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117070 No. 117070
Cross-posting this from /co/.

> Well, since this is the only Korra thread on /co/ right now, may as well post here. I've been wanting to improve my editing skills, so i decided I'd try editing the first season of Korra into a movie while cutting out all the fat and maybe even making it better by excluding or rearranging certain events. It's been pretty fun so far, but I've been thinking of coming on here and asking what others think.

> So far I've
> -Cut out the fight between Korra and Amon on Avatar Island
> -Cut pretty much all of Ep. 5
> -Cut out the part where Korra destroys the ancient Air Bender artifact
> -Cut out anything that makes Bolin look like a bitch (Like when he cries after seeing Korra and Mako together)

> I still have to get in everything from Ep. 6 -12 and I'll probably go back and do more, smaller cuts to some of the earlier episodes.

This guy is editing season one into a movie. Not sure if this could get him called "autistic" or not.
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>> No. 117071
If he's doing it as an exercise to hone his skills, I wouldn't.

If he learned Premiere exclusively for this, then I might. But you still gotta give him props for doing something productive.

Personally, I don't think LoK's problems could be solved in editing.
They'd need to Evangelion that bitch to fix it.

Legend of Korra 1.11 You can (not) airbend
>> No. 117074
>>117071
I'm starting to suspect nearly all of /co/ may have autism from what I've observed and from what I observed last night in a thread where some guy pulled up the famous "Doctor" shtick which nine times out of ten exposes someone to be an autist.
>> No. 117085
>Cut out the fight between Korra and Amon on Avatar Island
Bad idea.

>Cut pretty much all of Ep. 5
Bad idea.

>Cut out the part where Korra destroys the ancient Air Bender artifact
>Cut out anything that makes Bolin look like a bitch (Like when he cries after seeing Korra and Mako together)

>I don't like when a character does something I don't like so I'm going to pretend it never happened like a five year old

So basically he's just re-imagining LOK into his "ideal" of what it should be by cutting out the parts that don't mesh with his headcanon. What a mature fandom this is.
>> No. 117086
>>117085
Yeah, I don't think you can do that much in editing that could make season 1 any better.
Actually you'd have to add loads of scenes, because it was lacking connective elements and a better characterization for cast and conflict.

If I were to make a movie, I'd probably shave off most of the Probending and lovetriangles in favour of giving the Equalist conflict some depth. But like I said, those scenes don't exist in the first place.
>> No. 117088
>>117086
There's also the problem that the parts he wants to remove contain some pretty important moments and are really not THAT detrimental to the series overall.

Like what's the point of taking out Korra destroying the airbending panels? Because she's TOO impatient and brash for this guy to handle, so he has to cut out moments that define this side of her character?

And Amon and Korra's fight on the island? Yeah, way to erase an important part of Korra's development in favor of trying to make Amon seem smarter than he really was.

The love triangle is whatever, the only real bad part about it was Mako's character suffered for it (Asami practically has no character and that isn't the love triangle's fault), but episode 5 was about more than just that and Bolin crying.
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117091
>>117071

This. A massive and/or comprehensive rewrite is something I can get behind. Editing the cartoon can only improve it so far. Evangelion 1.11-ing Korra is a hueg pipedream.

Speaking of rewrites... Does anybody have any fanfics that are basically giant rewrites of Korra? I haven't delved into any fanfiction databases since.. since sometime before the Book 3 finale way back when.
>> No. 117092
>>117091
Most "rewrites" I've seen are LOK have been incredibly shitty and basically read like the author rewriting the show to fit their own headcanon, it'd be nice if there were ones where Korra doesn't inexplicably fall in love with Asami and Amon is actually Jesus incarnate or something.
>> No. 117096
>>117088
How did Amon's confrontation affect his intelligence in any way?
Hell, he wanted to get into the head of the Avatar and he did it. He also brought backup with him.
This doesn't display him as a retard.
>> No. 117098
>>117096
The most common complaint I hear about that scene is that Amon was stupid to not take Korra's bending away then and there.
>> No. 117099
>>117098
Isn't letting the protagonist escape/live/be-intimidated/get-setbacked/etc... what a whole bunch of antagonists do? Isn't that their schtick?

