No offense, but it sounds like the follow up to the PS3 may not be a worthwhile investment. I personally HATE the "social" shit. I hate the Nintendo Mii crap as well. I play videogames to play. Not to use my gaming device as a movie viewer or chat. All these non-gaming additions do is jack up the price undeservedly. And if its true that the PS4 won't have BC, then frankly I hope it fails and Sony is booted off the gaming industry.

>The new system will incorporate “more social gaming aspects”
It will be called Home and will incorporate tens of things.

> the PlayStation manufacturer considered removing the system’s disc drive in favor for an all-digital console
Considering how okay Sony and Microsoft are with offering different versions of their console, I don't know why they couldn't have offered one with a disc drive and one without; let users choose, and whichever one sells more leads the way for the 8th gen.

>>169439
I like the idea of social integration in my games as an option, not shoved down my front or created at the expense of something else.

>>169441
Sony tried that with the PSP Go and it bombed.

>>169445
And everyone knows once something fails the first time, you should never try to do it ever again, because circumstances never change and alterations to the original design never make something better.

>>169448
Sony's not exactly in a position to take another high gamble risk. PS3 is definitely in better shape now then it was on launch day, but the PS Vita is struggling badly in the handheld market.

With Sony experiencing losses in their once profitable divisions, the PS4 can literally make or break the company.

>>169449
Would you say that it is time to return to Nintendo for next gen?

>>169448
>PSP Go - Digital Only
>Every other modern system: Digital and physical

How would going digital-only benefit a console? The PSP-Go at least had the benefit of being more portable. A Console would lose the ability to play CDs and DVDs/BDs, along with costing more to accommodation a larger hard drive.

>>169449
>With Sony experiencing losses in their once profitable divisions, the PS4 can literally make or break the company.

This'll be fun to watch. Judging by how they've operated in the past 5 years, the PS3 will probably be built around tying into their other projects and addressing the strengths of their competitors. That means:

>Better Vita connectivity. (Not just for remote play, but possible Wii-U ports.)
>4K Something. (If not games, then movies. Possibly multi-layered BD Support and HEVC 4K movie downloads/rentals over PSN)
>Some sort of phone connectivity. (I have no idea lol)
>3D HMD's like the Oculus Rift(?)
>More of the 360 and Vita's online features, like Party Chat and social media integration.
>Apps. For real this time.

Of course, this is only if they actually try.

>>169451
I really hope whatever they do, they don't shoot themselves in the foot.

>>169455
You act as though they have feet without bullet holes.

I'll just wait to see if it gets a game I can't live without.

>TWO WEEKS

Please, please actually be HD this time.

If it's backwards compatible to PS3 I'll pick it up, cause I hate that I was too poor to get into the current gen market outside of the Wii that I own.

I like the controller holds your account thing that got rumored, that is cool.

>>169670
I was close to purchasing the new God of War PS3 bundle, before this big announcement. Now I'm waiting to see what the PS4 has to offer.

If Sony didn't screw up the PS3 launch so badly, I would have bought the system a long time ago instead of an Xbox 360. It sounds like they learned their lesson, with reports of the PS4 being more friendly to design than the previous system, but I'm still a bit pessimistic about it. It's their handling of the PS Vita that's making me think they haven't learned a thing.

>>169670
>If it's backwards compatible to PS3
That will only last a year.

>>169681
>It's their handling of the PS Vita that's making me think they haven't learned a thing.

There isn't really a perilous fuck-up concerning the Vita's launch. They just put a system out in a shrunken market (one in which they were always underdogs) and without killer apps.

>>169693
They also have the same issue the PS3 had at launch. Even with killer apps, it's still 250. I want to buy one but damn it's pretty hard to afford one.

>>169696

To be fair. 3DS was WAY MORE unreasonably priced than Vita.

And it had a much shittier gimmick.

>>169774
3DS is the successor to the DS, one of the most successful devices in gaming history with what might be the strongest game library of any platform. The "gimmick" of the 3DS was entirely superfluous to its success.

Vita, like any Sony console, needs a strong third party library to succeed. It'll get there eventually, I'm sure (Sony's very good at eventually getting great third party support), but right now the only Vita-exclusive game that's even really worthy of attention is Persona 4 Golden. And while it's not as good as Golden, Persona 4 is already available to people who don't have the Vita, which limits sales.

