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213904 No. 213904
Won't you buy me...
Piano Chord...
Dictionary...

Pic is Infinity Reading List. I really hope these charts aren't the best thing to come out of Hickman's run because so far...eugh.

In other news:
It's the X-Men vs. The Future and the Future ain't pretty!
The Ultimate Universe may just survive the Double Galactus!
The Thors Three strike the Godbomb! A lot!
The Four Horsemen of Death make their move all over the Uncanny Avengers!
Also, Avengers Assemble and Hulks: Agent of SMASH or something if you're into shoddily made cartoons...
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>> No. 213906
It's ok to have a bad feeling about this, right?
>> No. 213915
>>213906
It's a crossover event, so it comes with the territory
>> No. 213916
>>213906
Really it'd be a bigger surprise if it wasn't completely awful.
>> No. 213949
>>213916
Yeah, people keep forgetting that there's two halves to every awful crossover: The writers and editorial. Editorial is what makes crossovers so shitty, since they need to "set up the next big thing in the Marvel U! You'll never believe who is back! Everything changes! All of the things, are new things, not the same things! Did you like the current status quo? GET FUCKED! CONSUME YOUR OWN PENIS!" etc etc
>> No. 213950
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Would Magneto (Erik, I don't know his last name) still be all "mutants are the best" and be all uppity as he is if he his mutant powers, well...sucked?

Let's say he had Beak's powers instead of magnetic manipulation. What then? What would he be like?
>> No. 213951
>>213950
He'd basically be exactly the same except he'd find a super attractive Magneto style guy to puppeteer and he's go on about how he can see the would with a bird's eye view of how humanity is destroying everything and such.
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>>213950
The better question is what if Magneto acted like a stereotypical Jewish grandpa?

Mel Brooks as Magneto?
>> No. 213962
>>213957
Oh man,,, I just watched Hebrew Hammer yesterday,,,
>> No. 213963
>>213957
Oh man, this would be amazing. Why hasn't Saturday Night Live done this yet?
>> No. 213968
#TRUTHINJOURNALISMyoutube thumb
>> No. 214084
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>>213968
>> No. 214202
Okay so Hulk and the agents of SMASH is TERRIBLE, they completely blew the budget on writers and voice actors and so the animation might as well be a motion comic.
>> No. 214204
>>214202
yea both it and the new Avengers are utter turds SMASH being somehow worse.
>> No. 214205
>>214204
Because it's REALLY close to a motion comic.

The fact that they cancelled Mighty for the new stuff makes them look awful, I have literally seen first time animation attempts that look better, that is in no way hyperbole.
>> No. 214206
>>214205
oh I know, heck they had sequences of Motion Comic type back in '90s Marvel shows and it didn't look this garbage.
>> No. 214208
>>214206
Christ, I also like how they try to use FUCKING PANELS to give it a sense of dynamic.
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>>214208
fucking Clutch Cargo level shit.
>> No. 214213
>>214209
The reviews are fucking damning, IGN who is usually coated in Marvel's semen rated them 5 out of 10.
>> No. 214223
why dont they just try and make it like an anime
aka just trace panels from the more kid friendly stories
>> No. 214234
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214234
Disney for all that is good either take it away from them or take it out back. Either would be more humane then letting this continue.
>> No. 214241
>>214202
>they completely blew the budget on writers

If that's true, they got gypped. The writing is just as poor as the animation.
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>>214241
I'm just surprised he didn't find a way to jam Zatanna into it.
>> No. 214251
Just checking, Thor can fly nowadays through some method other than chucking Mjolner and being dragged along behind it as it flies straight through the air?
>> No. 214252
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Are you ready for the end to the prelude to the tie-in arc to the summer event, Infinity?

Any high hopes for this one or will it be as meh as the other installments?

What are your impressions on this and New Avengers so far? Of Jonathan Hickman?
>> No. 214253
>>214251
He can just fly, that's just used for speedier leaps.
>> No. 214262
>>214252

I haven't read past the first story arc or so, but I'm gonna guess it's like his other work.

Beginning
>Oh man, this is actually really different and Interesting!

Middle
>Okay, no, I'm still down, but there's something missing here...

Climax
>Okay, that was cool I guess, but I feel like we took the scenic route to get here, but the scenery wasn't all that interesting.

End
>Really? That's how you want to end this?

This was especially true for me for Nightly News. In fact, I think that and Pax Romana are the only Hickman books I actually followed through to the end. I remember getting really bored of his marbvel stuff. I think Shield was pretty good early on, as was FF, but neither held my interest. Avengers is the same way, except I found myself only really keeping up for the Jerome Opena Art, and then that changed and I completely stopped giving a shit.
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I need to know this for a thing I'm working on.

Whats the current Status of Marvel's black knight? He's been hanging out with his squire Faiza right? What gear is he carrying these days, he's had alot of magical and scientfic swords and shields I'm not sure which one he's using anymore or their abilities. Does he even use any of the flying pegasi anymore?
>> No. 214596
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I CAN'T STOP THIS FEELIN

http://vk.com/video-28416224_165782862?hd=1

DEEP INSIDE OF ME~
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-Black Swan is a member if the Illuminati now
-The Space Knights perish against the Builders; Captain Universe is there, but does nothing to stop it
-The Avengers beat up Skrulls with SWORD's help
-Kree transmission reveals the Builders are powerful enough to take out Accusers and are headed to Earth
-The Outrider discovers the secret of the Four Kings and Lost Queen of the Inhumans, kills some guards, survives a point blank Black Bolt whisper and escapes to tell Thanos
-The Avengers leave to fight the Builders while Thanos aims to attack the somewhat defenseless Earth


Tah-dah
>> No. 214692
>>214596
That sexy helmet looks even sexier in live action, awesome
>> No. 214701
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>>214277
I always liked him in the Avengers. I'm pretty sure he isn't dead at least.

>>214655
Weren't the Anihilators formed to stop this shit?
>> No. 214714
>>214655
The builders are rubbish, so generic and "hurr super powerful cosmic race". The Space Knights didn't deserve to be jobbed to them to build up hype.

Also I'm tired of Cap being written like an ass.
>> No. 214784
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214784
so who's up for some Irredeemable Ant Man
>> No. 214792
>>214784
I don't know, I always had a soft spot for the Redeemable Ant-Man, that they are apparently using in the movie.
>> No. 214889
>>214655

Why are there Turians in this?

