>>116898
That's pretty good. I have to admit that you make a load of vital points.
But as always with Korra, it just sorta falls apart at the end.
The idea of her both being pressures and relying too much on her legacy, didn't come up enough to be a convincing character arc.
Rather it seemed like she wanted to live up to her own idea of what a good Avatar should be, which gets pretty much abandoned when she turns into a warmonger. Then she has amnesia, then she apologizes for being a dick, then she learns a lesson in kindness and compassion from Iroh, then she loses everything. But wait, the power was in her all along. Captain Planet! Then she thinks the bad guy might have had a point (on a topic she had no opinion to begin with) and then she holds a speech. The End.

The Avatar spirit and all previous lives being destroyed didn't really free her of that or leave her helpless and blind.
She never relied on their advice or guidance. None of them made decisions for her. She was characterized as a wildcard, that did as she pleased from day one.
>I'm the Avatar. You gotta deal with it.

And in the end, what's the lesson learned? What's the milestone?
Once again she solves a problem inherited from her previous lives.
And will likely continue to do so, because they ain't going nowhere.
She isn't free to fulfil the destiny she chose, because her role is pretty strictly defined since birth.

Plus they open up 5 or 6 different cans of worms along the way and leave me with literally no idea.
It's not that LoK doesn't have themes. It just can't stick to one!

>>116904
Plus Tenzin was the only one dogging her to live up to her legacy to begin with. She told him to fuck off, then apologized, then he apologized. But if she had listened to him, most of that shit could have been avoided. Plus I'd hold a bit of a grudge over her loosing my underage daughter in the land of rape-happy spirits.

God, I don't know.

Here's your lesson.

>>116904

I got the impression that in season one she seemed to feel that because she was the Avatar, she had the responsiblity to do SOMETHING regarding a crisis, even if she's neither prepared for it nor understands what's going on that well.

Hence her going to attack Amon head-on, thinking that she'd win because she's the Avatar even though he scared her so much.

Hence why she feels that teaming up with her uncle is a good idea, to begin with at least, because all of Aang's and her previous spiritual advisors were good people, and he was having to rely on his take on the situation.

The problem with Korra is that she's someone who had utter moral authority by virtue of being, well, the avatar of the goddess of order and light... but due to her upbringing isn't exactly worldly. Hence her gravitating towards people who appear to know what's up, even if they end up trying to use her for their own means.

In season one she's grown up knowing she's the Avatar, living in a world forever changed by her predecessor's accomplishments, getting training from the immediate family of Aang etc. So when people ask her to do something, how can she NOT feel a tremenous amount of pressure to act, even if she's not necessarily the best decision?

In season two this indecisiveness carries on, with her hard won victories in the previous season going to her head making her feel that she's more capable than she actually is. She's the Avatar, but she still "has a lot to learn" still. Thus when her Uncle shows up with a useful skillset that none of her previous mentors had she ends up gravitating towards him.

The problem increases when you realise that she's really only gauging things in regards to Aang and her accomplishments. She's the Avatar, which means she must always be right... even if she doesn't have enough information to determine what Right is, leading to some poor decisions.

Effectively, up until the Wan episodes, she's making decisions as the world's Higher Authority without having the wisdom to back herself up. Yes, to the audience her uncle is clearly up to something, but to Korra she's family and it's only when he betrays her and her immediate family that she's turns from him for good. With the revelation of the original Avatar, Korra is centred and given an actual idea of what the legacy of the Avatars actually is.

She learns that she's not JUST a superpowerful bender. Not JUST a means to create stablity in a political sense (even if the people she's working for have some sketchy ideas of what social "balance" is). Not JUST a superhero.

She learns that she has a responsiblity to herself, Raava, the world and more to use her power wisely. To not pick sides unless the world is at stake. She has to use her power tempered with wisdom, rather than as a blunt instrument.

That is the legacy of the Avatars, people who can use tremenous power while attempting to take the rest of the world into consideration while doing so. The revelation of Wan gives Korra and perspective to get a clearer idea of what her role as the Avatar is, and in turn allows her to start making the right kinds of decisions, ones beyond simply "he's a terrorist, so he's wrong" or "my uncle is a religious fundementalist who tried to have his own brother exiled".