Vita's just off to a slow start until its game library comes around. If you'll remember correctly, the PSP wasn't exactly doing great compared to the GBA/DS when it first came out either. Like Moe said, they needed to wait until they had more killer apps if they wanted a strong launch. Nintendo could afford to learn the same thing (their launches have been fairly weak lately, and Wii U has just launched with an underwhelming launch library as well), but Nintendo fans are a lot more likely to buy a Nintendo system on faith than Sony fans are.

>A trusted source has told IGN that this controller is real. However, our source notes that it's an early prototype. The controller, in other words, is likely to change between now and when the console launches.

>>170213
Looks like a touchpad and a speaker. I will say that the speaker in the controller was one of the things I liked about the Wiimote. Holding it to your ear like a cellphone as Sylvia read off some weird-ass poetry in No More Heroes was a cool experience, though hopefully this speaker is more powerful than the Wiimote was.

I'm not sure how handy a touchpad would be. Maybe if the point was to just record swipes, that might be understandable. Now, if it was a mini touch screen that would offer game-customizable buttons or shortcuts, that would make more sense, and what I wish Nintendo had done with the GamePad.

Also, I wonder if the light on the top of the controller is more significant than a standard "yup, it's on" light. Almost looks like an adaptation of the Move's ball, which would be an interesting addition (and better than the Sixaxis.)

Courtesy of /v/.

>>170214
from the color tone that is my thinking too about move integration and a really good idea. Course the standard problem with a lot of features in a small space is some having not as good parts as if they were a separate peripheral. Hopefully it will be like the Xbox controller evolution where things started out as a brick but shrunk down and maintained and even added some functionality.

>>170216
Early dev versions of hardware are universally more bulky than their final counterparts. At this point the features and computer hardware are more or less finalized, so they throw the guts into some generic plastic chunk in order to get it to devs ASAP so they can get working on games to launch alongside the console. While we can get an idea of what the functionality of the controller will be from these, there will be a fair amount of change between what we see now and what ships with the PS4.

The gloves are off:

http://www.superpolypixel.com/sonys-pr-team-is-trolling-nintendo-microsoft-with-ps4/

>>170261
Wii fit came out half a decade ago.

But I'm interested to see what they do. Hope it's not too gimmicky.

Hey!

Guys!

Hey guys!

What if PS4 will be PS2 compatible?

>>170267
This is actually more likely than PS3 compatibility at this point.

>>170268
At this point I'd be surprised if it had even that.

Another leak?

http://onehitpixel.com/2013/02/15/second-photo-of-playstation-4-controller-leaked/44498

>>170268
I want to see what upscaling/smoothing/deinterlacing abilities that may bring.

Evolution of PlayStation: The Beginning

>Sony is planning to offer technology to stream games to its next videogame console, people familiar with the company's plans say, alongside other enhancements to bolster its position in the market.

>The new technology, to be unveiled Wednesday along with the new console, will allow users to play games delivered over the Internet, these people said. The streaming service, they added, is designed to use current PlayStation 3 titles on the new console; the new device is also expected to play new games stored on optical discs.

>Sony's plans come after it acquired Gaikai Inc. last year for $380 million. Though many companies now offer simple games over the Internet, Gaikai was one of several companies that offered online access to visually intense games, which ordinarily require specialized circuitry found on high-end personal computers and gaming consoles.

http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/02/wall-street-journal-playstation-4-will.html

>>170287
>mite b cool
>wait, why does this leave out so many interesting and important things about the first Playstatio-
>oh, it's just a glorified ad

>>170287
If you want real history, listen to the appropriately titled episode of gaminghistory101.

>>170306
>Implying the Move was anything but pathetic me-tooism

>>170314
But they toooooooootaly had it planed yeaaaaaaaaaaars before the Wii yo!

For the sake of my dad that they rip off the WiiU pad.
He really love playing cod:bo2 muli on that thing.

Also http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/h09zmi/playstation-4-top-5-playstation-moments
Good times.

Ultra-HD confirmed

>>170334
>The Sun

>>170335
This was my exact reaction.

>>170334
The fuck is "Ultra-HD?"

>>170340
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_high_definition_television

Essentially, HD is 2K lines (1080p), Ultra HD is 4K lines.