>>214714
>Also I'm tired of Cap being written like an ass.

So you're tired of seeing how Cap is written outside of his own book? It's always been like that post-Kirby era. Everyone writes Cap like a stiff asshole and basically the responsible, lame, dad-type who is behind the times, even though that's entirely wrong.

>>214784

If it's not Pym, then I'm not going to bother getting excited for it. My reasons, I believe are pretty obvious at this point. That, and I never really read too many comics with Scott Lang or Eric O'Grady, to be honest. What I have read didn't pique my interest.

>>214701

I thought we all knew that anything written by Abnett & Lanning didn't matter at this point since it was pretty much going to be ignored. As soon as Bendis got his claws on the Guardians of the Galaxy, and moved them to Earth, it all became irrelevant.
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Good Black Bolt stories can be identified by how often Black Bolt uses his voice. The lesser the better. Basically they already completely fucked up in issue 1.
Not to mention someone forgot to tell the artist that Gorgon looks like motherfucking THIS now.
>> No. 214894
>>214889
>stiff asshole and basically the responsible, lame, dad-type who is behind the times
None of that is enough to characterize him as an ass, though. He's probably being written like in ultimates or some shit.
>> No. 214896
>>214889
No, whats being referred to is that for a long time 616 cap has been written more like he's Ultimates Cap
>> No. 214898
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>>214892
The fuck happened to him?

>>214896
Which is stupid because we have USAgent for that. I still laugh at the time a cosmic entity presents him a bunch of different Caps from various times and universes. His first response is to ask why a girl and a giant Mexican are dressed like Cap.

It's sad when a crossover with a comedy show is better than your other animation projects Marvel.
>> No. 214902
>>214898
To qualify for being a hero in Marvel you pretty much have to be both incompetent and an asshole.
>> No. 214905
How else will you show how troubled, deep, and real they are?
>> No. 214911
>>214898
Remember how after House of M Quicksilver lost his powers?

Well, to get NEW powers, he kind of robbed the Inhumans, and Gorgon ended up getting overdosed with Terrigen.

These events were subsequently ignored as Quicksilver becoming a villain, and the 'Inhumans leaving to rule the Kree Empire' storylines were dropped to allow Quicksilver to not be evil and for the Inhumans to be back on Earth again.
>> No. 214919
>>214902
USAgent is an asshole. Not incompetent though. The man had the balls to walk up to Zeus, Herc and Athena and tell them to fuck off with their fruity toga party, his God is the only real god.

>>214911
I never understood why people wanted Wanda dead yet didn't give a damn about the one who manipulated her.
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>>214919
USAgent also doesn't pussyfoot when it comes to putting Alternate Universes out of their misery.
>> No. 214952
>>214894
>>214896

Sounds awful.

>>214898
> His first response is to ask why a girl and a giant Mexican are dressed like Cap.

Excuse me, what? What the ever-loving fuck? This sounds like it was supposed to be a Ultimates story when Hickman was on that book, but now he's using the Avengers. Probably because the Ultimate Line is being taking out back and shot.

By the way, I just heard about this Cataclysm thing for Ultimate Comics and how they're ending the Ultimate line with it and bringing Ultimate Spider-Man, Miles Morales, to the mainstream Marvel Universe.

>>214911

I remember that. Both the Quicksilver mini and the Inhumans mini were great read. Of course they were ignored, because they got in the way of what newer writers wanted to do with the characters that was just sooooo interesting.

>>214919

I'll admit it takes a lot of balls to be a huge dick to some Gods. I kinda liked USAgent in The Invaders, which was a pretty good book.
>> No. 214953
>>214952
Its in-character for US Agent to react like that, he was basically ultimate cap (Super strong, MURRICA STRONK! Asshole) before ultimates was a thing.

Also if thats not just a rumour anymore and is actually happening thats so stupid, we don't need black spider-teen replacing Peter in 616, especially with the awful 'send off' he got.

Honestly I don't see why you people pay for these rags.
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>>214898
How many female Captain America's have there been shown in the Multiverse?
>> No. 214957
>>214952
Not even getting crippled slowed him down. He's not a bad guy. Just an ass at times.

Anyone read Captain America Corps? Time is unraveling and it links back to the Steve Rogers from different worlds going missing. This cosmic entity summons WW2 Steve, Bucky Cap, USAgent, American Dream and a Captain of the year 2500 to stop it. I thought it was ok.

>>214954
A couple actually.
>> No. 214964
>>214953

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/08/15/all-ultimate-titles-cancelled-in-november-and-replaced-with-cataclysm/
>> No. 214967
>>214964

...That's...not ideal...
>> No. 214983
Remember when Marvel said the day they crossed over 616 and U was the day they would be completely out of ideas? I think this is pretty much the definitive example of that.
>> No. 214990
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Just to make sure the X Men aren't the only ones with mass murderers on their team.

Remember that time Cap beat the shit out of Punisher for shooting at supervillains hunting them. Or Spiderman punching a man who lost his child to Carnage for having the nerve to try and blow Cletus' head off.

This just makes you look bad guys.
>> No. 214991
>>214990
The new Captain Universe and all the Builder-related characters are complete crap. This whole plotline is just more terrible Event-tier nonsense.
>> No. 214993
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The M(inority) AVENGERS are going to be used to try and be sensitive to racial issues/attempt to get more black people to buy their comics but end up being so ham-handed and/or stereotypical its going to be highly insulting and/or stupid, right?

Somewhat off-topic but Luke Cage is still overhyped/pushed as a character by Marvel.
>> No. 215004
>>214993
Power Kid and White Tiger aside (what happened to the White Tiger from Christopher Priest's Panther and Crew?) I don't mind this lineup. I'd switch Luke Cage for War Machine in a fucking heartbeat though. I'd switch Kaine for Spock too but thatd take him out of Texas.

If they just focus on superheroics I'd love it. No hero vs. hero shit. No grand sweeping events. If the comic was just "punch Dr. Doom in the face" I'd be happy.
>> No. 215008
>>214990
...who now?
>> No. 215116
>>215004

White Tiger, the other one, was killed off in Bendis's Daredevil when Matt was defending him in court after a bad situation made it look like he was robbing an electronics store. His cousin (also from Bendis's Daredevil, I think) is the new White Tiger.