She's still got a ways to go, but I at least think that she's slowly undergoing character development as the series progresses. Due to both the legacy of the previous Avatars and the new line she herself is beginning, she's got to learn to be the Higher Authority her position demands she should be for her era.

>>116925
How exactly did Korra not end up with a worldly education when the White Lotus (made up from people from all over the world) oversaw her training? Also why didn't they teach Korra how to respond when people ask her to do things?

It's possible that the White Lotus did try to give Korra an education but she ignored anything that didn't try to improve her bending. However given that Korra never makes any reference to any advice she's been given in the past and never seeks out their advice so this seems unlikely. So we have an odd situation where the White Lotus only taught Korra about her bending but not about what it means to be the Avatar. Thus either the White Lotus is massively inept or Bryke didn't think Korra's back story through.

Given that Korra doesn't gain any wisdom during the Wan arc (at best she learns what her uncle is trying to do) she's still going to have the same problems because she hasn't learned how to make decisions when she doesn't have all the information.

Korra's uncle told her to remain neutral long before Korra met Raava, so he should be the one getting the credit for this.

How does Wan's arc give Korra any insight into what her role as the avatar is? What Wan did (trying to prevent wars) is what every Avatar has been doing, something Korra would already know if she'd studied any other Avatar.

Having Korra watch a vision and suddenly learn what it means to be an Avatar is a cop-out. A better way would involving having Korra learn from the mistakes she made in seasons 1 and 2; such as not blindly trusting new people while ignoring the advice of those who have helped her in the past.

>>116949

>How exactly did Korra not end up with a worldly education when the White Lotus (made up from people from all over the world) oversaw her training? Also why didn't they teach Korra how to respond when people ask her to do things?

From what we know? By only ever being taught bending and never being allowed to leave the training compound. The White Lotus of A:tLA's time were old masters from all over the world and all three nations, these guys seem to be people who have all joined within the last few years and may have a different scope and different values since even the oldest among them would have been children during the Century War, if they were even born during the war at all.

>Given that Korra doesn't gain any wisdom during the Wan arc (at best she learns what her uncle is trying to do) she's still going to have the same problems because she hasn't learned how to make decisions when she doesn't have all the information.

>How does Wan's arc give Korra any insight into what her role as the avatar is? What Wan did (trying to prevent wars) is what every Avatar has been doing, something Korra would already know if she'd studied any other Avatar.

>Having Korra watch a vision and suddenly learn what it means to be an Avatar is a cop-out. A better way would involving having Korra learn from the mistakes she made in seasons 1 and 2; such as not blindly trusting new people while ignoring the advice of those who have helped her in the past.

Wan's fuck-ups nearly destroyed the world then, just like Korra's mistakes cost her dearly during her time. She didn't see a perfect man become the Avatar, she saw a fairly normal dude screw up a whole lot causing a lot of pain and death as a result before finally coming back and correcting his mistakes, even if he ultimately failed in his lifelong mission.

The next season is about change and what the world is like now that spirits and humans can intermingle. We don't know who Korra's antagonist is going to be, a specific person or a group or maybe they decided to really take a risk and have her take on some some social institutional thing or a general concept.

>>116949
> such as not blindly trusting new people
She didn't blindly trust anyone in book 1, Tarrlok cornered her and basically made her join his taskforce. Korra was obviously 100% aware of that the entire time.

>How exactly did Korra not end up with a worldly education when the White Lotus (made up from people from all over the world) oversaw her training?
Because being spiritual is not something you can just learn like in a class or training session, and as it was pointed out above, she wasn't allowed to leave the compound and travel the world and as we found out in book 2 that part is vital in developing an Avatar's spiritual side.

Actually I take that back, that shit was explained all the way back in ATLA when Aang asked Yangchen why the Avatar can't just live on a mountain isolated from humans.

They taught her bending and enough about being the Avatar in vague terms that she a) defined herself entirely by the role (hence her massive depression when Amon depowered her, he didn't just take away most of her bending, he effectively took her identity away), b) developed a colossal ego to go with it.