Sony's new marketing team is really stepping up for the occasion. Haven't seen ads like this or the yoga crack here >>170261 since the PSOne days.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=mTi5EaocGaY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmTi5EaocGaY

It's fitting, since the rumored tagline for the PS4 is "Play for the first time again."

>>170342
Crash Bandicoot Commercial with Nintendo

>>170340
Something we shouldn't have spent money developing.

>>170341
I'd kill for a 4K Monitor. Too bad they won't be affordable until around 2 years from now.

>>170378
You didn't honestly expect tech to just stop at 1080p, right? Especially after people spent 20 years complaining about "jagged" 3D graphics and smartphones/handhelds have given everyone a massive pixel-density hardon.

>>170342
I wish they wouldn't fuel the idiotic console wars. That's really something we should be moving away from.

>>170383
But that was their perceived Golden Era of recognition. Back when their only competition was Nintendo and Sega was bowing out. So yea a fallback to '90s era ploy while kinda childish makes sense.

>>170383
I don't think we've had a proper Sega-Does-What-Nintendon't bare-fist advertising battle between the consoles since the '90s. Since then the companies have only obliquely criticised each other and concentrated more on bigging themselves up and creating wanky university-graduate ad campaigns like that terrifying THE THIRD PLACE nonsense. Sony returning to brass tacks is actually kind of refreshing, but it's clear that they're out of practice considering they're attacking the competition for doing things they themselves do.

>>170387
Well they can't do Mascot Mocking since their "Mascot" has been out of the game for a while.

>>170382
>Too bad they won't be affordable until around 2 years from now.

Man, Sony sure is shooting themselves in the foot there, making a console with untapped potential that won't be viable for another few years, when Sony's TV and Monitor divisions can make products able to exploit them.

This next gens tag line (for all three) should really be: "We're really hoping you'll settle with at least one of us."

>>170391
much less anyone making games with that level of detail since BR discs are just now working out the specs for that level of recording.

>>170394
They used that this generation though.

>>170387
>I don't think we've had a proper Sega-Does-What-Nintendon't bare-fist advertising battle between the consoles since the '90s.
That's something I was very happy about.
The last thing the industry needs is companies encouraging its consumers to act like asshats.

>>170382
I thought the human eye could barely determine appreciable differences in anything over 1080p.

>>170404
the human eye can go much higher beyond even the maximum of Future HD. I believe the Human Vision acuity was equated to 500 Megapixels again its a hard thing to equate digital measurements to organic "analog" systems though what it can detect and appreciate so itcould be a personal thing (I dislike the High HD stuff because it makes it look "cheap" to me). What really stops HD is the current storage mediums and even at its Apex for next gen HD they'll have to figure out a system different than Blu Ray since it won't be able to handle the data on that level of processing gigabytes per frame even with upgrades to its writing medium.

Saw this as what a 15k Resolution would work out to


>A standard 1 1/2 hour movie would be 370,785,600 GB

So I think that end the end as with Digital Cameras its going to be what people see as usable as some are now saying we've largely reached a plateau with those where the average consumer doesn't need and won't desire a camera more than the 12-15 MP range.

I'm glad we don't have sniping in commercials in general as much anymore. I hate this whole "ours is better, you're not allowed to like both" mentality. It only encourages me to buy neither.

I wish there was more individuality between consoles, though. I know people who bought neither a 360 or a PS3 because they didn't feel there was enough of a difference to choose either.

The controller screen is so small. I wonder for what it will be used.

>>170436
Ain't been reading the thread? It's for the Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, and Reddit buttons.

Things are finally coming up Sony:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/technology/article3681136.ece

Side Questing also tracked the popularity of the PS4 announcement with this informative graph:

http://www.sidequesting.com/2013/02/trending-february-17th-sony-is-up-nintendo-and-microsoft-are-down-down-down/

You know so long as PS4 doesn't have the "NO GAEMS" issue both the wii U and vita has I can see this being a successful console. I know it the reverse compatibility is an issue but if they have good games for it on consistent basis people will want to buy it.

Sony's stocks are back to "Buy" thanks to the PS4 (and Xperia Z smartphone being a top seller in Japan).