Heck isn't that what a whole bunch of protagonists do to their antagonists?

>>117091
Most rewrites I was monitoring have either died due to lack of interest from the authors. The only stories that seem to survive are AUs and people who want to see Mako procreate or engage in acts that would normally lead to procreation.
>> No. 117100
>>117098
Well, then, they're stupid. Plain and simple.
>> No. 117174
>>117091
We had a thread early on that was a lot of fun after Season 1.
>cut out Probending completely in favour of having the characters bond through adventures in Republic City
>make Mako interesting by delving a little into his Triad connections
>bring Asami in as Korra's friend before there's a lovetriangle
>emphasize character interaction that isn't centred around Korra alone

That was a really fun read.
>> No. 117175
>>117174
Personally, I still think it's a better idea to tie pro-bending into the brother's association with the Triads.

Replace the love triangle bit around the finale with the Triads offering Bolin or Mako a shit ton of cash to throw the match, and it would be far mroe interesting.
>> No. 117176
>>117174
Probending has such a small presence except like, in episode 6, getting rid of it is pointless. To me cutting it out just sounds like, "I didn't like it so it has to go".
>> No. 117178
>>117176
Apart from the fact that we spend 70% of the first season in the fucking arena and the rest on Airbender Island or the Council room?

We barely saw Republic City. I'd loose Probending in a minute, if it meant actual adventures in an urban setting.
>> No. 117179
>>117178
>Apart from the fact that we spend 70% of the first season
We do not.

Episode 1: No probending, we get to see RC from Korra just exploring it.

Episode 2: Probending, but the episode was more about Tenzin and Korra's relationship. Probably took up only a little more than five minutes of screentime total.

Episode 3: Korra is at practice in the beginning but that's it, there's no probending for the rest of the episode, Korra and Mako explore RC together.

Episode 4: No probending, we just see Mako and Bolin in the gym. More exploring of RC with Korra.

Episode 5: Arguably the only episode you can say is actually about probending, but I think it's more about Korra's relationship with Mako and Bolin. And again, we get to see RC on Korra and Bolin's date.

Episode 6: WAY more about Amon and the Equalists than it was probending.

>We barely saw Republic City. I'd loose Probending in a minute, if it meant actual adventures in an urban setting.
Episodes 1, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9?
>> No. 117180
>>117179
Name one of those great colorful locations then.

Almost every major event took place at the Arena for some reason.
I guess we spent some time in a few basements.
Oh and Korra always came back to the Airtemple to mope around.

That big vibrant metropolis that was Republic City sure got explored, eh?

The truth is we saw every nook and cranny of that fucking stadium, but you are lying if you claim we got a feeling for the city as a whole.

Maybe it was a budget thing, I remember that a lot of the backgrounds looked pretty rough.
>> No. 117181
>>117088
Given that Korra doesn't learn anything from fighting Amon or after destroying the airbending device you may as well cut both of them as their absence won't affect the main plot. These things would only have meaning if Korra learned from her failures that she needed to be patient.

>>117179
In a twelve episode series, which is meant to be about the relationship between benders and non-benders, spending 6 of these episodes focusing on probending or training for probending is a waste of time. Especially when probending's only purpose is to give Amon somewhere to show off his powers.

I say reduce probending to 3 episodes and spend more time focusing on the relationships between benders and non-benders.
>> No. 117182
>>117180
I'm not denying that the city could use more exploration, but saying we didn't see ANY of it and 70% of the season was taken up by a sport is ridiculous.

>the park
>city hall
>kwong's cuisine
>harmony tower
>the police station
>the underground tunnels in episode 9
>aang's memorial island
>dragon flats
>future industries
>sato manor

I feel like when people say, "we never get to see Republic City" they're saying "we want more 1920s-themed scenarios" which is a reasonable demand but stop acting like Bryke acted like the rest of RC didn't exist. We even got a few new locations in book 2. They aren't going to give it all away upfront.