Aang, despite being only 12 at the beginning of Airbender, had always mingled with people his own age. Be they other Air Nomads at the temples, or people from other cultures he met while travelling the world either with his people or with his group during the actual series.

With Korra she was effectively sent to boarding school when she was four, was prevented from interacting with others her own age or doing the world travelling that was shown to be part of being the Avatar by her overprotective dad and Tenzin.

This resulted in... a lot of Korra's less popular character traits. Some of them are a result of her upbringing (her accidentally messing with Bolin's feelings for example, whether she even knew he felt about her in that way or thought he was just being friendly, for example), while overs just developed on their own. Like her superiority complex due to being the Avatar and the role's associated Legacy.

Korra probably spent most of her childhood being raised by much older people, guarded from the outside world, taught to fight, and being told that she was the most important person in the world. Oh, and if you're not good at something, Katara will just push it to the corner and you can just learn it later, 'cause she's oh so unbiased in this situation.

Her upbringing kind of messed her up in a lot of regards. Making the mockery people had towards her for "loosing three of her four superpowers" at the end of season one kind of awkward. As well as the anger amongst some of the fandom towards her lashing out at her dad and Tenzin at the beginning of season two. They thought that they were acting in her best interest, but effectively stunted both her emotional growth and her development as the Avatar as a result of their desire to keep her isolated and protected from harm.

>>116953

>From what we know? By only ever being taught bending and never being allowed to leave the training compound. The White Lotus of A:tLA's time were old masters from all over the world and all three nations, these guys seem to be people who have all joined within the last few years and may have a different scope and different values since even the oldest among them would have been children during the Century War, if they were even born during the war at all.

And why exactly would the White Lotus only train Korra to use her powers but never give her any guidance as to what she should do with them? Unless they were expecting Korra to live in the training compound her entire life you'd think they would have tried to instil some sense of morality into her or told her about her past lives.

I suspect that Bryke didn't think through how the White Lotus would train Korra.

> She didn't see a perfect man become the Avatar, she saw a fairly normal dude screw up a whole lot causing a lot of pain and death as a result before finally coming back and correcting his mistakes, even if he ultimately failed in his lifelong mission.

And the lessons she learned was what? That every Avatar makes mistakes? Something she already knew because she'd made mistakes in the past.

You said that Wan's past taught Korra to use her powers wisely yet you never explained how exactly anything Korra saw would have taught her this lesson. She already knew not to trust some people because she'd been betrayed several times.

>Because being spiritual is not something you can just learn like in a class or training session, and as it was pointed out above, she wasn't allowed to leave the compound and travel the world and as we found out in book 2 that part is vital in developing an Avatar's spiritual side.

In book 1 Korra couldn't airbend or connect with the Avatar state because she couldn't connect to her spiritual side. By the end of book 1 she could do both because she'd trained her spiritual side, something that didn't involves training throughout the world.

How is travelling the world meant to train Korra's spiritual side? It can't be to meet people from all of the world because the White Lotus and Republic City are made up of people from all over the world. Did Roku have to travel all over the world to become more spiritual?

Also when in book 2 did Korra train her spiritual side by travelling all around the world?

>They taught her bending and enough about being the Avatar in vague terms that she a) defined herself entirely by the role (hence her massive depression when Amon depowered her, he didn't just take away most of her bending, he effectively took her identity away), b) developed a colossal ego to go with it.

And why exactly did they teach Korra to be an ego maniac? Wouldn't it have been better to teach Korra to be more humble or how to use her powers to benefit other?

Again the whole problem with your interpretation is that you can't provide a reason as to why the White Lotus would have trained Korra this way. Seriously did they never think to tell Korra about any of the other Avatars and did Korra never ask about them? Did they never think that it might be a good idea to teach Korra to use her powers responsibly before teaching her how to fight with 3 different elements?

>With Korra she was effectively sent to boarding school when she was four, was prevented from interacting with others her own age or doing the world travelling that was shown to be part of being the Avatar by her overprotective dad and Tenzin.

