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369961 No. 369961
You know, I have to ask.

Why is Moot still banning this stuff? I mean, I get not wanting it on an SFW board, but furry drama is dead. The ban serves no purpose any longer, and every other major 'chan board changed their rules years ago.

Why the hold-out on Moot's part?
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>> No. 369963
Tradition. Old times' sake. Not knowing any better.
In all honestly, bronies (the obnoxious post-Episode 3 on /co/ kind) seem to be the furries of this generation and stuff.

I mean, I'm not gonna complain about furries. Their obscure fetishes have been paying my (hypothetical) rent for three months now.
>> No. 369965
How come there aren't any tapir fursonas?
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>>369965
There's a few nameless ones.
You know what's surprisingly rare in the furry community though?
Beavers. It seems like there'd be more but NOPE everyone's an otter.
>> No. 369967
>>369965
1. Hard to make sexy (aka furries don't know tapirs are hung and those that like chubby creatures like -very- chubby creatures) or cute (furries hate imagination and effort)
2. Originality is frowned upon as trying too hard
3. Never been in a disney movie
4. Not a housepet or more exotic housepet relative (ignore their relation to horses)
5. Has a nose that goes way past it's lower lip, so they can't use the same 3 or 4 faces they always use

Most of these also apply to pangolin and other cool creatures.
>> No. 369968
>>369966
Ok, what about Vampyroteuthis infernalis?

>>369967
That strikes me as odd. If you're going to draw your own character, why not pick something different or cool?
>> No. 369970
>>369968
People go with what they like and they like stuff they've seen. Rare and different animals don't get a lot of attention outside people actually interested in rare and different animals. Also, Furries tend to draw from the common mythology, so more Anubis and dog breeds than Sekhmets and addaxes. I can't speak for the whole fandom, and there are always exceptions to the rules.
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>> No. 369972
>>369965
>>369966
>>369967
Harder to give those a hairdo?
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>>369972
Nah.
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>> No. 369978
I assume the furry drama and a DNP list a mile long might be an issue here.
>> No. 369979
Honestly? I'd imagine the long standing ban is so the kinds of drama we originally saw never occurs again. Furries as individuals can be alright, but let them start going and the loudest and most wtf amongst them quickly raise their heads. It's not like it stops a furry thread from occurring in /b/ every now and again
>> No. 369982
I bet they can still get pretty riled up if you namedrop the wrong artist at the wrong time of day. It's probably like that with some fanbase or other across all the boards, though.

>>369967
I've seen a pangolin turn out alright. Maybe artists can't be bothered with all the scales.
>> No. 369995
>>369979
I think it's allowed on /b/, no?
>> No. 369997
>>369995
insomuch as spitting is allowed at the O.K. Corral
>> No. 370000
>>369995
There are no rules on /b/. But there are also no rules about what the mods can and can't delete/close/ban you for on /b/. So it just depends whether or not a mod feels like coming down on it or thinks it would be funny to do so.
>> No. 370002
>>369982
>I bet they can still get pretty riled up if you namedrop the wrong artist at the wrong time of day. It's probably like that with some fanbase or other across all the boards, though.
Exactly. Most of the drama furries have is nothing new to 4chan. /co/ still has a bug up their ass about Yamino, and don't talk about... well a lot of people on /v/.
>> No. 370003
>>370002
Also, have any of the other porn-exclusive boards on the other popular chans exploded with drama over furry? I'm seriously asking, I haven't heard of any.
>> No. 370007
>>370003
I haven't seen much, but none of those chans are anywhere near as large as 4chan.
>> No. 370013
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Furries are horrible cretins and they deserve eternal hellfire.
/Inside joke

The sort of carpet bombing clusterfuckery anyone who utters the word "furry" while describing themselves is hit with is something I've never understood. I've seen people adamantly defend things like gay, lolicon, transexual, ect. and then turn right around and bash furries. Same person who's for equal rights and against discrimination and is accepting of people's beliefs suddenly turns into a giant crit hippo when someone says furry. What am I missing? Is this justified? Can such blatant stereotyping really be true? I've met mixed people from the fandom; some were morons, yes, but some were utterly normal people. Some just liked the aspect of it. Some didn't really care. Some this, some that, all of it what you would see in pretty much any fandom. Seeing as that's personal experience, I can't speak for every single person out there. But I can say there's enough of a niche to say that not every "Furry" is what they're made out to be. I think DasBoSchitt of all people says it the best in this video:

The BoSchitt Vlog: Broniesyoutube thumb
>> No. 370024
>>370013
Furries hold a special place in the history of the internet for being the original "bring up shit that has nothing to do with the fucking topic at hand" posters.

Look, not all furries are generally bad people. If you think there's a wolf spirit inside of you or whatever fucking bullshit that helps you get it up at night, nobody really gives a fuck except who you're sticking it to, chum. Fursuits are weird and stupid and like humping baseball mascot costumes, but whatever some people shove soccer balls up their ass.

Furries used to have this thing where any conversation topic you were discussing, they would start discussing their fursona, or how the subject involved their fursona, or just how their fursona was going to initiate intercourse with the subject. And frankly, some of it was some real creeper shit. Not just "completely irrelevant to the topic at hand"; more like "this shit would get you locked up if anyone in an actual position of caring saw it motherfucker".