>>117181
>Given that Korra doesn't learn anything from fighting Amon or after destroying the airbending device you may as well cut both of them as their absence won't affect the main plot.
Okay I'm used to people denying Korra learned and developed, but this is just stupid. Korra destroying the panels wasn't meant to show that she learned anything (what kind of assessment is that?), it was to show how impatient she was and how she struggled with traditional airbending philosophy and to escalate tensions between her and Tenzin. The lesson of the episode was that both Tenzin and Korra were right but more importantly Korra had realized what Tenzin had said about the movements 'clicking' with her and that her training was going to take time.

Episode 4 was about Korra not forcing herself to get involved in a situation if she felt like she wasn't ready for it, but because she was afraid of being seen as weak she does something brash like challenging Amon publicly and then going to the island by herself which would have cost her her bending if he wasn't worried about making Korra looking like a martyr. That's why she quits the taskforce team and doesn't worry about Amon for a few episodes.

>I say reduce probending to 3 episodes and spend more time focusing on the relationships between benders and non-benders.
I'm confused about this because I don't think there's enough probending content to make up three episodes. Even when it played a bigger role in an episode it shared the spotlight with something else (Mako, Bolin and Korra's love triangle drama, Amon attacking the stadium). They could arguably fit it all in ONE episode, but that would be dumb.
>> No. 117183
>>117182
>Korra destroying the panels wasn't meant to show that she learned anything (what kind of assessment is that?), it was to show how impatient she was and how she struggled with traditional airbending philosophy and to escalate tensions between her and Tenzin.

Firstly the panels were to teach Korra how to dodge an opponent using airbending, so they were there to teach Korra something.

Secondly by failing to figure out how to get past these panels, other by destroying them, Korra showed that she's isn't able to learn even after being shown what she was meant to be doing.

Thirdly Korra's impatience had had already been shown when she left the South Pole because she wanted to learn airbending and was unable to concentrate while meditating. So even if this scene was cut the viewer would still know that Korra is impatient.

Fourthly what was the result of Korra's failure? Since Tenzin didn't punish Korra and Korra didn't resolve to try harder then end result is that it had no influence on the plot or any of the characters.

In conclusion this scene had no influence on anything later in the plot and didn't show the viewer anything new about Korra. So it can be cut without causing any problems.

>The lesson of the episode was that both Tenzin and Korra were right but more importantly Korra had realized what Tenzin had said about the movements 'clicking' with her and that her training was going to take time.

How was Korra right when destroyed something for no real reason and didn't even try to perform any of her tasks or training correctly?

Also Korra's realisation was something that was thrown in at the last minute for plot convenience. Basically Korra can't do the task correctly, does no training, then is just suddenly able to use this technique to win a match.

If the episode had been about Korra not wanting to learn this technique because she didn't consider it useful, then finding a use for it the overall plot would have been much better.

>Episode 4 was about Korra not forcing herself to get involved in a situation if she felt like she wasn't ready for it, but because she was afraid of being seen as weak she does something brash like challenging Amon publicly and then going to the island by herself which would have cost her her bending if he wasn't worried about making Korra looking like a martyr.

Korra did feel like she was ready for it because she challenged Amon to a fight. Also she challenged Amon because she was impatient, not because she was worried about being seen as weak (seriously who was claiming that Korra would be weak if she didn't fight Amon immediately).

If the fight had actually resulted in Korra losing her bending then it would have had an impact on the story. Instead we got Amon beating Korra and leaving, then Korra not doing anything to help her win the next time they fought. So it was one more thing that happened, then was immediately forgotten about.

>That's why she quits the taskforce team and doesn't worry about Amon for a few episodes.

Korra quit the taskforce because they arrested her friends and started punishing non-benders.

If Korra wasn't worrying about Amon, someone who beat her in combat, then this makes her entire encounter with Amon meaningless. If Korra has resolved to train harder then this would have had an effect on the story, however once again we have an even that's forgotten by the next episode.

>I'm confused about this because I don't think there's enough probending content to make up three episodes. Even when it played a bigger role in an episode it shared the spotlight with something else (Mako, Bolin and Korra's love triangle drama, Amon attacking the stadium). They could arguably fit it all in ONE episode, but that would be dumb.