Roku didn't know he was the Avatar until her was 18, like most other Avatars, so he didn't travel the world either. Odd how no one mentioned to Korra that most Avatars don't travel the world until they're adults.

Also Korra met with plenty of people her own age in Republic City but that didn't make her more spiritual. Nor did she need to travel the world to become more spiritual.

>Korra probably spent most of her childhood being raised by much older people, guarded from the outside world, taught to fight, and being told that she was the most important person in the world.

Again why would the White Lotus teach Korra how to fight but nothing about when to fight or what it means to be the Avatar? Why did they continue to do this when Korra was acted disobediently or arrogantly? Did no one think that making a disobedient, egomaniac even more powerful might be a bad idea?

>Oh, and if you're not good at something, Katara will just push it to the corner and you can just learn it later, 'cause she's oh so unbiased in this situation.

And Katara did this when exactly. In ATLA she gave Toph advice on how to train Aang when he had problems learning earth bending. Most likely she would have encouraged Korra to keep trying.

>Making the mockery people had towards her for "loosing three of her four superpowers" at the end of season one kind of awkward.

I can't recall anyone mocking her. Most people were hoping that losing her powers might make Korra more humble and lead to a new season where she tried to recover them. Then Aang healed her and we got a terrible ending.

>As well as the anger amongst some of the fandom towards her lashing out at her dad and Tenzin at the beginning of season two. They thought that they were acting in her best interest, but effectively stunted both her emotional growth and her development as the Avatar as a result of their desire to keep her isolated and protected from harm.

People disliked this scene because it was only there to add "drama" to the episode. Korra didn't even learn any lessons from it.

Also how were they stunting her emotional growth and her development as the Avatar? You haven't explained why the White Lotus would spend over a decade raising Korra with emotional problems without ever thinking that this might cause problems or trying to change how they raised her.

>>117001
>And why exactly would the White Lotus only train Korra to use her powers but never give her any guidance as to what she should do with them?

Probably because that's really something Korra has to figure out on her own when it comes to the finer details. Like, she was probably told shit like, "you're the Avatar, you use your bending and status to keep the peace", but not told how to handle more grey situations like the Civil War, because when it boils down to it it's really up to her.

>And the lessons she learned was what? That every Avatar makes mistakes? Something she already knew because she'd made mistakes in the past.


That she can mistakes, not always know what to and not always be prepared for things and that's fine, she's a human being first and the Avatar second. She made mistakes, yeah, but that didn't mean she thought it was OKAY for her to make them. By seeing that all of this literally started because the first Avatar made a huge mistake definitely helped her.

>In book 1 Korra couldn't airbend or connect with the Avatar state because she couldn't connect to her spiritual side. By the end of book 1 she could do both because she'd trained her spiritual side, something that didn't involves training throughout the world.

Keep in mind, for the 13 years Korra stayed in that compound she couldn't tap into her spiritual side at all. Then she leaves the compound, she gets out and sees a PART of the world and it only takes, what, three or four months and bam, she tapped into her spiritual side. I think that's a pretty big indication that yes, travelling the world and experiencing new things helps an Avatar's spiritual growth.

Remember what Yangchen said in ATLA? That the Avatar can't be isolated from humanity, that living among people and having the human experience is important to them.

>>117002
>And why exactly did they teach Korra to be an ego maniac? Wouldn't it have been better to teach Korra to be more humble or how to use her powers to benefit other?

For starters, Korra always does her best to use her bending to help other people. I don't know WHERE people get this idea that Korra is selfish, or that Korra doesn't want to use her status to help others. One of the first things she does when she gets to RC is help that shop-keeper. Yeah, she would definitely appreciate praise for doing so, but if I spent 13 years busting my ass to be the Avatar I sure as hell would want an occasional pat on the back too.

Secondly, we don't know enough about what the White Lotus was thinking when they agreed to the idea of putting Korra in the compound, considering now we know it wasn't their idea to do it. If I HAD to guess, I would say they never really cared about Korra as a human being and just wanted to get her training done and over with and had a messed up idea of what would make a good Avatar.