Man, Daredevil has been kinda shitty to Latino characters the last decade or so. I liked Brubaker's run and all, but I hate what he did to Black Tarantula. He went from being this sort of cross between The Phantom/Black Panther (Mantle passed from Father to Son, drinks special potion, etc) and Bane (Grim, intelligent, south American drug Lord), sort of this unstoppable force who speaks very precisely and intelligently and then Brubaker has him act like kind of a chicano gangbanger stereotype, and I was always very confused how he got like that. As far as I can tell, it's "Because."

>>215008

One of Hickman's cosmic characters that's almost interesting and showed up in the first Avengers arc he did. His name is Ex Nhilo and he's a cosmic God of creation, and he used to travel around with his sister, some sort of Cosmic god of Entropy, and a really cool genocidal robot, going from world to world to kill off the population and replace it with new hyper-evolved beings. The Avengers fought the three of them to stop them from doing it to Earth, but they stood down when the Uni-force basically told them it was their God Mother (I guess) and told them to stop. Ex Nhilo was down, his sister was wary, and the robot absolutely refused to believe and was disintegrated for his trouble.

Really, the only saving grace for that arc was the art. Johnathan Hickman loves to throw interesting things out there (Like I think bringing in Hyperion was pretty cool), but I feel like he never follows through well enough to justify putting the concepts in there in the first place and don't hold well on their own.
>> No. 215117
>>215116
Ah, I think I get it. Yeah, having a bastard like that on the team can't be good... he's probably getting jobbed at the first chance against some other super powerful threat though, if I had to guess.
>> No. 215118
>>215116
>Really, the only saving grace for that arc was the art. Johnathan Hickman loves to throw interesting things out there (Like I think bringing in Hyperion was pretty cool), but I feel like he never follows through well enough to justify putting the concepts in there in the first place and don't hold well on their own.

He has three big problems. First, like you said, he introduces clever ideas that are never resolved well.

Second, he introduces clever ideas that really should be drawing upon shitloads of Marvel's rich history, but end up just scratching the surface. When you're doing a spy epic on a scale never before seen in Marvel, doing all sorts of "it's all connected" shit, and you live in an age when it's really easy to use google and find out all the cool spy agencies and spies at Marvel, there's just no excuse for having the end product be "SHIELD, Hydra, and My Own Original Spy Agency are at war, nobody else is allowed in". And revealing a secret order keeping the peace all through Marvel's history, doing "The Secret History Of The Marvel Universe" and using almost none of the fictional "historical" figures people have invented at Marvel... dude. What a squandered premise.

Third, his dialog is stuffy as fuck most of the time.
>> No. 215119
>>215118

Those also bother me. Also, yeah, you're right, he does stupid shit like that. Like how it turned out that Hydra had been controlling SHIELD all along (Which Warren Ellis did better in Nextwave anyway), and there are a ton of old societies, organizations, etc outside of SHIELD and HYDRA. Hell, I would love to see more done with SWORD, ARMOR, The Serpent Society, Atlas, and all those sorts of organizations.

To be fair, he's not the only one who does that. I feel like Marvel writers in general, especially in the last decade or so, have been bad about creating organizations and characters that ultimately redundant since there exists something that would have fit the concept perfectly.
>> No. 215124
>>215119
>I would love to see more done with SWORD, ARMOR
Other guy here, always hated the SWORD thing. And now I get reminded there's also ARMOR... eugh.
>> No. 215127
>>215124

I dunno, I like SWORD and ARMOR. SHIELD handles earthly threats, SWORD does extraterrestrial threats, and ARMOR does Extra-Dimensional threats.
>> No. 215968
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tl;dr

Infinity is Marvel's Final Crisis except written poorly.
>> No. 216169
>>215968
How are they just conversing with Black Bolt?
>> No. 216171
>>216169
Magic single-pitch nonsense dimension BB never mentioned before.
TL;DR: Hickman's being a hack.
>> No. 216172
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>>216171
Huh? That's just huh?

In better news the movie Nova costumes look good. I think they could do with a bit more color but otherwise they're neat.
>> No. 216188
>>215968
>except written poorly
>Final Crisis
Oh u.

Oh hey, Beast is back-ish to his more humanoid self. Cool i guess.

>>216172
Did they change those a bit since that con? I think I remember them being even better.
>> No. 216189
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>>216188
Honestly I think it looks ok. Maybe the higher ranking Corpsmen get more color as a show of rank.

Still knocks the movie GL down even more. Although John C. Riley's floating head is a funny image.

Humanoid Beast you say?
>> No. 216191
>>216172
Heh Space Cop looks more RoboCop than new RoboCop
>> No. 216204
I like ape Hank's design.

A lot more than the lion head design at least.
>> No. 216213
>>216191
Hydra Soldiers in Captain America looked more like Robocop than the new Robocop.
>> No. 216238
Didn't Thanos Rising establish that he killed all the kids he had with his insanely hot alien girlfiends?
>> No. 216254
>>216238

The first batch anyway. Who knows how many more children he had?

Also, since this is a Marvel thread, and I'm sick of talking about Hickman's shitty story-telling, can I just say that Jason Aaron's Thor: God of Thunder and Brian Posehn & Paul Duggan's Deadpool are both really good books? I especially want to point that Deadpool's solo book is the best it's been in years. Like there was a solid 3-4 years where Deadpool was just shit and this new book has actually been pretty damn good. Like, it suffers from "Ignore some previous continuity in favor of new continuity", but it's still an improvement over how Deadpool was under Daniel Way.
>> No. 216255
I guess I suck as a comic reader or at least as a Marvel fan, because so far I am liking Infinity.
>> No. 216257
>>216255
What, do you want a medal for your poor taste?
>> No. 216270
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>>216254
I love the new Deadpool book. It's funny and yet it remembers Wade has some sort of depth.

I also like A + X. It's extremely hard to fuck up short team up adventures and so far I'm digging the different creative teams as well as their persistence in having the stories be self contained

Well him leaving Earth 2 doesn't seem so bad now. Id love to see Marvel's Golden Age get more attention.
>> No. 216275
http://majorspoilers.com/2011/08/19/major-spoilers-confidential-case-file-0001-the-franklin-richards-paradox/

This is quite interesting.
And if someone is clever enough, this could explain plenty of things.

>>216257
Now there, let anon enjoy that mediocre event.
He's in the right, no matter how awful is.
>> No. 216280
>>216275
>This is quite interesting.

