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211189 No. 211189
Old one's on autosage.

First trailer for Frozen comes out tomorrow and we've got some images here. It's actually looking kinda cheap.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/06/17/frozen-disney/2389171/

Also in other news, D23 has begun their Free Membership tier, which basically amounts to special access to online content, access to their exclusive Disney Store merch, and discounted Expo tickets. Some of this online content includes a full new online version of the Disney A to Z encyclopedia and stuff detailing more stuff they keep digging up in the Disney Archives.

https://d23.com/
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>> No. 214895
T is for Telephonophobia - Figaro Phoyoutube thumb

they got some crazy shorts
>> No. 214918
HA HA, this is great, Hater is the best worst.

The Picnicyoutube thumb
>> No. 214923
>>214918
Lord Hater is my spirit villain.
>> No. 214925
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>>214890
Awesome. Now I will check up on that for new episodes.

But there was one thing bothering me while I was watching it the whole time: Are these airing in China? And if they are, how would this episode be edited to be safe for Chinese consumption? Or would Disney just not 'air' this ep?
>> No. 214948
>>214925
Probably not air it.
And my GOD do I love this series. It's like it's modernizing the classic shorts while still retaining the heart of what made them interesting in the first place. Or something. Whatever. It's great.
>> No. 215151
http://anoia.tumblr.com/post/58841429153/keaneart-glen-keane-talks-beast-prince-adam

I need to draw Human!Beast with a beard now...
>> No. 215164
>>215151
He looks like a nice guy, Mr Keane.
>> No. 215166
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/08/21/exclusive-lots-of-details-of-disneys-unannounced-animated-movie-giants/

Giants is apparently just Jack and the Beanstalk again.
>> No. 215478
Those Disney Movie Club Talespin and Gargoyles sets are on the Disney Store site now.
>> No. 216730
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Pixar-Pushes-Good-Dinosaur-Leaving-2014-Completely-Pixar-Free-39476.htm

Well crap no Pixar films for next year. First year without since 2005l
>> No. 217386
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That Museum of the Weird project by Marvel teased at D23 has been revealed as "Seekers of the Weird", and is set to be the first in a new imprint called "Disney Kingdoms" that'll be focused on telling stories based on park attractions.

First issue (out of five) comes out in January.
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Also, Disney has announced its first Marvel ride with the Iron Man Experience coming to Hong Kong Disneyland. Basically looks like Star Tours: Marvel Edition.
>> No. 217394
>>216730
So I guess the animation oscar automatically goes to whatever Dreamworks is doing then.
>> No. 217395
>>217394
course Laika might actually get a chance but I doubt it.
>> No. 217518
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217518
So what are the odds Disney actually does something with Oswald soon? He supposedly had a cameo in one of the recent Mickey Mouse shorts but it turned out not to be him.
>>217386
>>214558
>>214396
I am going to read the ever living hell out of this. I picked up a book detailing the history and art of the Haunted Mansion last week when I was at Disney World, and Rolly Crump's concepts for the Museum of the Weird made me disappointed that the project never really came to fruition. Crump's artwork is just so damn strange an wonderful, and I love it. Hopefully this creepy bastard is in there somewhere.
>> No. 217528
>>217518
> So what are the odds Disney actually does something with Oswald soon?
Epic Micky 2 killed the company they had making it so Disney might be backing away from him for a while.

Misappropriating causation. Blaming Oswald as a poor draw instead of the lackluster presentation, the clunky gameplay and progression, and terrible 90's style camera.
>> No. 217532
Mickey Mouse in Dog Showyoutube thumb
Mickey Mouse in Ghoul Friendyoutube thumb

Where do they keep the people that make these?
>> No. 217536
Just rewatched The Hunchback of Notre Dame. I still can't believe it's an actual Disney film that actually got made. The whole thing screams "Cool concept that regrettably didn't get made because not marketable/stupid executives", except for the fact that it actually did get made.
>> No. 217540
>>217536
It still bastardized the original story and characters. Just like how the upcoming Frozen is an abomination to the Ice Queen story.
>> No. 217544
>>217540
The original versions of both still exist. There is no reason to act as though the fact that it's wildly divergent from the source material means it can't be entertaining to watch. Look at Blade Runner.
>> No. 217547
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>>217544
I have no problem with the Disney Hunchback. There was never EVER a hope of there being a proper animated adaptation for English-speaking Audiences.

Blade Runner was pretty different from Electric Sheep, but Sheep wasn't exactly unique, nor was the genre of Sci-Fi as limited as the genre of "traditional fairy tales". Things get added to the former more than the latter. And Dick himself gushed about the final script and the effects that he saw. It wasn't sticking that closely to his story, but it did a fantastic job with some of the ideas and messages he wanted to get out there.