>Roku didn't know he was the Avatar until her was 18, like most other Avatars, so he didn't travel the world either. Odd how no one mentioned to Korra that most Avatars don't travel the world until they're adults.

They find out when they're 16 and yes, he did travel the world, go back and rewatch that episode. We should also assume that most Avatars, unlike Korra and Aang, were not capable of bending the other elements unless they were made aware of who they were before they turned 16.

>Also Korra met with plenty of people her own age in Republic City but that didn't make her more spiritual. Nor did she need to travel the world to become more spiritual.

It's not so much as travelling the world that's important (though I'd still say it's pretty important) as is that Korra needed to experience new things. She had been going through the same shit in the same place for 13 years. She was stagnating.

>Again why would the White Lotus teach Korra how to fight but nothing about when to fight or what it means to be the Avatar? Why did they continue to do this when Korra was acted disobediently or arrogantly? Did no one think that making a disobedient, egomaniac even more powerful might be a bad idea?

1. See my previous comment, literally nobody could tell Korra what it means to be the Avatar (besides maybe her past lives) except for the basic definition of it.

2. Korra, for the most part, is not disobedient.

3. She is not an egomaniac, holy shit.

>People disliked this scene because it was only there to add "drama" to the episode. Korra didn't even learn any lessons from it.

You know, not EVERYTHING Korra does has to be turned into a lesson she has to learn from. Her anger at Tenzin and Tonraq was totally justified.

>>117003

>Probably because that's really something Korra has to figure out on her own when it comes to the finer details. Like, she was probably told shit like, "you're the Avatar, you use your bending and status to keep the peace", but not told how to handle more grey situations like the Civil War, because when it boils down to it it's really up to her.

Again that logic only works if the White Lotus is inept. There's a ton of moral theories regarding how to determine what's right and wrong, so the White Lotus could easily have given Korra advice regarding how to resolve grey areas. They also should have taught Korra when to not get involved with conflicts.

>That she can mistakes, not always know what to and not always be prepared for things and that's fine, she's a human being first and the Avatar second.

Again Korra already knew that she can make mistakes and can't prepare for everything because she's already made mistakes and learned from them, such as when she challenged Amon to a fight in season 1 and lost. Korra already knew that Avatars aren't perfect so she wouldn't have learned this lesson from watching Wan's life.

>Keep in mind, for the 13 years Korra stayed in that compound she couldn't tap into her spiritual side at all. Then she leaves the compound, she gets out and sees a PART of the world and it only takes, what, three or four months and bam, she tapped into her spiritual side.

Korra started getting visions from Aang because he was trying to tell her that Amon was related to Yakon. Korra then discovered this connection by meditating, not by exploring more of Republic City or by researching what happened in the past. So exploring the world has little influence of Korra's spiritual training.

Had Amon come to the South Pole instead of Republic City then Korra would have had the same spiritual awakening without needing to have travelled anywhere. Had Amon not been in Republic City when Korra travelled there then she wouldn't have had any spiritual awakening. Thus it's clear that travelling isn't essential for better spiritual understanding.

>Remember what Yangchen said in ATLA? That the Avatar can't be isolated from humanity, that living among people and having the human experience is important to them.

I do remember that quote from the game set after season 2. I ask remember that Aang's question was why he couldn't be an immortal spirit that lived on a mountain.

In any case Korra wasn't isolated from humanity because she was in contact with the White Lotus, her family, and her bending teachers. She also knew what money was and about the South Pole so Korra has been outside of the compound before.

>>117004

>Secondly, we don't know enough about what the White Lotus was thinking when they agreed to the idea of putting Korra in the compound, considering now we know it wasn't their idea to do it. If I HAD to guess, I would say they never really cared about Korra as a human being and just wanted to get her training done and over with and had a messed up idea of what would make a good Avatar.

Given Aang's and his friends connection to the White Lotus it's unlikely that he would have asked them to treated Korra badly and most likely Aang discussed with the White Lotus how Korra should be trained. I also doubt Katara would have remained silent if she though the White Lotus were treating Korra badly.

It's also clear that they didn't just want to get her training over and done with because they opposed sending her to Republic City, even though the only person who could teach her Airbending was there.