While it might have been only those abhorrent examples of humanity that drew notice, there were enough of them that they made an easy target. I believe Something Awful, back in the day, created an entire subforum for furries which saw rigorous use for about a month until Lowtax banned everyone who posted there and deleted the subforum. They called it the "Lolocaust" iirc.
>> No. 370026
>>370024
Yeah that happened. And then moot, a goon at heart, decided to do his own version. Known as April Furs Day.
>> No. 370027
>>370026
exactly. Furries are a weird question, all things told. On one hand you have the supreme right of speech; this belief that anything, no matter how ludicrous, obtuse, or obscene must be treated with due mediocrum of respect.

And on the other hand you have this aspect where furryism doesn't apply to anything outside of itself. It is a potential sexual orientation, but is frequently inhabited by dudes saying they are furry to bolster some kind of internal sexual monologue.

It's a strange argument, and difficult to broach because it is so polarizing.
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>>370027
>Furry is a sexual orientation
Jesus H Christopher what am I reading. Furry isn't a sex. It's like a... Race. Fetish.
>>370024
The way I hurd it is that alot of furries tend to act like total dickmunchers, or at least the public ones. Like the steam profiles you stumble across that has an ASCII paw and who's top group is Furaffinity and has a furry avatar. That, combined with them being and/or sounding-acting like a 12 year old solidifies in the minds of biased people that all furries must be like that, just like how you see a guy teaching his kid Klingon and you think "All Trekkies must be like this". For every one of those there's probably at least 5 people who just dabble in and/or know of furry shit and just want to look at it and be left alone. It's just like every fandom out there; the loudest are heard the most. Stupid people get the spotlight more than well-content people because they actively seek it, and then set a standard that's superimposed on everyone related to this fandom. If there's any bronies here you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

#osama_spreading_glory_to_the_people #notdead #allhail #allah
>> No. 370046
>>370024
>like humping baseball mascot costumes
that is my fetish.jpg

>>370027
>On one hand you have the supreme right of speech; this belief that anything, no matter how ludicrous, obtuse, or obscene must be treated with due mediocrum of respect.
Maybe it's a right, but there's always the faggots that abuse the privilege, yeah. Like >>370034 said,
>If there's any bronies here you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
>> No. 370049
>>370046
Still, the idea of a right is that it can be used improperly. It would be nice if no one did, but as long as its not interfering with anyone else's right to the same, they can say and act what they want.

The qualifier is that you don't have to respect it. At all. Don't censor, but if someone's being stupid, call them out on it. Hard.
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>>369961
>furry drama is dead
Not if retarded assholes have anything to do about it. And there will always be retarded assholes. Proof? Any remotely furry thread on /co/ will be flooded with porn in a matter of minutes.
>> No. 370073
>>370061
No, I distinctively remember the Animalympics thread being pretty porn-lacking.
Actually, hey!
http://archive.foolz.us/co/thread/40221932/
You were there too!
>> No. 370078
>>370034
eh, figured I might catch an earful from a lurking SJ'r or some shit, not the other way around.

>>370049
>don't respect it
and that's just what happened. A lot of the original furries were at the "GUYS I JUST BUILT MY OWN HORSE VAGINA FLESHLIGHT" level of WTF and in that one sentence any respect they could've possibly ever earned flew out the window. It didn't help that the loudest were also the dumbest and most entertaining to mess with. I don't think anyone back in the day really claimed "I'm a sane furry" or "I just like it for the art"; everyone was too busy being horrified by the roving localized human disasters.
>> No. 370086
>>370049
I see it differently. That would validate trolling, for instance, and that's how it's often abused. I don't care for the u.s.' "first ammendment" or whatever it's called, if someone doesn't have the common sense to know proper limits and doesn't have the respect for it, whoever's in the authority has the responsibility to step in and show them some limits.

I'm not too knowledgeable about the furry communities and stuff, but I've been on the MLP:FiM fandom from about the start, and I saw exactly where things started getting real shitty. At first it was on 4chan and the threads even had a bit of self regulation, even because they had to since mods over there mostly didn't give a shit, but in the focused sites, it got pretty obvious. From then on the more fucked up, the louder they got trying hard to validate their bullshit. Allowing ("loving and tolerating"?) stuff to be around to be "democratic" if the authorities/site owners/mods can help is the same as legitimizing and promoting it. That's how things escalate.
>> No. 370087
>>370085
It's not about the U.S. "first amendment", it's about the fact that you can say and do practically anything here on the internet and there is no one telling you otherwise.

Common sense can be unbelievably lacking, especially if you have young, socially inexperienced people being dropped into realms that embrace all kinds of questionable sexual activities. Combine that with the fact that frequently the person most able to set the standards for a given community is a misanthrope with a BAN button, and that the classical furfags were whiny attention whores who just got all "help help I'm bein' repressed" whenever someone did hit the "Know your ass ain't 'sposed ta do dat" switch, and trolling was really inevitable.

Another thing that doesn't help is that a lot of Furries used to have "being furry" as really core to their belief structures, which made it almost impossible to tell them anything. Examined aempircally, a lot of furries can from somewhat poor backgrounds both economically and educationally. They frequently came from homes where their parents were arguably more fucked up than they were, and in some cases abusively fucked up.