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/13432/article/sony-s-playstation-4-plans-attributed-to-huge-stock-increase/

There's also a strong demand for the PS4 from Gamestop and European retailers:

http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/15/ps4-gamestop-registers-strong-demand-for-new-console/

http://www.gamezone.com/news/2013/03/13/retailers-experiencing-unprecedented-demand-for-ps4-pre-orders

>>170484
In theory you are right. In practice no fucking way. Generic shooters? Pass. Never was a fan and if I was I'd be burned out by now. Infamous is just another cheapquel.

Capcom now makes games with the purpose of PISSING people off regardless. Konami can't stop whoring Metal Gear games and that series has gone stale. Square Enix is now a shell of its former self when its best games are HD Collections from PS2's gen (KH 1.5) and its FF brand has been smeared thanks to FF13.

There is no guarantee of quality for the PS4 like how there was for the PS3 (til the disappointment came about). I know people who bought a PS3 JUST because of the eventual release of FF13. Now? Fuck if they'll even try to get a PS4.

To tell you the truth, the PS4 is a more difficult sell since the PS3 has been underwhelming gaming wise and it seems like its big focus was the social media shit that Sony whored out at the presentation and I frankly don't give a shit about that garbage. I won't even consider looking at a PS4 til after two price drops and for me to buy one I need actual games worth giving a shit about.

I think I would have been fine with them just making a less power hungry machine with similar capability to the original, non-stripped-down PS3. It was beefed up enough that I'd expect something like it would be able to compete with the WiiU and whatever Microsoft goes with, and developers have some actual experience with the architecture it uses now. Though that's partly because I have one already, and don't really expect to get a new console from them soon no matter what it is.

>>170382
I was hoping it'd at least wait another generation before bringing out an excuse for another line of televisions that "everybody needs to get". Still don't even care about regular HD, I'm not bothering with this. Though since Sony also makes televisions, it makes sense they would try.

>Square-Enix announced Final Fantasy Versus XIII years ago and the game was lost in the limbo. Square decided to halt Versus PS3 development two years ago, but the RPG wasn’t cancelled, why? Two years ago, Square-Enix moved the game to PS4 and Sony got in the project.

>Actually Sony is co-developing the game with Square-Enix, therefore, this game will be exclusive on PS4. Square renamed Versus to FF15 in the middle of this process. Sony’s studios are helping SE with FF15 assets among other tasks.

>We hinted this PS4 exclusive one month ago, but we couldn’t speak freely about this topic. Now, it’s all that we can say.

http://www.vgleaks.com/final-fantasy-xv-will-be-exclusive-on-ps4/

>>170857
Well, pretty much everyone saw that coming from a mile away.

>>170857
So I guess if the main KH team is being held hostage for this game that will be on the PS4....then KH3 will also be for the PS4 (unless they let the BBS Osaka team to make KH3) which is a console that CANNOT play PS3 games and is getting those HD Collections with new content like the Days movie. Eesh. Way to fail Square Enix.

Let me guess SE will make new HD Collections for the PS4 for these same KH games and FFX yet again?

>>170866
You still think KH3 is a thing?

>>170896
Dude, KH3 is one of those few games people want out of SE along with the fabled FF7 remake.

>>171598
KH3 is something I want because I'd like to see the story concluded, FF7 remake not so much (unless they're adding stuff from the later spin-offs). FF7 was done well the first time, there's no need to remake it. I'd rather see them remake a game they bungled the heck out of and do it right.

>>171600
Tear down Crono Cross and rebuild into an actual Trigger Sequel?

>>171603
Crono Cross was the actual sequel.

>>171603

If you do that it isn't Cross anymore.

>>171598
And TWEWY2: Electric Boogaloo.

And Bravely Default.

And a proper sequel to Legend of Mana, instead of the bullshit they've done in the recent years with the series.

...oh, and they need to get Quintet on the phone and talk them into resurrecting the Soul Blazer series.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/04/sony-indies/?cid=co6980084

>>172193
With the possibility of a AAA game crash on the horizon, everyone's looking for a way to court people who can make good games on a budget. About time, really. Too many good games got passed up last gen because they weren't retail.