Also if the White Lotus just wanted to train Korra and leave why would they spend 13 years trying to train Korra when Aang mastered water, earth, and fire in a year?

>They find out when they're 16 and yes, he did travel the world, go back and rewatch that episode.

You missed my point. Roku travelled the world after he was 16, so if the White Lotus/Tenzin/Korra's parents didn't let Korra travel the world before she was 16 she hasn't been treated any differently from any other Avatar.

As Korra was 17 at the start of Book one at worst she's missed out on 1 year of travelling the world (assuming that every Avatar started travelling the world the day they found out they were the Avatar).

>We should also assume that most Avatars, unlike Korra and Aang, were not capable of bending the other elements unless they were made aware of who they were before they turned 16.

That doesn't make any sense. The avatar doesn't need someone else to tell them they're the Avatar before they can bend multiple elements.

A more likely explanation would be that they didn't try to bend other elements or there was no one in their country to teach them how to bend other elements. This would give the Avatar a reason to travel the world. Though in Korra's case since the bending teachers came to her she didn't need to travel the world to master all 4 elements.

>1. See my previous comment, literally nobody could tell Korra what it means to be the Avatar (besides maybe her past lives) except for the basic definition of it.

What about a historian who had researched how previous Avatars acted or a philosopher who could teach Korra how to use her powers in a moral way?

Your claim is as nonsensical as it's effectively saying that because only one person at a time knows what it's like to be the fastest man on earth that you can't give them any moral advice on anything.

>2. Korra, for the most part, is not disobedient.

Korra went to Republic City despite being told not to. Korra went to Pro-bending despite being told not to. Korra challenged Amon to a fight despite Tezin telling her this was a bad idea. I could go on. So Korra has a history of not doing what she's been told or not listening to advice.

>3. She is not an egomaniac, holy shit.

Here's a definition of egomaniac:

"Egomania is obsessive preoccupation with one's self and applies to someone who follows their own ungoverned impulses and is possessed by delusions of personal greatness and feels a lack of appreciation."

Give how Korra mainly does what she wants, is mainly driven by her impulses, and often feels that she isn't getting what she wants (such as going somewhere she's never been to get Airbending training after being told to remain in the South Pole) Korra meets 3 out of 4 criteria for being an egomaniac. It's difficult to judge whether she has "delusions of personal greatness" as she is the Avatar.

>You know, not EVERYTHING Korra does has to be turned into a lesson she has to learn from. Her anger at Tenzin and Tonraq was totally justified.

The problem was that Korra should have learned from this because she was manipulated by the villain who not only tricked her into helping him but also turned her against her family and friends. Korra should have learned to control her temper and not make decisions based solely on what she's heard in the last 5 minutes.

Also Korra's anger wasn't justified because at worst she's missed out on one year's travelling. Especially since she's already become spiritual despite missing this year of travelling.

>>117036
>Again that logic only works if the White Lotus is inept.
Yes, that's what a lot of the signs are pointing to. Maybe we'll get a better explanation as to what went wrong with them and how they chose to train Korra in book 3.

>Again Korra already knew that she can make mistakes
She knew but she couldn't ACCEPT that it was okay for her to not be perfect.

>Korra then discovered this connection by meditating, not by exploring more of Republic City
And WHY do you think the meditation worked then? Why wasn't it working back when she first tried it at the beginning of the season? Because between then and Korra being kidnapped, she got out, met new people, experienced new things and grew a little as a person.

>In any case Korra wasn't isolated from humanity
She was isolated from like, 99.9% of it and basically interacted with the same people on a daily basis for 13 years. That is not a good situation for spiritual training.

>Given Aang's and his friends connection to the White Lotus it's unlikely that he would have asked them to treated Korra badly
Well duh, but that doesn't mean they were going to listen to him. He probably didn't say anything specific like, "DON'T lock up my next life in a compound for 13 years" because he probably thought they wouldn't do something so messed up.

It's also, unfortunately, none of Katara's business how Korra is raised and trained. She probably didn't like the idea herself, but she's not Korra's relative or guardian.

