, will require permanently on connection, and 'you’ll have to go through Microsoft to do anything'."

>Connolly adds: "So that would not be good news! Maybe another reason to support PC publishers can I say?!"

>Discussing a potentially digital-only future - and its important on the sector that Xing Interactive primarily targets - Connolly adds that it could only be Microsoft that will cause problems.

>"There could be a big issue on consoles with one of the big players going their own way," said Connolly. "An independent retailer put it this way 'Microsoft will still make a profit out of Xbox. As for the rest of us, tough titty'.

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1897054/next_xbox_will_not_be_compatible_with_second_hand.html

>>172963
As always; sad if true.
On the upside I will have saved myself lots of dosh giving this next generation a pass.

>>172966
If Sony can live up to half it's promises I'm pretty certain I'll be getting a PS4. I really hope they don't disappoint me like they did with the vita. (Which I want but have no reason to get.)

>>172969
If one of those promises is playing PS2 games then yes. Hell their current console plays PS1 games so why don't we keep the ridiculous pattern going?

http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/26/4268782/next-xbox-drm-achievements-live

Wow, it's the same as the PS4. Next gen hype slowly diminishing.

It's looking more like this next generation is just using the lure of video games to try and make consumers complacent with the always-on DRM aspect of what they're doing. If you want to play the games, you have to conform to the expectations and rules and agency of the parent companies.

These companies *really* want to try and be the everything. They want to be the youtube channel you upload your gameplay to and share with friends, they want to be your facebook, they want to be your movies and music entertainment center, they want to take that niche in your life. And then, as that niche you're married to, tell you when, how and what you can do with that stuff you bought. More importantly, tell you what you can and can't do with it, and have justifiable reason to make sure you aren't trying to utilize the data in any way they don't agree with. The video games and the industry itself does not matter to them, because it's becoming more and more apparent they're just the candy coating over the bitter medicine.

How about Nintendo? Have they done any of the draconian shit lately?

>>173241
The cynic in me is thinking, "Did Microsoft change their Xbox console to match the PS4?"

>>173241
I'm still hyped for the PS4. Publishers choose second hand or not and Publishers choose DRM or not is very different. The only thing that could get me unhyped would be if all the games were shit and then it had "NO GAEMS" syndrome vita and Wii U STILL HAVE. If I can't get a second hand copy I'll just wait till the price is down and get it. Nothing really changes for me except when I get it.

>>173250
I'm waiting for more game announcements, but it does look promising. Dedicated share button is kinda silly, but whatever I just won't use it.

>>173251
I forgot about it. I actually might use it because me and my friend get into competitions but so long as it's just it's not shoved down our throats it's fine.

>>173246
Most consumer devices are trying to be multi-purpose nowadays. They'll sell like shit if they can't do more than just a few things at once.
>>173247
After reading up on the leaks, I'm certain their were corparate spies in each camp. Sony and Microsoft's basic core strategy is to at least have parity with each other. This is why the 360/PS3 slowly added each other's features with time, why they both made motion controllers to eat into the Wii's market, and why they both have 3D cameras on their next-gen systems.

This is also, might I add, the most boring strategy ever.

I feel like X-box is a complete parasite system and I always have.

When it preforms best is when it's doing things the others aren't like Gears of War and Halo which while being shooters were fairly innovative until they became the bog standard.

I actually like the X-box a lot but I feel like bog standard is their mission statement.