IMHO, a fair number of the early furries likely adopted their furry identities as a means of exercising control over something in their lives, in this case their sexual identity, which can be a very powerful mental pillar if you think you're sexy as a hawk or something. A lot of them were very forthwith about it because they saw it as something to be proud of. For the rest of us, it was like someone walking into a party and screaming "I have the whips and chains I just need someone to grease my butthole". It didn't make sense to many and quite a few took as a cue to ridicule the fuck out of them because goddamn that shit will fly nowhere near anything of actual importance in the real world.
>> No. 370093
I don't have anything against anthros.

What bugs me are people who will only watch shows, read books, or watch cartoons with anthro characters, or who are very into drawing porn of every furry character, because it seems like you're more indulging a fetish than actually liking a series for its other merits. But I feel the same way with people who only like any character for their fetishistic potential.
>> No. 370100
>The qualifier is that you don't have to respect it. At all. Don't censor, but if someone's being stupid, call them out on it. Hard.

This is pretty much how I feel about it.

If a person is a furry, I don't give a fuck. But when they whine about people 'discriminating' against them, I can't help but think they're kind of an idiot. It's like, yeah, what the fuck did you expect to happen? If you have some bizarre sexual fetish, you keep it to yourself. That's just common sense and decency.

And I think the whole thing started because furries weren't just the first really big group on the internet to take their fetish to WTF levels, but because they were the first really big group on the internet to make their fetish into a lifestyle. You don't see chubby chasers hold conventions where they all hang out in fat-suits, after all.

Nowadays I think most people who hate furries hate them because they're just the type who shows hate for any fetish they think is weird, and/or because furries became really popular to hate. Neither of those are good reasons imo, and they aren't really why hate for furries started in the first place, but it's what seems to motivate most of the hate they get today. The hate just got carried over to new people over time, even if those people don't really know why the hate even started, and now they want to join in on it. That's just how people are.

I don't sympathize with furries at all though, because if people mock you for it (and I mean an actual identity you have, not on an anonymous image board), then you fucked up in the first place by even being open about it. I have plenty of weird fetishes but I keep them fucking private, unless I'm somewhere I know it's okay to talk about them.
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>>370100
>>370087
Okay, I gotta get this out there.
Furry ≠ fetish
Furry ≠ sexuality
Furry = Fandom.
It's nothing like walking into a party with whips and chains, it's walking into a party and saying "I LIKE ANIME". People have anime personas. There's a whole section of porn dedicated to anime (Hentai). People obsess over it. There's a bunch of retards that make it look bad. It's essentially a different frequency of furry. But it never gets as much hate and in fact even gets massive support due to some twist of circumstance. Someone can be a furry and never look at the porn. They can be a furry and still look at normal porn. They can be a furry and still be an adjusted person. You can watch anime and not look at hentai. You can watch anime and not go to cons. You can draw anime and not interject your words with b-baka and tsunder. There's literally no difference between these two things except their content
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>>370140
>not looking at the porn

what the devil are they repping it for then
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>>370150
It gives them something to identify with. Something to channel their more inner thoughts and opinions through a conduit of sorts. Providing a sense of comfort and security.
>> No. 370178
>>370140
I know those types of furries exist, but they definitely seem like a minority. But I'm not part of the fandom, so maybe I'm just talking out of my ass like I usually do.
>> No. 370183
>>370178
As someone who has the fetish and draws for the comunity, I can confirm what you say is true.
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>>370183
>Draws porn
>Frequents porn communities
>Talks to people there purely for the porn
>"They must all be perverts."
I walked into a church today, that proves that everyone is Catholic.
>>370178
They seem like a minority because they don't broadcast themselves. Apply it to real life. You probably don't think there's alot of Jewish people in your area but you can't know unless you start asking people. There aren't any porn-free furrycentric boards/sites that I can think of, which means you have to ask around. I've met gobs of people through steam who say they like furry stuff and have no outwards appearance of being a social reject or incapable of passing 4th grade grammar. You can't just look into a crowd and make a judgement, you have to interview the individual people. And the people not in the crowd. And the people nowhere near it.
>>370160
Just like any fandom: Likeminded people coming together to talk about and create for their ship.
>> No. 370202
I admit I sort of envy furry artists. A lot of them make a lot of commission money, and both of my friends who do furry art are really good at drawing and coloring (I'm finally getting the hang of anatomy, but shading eludes me still). You can be really creative in making up a species, too.

I'm wondering as well what the association is between a lot of furries and bara art (as I am a fan of bara, one of those rare ladies who like it).
>> No. 370270
>>370073
Expect me to be everywhere. Except when there is no signal.
>> No. 370293
Call me crazy, but I'd always liked to do a book about the history of furries. Going all the way back to the '70s/'80s animation industry and underground comic scene and then up to the First Internet Age of VCL and Geocities, eventually culminating in 4chan and MLP and whatnot.

I believe the majority of furry hate originated the same way pony hate does: People within the fandom not knowing when to hold back and annoying the hell out of people outside the fandom. In this case, furries posting their OCs and even porn in places where it wouldn't be appreciated, along with the special cases who start drama genocides wherever they turn. This lead to a mass banning effect that quarantined furries to their own forums and hangouts, helped by the fact that "furry" came to be a racial epithet on the Web, an inside joke amongst kids who've never actually seen macro-dick porn or multi-breasts.