The big problem with it, though, is that "real time" comic book storytelling doesn't work all that great. Like, even in old, pre-decompressed stories, multiple issues would often cover the span of a single day, week, or whatever. So, like 12 months of pregnancy shouldn't be held as some kind of time anomaly, just a sign that the story's progression isn't exactly tied to real world time's.
>> No. 216291
>>216275

That's wrong though. Officially, Marvel is just on a Sliding time scale with, maybe 15 years having past since the Fantastic Four first showed up.
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>>216291
Yeah they keep changing the war Tony was wounded during in.

I think the Black Widow is still about 70 or so
>> No. 216321
>>216318
I gotta admit I found the latest Tony retcon kinda well done, at least. His mind playing tricks so he'd remember as if it happened on Vietnam and stuff.
>> No. 216339
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IRON.IRON THOR!!!

DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-!

-IRON THOR!!!
>> No. 216414
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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/11/warren-ellis-returns-to-monthly-marvel-for-avengers-assemble/
>> No. 216454
So Scarlet Spider was fantasic, wasn't doing too good sales wise but still not doing as badly as the terrible Captain Marvel series or the boring as hell Fearless Defenders.

So guess what is ending in four issues.
>> No. 216464
The Crimson Cobweb?
>> No. 216572
Does anyone know if the eternals was any good after gaiman left?
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>>216414
>The Toxic Doxie has her very own Inhuman… All that a homicidal maniac could ask for.

Awwwww yeah!!!! The Witch is Back!!!
>> No. 216868
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When you ram through a wall you have a choice, anon.

You either keep the shirt or the cigar.

Your decision determines how much of a man you truly are.

Don't make the wrong choice.

Alternatively, not even The One Above All himself could take Nicholas Goddamn Fury's cigar away from him. And yes, Goddamn is his middle name. It's on his birth certificate.
>> No. 216903
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I swear I love this book but Matt makes it hard at times
>> No. 216904
>>216868
I love how that bike makes absolutely no sense, just look at it. And Fury gives no fuck.
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>>216904
Steranko's Fury was art. A crazy ass Bond movie.

It's a shame he didn't do more. Fun fact, he's a musician, an architect, an escape artist and a fire eater. Steranko has a Twitter.
>> No. 216913
http://comicsalliance.com/avengers-alliance-vide-game-reveals-thanos-related-character-early/
Welp.

>>216868
>>216905
Based Steranko.
His twitter is the best!

>>216903
...
Let's hope tumblr doesn't find about this before this gets taken the wrong way.
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>>216913
Wow he looks lame.

I actually convinced my friend to read the old Nick Fury stuff based on that motorcycle page alone.

The SJW would probably love it. If they read comics. Matt said something like he's apologizing to his daughter for writing comics or something. Kind of stupid considering he's actually one of the few good marvel books with female heroes. Especially since JiM was cancelled. It beats the shit out of Fearless Defenders and Captain Marvel (which are still not cancelled, yet Scarlet Spider is despite outselling both). Normally I don't like Matt but the art plus the fact that its basically a new team got my to try it.
>> No. 216927
Didn't thay establish in Thanos Rising that there was nothing special with the many bastards that Thanos had sired all over the univers?
>> No. 216992
>>216927
Shhhhhhh...Hickman OCs are flawless, awesome and incapable of being criticized like everything he does, don't ya know?
>> No. 217045
>>216903
Is this guy hoping tumblr will love him for this?

because he's made a critical error by having the woman get bitchslapped down and the man doing the punching
>> No. 217493
Waid's Daredevil is fucking amazing.

Would Waid's Cap run be a good place for a new reader to start? I remember enjoying it and my friend wants to read some Cap after the movies.
>> No. 217495
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217495
Thank you Allred. I always wanted nightmares about the Spot
>> No. 217498
>>217495
That's Chris Samnee, not Mike Allred
>> No. 217500
>>217498
My bad. Still though. Coyote is messed up too.
>> No. 217503
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=88376

>getting rid of their old black and yellows
>> No. 217543
>>217503

Did they ever explain how/why Starlord came back but Nova didn't?
>> No. 217565
>>217543
Nope. the current Nova writing team say they'll get around to it at some point, but they aren't in a rush. I take that to mean "Nova doesn't have a movie coming out, we don't have to explain shit".
>> No. 217567
>mfw I finally realize bendis' plan
>he's not happy with ruining current comics anymore, he wants to go back in time and ruin them on the source
Also WOW, looks like they managed to give Starlord an even worse new costume, haha.
>> No. 217602
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Neat
>> No. 217612
>>217602
Between this, Invaders, Silver Surfer, Iron Patriot, Ghost Rider, Thunderbolts, A+X and Deadpool, Marvel is kind of winning me back.
>> No. 217621
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it begins
>> No. 217669
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/s91p1x80mybrb9f/agentcarter.mp4

The real strength of these is that they are that character even if stuff has been changed 4 times outta 5 the marvel movies remain true to the character while DC is TERRIFIED of doing that.
>> No. 217731
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>> No. 217732
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>> No. 217733
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>> No. 217734
>>217731
Marvel UK is so filled to the brim with Maximum 90s....
>> No. 217735
>>217734
Could be worse, could just be a bunch of fucking stereotypes like most non-US heroes in American comics.
>> No. 217737
>>217734
Nothing wrong with some EXTREME every now and then.

>>217735
Pip pip cheerio and what's all this then.

Welsh hero, the Sheepshagger at your service.

I'm kind of looking forward to this.
>> No. 217738
>>217731
Context for this image? Reverse image search yielded nothing, and I am unreasonably giddy at the thought of seeing a Motormouth revival.
>> No. 217739
>>217731
Apart from Captain Britain, Deathhead 2, Motormouth and her big partner meathead who's name I can't recall I have no idea who any of these people are.

Can someone enlighten me?
>> No. 217740
>>217739
Guy with the glowing claws is Pete Wisdom from MI13, I think. Guy in flag wear... Union Jack, if I recall? I liked the original one.

No clue on most of them.
>> No. 217744
>>217738
http://marvel.com/news/story/20901/sdcc_2013_revolutionary_war
>> No. 217747
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>>217731
Suit and Tie in back is Dai Thomas of Scotland Yard. Briefly possessed by Arthurian spirits which left him permanently kickass and Too Old For This Shit.