But Frozen? Frozen deserves nothing but scorn, because regardless of how good it might be - and it might be, I don't know, I suspect it'll be as watchable-yet-unremarkable as hotel Transylvania - it's preventing us from getting an adaptation of one of the most unique things to ever fall under the label "Fairy tale" (which is the genre most chosen by Disney). Find me another classic tale where the male and female characters switch "rescuer and rescuee" roles. Just doesn't exist. We can try to force classic tales into that mold, but it's guaranteed to be awkward every time. And adding to the irritation, the Snow Queen has a production History at Disney with a capital H. It's one of those projects the company has thought about doing for a loooong time, kicking around different versions, like they have with Chanticleer and Don Quixote. Disney's Chicken Little was a pretty damn bad movie in its own right (with a kinda horrifying ending in a few ways), but I think it would be fair to hate it a lot more if we were told we were getting that instead of ever getting a Chanticleer movie. Which is what happened here with the Snow Queen and Frozen.

tldr Fuck Frozen, even if it does end up being kinda watchable in its own right.
>> No. 217548
>>217547
>it's preventing us from getting an adaptation of one of the most unique things to ever fall under the label "Fairy tale" (which is the genre most chosen by Disney)
Except that the Snow Queen is in the Public Domain, and the Disney movie isn't even called The Snow Queen anymore--only insiders and/or enthusiasts are even aware that it's based on the Snow Queen, and those are exactly the people who will know it's an imperfect adaptation in the first place.

As a matter of fact, another animation adaptation of the Snow Queen already came out this month.
>> No. 217549
>>217547
> Find me another classic tale where the male and female characters switch "rescuer and rescuee" roles. Just doesn't exist.

Oh yes because switching gender roles is so unique and inspiring.
>> No. 217550
>>217547
Tam Lin.

I've actually been wanting Disney to do an adaptation of Tam Lin for a while now. Though I'd probably be happier with an adaptation of The Wee Free Men, which would be much the same thing only funnier.
>> No. 217551
>>217548
>Public Domain
How many high quality animated adaptations did we get for Beauty and the Beast and Little Mermaid after Disney's? Public domain ensures someone will do something but that's about it. In terms of getting something of quality, the odds are damn low. "The Snow Queen" is a unique enough character that even showing up in a bastardized form, the odds are low that any really competent animation company will tackle the story. And really, this was a project Disney's been tossing about for long enough that I wanted to see their take on it. It should've been playing to their strengths.

>There's a version out now
And of the 6 reviews I've seen, all 6 were very negative. It's just not a good movie. Poor CGI animation, a muddled script, bad dubbing into English (it's Russian originally). It might not have been direct to video, but neither was Alpha and Omega.

>>217549
>Oh yes because switching gender roles is so unique and inspiring.

A reversal that makes both villain and heroic protagonist women? And makes the male protagonist an individual who just gets rescued, taking no active role in his rescue? Rare in general and extremely rare in the body of stories that Disney draws most of its inspiration from.

Out of Fables and Fairy tales I suppose Tam Lin does come the closest that I can think of (and it's been modernized in very fun ways), but... seriously? Your average telling has the female protagonist getting herself mysteriously pregnant, thinking about getting an abortion, and "riding" a naked man. Disney's no stranger to taking liberties, but that one's pushing it way past the plausibility point. They've Seen Some Shit and still adapted it, but Tam Lin just ain't gonna happen. And Tam (unlike Kai) plays a fairly active role in his own "rescue." Plus the Snow Queen plays around more by having Gerda run into female variants on some classic hero trials - befriending the (female) thief on the road, being tempted with eternal happiness (and forgetting her past) by the Circe-like sorceress. It was already great fodder for a movie, so getting Frozen instead... this blows.
>> No. 217553
>>217551
The pregnancy itself isn't that key to adapting the story. Like I said, The Wee Free Men was essentially Tam Lin, but "Janet" in that one was an eight year old, and obviously not pregnant.
>> No. 217556
A good 2D version does exist, story in tact and all. It's just very old.
>> No. 217557
>>217553
It's not essential to the story, but it's an element people would likely come across if they did any research, and an element that Disney (and every other sane movie studio) wouldn't go near with a ten foot pole. Something vaguely inspired, like Tiffany Aching, I'd put down as "unlikely". Disney making a movie that flat-out references the legend is about as likely as a bus full of nuns going to Hooters.
>> No. 217558
>>217557
And Sleeping Beauty was raped and gave birth while she was sleeping in the original stories. I don't think "You can find out more serious stuff if you look the source material up" is a very strong case.