I'm saying that by episode 3 the pro-bending tournament should be over (including Amon's attack during a match). This would leave 9 episodes to explore the central concept of benders vs non-benders.

Also cut the love triangle drama.
>> No. 117184
>>117183

>Firstly the panels were to teach Korra how to dodge an opponent using airbending, so they were there to teach Korra something.

Maybe not defeat an opponent, but to show the basic footwork and movements of Airbending, yes.

>Secondly by failing to figure out how to get past these panels, other by destroying them, Korra showed that she's isn't able to learn even after being shown what she was meant to be doing.

Yeah, because she wasn't in the right mindset. Tenzin didn't know how to deal with Korra and he himself lost his patience as well. Seriously, that was the reason they apologized to each other later. He might as well have written a letter to Princess Celestia, it was that obvious.

>Thirdly Korra's impatience had had already been shown when she left the South Pole because she wanted to learn airbending and was unable to concentrate while meditating. So even if this scene was cut the viewer would still know that Korra is impatient.

But then we don't get to see Tenzin losing his cool.

>Fourthly what was the result of Korra's failure? Since Tenzin didn't punish Korra and Korra didn't resolve to try harder then end result is that it had no influence on the plot or any of the characters.

She masters the panel training later, though, after approaching it from a different mindset and Tenzin learning how to accommodate that. That was the whole point, you can't say she didn't learn anything from what she was being shown when it's actually in the damn show.

>In conclusion this scene had no influence on anything later in the plot and didn't show the viewer anything new about Korra. So it can be cut without causing any problems.

"In conclusion?" Really?

Whatever. Point is, this was the first time Korra got the chance to have some humble pie, realize her mistakes, and apologize to Tenzin, as well as Tenzin being shown to have his own flaws, it's not as simple as "Korra broke things therefore Korra dumb, cut scene."

>Also Korra's realisation was something that was thrown in at the last minute for plot convenience. Basically Korra can't do the task correctly, does no training, then is just suddenly able to use this technique to win a match.

>If the episode had been about Korra not wanting to learn this technique because she didn't consider it useful, then finding a use for it the overall plot would have been much better.

One, why wouldn't she consider the basics of Airbending, as taught by its' last living master, son of Avatar Aang, useful? Two, didn't she already do that, by yelling at Tenzin that she needed to learn modern styles of fighting? Right before finding a way to apply it in Pro-Bending, for that matter.

>Korra did feel like she was ready for it because she challenged Amon to a fight. Also she challenged Amon because she was impatient, not because she was worried about being seen as weak (seriously who was claiming that Korra would be weak if she didn't fight Amon immediately).

Dude, Tarrlok goaded her into it and then the reporter made it worse, it was obvious as hell.

>If the fight had actually resulted in Korra losing her bending then it would have had an impact on the story. Instead we got Amon beating Korra and leaving, then Korra not doing anything to help her win the next time they fought. So it was one more thing that happened, then was immediately forgotten about.

She never tired to take on the Equalists alone, did she? The whole encounter scared the shit out of her, and just the idea that he could take her bending was with her until the end of the season.

>Korra quit the taskforce because they arrested her friends and started punishing non-benders.

That was four whole episodes later, after the Pro-Bending Finals, dumbshit.

>If Korra wasn't worrying about Amon, someone who beat her in combat, then this makes her entire encounter with Amon meaningless. If Korra has resolved to train harder then this would have had an effect on the story, however once again we have an even that's forgotten by the next episode.

She quit the taskforce over what happened to her on the island, It's literally her reason. We're told as such. All the training in the world wouldn't have helped her against being alone on an island surrounded by enemies laying in wait for an ambush that she walked in to willingly. That why she stopped doing that, she learned her lesson.

>I'm saying that by episode 3 the pro-bending tournament should be over (including Amon's attack during a match). This would leave 9 episodes to explore the central concept of benders vs non-benders.

This one's more an opinion, no real room for debate or arguing, would have been a different show that way, but I guess that's the point.