Things cooled down as 4chan arrived and talking about weird cartoon porn became "acceptable" enough that dickgirls aren't completely off-limits to the general consciousness. Furry was and still is taboo, but more and more folks are recognizing that "big titted cartoon rabbits =/= bestiality fetish" and letting the sticks out of there asses. Few even acknowledge that some furries are more melodramatic than others, after seeing the same phenomenon in their own fandoms.
>> No. 370301
Do any of you think there'll be a date when furry may get on 4chan? Like a specific year or something?
>> No. 370307
>>370202
another femanon here who's a fan of mild-to-moderate bara, though not to fullblown Chris Redfield levels
I think a lot of it has to do with body hair and the whole "bear" image that a lot of gay guys find really attractive, and some of it might also be due to taking the idea of a guy being an "animal in bed" to the natural conclusion

I might just be talking out of my ass though, because I don't personally know any furries and most of my friends who are gay cannot stand bara or other stuff in that vein
>> No. 370309
>>370307
I think it depends. I'm female and more into bara and my ex, who's bi, was almost exclusively into bishounen, but I've also seen the exact opposite happen. We agreed we wished there was a happy medium between the two, though-- more realistic portrayals of gay couples, like bara, but with plots and romance like yaoi (just not the creepy non-con uguu constantly blushing type, ugh).

I think Chris can be attractive, just not when he's drawn with those giant Street Fighter forearms, because that weirds me out. Although I laughed when Conan O'Brien reviewed RE6 and commented that Chris was hot.

That makes sense, the whole animal-in-bed thing. I've seen even non-furries who love that, the biting and licking and being predatory aspect.
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>>370301
>> No. 370345
So long as furries exist, they must be battled.
>> No. 370350
>>370345
7chan was born in part to cleanse the world of furries, but they have done no such thing.
>> No. 370368
>>370350
That site could benefit from more traffic.
>> No. 370369
>>370301
Only, and ONLY if retards will stop posting fucked-up porn where it doesn't belong.
>> No. 370373
>>370369
Yet, they always will, because they know fucked up porn dumps are cheap, easy ways to troll. Somebody will inevitably get their knickers in a bunch over futa, or vore, or S&M, or etc.
>> No. 370387
>>370373
this.

"unbanning" furry would just be a massive trolling opportunity. It's not like there isn't a furry thread there every time I look at /b/. But like creating a /fur/ board? I expect that would be short, horrifying, and intensely funny for all involved except whatever poor bastard they got to moderate that shit.
>> No. 370401
>>370387
Would it really be so hard to not just get it out of everyone's system? Unban furry discussion as a concept in and of itself, give something like /d/ or something a place to post it as porn, let it have discussion in relevance to actual connected boards or just general discussion, and start flexing that sexy new batch of janitors and moderators to make sure they stay on the straight and narrow.

Yeah, it'd suck for a while, but can it be weighed as better or worse than the current path? I think that's why Moot doesn't want to change it the most, he's afraid the backlash will be too powerful to deal with. I don't think he really cares about actually hating furries anymore.
>> No. 370402
i admit to having a sort of trainwreck curiosity about the furries who treat it like their lifestyle, not their fetish. similarly curious about the people who live the 24/7 bdsm lifestyle - i can't parse the sort of mindset that takes what gets them off and then goes "yes this should be in all aspects of my life."
>> No. 370407
>>370401
Personally, I don't really think so. The stigma against furries is more than just that of the lifestyle, it was really of the public behavior that so many brought to the forefront of every aspect of their lives.

You say it'll be fine, but the presence of the bronies really detracts from that idea. And the thing about it with furries is, it really comes back to that whole "you don't have to respect it" thing. Making it OK is personally distasteful to me, having been on the internet from around 1996 onward and really watching furries not just in 4chan but all over the web.

You're into hairy guys, chains and whips, ladyboys, whatever. It doesn't matter because those are the things you go off and you do in private or with a partner or maybe a few. But when you make that your public stance, the platform from which you base all judgements and biases, it's annoying. If gay people started off every sentence with "so I was getting fucked in the ass the other day", the novelty quickly wears thin.

Plus, a lot of furries were the kinds of life failures that just didn't merit emulation for any reason. The initial notion they carried, that somehow being part of this sub-culture made them special and unique snowflakes, lead basically to Chris Chan as a kind of penultimate example. It was the combination of these two aspects of most furries that greatly annoyed a lot of people across a lot of different forums, and creeped pretty much everyone out.

The hatred is kept alive because there is basically no reason to ever act like that. You say there are reasonable people living the furry lifestyle, and, while I can believe that, the thing is is that they don't really live their lives in such a way that everything is about being a furry. Nothing damaged the furries' reputation like they themselves did. To unban them would be to give the tacit okay to the behavior initially committed under their banner. That is not an "okay" I would ever give, nor is it one that m00t wants to revisit, methinks.
>> No. 370417
>>370199
>they must all be

I guess you missed the part where he said minority. Every single Furry site I have found is at the very least 70 percentfilled with porn.
>> No. 370419
>>370417
And that's the point. Most imageboard furries don't want to talk drama. They want to post porn. Making a /fur/ itself would focus drama there, but here's a different scenario.

/d/ gets the porn,
/b/ and /r9k/ get the drama if they want to talk about it.
And MAYBE /soc/ gets the meetups. Probably not.