Bandanna girl is Cale of the Warheads. The guy that looks like he eats a bowl of Cable for breakfast is Colonel Liger of the Warheads. The one black guy surrounded by white people is Corey of the Warheads. The Warheads basically teleported from hellworld to hellworld looking for tech to sell to Mys-Tech, the Wolfram and Hart/ Weyland-Yutani of Marvel UK.

They Have Seen Shit.

Oh Fuck Have They Ever Seen Shit.

The guy that looks like he stepped out of Game of Thrones is Sir Gawain of the Knights of Pendragon. He's a robot that thinks he's Sir Gawain of Camelot. Spoilers: He thinks that because he really is Sir Gawain of Camelot.

The guy with a samurai hat is Digi-Tek, who heard he died in Civil War and you can tell how amused he is by that one from his expression. He looks Tron-like for a reason.

Motormouth and Killpower are Motormouth and Killpower. Accept no substitutes.

Captain Britain is in front next to Hell's Angel (Mys-Tech's greatest foe, practically a Dr. Strange that uses magitech instead of just magic), to the right of her is Death's Head II, and heads will roll if his partner (Fry 'er) Tuck doesn't show up. The guy in shades is of course Pete Wisdom.

>>217733
Union Jack in back. Fuck yeah.
That's Albion in the red and white. He's got the power of the Pendragon, which means shitloads of magic. Leaders (sorta) of the Knights of Pendragon. That's Sir Gawain again, still a robot. Dai Thomas could stand to lay off the lager going from that gut of his, and the blonde beside him is Kate McClellan, satellite reporter and modern-day Guinevere.
>> No. 217749
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>>217747
See I only have a few old UK back issues. Didn't know all that. Thank you.

Robinson has expressed interest in using Union Jack, Spitfire and Destroyer in his Invaders too.
>> No. 217750
4chan-regular /co/ seems to have been infested with odd Brit-hating trolls in recent history, this has only intensified their shitposting.

Doesn't help when writers like Bendis seem to have a chip on their shoulder and go out of their way to mock Brit heroes nonsensically, or that incident with Faiza and the Queen's guard being bizarrely jobbed in a terribly unrealistic portrayal of a knighting ceremony just to make Gambit look 'cool'.
>> No. 217751
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>>217750
Know my pain. These guys seem to only exist to die. Now the team is gone and just mashed in with the X men.

Sadly international heroes/teams don't sell as well as X Men/Batman. Just ask the Great Ten, Super Young Team, JLI, etc.

Also Bendis always shits in characters. Captain Britain is cool. I'd like to see Iron Man assemble an interdimensional army of Iron Men.I got my friend interested in Captain Britain's last book by showing him the cover with Dr. Doom and his new BFF Dracula on the moon.
>> No. 217752
>>217751
>>I'd like to see Iron Man assemble an interdimensional army of Iron Men
Screw that, Tony is already being shoved into places he doesn't belong enough as is.
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>>217750
>4chan's /co/ is racist, jingoist, misogynist, etc.

You don't fucking say.

>>217734
Gotta laugh at this. There was a LITTLE influence from the 90s American stuff, sure. But honestly the entire "Extreme 90s" was Americans desperately trying to do what the UK had been doing for ages, and making a mess of it.

Give one of Cable's guns to an ABC warrior, and he'll slip the dinky little thing in his boot for an emergency backup in case he loses all his big guns.
>> No. 217761
>People getting snarky over the supposed return of Peter

Really done at this point it would be one of the biggest non-events ever. Hell whenever it still happens its getting to be pretty tepid.
>> No. 217762
>>217752
Oh I don't want Marvel to do it. Him in space is bad already. They're shoving Captain Marvel's shitty new series up there too.

>>217758
Fuck I love the ABC Warriors.
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>> No. 217784
>>217758
I was calling it super 90s not because of its quality level, or the influence of '90s trends' but because it was all the things '90s comics' gets called out for- Being a bunch of jaded, gun toting cyborg antiheroes.

And the ones that aren't are betrenchcoated cynics.
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>>217749
Does anyone think superhero costumes based on British flags and heraldry usually look awesome?
They just tend to be so much more awesome looking than people going about in costumes based on the Stars & Stripes and the like. (I think its the main colour being dark blue instead of say white that contributes to it)
>> No. 217792
>>217784
>a bunch of jaded, gun toting cyborg antiheroes.

Yep, that's British comics all right.

Judge Dredd is probably the most popular grim jaded gun toting antihero of all time. Trenchcoated cynics? John Constantine got the ball rolling on that one, and that was just Moore putting a standard British Person in an American comic.

As far as I'm concerned, the "90s Extremes" was Americans realizing they wanted something more than standard superheroes, and having vague ideas about what they wanted, but not realizing it was basically the sorts of things the UK had been looking at for ages. Inspired partly (but definitely not exclusively) by the works of some popular Brit writer/artists that came to the States - Simon Bisley's Lobo, anyone?
>> No. 217795
>>217761
Anyone who didn't think that Dan Slott, who may actually be Spider-man's biggest fan (wich as a writer, isn't always a good thing) had a plan to bring Peter back in the biggest sloppiest blow job way ever, is just on another planet that I don't understand
>> No. 217796
>>217795
Seeing as most of the stuff involving Spock has been shitting on Peter as a person while making Spock look 'Superior' then yes, I would actually be surprised at him making Peter's return (which indeed was something that was going to happen at some point eventually) so... respectful.
>> No. 217797
>>217796
>he's shitting on Peter to make Dr. Octopus look superior

I'm just trying to imagine what it's like on the planet you're posting from. Can you narrow it down a little? Is it a class M planet? How many moons?
>> No. 217799
>>217797
Did you read any of that shit with Ghost Peter?
>> No. 217800
>>217796
Dan Slott fucking LOVES spider-man in a really creepy reverential way. He's done two full series that were basically just opportunities to bring back every bit of Spider-man trivia he could remember, any time anyone new interviews him ever he tells the story of how he met "spider-man" (a dude in a costume at an event) when he was a kid. This is the guy who wrote the dialogue from the 1975 Vinyl Rock Opera "Rock Reflections of a Super-Hero" into Spider-man Shattered Dimensions.

Way I see it, this was his way to write a Doc Ock ongoing for a while, but it's DEFINITELY going to end with Peter being like, one degree away from Jesus Christ. Now it probably won't be GOOD, but it'll happen.
>> No. 217804
Wasn't Joe Quesada meant to be a 'Big Fan' of Spider-man too?