>Also cut the love triangle drama.

Nnnngh...semi-agree with this one, but that's a little more because I shipped Bolin and Korra, but they are teenagers in an unfamiliar situation, so it's not like it's totally inconceivable that something like the love triangle happened in the first place.
>> No. 117185
>>117183
Holy shit this is a clusterfuck.

First of all, I again say, Korra DESTROYING. THE. PANELS. is the important part and no, you can't take them out because she expressed impatience earlier and she's only allowed to have one act of impatience per episode. It DOES show something new about her, compared to all of the other times when she showed a lack of patience.

Her outburst was the culmination of days of training with no results and her frustration with that. It was meant to show how BADLY Korra was taking it all and how she really struggled with the idea of 'taking it slowly'. Compared to her leaving the South Pole and helping the merchant, this was a whole other level of impatience. It also, as Sharkman pointed out, also showed how frustrating this was for Tenzin.

The "result" of Korra's failure is that she finally said screw it to Tenzin's curfew and went to the pro-bending arena and finally had her big epiphany where airbending started clicking for her and Tenzin realized that she was right about the style helping her. And then later, when they meet up back on the island, she says, "I'll see you bright and early tomorrow morning for airbending practice!" so no, your argument about how she doesn't learn anything falls apart here. Never mind in episodes 3 and 4 you see Korra airbending training.

Her realization was not thrown in at the last second for "convenience", either, it makes perfect sense that a style that emphasizes speed would work more for Korra than traditional techniques would. I don't know where you're getting this from, you think Bryke wrote themselves into a corner when it's already been established that Korra is the type of character who prefers action over inaction and quick results? Shit, go back and rewatch her firebending training.

If you think the only way Korra could have learned a lesson was from having her punished, you're either watching this show wrong or you have some sort of issue with Korra herself.

As for episode 4... I really think you need to rewatch it because you're getting it ALL wrong. Korra's fear of Amon is established in the beginning of the episode with her nightmare. The man terrifies her. If she was so eager to fight him, why didn't she take Tarrlok's offer to join the taskforce right away? Why did she refuse even after all of the gifts he gave her? Why did she only accept when Tarrlok had gotten her out in public in front of a crowd of people asking her why she hadn't done anything? Korra was afraid to show weakness, but she was also afraid of Amon. She chose to try and mask her fear of him so she wouldn't come off ask weak.

>then Korra not doing anything to help her win the next time they fought
The whole point of the episode was that Korra should not force herself into a fight if she's not ready for it. It was a lesson in patience, not a lesson in how to fight Amon. Where did you get that idea from?

>Korra quit the taskforce because they arrested her friends and started punishing non-benders
No she didn't, Tarrlok asks at the beginning of the episode (when he had taken over the police force) when Korra is coming back to the taskforce and she tells him to screw off.

>I'm saying that by episode 3 the pro-bending tournament should be over
Mako and Bolin were introduced in the second episode and you just want the tournament to be done and over with by the next one? Never mind that again you seem to be thinking episodes 2-6 were ALL about probending and you just want it out of the way so we can get to the plot, which is stupid. Never mind we needed the time before the tournament to introduce Amon and establish Korra's fear of him.
>> No. 117193
>>117184
>She masters the panel training later, though, after approaching it from a different mindset and Tenzin learning how to accommodate that. That was the whole point, you can't say she didn't learn anything from what she was being shown when it's actually in the damn show.

Korra suddenly going from inept to master simply because she needed to use this skill was an asspull.

>Point is, this was the first time Korra got the chance to have some humble pie, realize her mistakes, and apologize to Tenzin, as well as Tenzin being shown to have his own flaws, it's not as simple as "Korra broke things therefore Korra dumb, cut scene."

The problem is that Korra never realised her mistakes, ate humble pie, or apologized to Tenzin so it doesn't do any of those things. Also Tenzin's flaws are shown in other scenes.

>One, why wouldn't she consider the basics of Airbending, as taught by its' last living master, son of Avatar Aang, useful?

I'm saying she wouldn't consider dodging useful because it's not a combat skill.