Speaking as someone from /d/, most of us already have all the fetishes and borderline furry fascinations, and more importantly, most of us are for taking the porn. That's not just conjecture, every time they're asked they want it. The only issue is the burst of transition will suck. We had the same with Dmitrys and western porn. Dmitrys was allowed and for about a year, EVERY problem was placed on the western porn 'newfags'. And then, something interesting happened... people stopped whining. And now nearly every thread is a combination of western and eastern porn.

I'm not saying furry will have that same luxury, but /d/ would easily be able to manage it. We report troll and drama threads, not get involved. Yes, it may not be fun, but with the anger about every fetish thread getting clipped and trimmed to the point of becoming discussion and links to removed posts, it's probably worth the change.
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>If gay people started off every sentence with "so I was getting fucked in the ass the other day", the novelty quickly wears thin.

Double standard. Straight guys between the approximate ages of 15-50 preface every conversation with "so I was fucking my girlfriend/wife/prostitute the other day" even if its a complete lie. Sad to say it, but men of either orientation base much of their worth in their social circles with how much they are getting laid; they have to brag about their sexual conquests in order to keep their "cred". Same as rich people basing their worth on how much cash they have; so they preface every conversation talking about a luxury car they bought or what they did on their 50-foot yacht the other day.


Also, I say this on every furry board I come to whenever this topic comes up. The stereotype about furries being oversexualized perverts is completely true. But this is a truth about humans in general. If you allow any fandom free reign on a nsfw board, they're going to post porn. Humans tend to like porn, and lots of it, regardless of what type they prefer to look at.

Being homosexual, I REALLY don't like the "sexy screenshots" thread in /jam, but far be it for ME to impose my own preferences on what should or should not be allowed (I'd love there to be a similar thread with boys, but that would be ridiculous; it's majority rule, I realize that completely). My point is, the whole furry "drama" thing is just an excuse, whether realized or subconscious. You just don't want furries around because you don't like furry porn and don't want to see anything even suggesting of such. You come to this board expecting to see things you like and not see things you don't like, which is the entire reason you come here at all. Otherwise, you'd go to some other board.

In either case, furries don't generally create drama among themselves. There are occasional arguments on the merits/demerits of "cub" (rare because most boards that allow furry still disallow perceived-underage stuff) and sometimes nitpicky opinions about human/realistic genitals and whether canine anthros should be digitigrade or plantigrade and whether or not to have different/colored head hair on top of the existing fur, etc.. But for the most part, drama is created by non-furry trolls who come into the furry boards and talk about how terrible furries are. On a board like this, which is a little on the slow side and filled mostly with reasonable people, that wouldn't happen.

Personally, I don't give a crap either way. If there was a furry board, I would go there and talk about furry stuff and maybe post furry porn. If there was not, I will continue going to other furry boards. I just wanted to make a few points about the issue that I feel are being misunderstood or misrepresented.
>> No. 370431
>>370425
>Sad to say it, but men of either orientation base much of their worth in their social circles with how much they are getting laid; they have to brag about their sexual conquests in order to keep their "cred".
>channers getting laid
>anyone believing
>"cred"
>2012
>> No. 370437
>>370425
>double standard

except not really. We don't have to treat anyone who shoves their sexuality in other peoples' faces for any reason with any respect. Bros starting out every sentence with details of their sexual exploits is also be very annoying. The difference is that they don't; it may be core to them, core to what they do, but if they start off every sentence with some lurid sexual detail then they are quickly classified as douchebags and suitably mocked.

I don't really give a fuck about the porn. Some of it's hot, most of it is 110% WTF. But the thing is, if it stays in the 1 furry thread or to furry boards then it's fine, I don't care, I don't have to look at it. It is the insertion of furry porn, furry drama, or furry opinions into topics that have nothing to do with being a furry in any way shape or form, as well as the public displays of disturbing sexuality from people you'd never want to watch fuck anyway that really grew the furry hatred.

Gay, Straight, Bi, BDSM, wearing ones' sexuality on ones' sleeve for any kind of preference or fetish is ludicrous, dull, and displays a stunning lack of any kind of social graces. It is not bad that you have these preferences or enjoy the porn. That's fine, that's cool, that even jibs with *chan culture in a certain respect. It's when that behavior becomes your only talking point as a person, and a talking point that you can't help but bring up in other discussions, that people really lose respect for you.

Ask any femanon what the worst, creepiest, greasiest pickup line she ever had was and after her explanation you'll have a good understanding of what it was like dealing with these people on a day to day basis. A best, they were decently normal people who were far too open about how much and what kind of porn they looked at. At worst, they were potential sex offenders who were one public indecency charge away from a straight jacket.

It's about having the social graces to not force that lifestyle on others. The reputation furries currently have was earned entirely by proponents of the fandom, much like the bronies. The problem with it is much the same problem as a lot of the asexuality, pansexuality and similar groups; putting "asexual" on your profile page does not automatically grant you anything in terms of respect, general knowledge and intelligence, or even reasonable debate. It doesn't give you free reign to act however you see fit because it falls in line with the fandom. And if you just so happen to take your significant other out into the streets and start fucking them with a dragon dildo while wearing a fox suit, it does not protect you from ridicule and mockery.