>Also if the White Lotus just wanted to train Korra and leave why would they spend 13 years trying to train Korra when Aang mastered water, earth, and fire in a year?
Because Aang was a special case and having to learn to bend all the elements is something a kid, never mind a 4 year old like Korra was when she found out she was the Avatar, should never have to go through. He also didn't master the elements within a year, the show points that out.

>You missed my point. Roku travelled the world after he was 16, so if the White Lotus/Tenzin/Korra's parents didn't let Korra travel the world before she was 16 she hasn't been treated any differently from any other Avatar.
The difference is, past Avatars typically don't find out they're the Avatar (and begin their training) until they're 16. Korra found out when she was 4 and was actually hurling around multiple elements, they couldn't just say, "okay we'll be back when she's 16, good luck" and leave it at that.

>A more likely explanation would be that they didn't try to bend other elements
That is basically what I was trying to say, that was bad wording on my part. They never could bend them because they didn't think they could.

>What about a historian who had researched how previous Avatars acted or a philosopher who could teach Korra how to use her powers in a moral way?
Dude you're being pretty obtuse about this. No duh, Korra could open a history book and read about past Avatars, that's probably what she did. The point I was trying to make is that there was no other human being alive who could truly empathize with Korra's position and talk to her about it. She can ask people for advice, of course, but it's like what happened with Mako and Tenzin -- she's the only one who can really make these decisions.

>Korra went to Republic City despite being told not to. Korra went to Pro-bending despite being told not to.
Well in both of those cases her staying where she was was sure as hell not going to help her, so I think she deserves a pass. She's not disobedient so much as she wants more control over her own life.

And not listening to advice =/= disobedience. Tenzin never once tried to order her to not confront Amon (he did try to persuade her not do it). Korra asks for advice lots of times, especially in book 2.

>The problem was that Korra should have learned from this because she was manipulated by the villain who not only tricked her into helping him but also turned her against her family and friends. Korra should have learned to control her temper and not make decisions based solely on what she's heard in the last 5 minutes.
>Also Korra's anger wasn't justified because at worst she's missed out on one year's travelling. Especially since she's already become spiritual despite missing this year of travelling.
For the last time: Korra did not know Unalaq was a villain. She, like any other normal human being, does not think of their life as a story playing out that someone else is witnessing. We're lead to believe they had a good relationship before book 2, he was cordial with her, offered to help her train and yes, he played on her desire to be respected and trusted by the people around her. Yes, Korra was naive, but this was also her uncle, not some stranger who she just met. I do not blame a 17 year old girl with limited world experience for not realizing her uncle was using her for his own gains.

And yes, her anger was so justified. Her parents, a man she sees as a second father-figure, the white lotus and most likely her other teachers used the name of a man she respected and idolized to keep her locked up for 13 years. They were (at least Tenzin and Tonraq + Senna) doing what they felt was best for her, they didn't want to hurt her, she acknowledges this, but that still doesn't make it okay and that doesn't mean Korra doesn't have a right to be angry at them for it. Not only that, they still tried to tell her what to do AFTER she found out they were responsible for locking her away, without even asking for her input. It wasn't, "Korra, we should talk about why this might be a bad idea", it was "No, Korra's not doing this and that's final".

And I feel like labeling Korra as an egomaniac is pretty insensitive to her, considering her background and how she views herself. She's not obsessed with her self-image because she thinks she's so great, she's obsessed with it because it's all she has. She follows her own impulses not because she thinks her decisions take priority over everyone else's, it's because she's spent most of her life following other people's orders. She doesn't think she deserves appreciation for no reason, she thinks she does (or she at least would like it) because she's fully thrown herself into her role as the Avatar.

Like your example, she doesn't go Republic City because she thinks "screw you guys, I'm so great and always right", she goes so she can LEARN and fulfill her duty as the Avatar.

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Makes sense. I do feel that something that a lot of people seem to forget that to the characters in a story what's happening isn't a story to THEM. As you said, a lot of people complained about her uncle being obviously evil, even though Korra was shown to have known him and her cousins for years and was at least cordial with them for the most part.