And also K-Box?
>> No. 217806
>>217799
Yes? Stuff like JJJ finally making nice with "Spider-man" while ghost Peter is going "OH ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?" isn't shitting on Peter, nor is making Peter see Otto and May's private moments (ouch ouch ouch).

Putting a character through hell doesn't mean you don't like them.
>> No. 217807
>>217806
What about when he tried to stop Ock from saving a little girls life (with surgical skills he seemed to have from nowhere) just to save his own ass.

And then when Ock confronted him all ghost pete could do was lie then whine "bu...but...muh body..." all pathetically while Ock was shown as the one doing the right thing and being in the right, then proceeding in "killing" Peter for the second time.
>> No. 217810
>>217804
Quesada didn't write the love letter that was Spider-man/Human Torch

Slott also has a history of making in-story fixes for things he thinks take away from Peter. My go to example is that he wrote a "way out" for the Spider-man unmasking months before One More Day started in an entirely unconnected book just because he wanted to. He's to Spider-man what Mark Waid is to Superman

And because of this thread, I read this past month's Superior output, first time in over a year I read the Spider-man titles.

Foes was okay. It was going for a very specific style of story telling, and I think it pulled it off. It's an okay-to-middling book about charming scumbags, and I like those books. But man, all the dialogue ends up cluttering the page visually in a nasty way. I guess that's the problem with wanting a lot of banter and monologues, but also want a fast paced story with a lot of panels.

Team up was actually pretty cool. I've liked the writer Robert Rodi ever since the 2007 Loki mini and Del Mundo has a real Spider-man friendly style. Light and quick, but sweet and fun. Exactly what a team up book should be.

Superior itself was the last issue of a big Slott Arc, so it was all panic and consequences. Much less jump on friendly than the other two books. But it was still good with strong character stuff from a few main cast like Model. And the big climax was the moment when Otto realized Peter was smarter than him after all, which is definitely set up to Superior's finale. Not a terrible book. Better than foes.
>> No. 217812
>>217807
Your summary of the issue leaves out quite a great deal.

Prior to this run, Octavius had long been characterized as someone that spent 99% of his time doing despicable things, but was capable of love, tenderness, sympathy, respect and other positive aspects. There's a few gems out there where Peter had trouble reconciling the fact that Otto Octavius had a shred of goodness in him, and that's one of the seeds that Superior Spider-Man sprouted from. Otto is capable of being a deeply flawed good man, and that's something the book has been exploring, alongside the difficulty Peter had in accepting that.

But at the same time, the girl that Doc Ock saved? Yeah, who was it that put her life in danger in the first place? Doc Ock, during his evil scheme. And then he put a good man to death. Twice.

And Slott hasn't deviated from portraying Peter as a good man. Good, not saintly, and he's hardly the first to portray Peter in that way. How many times have we seen Peter, frustrated and angry with the state of his life, make a bad call? When he interfered with Doc to try and stop the operation he said it was because Octavius is arrogant and full of himself. In Peter's mind, with all defenses stripped away, Peter was forced to admit that for just a moment he allowed himself to use that as an excuse for not trusting Ock, out of fear for his own life. To anyone that finds that to be portraying Peter as a terrible person (and Ock as a superior one, even though Ock was basically in the midst of gloating over murdering Peter) I recommend a steady diet of nothing but Silver Age DC comics. You won't find any heroes with flaws or moments of weakness in there. But in Spider-Man? Anyone remember the time "Dr. Turner" (aka "The Chameleon, armed with tech from the Tinkerer") went up to Peter and basically said "With great power comes great responsibility, huh? Man your great responsibilities seem to be making you miserable. How about I remove that great power for you? Make you a normal man, able to lead a normal life? With NO power comes NO responsibility, riiiight?" This isn't the first time (and won't be the last) when Peter found himself tested and was found less-than-perfect. The main thrust of the title is establishing that Dr. Octopus has good in him. Yes, as a corollary, we were bound to see an acknowledgement that Peter is flawed too. But if you think the run won't end with Otto humbled and a triumphant return of Peter, I've got a limited edition comic I'd like to sell you. Superman dies in it, and surely won't come back.
>> No. 217813
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>>217807
Your summary of the issue leaves out quite a great deal.

Prior to this run, Octavius had long been characterized as someone that spent 99% of his time doing despicable things, but was capable of love, tenderness, sympathy, respect and other positive aspects. There's a few gems out there where Peter had trouble reconciling the fact that Otto Octavius had a shred of goodness in him, and that's one of the seeds that Superior Spider-Man sprouted from. Otto is capable of being a deeply flawed good man, and that's something the book has been exploring, alongside the difficulty Peter had in accepting that.

But at the same time, the girl that Doc Ock saved? Yeah, who was it that put her life in danger in the first place? Doc Ock, during his evil scheme. And then he put a good man to death. Twice.

And Slott hasn't deviated from portraying Peter as a good man. Good, not saintly, and he's hardly the first to portray Peter in that way. How many times have we seen Peter, frustrated and angry with the state of his life, make a bad call? When he interfered with Doc to try and stop the operation he said it was because Octavius is arrogant and full of himself. In Peter's mind, with all defenses stripped away, Peter was forced to admit that for just a moment he allowed himself to use that as an excuse for not trusting Ock, out of fear for his own life. To anyone that finds that to be portraying Peter as a terrible person (and Ock as a superior one, even though Ock was basically in the midst of gloating over murdering Peter) I recommend a steady diet of nothing but Silver Age DC comics. You won't find any heroes with flaws or moments of weakness in there. But in Spider-Man? Anyone remember the time "Dr. Turner" (aka "The Chameleon, armed with tech from the Tinkerer") went up to Peter and basically said "With great power comes great responsibility, huh? Man your great responsibilities seem to be making you miserable. How about I remove that great power for you? Make you a normal man, able to lead a normal life? With NO power comes NO responsibility, riiiight?" This isn't the first time (and won't be the last) when Peter found himself tested and was found less-than-perfect. The main thrust of the title is establishing that Dr. Octopus has good in him. Yes, as a corollary, we were bound to see an acknowledgement that Peter is flawed too. But if you think the run won't end with Otto humbled and a triumphant return of Peter, I've got a limited edition comic I'd like to sell you. Superman dies in it, and surely won't come back.
>> No. 217814
>>217812
>>217813
Learn how to delete your posts
>> No. 217817
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>>217814
The standard "click on the box, hit delete" method yields this result for some reason.
>> No. 217818
>>217817
Thats weird.
>> No. 217905
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http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48677
We Toei now.
>> No. 217906
>>217905
>Starring Iron Man, Spider-Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Wasp, and some fucking teenagers!