Basically, if you think that you can just dump your porn into someone elses' lap in every time you talk to them and expect them to be okay with it, you are wrong. The reputation was earned by the furries and I see no trouble letting it stand as a reminder to all those that follow. It is not about shaming people for their sexual preferences, it's about the fact that these people have done things that should make them ashamed of themselves. It's a very fine line to walk but the difference is there.
>> No. 370438
>>370437
You could always just ban the people who don't get that porn doesn't go on a NSFW board and let a porn board do what it wants.
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>>370425
Oh look, a gay person derails thread!
>> No. 370443
>>370438
Missing the point. It isn't about the porn. It's about the behavior. Do you want the porn? There are furry porn boards out there right now. Speaking as a long-time netizen? The necessity some people feel to inject their smut into every single aspect of their lives and then try and inject it into every single aspect of others' lives is hideously unattractive. It violates social mores, it violates other peoples' rights to their own attractions, it violates the posters' own dignity in quite a few cases.

Furries were really the first and most notorious of this. That's why the hatred is so widespread.
>> No. 370447
>>370440
Twister pls
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>>370437

You're so entirely full of it. Where does this deep-seated hatred of furries come from, for you personally? because I can tell as plain as day that you're ESPECIALLY incensed about the topic. Or are you just upset because your plain heterosexuality is boring compared to all the wtf crap everyone looks at on the internet, and you're feeling unappreciated?

You're as bad as the people going on about how ALL Muslims are all insane murdering extremists just based on the actions of a few. Yes, some terrorists are Muslims; but not all Muslims are terrorists. Islam is a BIT more complex and nuanced than Jihad. Do you want me to provide you with an extensive LIST of the different types of furries? I can do that, too. But for now, refer to the image I posted. There's some common types.

Also, for the billionth time, not all furries wear fursuits. In fact, most of them don't, because even cheap fursuits are EXPENSIVE AS HELL to make and most furries — like most people in general — are too poor for that. To say nothing of the fact that they're said to be uncomfortable and hot to wear (and darn near impossible to have sex in) and that most don't even like the idea. I'm sorry that you, like most everyone else it seems, get your entire knowledge base of "furry" from 4chan and that one episode of CSI, and then assume that's total reality. It's ridiculous, childish, and sad. Are you the kind of guy who watches those "Ancient Aliens" specials and assume it's fact just because it's on The History Channel?

By the way, I hear some ancestors of yours had slaves. Some of my African American friends think that you people totally earned your reputation for being racist scumbags, so they're coming over to lynch you tomorrow. Oh? It wasn't actually YOU who did those things? Sorry, can't help you man.

If you actually made up that all trolltastic nonsense just to cause "furry drama", you also proved my other point that such drama is caused by trolls. Thanks. I doubt you could be capable of thinking that far in advance; but I just thought I'd cover all my bases while I'm here.


>>370440

I derailed a thread about furries by talking about furries? I really must be a wizard.
>> No. 370458
>>370456
>comparing furries to muslims
omfg are you for real
>> No. 370469
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>>370417
If you look in the toilet and you find shit what have you accomplished.

Stop looking at sites that are %70 porn and you'll stop finding people who are there for the porn.

>>370407
Refer to
>>370140
I said this already. Furry is not a fetish. It's a fandom. Furries aren't sex objects, they're fictional little people animals. Saying "furry" doesn't make a conversation about sex.

>>370425
>>370437
You two, here's a knife, fight to the death for my amusement. However the furry is somewhat right. From what I've seen furries don't make dramas by themselves. They're all well and content. People just stir up shit FOR them. Having furries on a board doesn't create intrinsic drama, it creates a possible catalyst for it. The reactant is a bored person with internet access. As for dumping your porn in other people's laps have a gander at a few fetish threads on bee. If it's gay, straight porn will be posted. If it's traps, people will tell them they're stupid. Nobody is to blame for this. No GROUP is to blame for this. Blaming furries for crossposting porn is like blaming brown people for terrorism. Al Qaeda is made of brown people, this doesn't make brown people terrorists. Furries shitpost, this doesn't make furries shitposters. It makes the INDIVIDUAL a shitposter/terrorist. That sort of canvas ideology is why so many people don't get along (See: Democrats and Republicans). There may be a higher amount of them in a certain fandom but it still doesn't make them ALL that way.

Not gonna get involved in the whole faeries versus jocks thing you two have fun.

>>370458
See, look I compared furries to Muslims too.

>>370456
Dear everloving spaghetti god please stop. You're acting like every stereotype ever. I'm not saying that to be mean, I even just got yo back on this post, just stop with the words you are forming. stoopospoptoptopstop
Also that list is %90 negative stereotypes and it pretty much back up what he's saying.
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>>370456
>> No. 370486
>>370469
I think I like your method of thinking. Futa isn't a fetish, it's a fandom.

If someone happens to find futa porn when they look for futa art, that's a reflection on THEM.
>> No. 370491
when i was a little kid on the internet for the first time i came across furries and thought they must be the cool kids, because they were nice and a lot of them were good artists with cute animal characters. at nine or ten or whatever i was i kind of wanted to be accepted into their group but i couldn't get into the whole animal people and fursona thing at all, so i never did. maybe i dodged a bullet there.

the furries i know today though really are just people who... like to draw animal people characters and have an animal person character to represent themselves. the ones who draw furry porn do it because there's ridiculous amounts of $$$ to be made from the minority for which it truly is a fetish (although it's usually coupled with another fetish). that's kind of why furry as fetish is kind of questionable though, just because there's so often another fetish present in there, like babyfur shit or the muscle mountain thing, where that fetish is pretty obviously the thing that makes it "hot" to them and the character it's on just happens to be a fox dude. not that some furries aren't into beastiality or xenophilia, that's a real confirmed thing that is true, but i think they are just a small but particularly toxic subgroup.

why is there so much furry porn in general? probably because the furry fandom is composed mostly of young adults and it's huge. fandoms like that are almost invariably filled with porn because that's... just what fandom does. and let's be honest, most artists draw porn even if it's not going to see the light of day. doesn't matter what the subject is, usually just characters they are used to drawing, which happens to be anthropomorphic characters often enough in this circumstance.

also i don't really care what anyone's opinion on fursuits is, it takes some serious craftsmanship to be able to make some of those costumes. props to them
>> No. 370500
>>370491

Exactly this. I agree with everything.