Alright, the refurbished PS3 I ordered stopped playing games and cds. I had it two days, and it just stopped working.
.....but to be fair to the PS3, I was playing Sonic Unleashed. So it might have just said "Fuck this" and killed it's own disk drive.
Anyway, I'm thinking of sending it here after I mess with it a bit: http://www.endlesselectronics.org/
Oh, check out their wall of shame. Why would anyone take a heat gun to the guts of...anything is beyond me.

>Sony has proven itself over the course of the PS3's lifecycle that it's not afraid to try something different and target different markets.

>ModNation Racers, LittleBigPlanet, MAG and the likes of Journey or Tokyo Jungle on the PSN Store are all names that - while not huge sellers like Uncharted - show that Sony is willing to try new things.

>This will remain for the PS4, it seems, with Sony's Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida claiming in an interview in the latest issue of Edge that not all games will be targeted at FPS players.

>When asked about why the importance of the PS4 reveal's first game being decidely cutesy game Knack, Yoshida said "Yeah, it was pretty intentional.

>"Mark's idea was like, "What about a Crash Bandicoot for PS4?" When he suggested the concept of Knack, we were like, "Yeah, we hate to see all the PS4 games being FPS or action-adventure or very photorealistic" - you know, big-budget blockbuster games."

>Yoshida added, "We know that people like these games, but these are not the only kinds of games that people can have fun with."

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1880716/we_hate_to_see_all_ps4_games_being_fps_yoshida.html

>>172237
Sony confirmed for based?

>>172298
Maybe. We'll have to see how well they keep on it.

>Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida claims the topic of a PlayStation 4 locked down by always-on DRM restrictions never came up. While rumors of such things surround talk of the Next Xbox, Yoshida's sure to put some minds at rest.

>"Did we consider it? No, we didn’t consider it," he claims in a Game Informer interview. "The main reason being that many countries don’t have robust Internet connections. It makes sense for people to have Internet connections to play online games, but for offline games there are many countries that we saw do not really have robust Internet."

>Yep! That is but one of several reasons why an always-online console would be a terrible idea, and I'm glad Sony at least has its head screwed on in that regard. Latest word is that Microsoft will not be doing it either, but the amount of rumors about the upcoming Xbox seem to indicate it at least considered it, going mentally further than Sony claims to have.

>The very fact the idea existed, even as a theoretical, disgusts me. But hey, at least Sony seems to have no intention of screwing both itself and its consumers in the pursuit of yet more toothless anti-piracy placebos. That's good.

http://www.destructoid.com/sony-didn-t-consider-always-online-ps4-restrictions-253318.phtml

Fun fact: If you own both a Sony Xperia Z and a playstation, you can get around 25 euros of free Playstation Store credit by downloading the 'Xperia Privilege' app. Check your privilege!
Not sure if it works in US yet, but UK and EU are fine.

>>173900
>at least Sony seems to have no intention of screwing both itself and its consumers
Oh, don't worry, Sony will find new and innovative ways to screw consumers.

>>173900
>Did we consider it? No, we didn’t consider it
I very highly doubt it. But the fact that they won't is perfectly fine.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/08/sony-ps-mobile-licensing-fee-lifted/
>Sony lifting development license fee on PlayStation Vita and Mobile starting ... yesterday
I don't know how much this will invigorate indie development for the Vita or Sony phones, but it's a step that shows that Sony is trying to do away with NO GAEMS. A positive, if minimal, move.

>>173912
I'll never understand why people keep saying Sony has no games when it comes to the home console when it's Nintendo with this problem now-a-days.

As for the Vita; good on them that they're doing that. I'm hoping for a Vita Skullgirls, but it would still cost the team money to convert it to fit and all that which is a bummer.

>>173913
Because the meme was born from Sony. And yeah, they have a nice PS3 library now, but the Vita's library is still fairly sparse, about where the 3DS was a year or two ago, and that's what this move targets.

>>173914
>the Vita's library is still fairly sparse, about where the 3DS was a year or two ago

The Vita's Library is better than the 3DS' right now. It's just a bunch of good games that nobody cares about.

>>173916
No Moe, the Vita has ONE good exclusive. ONE. Soul Sacrifice. Literally EVERY OTHER GAME WORTH PLAYING is already available on another system.