>Two, didn't she already do that, by yelling at Tenzin that she needed to learn modern styles of fighting?

Where these modern styles ever shown to be better than any other style? In any case since probending doesn't use airbending these styles aren't going to help Korra learn airbending.

>Dude, Tarrlok goaded her into it and then the reporter made it worse, it was obvious as hell.

No Korra was goaded into joining the task force, not to fight Amon.

>She never tired to take on the Equalists alone, did she? The whole encounter scared the shit out of her, and just the idea that he could take her bending was with her until the end of the season.

Korra always fought the Equalists with her friends, even when Amon wasn't with them and there was no danger of her bending being removed. Also after the first fight with Amon Korra wasn't shown being afraid of losing her bending until Amon was about to remove it in the last episode.

>That was four whole episodes later, after the Pro-Bending Finals, dumbshit.

Try watching the episodes. After Amon blows up the probending arena Tarrlok starts clamping down on non-benders in the nest episodes. Korra then quits the task force.

>She quit the taskforce over what happened to her on the island, It's literally her reason.

Korra states that she wants to take a break from the task force to train for her probending match.

>All the training in the world wouldn't have helped her against being alone on an island surrounded by enemies laying in wait for an ambush that she walked in to willingly. That why she stopped doing that, she learned her lesson.

No she didn't, which is why Korra decides to walk into Tarrlok's office by herself even though it could have been filled with enemies laying in wait.

>>117185
>The "result" of Korra's failure is that she finally said screw it to Tenzin's curfew and went to the pro-bending arena and finally had her big epiphany where airbending started clicking for her and Tenzin realized that she was right about the style helping her. And then later, when they meet up back on the island, she says, "I'll see you bright and early tomorrow morning for airbending practice!" so no, your argument about how she doesn't learn anything falls apart here. Never mind in episodes 3 and 4 you see Korra airbending training.

Firstly going from being unable to do something to mastering it because the character just happens to need to use this skills is an asspull.

Secondly how was Tenzin's teaching style changed by what he saw? If there's no clear link between what Tenzin saw and how he modified his training then you can cut the entire scene because it isn't having a clear influence on the plot. Seriously try watching Kung Fu Panda where Shifu is actually shown modifying his training to help Po.

In your head cannon it might be an important scene but in the show this scene happens and is never referred to again in a later episode. So it can be cut without influencing anything.

>Her realization was not thrown in at the last second for "convenience", either

Korra is probending, Korra is in trouble, Korra suddenly gains the ability to dodge attacks despite not being to dodge these attacks all episode. This is a prime example of Korra suddenly gaining an ability because the plot requires that she has this skill.

>If you think the only way Korra could have learned a lesson was from having her punished, you're either watching this show wrong or you have some sort of issue with Korra herself.

It's called writing 101; basically a character does something wrong/stupid/hastily, suffers a penalty, and learns a lesson. For example Aang trying to copy a firebending trick he saw, ends up burning Katara, and learning that he needs to be more patient/disciplined.

>The whole point of the episode was that Korra should not force herself into a fight if she's not ready for it. It was a lesson in patience, not a lesson in how to fight Amon. Where did you get that idea from?

After losing a fight to Amon Korra has 3 options:

1) Train so she'll win the next fight.
2) Lose the next fight and her bending.
3) Run away.

So if Korra doesn't want to lose the next fight against Amon or to leave Republic City her only option is to train. Yet in the story she's never shown preparing for the next battle, so this fight effectively had no impact on how Korra acted in the rest of the show. Thus if you cut this fight and the nightmare the next episode it won't effect the overall plot.

>Never mind that again you seem to be thinking episodes 2-6 were ALL about probending and you just want it out of the way so we can get to the plot, which is stupid.

How exactly is wanting to cut pointless episodes to get to the main plot stupid?

>Never mind we needed the time before the tournament to introduce Amon and establish Korra's fear of him.

Why not introduce Amon during his attack on the probending match and have Korra fear Amon after she fails to stop him? Basically combine Korra's first fight with Amon and the attack on the probending arena.


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