My biggest point is that furry isn't a type of porn; it's a type of character — that is, any character that has both human and animal traits, an anthropomorph. Any type of fetish or porn can be attached to the "base" of a furry character, but the base doesn't automatically have a pornographic element on its own (heck, it probably does not even have an primarily-defined gender). Any furry "fandom" you are familiar with will probably be a porn imageboard, and not representative of the whole concept of furry. Even Bugs Bunny is a furry character. That means if you watch Looney Toons and like Bugs, congratulations, you're technically a furry of one type. That doesn't mean you participate in the fandom or look at that kind of porn; it just means you like the "base" of what furry is all about.
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>>370486
Futa is necessarily about sex from the start. Women with penises. There isn't really anything nonsexual about that. You can't put that into a situation and fully expect it not to end up at sex in under a few posts. Furries are a group of peoplethings. You can interject them in, say, a children's show and it would take quite a stretch of reasoning to make it seem like it was about sex. Furries in general are not geared towards a certain direction; that is to mean, it can be literally anything. They're not giant tentacle monsters that are made up of penises and sustains itself by raping people. They ARE people(thingsanimals). You can have a furry and make it a totally agenderous asexual being with a job as a tax consultant who happens to be a catthing.

I guess what I'm saying is you can play madlibs with this. Replace furry with Asian. A normal Asian human person from the continent Asia. Would you say all the same things you say about furries if you had to use the word Asian instead? Asians are a fetish. It's a really stupid and awkward thing to go to a party and tell everyone you like Asians. It creeps me out when people say they're Asian.
Asians are people. Furries are, intrinsically, no different. There's nothing intrinsically sexual about Asians. Same with furries. It's what you do and think to them that shapes what they are.

>>370491
This is... %90 true. You don't need a fursona to be part of the fandom. And a fursona isn't a sex object either. It's the same thing as a Naruto OC or Sherlock ect. (Putting that out there)

>>370500
Don't be so harsh about it. Liking Looeny Toons doesn't make you a furry. In the same way someone can watch MLP and not be a Brony. If you like it enough to pursue it THEN you are. And it doesn't have to necessarily be a furry should it be anthropomorphic. Personally I believe that in order for something to be furry the person who created it has to say that it is. It can be an anthromorph and not a furry, like how you can be a human and not a Doctor Who character.
>> No. 370515
>but furry drama is dead
>people start talking about futa on day 2
>> No. 370521
>>370515
That's not furry drama. That's futa bitching. And if you've ever been on /d/ or elsewhere, that shit goes down independent of furry all the time.
>> No. 370522
>>370521
And if futa drama is equal to furry drama and it hasn't broken the board, either it's not a qualifier for why something should be banned and furry should be allowed, or it doesn't matter and then neither does furry drama.
>> No. 370527
>>370522
I see some people really want to talk about futa.

Do you want to talk about it on /co/?
>> No. 370533
>>370510
Fine. I'll play your game.

>Asians are necessarily about sex from the start. Asians with penises. There isn't really anything nonsexual about that. You can't put that into a situation and fully expect it not to end up at sex in under a few posts.
>> No. 370535
>>370533
You're being an ass, but I agree with about half of your point.

If you have a character that is a futa, but they never engage in anything remotely sexual, you just like the idea of a chick with a dick as a character. If their penis never enters into any important story parts, it really just is being a fan rather than a fetish. It's just harder to convince people that wanting more stories involving women with penises is not for sexual gratification than wanting more stories starring funny animals.
>> No. 370536
>>370535
I get the argument for furries not being a fetish, but honestly? For most furries it seems like a fetish.

it's like, you can like fat people but not have a fetish for them, but that doesn't mean that fat fetishists aren't fetishists.
>> No. 370537
>>370536
That seems right. Furry has an absurd number of fetishists, but that still doesn't mean that there aren't people who enjoy it non-sexually. Or that there aren't people who enjoy it both ways.
>> No. 370538
>>370537
Oh yeah, but that applies to ANY fetish, so that's really not an defense of furries in particular. If we say "No furries are not a fetish, they're a fandom" there really aren't any fetishes out there.
>> No. 370539
what don't you understand about "all furry fetishists are furries, but not all furries are fetishists"

it's really not that hard
>> No. 370540
>>370539
That isn't the phrasing that most people have used.
Most people have said "Furry isn't a fetish, it's a fandom."
Not "Not all furries are fetishists."
Compare "Fat-lovers aren't fetishists" and "not all fat-lovers are fetishists." The first is clearly at least partially false. The second is true. Same applies to furries.
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>>370538
Fandom is an umbrella term that allows for any type of interest while fetishism is a specific sub-type of interest. There's some weird overlapping bullshit, but nothing is really so clean.
>> No. 370542
>>370540
The guys who claim that fat-admiration is pure as the driven snow, only occasionally tainted by the exceptional fetishists are also absolutely delusional.
>> No. 370543
>>370541
Well yeah, "nothing is so clean" is my point. Fat-Admiration, or the Futa communities, or BDSM, or any fetish you pick has weird overlapping shit.
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People are still misusing terminology, and though I hate arguing semantics, I really can't stop myself. Sorry.