Fucking teenagers, man.
>> No. 217907
I am getting a "Digimon with Marvel superheroes" here.
>> No. 217909
>>217906
Can't have a Toei kids cartoon without teens or pre-teens.
Check any sunday morning kids blog from them and you'll noticed their trend (excluding Super Hero Time which is Kamen Rider/Super Sentai shows).
>> No. 217921
>>217906
If those teenager s turn out to be led by Rick Jones, you had better fucking apologize.
>> No. 217963
>>217907
>I am getting a "Digimon with Marvel superheroes" here.

So... who gets to be Renamon? X-23?
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218098
Well clusterfuck is a good word for this.
>> No. 218118
>>217963
>So... who gets to be Renamon? X-23?

I'm okay with this.
>> No. 218167
>>218098
Another good word for that is "X-men"
>> No. 218209
Woof, I like Superior in concept but, the writing is sure hitting the skids as things go along.
>> No. 218214
So, what? By the time Peter gets his body back his life is going to be in the shitter: no awesome science job in the lab- everyone hating him in both civvie and hero guises even more than before and MJ off with someone else unlike how things were looking at the end of Spider Island- and hell likely living with his oldass immortal Aunt struggling to find a job?

I can't believe you people pay for this stuff.
Especially when Marvel's whole sales ploy is "deliberately piss the consumers off for cheap hype"
>> No. 218238
>>218214
hence why I continue to stick with the strip now. But I mean this all just descending into utter contrivance and the lowest quality shit. Middleman dealing with Spock just happens to leave a paper trail that points right to him. Professor has intimate knowledge of Otto's papers on neuroscience. I now I really shouldn't expect much from the way the big two editors run their shops but this is very weak crap.
>> No. 218246
You know, I've been enjoying Uncanny X-men and All New during Battle of the Atom, but Jesus Christ Battle of the Atom #2 was so bad. It was a clusterfuck that tried to start and end a ton of plots while also trying to be a huge action climax and it ended with like five sappy ass epilogues.
>> No. 218254
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Look, I'm not about to defend the Ultiverse as a concept or a line of monthly books, especially since USM is the only title that ever maintained any semblance of respectable quality. Like a full 2/3 of the line was produced by Mark Millar, and you know how that goes. But when you print stuff like this it gives the impression I'm SUPPOSED to hope everyone dies screaming.

Also Sam Wilson has been loving this robutt off panel ever since Ultimate Extinction back in '05. So that's nice.
>> No. 218255
>>218254
A lot of those descriptions of 616 Marvel sound a whole lot less... accurate then they had been when the Ultimate Universe started.

Like, Ultimate X-Men never had an M-Day that reduced the number of mutants to the 100s. And 616 Spidey is technically dead, being ridden around by Doc Ock like a meat robot.
>> No. 218258
>>218255
Welp, at least they did show the ultiverse for what it is.
>> No. 218264
>>218255
>>Like, Ultimate X-Men never had an M-Day that reduced the number of mutants to the 100s.
Instead it was a pharmaceutical cure developed by the government that thousands of mutants willingly took.
>> No. 218265
>>218254

Oh. So this shit is starting. I see.
>> No. 218267
>>218254
They just ruined anything good with Ultimate universe. It only took a decade to kill it.
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Frankavilla made a really solid transition to sci fi stuff in the latest Guardians of the Galaxy, but I really wished he opened up his colour pallet for this. Or at least shift more to a bluish spectrum.
>> No. 218502
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http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48940
Mite be cool.
>> No. 218503
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>>218502
shapeshifting Ms.Marvel sounds neat and could be fun. Sadly I doubt it will be as fun as this picture alludes to.
>> No. 218504
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>>218503
Some more of the family and a white dude.
>> No. 218505
>>218504
Looks fun.
>> No. 218506
>>218505
yea I'm really hoping for something on the level of Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle. I really hope this is an overall fun book.
>> No. 218514
>>218502
Kamala Khan eh?

Sounds like the Great Khan, Jimmy Woo will need to show up.
>> No. 218539
>>218502
Marvel is really patting themselves on the back or doing this. Despite there already being a couple of Muslim super heroines. Tumblr is already eating it up.

She'll be forgotten in a couple of years and used as fodder for that next big event that'll "change everything as we know it".
>> No. 218552
>>218539
>She'll be forgotten in a couple of years and used as fodder for that next big event that'll "change everything as we know it".
Or maybe that book will have the same luck as the Young Avengers.
Which is an awesome book, by the way.

>Tumblr
Meh.
>> No. 218566
>>218539
Speak of, wonder where's that MI13 chick with the Excalibur. Was it Faiza? Felt a bit shoehorned back then, and around the same time when Ghost Rider got that ninja nun sidekick too, but I'm curious on where she is, now.
>> No. 218572
>>218552
Didn't Avengers Academy sell well enough? Where are half those kids?

I want a Sikh hero anyways.

>>218566
A nunja?
>> No. 218579
>>218572
>A nunja?
Well I'll be damned.
>> No. 218581
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>Didn't Avengers Academy sell well enough? Where are half those kids?
>> No. 218584
>>218572
>Sikh hero

Sounds promising. Magic/otherwise superpowered kirpan?
>> No. 218588
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>>218581
Oh, right.
That...
And even that it's over, the damage is already done.
>> No. 218590
>>218588
Didn't know it was over, but yeah, the damage is done all right. In my case I'd been on the fence with the big two for years, but Marvel had put out some books I'd enjoyed... like Runaways, Avengers Academy, Sentinel, Captain Britain and MI13...

Then this came out and long story short, I don't read Marvel or DC any more. Why keep reading things that just leave you unhappy in the long run when there's so many better options?
>> No. 218592
>>218584
Maybe just a street level fighter cleaning up his city.

"A Sikh must also have the courage to defend the rights of all who are wrongfully oppressed or persecuted irrespective of their colour, caste or creed."