For that matter, the Little Mermaid was actually about a homosexual man tearing himself up over his love with another man who was getting married to a woman.
>> No. 217559
>>217551
There's an older Russian version of The Snow Queen that was made in 1957 that I'm told is pretty good, if you can get your hands on it.

>>217549
I think that you might be taking for granted the fact that most stories (not just fairy tales) have heroes and villains of your gender. When there are female leads they are usually accompanied by male co-stars to help the heroine along the way, like in Frozen, and men are very rarely damseled. (This even goes for very abstract "damseling," such as a character becoming deathly ill and their spouse going to desperate lengths to save them.) I can count on one hand the amount of stories that follow a woman on a journey to save a man held captive in a similar way to The Snow Queen. There are probably not enough fingers in my city to count the reverse. So yeah, it kind of is unique.
>> No. 217560
>>217556
And in Russian. But yeah, no disrespect intended to Soviet production. That thing's gorgeous even after all this time.

Unless you're talking about the British version from the 90s. That thing was awful. Found it in a pile of £1 DVDs in a WH Smith and it was dragging down the quality of everything else in the bin, including the old racist Buzzy the Crow shorts.
>> No. 217569
A very rough adaptation of Tam Lin would be cool, maybe in a style similar to Secret of Kells to avoid Brave comparisons, but don't kid yourself about the story. It's about a Knight brought low, someone that's normally a badass but who's in a pickle thanks to an accident he had, who needs rescuing and has to make do with the worst of all possible saviors: a girl. In the end she manages to save the day by doing exactly what he told her to do word for word. The climax is basically "can this girl follow simple directions or not?"


The Snow Queen on the other hand is about a boy getting straight-up kidnapped Princess Peach style and everyone in his village going "welp, he's dead" except one girl that embarks on a proper hero's quest to rescue him, prevailing because she's fearless, noble, good at making friends, clever, and because she refuses to give up. It would've made for a great Disney movie, I confess I find the changes bafflingly pointless.
>> No. 217570
>>217559
>There's an older Russian version of The Snow Queen that was made in 1957 that I'm told is pretty good, if you can get your hands on it.
And you'll never guess what else we got out of it:

The Snow Queen (1957) "Gay As …youtube thumb

Also the film's really nice.
>> No. 217571
>>217570
Also the whole thing why not:

Snezhnaya Koroleva [The Snow Q…youtube thumb
No subs but you should still get a feel for the original story. Also, gorgeous animation. Though that's pretty much true for any pre 60's Russian animation.
>> No. 217572
Oh and a subbed version of slightly lesser quality.
(improved)The Snow Queen 1957 …youtube thumb
>> No. 217578
>>217569
Walt would rightly slap them all for some of the changes. To them being sisters and this whole sisterly love thing and the boy now being raised by trolls (the only interesting bit in this which will likely revive zero play in his personality or methods) and with the capstone being that damned Snowman he'd likely fire all their asses. Hell he'd fired them all for sure after the cockup that was Brave. I know his stuff used modded versions of the classics but this is getting to the point of why even fucking bother referencing the classics in the first place when the base story isn't fucking there.
>> No. 217580
>>217578
It makes sense in the cases where there's very little story in the original - Rapunzel's pretty thin - but Frozen is a head-scratcher because it's like Anderson wrote a movie specifically for Disney to make. Just subtract the pit about praying and you're good as gold. There's princesses and princes, a magic mirror, a bitchqueen that makes Maleficent look warm, thieves that manage to be fun, a thief girl that talks to animals, and a pure heart saving the day. Just a few pirates and a dwarf short of being the ultimate Disney plot. Welp, that's modern Disney for you.
>> No. 217594
>>217580
Modern Disney is so far from Walt Classics its sad. Whomever is heading the Mickey Shorts needs to be made head of Animation and not Lasseter since those feel closer to classic Disney than anything else they've made in years.
>> No. 217616
>>217518
Apparently he's playing a major role.

http://www.newsarama.com/19206-nycc-2013-marvel-visits-disney-parks-with-seekers-of-the-weird.html
>> No. 217724
New trailer. I'm kinda distracted by Avatar Roku's narration though.

Frozen - New Trailer (with ELSA)youtube thumb
>> No. 219157
http://choppi.tumblr.com/post/67075118456/olafquest2013

His madness is seeping.
>> No. 219158
http://choppi.tumblr.com/post/67075118456/olafquest2013

His madness is seeping.
>> No. 219170
Maleficent trailer starring An…youtube thumb
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