>>173917
Soul Sacrifice isn't even that good, anon. It's like SMG/Uncharted 2 where it gets a bunch of good reviews and hype, becomes "de facto good", and the platform gains good will for it existing. Gravity Rush was the "de facto good" Vita game before Soul Sacrifice, and both aren't really world enders. There are tons of better Vita games, but nobody cares about them because they don't carry a prestigious image.

Still, the Vita needs more games like that, because image matters more than having good games.

>>173921
> There are tons of better Vita games
You aren't actually naming any.

Gravity Rush was garbage as was the entire Uncharted series by the way.

>>173924
>Gravity Rush was garbage as was the entire Uncharted series by the way.
It's cute how you're bashing someone for not posting valid arguments/examples with their opinion and then proceed to do the exact same thing yourself. While I get that the Uncharted series isn't for everyone, calling it 'garbage' is just plain stupid.

>>173934
>you're bashing someone for not posting valid arguments/examples with their opinion
I'm not bashing "someone." I'm bashing "Moe."

The difference is significant.

As for Uncharted, there's not one creative or interesting thing about it. It stole the platforming from Tomb Raider, the shooting from every third person shooter ever, and the story/dialogue from Insert Generic Action Film Here. National Treasure comes to mind, except Nathan Drake will never be as entertaining for hilarious as Nicholas Cage.

It's the Frankenstein of video games, and a major step down from Naughty Dog's previous work with the Jak games (or at least Jack 2 and 3).

>>173940

>the Jak games (or at least Jack 2 and 3)

You mean basically every platformer except with a Grand Theft Auto map thrown in?

Also I went back and watched Jak 2/3's cutscenes. The plot is not as glamorous as I remember. A lot of characterization is spotty, dialogue ranges from from mildly entertaining to basically serving as exposition dumps and it's painfully apparent that the game was written from the perspective OF a game which makes a lot of cut-scenes awkward to listen to.

It's hard to take things seriously when a lot of the time character interaction boils down to 'Do this thing that'll advance the plot along maybe!'

The characters were... cache stereotypes and a lot of the conflict felt contrived at times. Jak 2 tries to emphasize Jak's DARK SIDE but this rarely if ever translates to anything from a game mechanics perspective as you're always in control of Dark Jak form and he doesn't cause any real harm or damage with it which never gives the impression that it'll destroy him. The story seems to try and pain Jak going through some kind of redemption arc but we don't get any dialogue that would imply it and no overt characterization to show it. There's ELEMENTS of a decent story in there but they all go by so quickly and with such carelessness it's like I'm watching an episode of Legend of Korra.

Jak 3 is hampered by a twist ending that at once is a neat idea, nay I'd say it's a GREAT IDEA, but again it's hampered by a confusing execution. If Daxter is a Precursor and the Precursors are Ottsels like him then what the hell is the Precursor Stone? How come Jack had to touch it without being corrupted by Dark Eco? How come the metal head leader didn't know Precursors were Ottsels, you'd think he'd seen one or two. If he did then why didn't he freak out upon seeing Daxter? Why did he think the stone was a precursor egg? Do Ottsels actually lay eggs? Pretty big fucking egg for a tiny rat thing. What was that thing that came out of the stone at the end of Jak 2? It appeared to be some manner of projection in Jak 3 but that just raises further questions. Was it some kind of Beacon that let the Precursors know what planet it was on and thus they sent the projection there? Was it just a special artifact that harnessed and powered Eco?

Why was Errol brought back as the antagonist of Jak 3? Why was he a cyborg? Did the Dark Makers find and rebuild him when he blew himself up? Did he rebuild himself with Krimson Guard robot tech and THEN make contact with the Dark Makers? Why? Originally he was just a dick who wanted the same girl Jak did and worked for Baron Praxis. Why is he now the harbinger of all that is wicked in the universe? Were the fucking Reapers not enough of a threat?

How come Jack was into Keira for Jak 1/2 and then suddenly be all up in Ashlynn's crib for Jak 3? I thought she and Torn had some thing going on! But maybe that's just my shipping senses talking and me being stupid. Seriously though I wanna like the Jak plotlines but goddamn the more I think about them the more they leave a million and one questions unanswered. And given Naughty Dog wanted it to be a complete trilogy and just made Jak X as a side game (and nobody likes Lost Frontier) I think it's a poor oversight they didn't at least TRY to have some of it make sense.

>>173944
Okay I take it back: Naughty Dog was never good.