>>218588
I take it you've seen what Hopeless is going to do with the survivors next? He's going to ruin all of Zemo's character development too.

It's tough being a kid hero in the big two. You're probably just going to die.
>> No. 218600
>>218592
I thought thatshit was all VR, at least?
>> No. 218603
>>218600

Half way through they revealed that it was not a VR, and all of Arcade's crazy power is a blend of magic and tech that someone helped him acquire.
>> No. 218604
>>218592
> He's going to ruin all of Zemo's character development too.

Why would Marvel not destroy Zemo's rocky move towards heroism when they are basically doing the same story over again with Doc Ock in Spider-Man's body.
>> No. 218605
>>218603
Soooo in the end they did kill off a bunch of young characters, ruined some others and Arcade, and rickrolled the readers. Fucking classy.
>> No. 218608
>>218604
I know that's a dig, but up until they just this month got cancelled from low sales, EVERY Spider-man book was about about a Rocky move toward heroism by a former villain.

Hey, where's Cain Marko at post Fear Itself? I'm interested.

On another note, Amazing X-men was my favorite thing that McGuiness has drawn yet, and I especially loved how he drew Wolverine like it was still 1999 and X-men hadn't been released yet. But the story didn't really have claws to draw me in outside of the whole kitsch value of watching someone play with the legacy of the worst x-men story ever. And some lines really annoyed me.
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>>218592
>It's tough being a kid hero in the big two. You're probably just going to die.

Nonsense! If you're at DC and you're a kid hero you're probably a legacy.

Meaning that, most likely, you no longer exist.

>>218592
It would be difficult to do justice to a Sikh hero without someone claiming it's prejudiced against Muslims. It's hard to really do much with a religion that's heavily about resistance to forced conversion without touching on exactly who it is trying to do the forced converting...
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218623
>>218608
Cain hung around, still depowered and depressed, until Thunderbolts became Dark Avengers and US Agent brought him in on a last minute mission without any obvious reason given. During said mission Man-Thing and Satana reached into an alternate dimension and allowed Cain to connect with a different Cyttorak so he temporarily became Juggernaut again, which he used to save the day by crushing shit. When this arc concluded there was an interlude sort of issue where Luke's team was given a literal send off via Man-Thing teleporting everyone to whichever places suited them best. He hasn't appeared since.
>> No. 218625
>>218590
Its so good to see another person with some sense.

How long can 'fans' get deliberately shit on before they stop returning for more?
>> No. 218628
>>218592
Wasn't his character development ruined before?
I really hated when that happened, specially after the first Thunderbolts series.
>> No. 218629
>>218628
I hated when they made Sandman a supervillain again for no reason.
>> No. 218631
>>218615
I always liked Amazing Man.

But yeah there's no worse fate than being a teen hero.

You don't have to bring that up. Maybe make the character a second generation immigrant to a Western city.

>>218625
I don't like everything the big two do. I only support stuff I feel is worth it. Same with the other companies. Brand loyalty is idiotic. What's up with the quotation marks around fans?

>>218629
Never really understood why that was necessary. I always wanted him as a full time Avenger.
>> No. 218634
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218634
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/07/daredevil-jessica-jones-iron-fist-and-luke-cage-headed-to-netflix-in-2015/
Sweet Christmas!
>> No. 218638
>>218628
Well, Brubaker had him attack Buckycap, and then he brought Hawkeye's brother as a villain, so... kinda, since the end of Born Better?

I mean, the best part of Zemo as a hero was that he was still pretty much a villain in terms of how much he was willing to exploit things after he was done saving the world, because for all his improvements he was still kind of an arrogant jerk, so some petty grudges can fit...
>> No. 218640
>>218631
>Never really understood why that was necessary. I always wanted him as a full time Avenger.

Byrne is an asshole, basically.

It never made a lick of sense. He'd become a "hero," but a mercenary. A very very very wealthy mercenary that got paid big bucks to do shit. And Byrne said "Hey, Wizard messed with his head and now he's evil."

Okay, even if he'd been turned evil... why give up the incredibly lucrative mercenary job to GO ROB BANKS?

Stupidity.
>> No. 218643
>>218638
>Well, Brubaker had him attack Buckycap,

Saying that he was "evil" in that is oversimplifying. Born Better was about him looking at the past and being honest about it, even though being honest about it meant admitting his family had been one fucking piece of shit after another.

Knowing that America's "greatest hero" had a lot of skeletons in his closet... if offended Zemo. He wasn't trying to hurt Bucky or Falcon, he was trying to drag the ugly truth into the light.
>> No. 218645
>>218634

All I'mma say about this is: this had better lead to Squirrel Girl showing up somewhere.
>> No. 218647
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218647
>>218645
>somewhere

Oh nice going, dumbass. Your vagueness on where she could show up was all the opening they needed.
>> No. 218648
>>218647

I’ll be happy for even that.
>> No. 218651
>>218648
Oh yeah? Well the reason she's dead is because she was suffering from HIV!

You know when she first ran into Iron Man in the park all those years ago? Its because she had ran away from home. after suffering abuse. SEXUALLY!

Then all the squirrels in the Marvel world commit extremely graphic suicide on-panel in their grief.

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!
>> No. 218652
>>218640
Oh god that was Byrne?

Well that explains everything.
>> No. 218654
>>218651
Aren't you thinking of-
...Shit, movie Marvel actually takes cues from ultimate crap. She's screwed.
>> No. 218664
>>218652
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/03/28/abandoned-love-so-is-sandman-a-good-guy-or-a-bad-guy-or-what/

Right down to the trademark ignoring-details-others-wrote, like his bit where he has Reed say "I got Sandman his job with Silver Sable".

Erm... no, Sable met Sandman when she was on a mission that he wandered into being heroic, and when it was done she went "if you ever need a job..."

Byrne, man. Byrne.
>> No. 218714
>>218664

Let's also not forget that Byrne rewrote Sue and Reed's original meeting (Which delved a bit into Reed's work with the OSS during WWII) to be about 10,000 times creepier than it needed to be. With Reed being a college aged dude checking out at twelve year-old.
>> No. 218925
Just read Avengers vs X-Men, and now the What If mini.

...Dammit, I think they managed to make a WORSE what if. Whoa.

On the plus side, I also read the parody of the first issue, which was a fun time at least.
>> No. 218989
So Wolverine's going to be a bad guy now?
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