Fetish - Verb: To make sexual some thing that is not inherently sexual; to pervert, to corrupt.

Fetish - Noun: A non-sexual object or situation that one has a sexual attraction to, usually through correlation.


Bugs Bunny does not have a penis, but he does occasionally dress up as a woman, spontaneously grow breasts, and kiss Elmer Fudd. While it might be debatable whether the cartoon shorts are actually sexual, it's hard to find much of anything ALIVE created by humans that is not somewhat tinged by sexuality. Humans are ridiculously sexual, which is why I've mentioned a couple of times that furries being ridiculous perverts is not particularly special or odd.

Many things can be a fetish, some of them common and some of them not. Attraction to genitals and rear-ends is to be expected via biology; but attraction to breasts is quite unnatural — it's a mainstream fetish created by western society. The human breast is not a sexual organ, its only purpose is to feed young, so attraction to them on their own is a fetish.

However, saying all of furry is a fetish is incorrect. A drawing of anthropomorphic characters having intercourse is inherently sexual, designed to cause arousal in fact. If a person masturbates while looking at such an image, he is not engaging in fetishism. If he does so while looking at a SFW image, he IS. Masturbating while looking at a creature with both genitals and cat ears may later create a correlation, which could cause a fetish attraction to MERELY the cat ears, but that is not how most people work. Most people like dicks and/or boobs, regardless of what they're attached to.

Furry porn is not a fetish; it's porn: it's automatically sexual.

I understand this results in a bit of a paradox. Either everything attached to basic sexuality is a fetish, or virtually nothing is a fetish. My own way of looking at it is whether or not there is a sexual element attached at the time. A person into leather who has sex with a person wearing leather clothing is not participating in fetish behavior; a person into leather who has sex with an inanimate pile of leather clothing is. Thus, the attraction to leather is a fetish, but only on its own.

So furry can be a fetish, but only if it's completely non-sexual and someone is nonetheless sexually attracted to it or aroused by it. This isn't common.
>> No. 370593
>>370543
god at this point you are being purposely obtuse, aren't you. a fandom for cartoon anthropomorphic animal characters isn't the same as bsdm or futa communities at all. you are being incredibly stupid. stop that.

the closest thing you are ever going to get to a non-fetishistic "futa" community is a community for actual mtf transgender people to talk to each other and that's barely applicable. bsdm communities that say it's "not a fetish" are those batshit ones where it's not just about sex for them, it's about sex and a whole lifestyle where you get people who think it's ok for doms to walk their subs like pets on leashes down the street.

with furries you have a large group of people who like to draw or play with animal characters who don't fetishize it at all in addition to a bunch of guys who are into it because they think it's hot/they think they are literally a wolf. it's not a case of reading playboy for the articles, it's a case of watching mlp so you can write about pinkie pie getting it on with fluttershy or whatever.
>> No. 370598
>Going through TVtropes Small Taxonomy Pools page
It's times like this I wish I could draw.
>> No. 370600
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This is a thing.
>> No. 370609
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You are all weird, terrible people.
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>>370609
>> No. 370611
>Humans are ridiculously sexual
This makes me want an example of a especially chaste species. Like maybe octopuses, who only mate near the end of their lives, or bees, where most of the population never mates at all and the queen is makes relatively few times compared to how many eggs she lays? Possibly some kinds of turtle/tortoise, since the females actually preserve sperm internally just so they don't have to bother with more sex later? Yeah, I'm going to guess that's about as chaste as it gets without reproducing asexually.
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>>370611
male salamanders deposit spermatophores, capsules of sperm on top of a gel, usually on twigs or leaves in ponds for a female to pick up with her butt if she feels like it. some salamander species have mating rituals where, in some cases, the male inserts his spermatophore in with his hand if the female is willing, but a lot of species just leave them wherever for wandering females to find and appraise. they don't even come back to check if anybody's taken it. they just don't give a fuck.

i think they probably win for having such a complete disinterest in sex that they have a way to have it without being anywhere near each other or doing anything that is remotely similar to mating behaviours
>> No. 370617
>>370609
At least we aren't New Yorkers
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Okay somewhere around the time I left last night and opened this tab today there was a cataclysmic explosion of BS and chittering. I parsed through some of it and read something about humans are inherently sexual and I have to say: Are you having sex right now. Are you thinking about sex, about to have sex or otherwise in some form of sexual situation. Now how often are you in those situations. We aren't inherently sexual in the same way a Swiss army knife isn't inherently a screwdriver.

Not even gonna on all the other hubub going down here. Just holy shit.
>> No. 370623
>furry drama is dead
I think this thread kind of disproves that, somewhat.
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>this thread
>> No. 370641
>>370623
I see heated discussion. Drama would be overrun mud-slinging back and forth about what this or that person did.
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